Carlton Supporters Club

Perhaps after today we should realise we're closer to being a wooden spoon club than finalist. From here where do we think we'll finish, closer to 8th or 18th?

This is what happens when you do not go through a proper process in appointing the important, critically important position of senior coach of a leading sporting organisation. And that is on Liddle. Appointed popular as opposed to best.

Well, Sayers, are you another in the continuum of impotent Presidents of the CFC over our recent history, or do you know what it takes to be gladiatorial, and lead gladiators to a premiership?

Perhaps after today we should realise we're closer to being a wooden spoon club than finalist. From here where do we think we'll finish, closer to 8th or 18th?

This is what happens when you do not go through a proper process in appointing the important, critically important position of senior coach of a leading sporting organisation. And that is on Liddle. Appointed popular as opposed to best.

Well, Sayers, are you another in the continuum of impotent Presidents of the CFC over our recent history, or do you know what it takes to be gladiatorial, and lead gladiators to a premiership?

The team that has been on top all year (albeit not after tonight) is the same team that has struggled for the past couple of years.

You know what the difference is this year? They haven't been cruelled by injuries!

FFS people can hope and want all they want, but without players available what do you expect?

Someone posted earlier that you can't be 5% off in todays game, well we are 33% off in terms of players available to us and we expect to NOT be 5% off in output? Gimme a break. We were 0% in terms of KPFs available to us.

Eddie Maguire has been saying it for years, Injuries are not an excuse.....they are a reason!

The reason we are losing is because we cannot field a competitve lineup each week at the moment. You might be able to get away with it some weeks. But you simply cannot get away with it every week.

Look at the all conquering tigers. Listen to the media talk about their form being down due to the injuries they've had. We have had 50% more injuries than them for the past couple of months at least. Its a reason for them, but we have it worse and we should sack the coach?!

I knew this kind of reaction would come today which is why i made it pretty clear in the pre-game that we were screwed.
If you look at it logically, you can be disappointed, but understanding.
If you look at it emotionally you are simply in a rage and want blood.

Too many in the latter category......and have been for decades. Not enough in the first category. Stick by the coach and ride out the bumps.
We need to stop looking in the rear view mirror of the past 20 years and look ahead to next week. You might actually see the pot holes coming and be able to brace for them instead of losing your $hit when you spill your coffee in your lap because you're oblivious to whats ahead.

Would it have made a difference? Hasn't so far in 20 years. Player motivation comes from within and only peer pressure will drive it. Coach can only encourage. Teague has actually the 2nd best record here by far (low bar admittedly but some bigger names have gone worse). The players did this to Ratten, round 22, 2012, when they lost to a depleted Gold Coast, 2nd bottom, showing little effort, when we need to win to get into the 8. It stamped Ratten's papers and we have regretted that move ever since. He was the one who at least got something out of us, even though our bad culture, which showed up in that game. Players don't have the will to be a good side. Haven't for 20 years.

Don't waste your time.

We were a different side without Williams who was taking intercept marks in the corridor and uses the ball better than most.

Eddie's injury stopped our most dangerous forward and the move of weitering forward was about 10 minutes too late.

Still had we taken our chances better(SPS, Newnes,  fisher x2, owies x2, martin left foot snap, tdk) you know the gettable ones we'd have changed the game significantly enough.

The team that has been on top all year (albeit not after tonight) is the same team that has struggled for the past couple of years.

You know what the difference is this year? They haven't been cruelled by injuries!

FFS people can hope and want all they want, but without players available what do you expect?

Someone posted earlier that you can't be 5% off in todays game, well we are 33% off in terms of players available to us and we expect to NOT be 5% off in output? Gimme a break. We were 0% in terms of KPFs available to us.

Eddie Maguire has been saying it for years, Injuries are not an excuse.....they are a reason!

The reason we are losing is because we cannot field a competitve lineup each week at the moment. You might be able to get away with it some weeks. But you simply cannot get away with it every week.

Look at the all conquering tigers. Listen to the media talk about their form being down due to the injuries they've had. We have had 50% more injuries than them for the past couple of months at least. Its a reason for them, but we have it worse and we should sack the coach?!

I knew this kind of reaction would come today which is why i made it pretty clear in the pre-game that we were screwed.
If you look at it logically, you can be disappointed, but understanding.
If you look at it emotionally you are simply in a rage and want blood.

Too many in the latter category......and have been for decades. Not enough in the first category. Stick by the coach and ride out the bumps.
We need to stop looking in the rear view mirror of the past 20 years and look ahead to next week. You might actually see the pot holes coming and be able to brace for them instead of losing your $hit when you spill your coffee in your lap because you're oblivious to whats ahead.

I understand your point of view.  Probably I would agree with it if we had put up brief resistance and then had been blown away from late in the first quarter.

But we were ahead at half time.  And then we had to watch the bottom side kick 7 goals to none in the third quarter.  That's what upsets supporters.  Clearly no player was injured during the halftime break so what are we to make of such a humiliating display?

We did the same a week or two ago in the third quarter and I remember wondering then what had happened during the halftime break.

Kruddler, I know the injury list, but what is going on between the ears?  We have a whole team stand by and become spectators for a quarter for no apparent physical reason.

It's just not on.  Carlton supporters deserve better.

Would it have made a difference? Hasn't so far in 20 years. Player motivation comes from within and only peer pressure will drive it. Coach can only encourage. Teague has actually the 2nd best record here by far (low bar admittedly but some bigger names have gone worse). The players did this to Ratten, round 22, 2012, when they lost to a depleted Gold Coast, 2nd bottom, showing little effort, when we need to win to get into the 8. It stamped Ratten's papers and we have regretted that move ever since. He was the one who at least got something out of us, even though our bad culture, which showed up in that game. Players don't have the will to be a good side. Haven't for 20 years.

Don’t know what all the suprise doom and gloom is about, we had no key forwards against Tarrant and McKay who held out the West Coast forward line in Perth recently.

Given the turnover of players we have had in the last 5-6 years let alone the last 20, how does this "culture" or mindset of players not playing for the coach or getting up for important game manifest itself over such a long period of time across multiple coaches? 95% of this forum knew, or was fairly confident, we would lose yesterday even before H was an out. I am of the opinion that despite the outs, we had the talent on the park to beat NM and yet...

Given the turnover of players we have had in the last 5-6 years let alone the last 20, how does this "culture" or mindset of players not playing for the coach or getting up for important game manifest itself over such a long period of time across multiple coaches? 95% of this forum knew, or was fairly confident, we would lose yesterday even before H was an out. I am of the opinion that despite the outs, we had the talent on the park to beat NM and yet...