North Melbourne are frauds !!
And tonight just showed that both teams are miles away from the top 4 in the competition.
Cameron Wood, well done fella, took the opportunity with open arms and has resigned Warnock to the Trade Table for once and for all. Thank god for that !!
Graham was brought on in place of Everitt due to injury and played 3/4 of the game. Kicked a nice goal and did okay but he still has some way to go before he is where we really want him to be. More senior game time will assist in that.
Six goals to Henderson (4 in the last) was terrific and McLean pulling out giving Waite a game was a noble gesture by Brock. ;D
When they do that, it really sh!!ts you what a waste of a season this has been.
Anyway, I'll sing the song along with them.
Wake up the neighbors, they are Collingwood supporters so fk em.
North Melbourne are frauds !!
And tonight just showed that both teams are miles away from the top 4 in the competition.
Cameron Wood, well done fella, took the opportunity with open arms and has resigned Warnock to the Trade Table for once and for all. Thank god for that !!
Graham was brought on in place of Everitt due to injury and played 3/4 of the game. Kicked a nice goal and did okay but he still has some way to go before he is where we really want him to be. More senior game time will assist in that.
Six goals to Henderson (4 in the last) was terrific and McLean pulling out giving Waite a game was a noble gesture by Brock. ;D
I thought Graham was excellent. Used the pill very well and stood in the right spots. Even tackled well. Cameron Wood 100 times better than 206.
That was a really good game of footy to watch tonight.
Amazing how good our forward line is when the ball is blasted into the forward line at pace. So much run. Suddenly just so much space. Great to see such hard work at both ends of the ground.
Just like to know, where has this been all year?!!! That's as well as we've played since MM's been here. Only a horribly inaccurate 3rd qtr made the game close otherwise it's 7-8 goals.
if the Collingwood ruckman has a crape game this weekend, there will be heat!
Mick parks his ego. Picks Wood. Forced to pick Waite. Graham comes on early.
Amazing.
Well done Mick. Well done blues!
Great moral boosting win for the club and supporters!
Waite, Casboult, Henderson. I reckon most clubs would kill for a key position trio like that! Thought Waite was enormous tonight. A real matchwinner. Amazing he's been playing reserves football.
Nicky Graham come on down! That bit of play with the shepherd and goal was enormous. Very tidy disposal and more importantly beautiful technique. His nine iron in traffic to put us in space for the sealing goal in the last quarter was elite! I can't remember who it was that said he has poor disposal but it's off to OPSM for them! :P Really been a waste for him this year, must play every week from now on.
Cam Wood was a huge upgrade on Kreuzer/Warnock/Hampson. Felt weird to have a real ruckman out there for once!
I would like to take credit for this win as I was unable to attend nor watch on ;D
Came back to see the song and 2 things:
- Wood must have the highest socks in the history of the world, looks like a prostitute :P
- Judd looked to enjoy throwing Gatorade on wood a little too much.
I'd say that's the first time we've played four quarters all year. Yes, they lost the third quarter score wise but had more of the ball and more shots on goal in that quarter. Kangas are pretenders. Scott is a sook. And the shame is that most of the focus will be on the Kangas inconsistencies and not our great turnaround from last week.
Also about time they played for the jumper.
Amazing how good we look when we have ruck man that takes grabs around the ground and kicks goals.
He runs and gets involved! When was the last time we had a ruck an the did that? Matty Allen?
Always happy to see the boys win, but let's be honest - we crumble under fierce pressure, and North are one of the sides that apply it least. Plus no tagging, and plenty of room to move. Lots of latitude for the boys to run free.
Plenty more to say.
I would like to take credit for this win as I was unable to attend nor watch on ;D
Came back to see the song and 2 things:
- Wood must have the highest socks in the history of the world, looks like a prostitute :P
- Judd looked to enjoy throwing Gatorade on wood a little too much.
And notice how Judd was throwing the Gatorade. The angle was telling.
Wood is an improvement on Warnock but Goldstein beat him easily in the ruck.
Good effort by the boys, Gibbs and Murph set the standard from the first bounce.
Great moral boosting win for the club and supporters!
Waite, Casboult, Henderson. I reckon most clubs would kill for a key position trio like that! Thought Waite was enormous tonight. A real matchwinner. Amazing he's been playing reserves football.
Nicky Graham come on down! That bit of play with the shepherd and goal was enormous. Very tidy disposal and more importantly beautiful technique. His nine iron in traffic to put us in space for the sealing goal in the last quarter was elite! I can't remember who it was that said he has poor disposal but it's off to OPSM for them! :P Really been a waste for him this year, must play every week from now on.
Cam Wood was a huge upgrade on Kreuzer/Warnock/Hampson. Felt weird to have a real ruckman out there for once!
Amazing how good that forward looks when the ball is taken in there at pace. Just gave Waite and Hendo every chance in space.
Casboult and Rowe are two of the most improved players in the competition.
Wood is an improvement on Warnock but Goldstein beat him easily in the ruck.
Good effort by the boys, Gibbs and Murph set the standard from the first bounce.
I though Wood held his own in the ruck and had more trouble with the athletic Daw....
Best run we have had with the umpires for freakin' years but I'll take it - we were the better side. Pity we make things hard for ourselves with woeful kicking.
Played 3-1/2 quarters and 20 contributers... that's what I liked the best.
Sam Rowe, the only goal he got was a non-existent free... the trainers should have run him out a towel because you gave Petrie a freakin' bath. And you all thought I was joking in the pre-game.
Bryce, I have called you some terrible things over the years. I apologise unreservedly, welcome back.
Haven't seen the game yet but heard the last Q on the car radio. Great win, will watch the replay tomorrow. What was that about tanking?
Great moral boosting win for the club and supporters!
Waite, Casboult, Henderson. I reckon most clubs would kill for a key position trio like that! Thought Waite was enormous tonight. A real matchwinner. Amazing he's been playing reserves football.
Nicky Graham come on down! That bit of play with the shepherd and goal was enormous. Very tidy disposal and more importantly beautiful technique. His nine iron in traffic to put us in space for the sealing goal in the last quarter was elite! I can't remember who it was that said he has poor disposal but it's off to OPSM for them! :P Really been a waste for him this year, must play every week from now on.
Cam Wood was a huge upgrade on Kreuzer/Warnock/Hampson. Felt weird to have a real ruckman out there for once!
Problem being that was the good Waite tonight...chasing, marking well, converting, not being dumb.....can he do it next week and the week after?
Lachie Hansen is putrid as a defender and Firrito and McMahon are not much better.....how they beat the top teams is beyond me...
Wood is an improvement on Warnock but Goldstein beat him easily in the ruck.
Good effort by the boys, Gibbs and Murph set the standard from the first bounce.
Tapouts were 49-33 Norths way. Don't know the breakdown though re: Wood/Casboult, Goldstein/whoever their other ruck is, but Wood smashed Goldstein around the ground.
I'm really happy we have re-signed Bryce Gibbs :D
I'm really happy we have re-signed Bryce Gibbs :D
Sheik isn't ;) ;) ;) ;D ;D ;D
Wood is an improvement on Warnock but Goldstein beat him easily in the ruck.
Good effort by the boys, Gibbs and Murph set the standard from the first bounce.
Tapouts were 49-33 Norths way. Don't know the breakdown though re: Wood/Casboult, Goldstein/whoever their other ruck is, but Wood smashed Goldstein around the ground.
Tap outs to advantage were clearly in Goldstein's favour as I saw it, but that's no disgrace for Wood because Goldstein is a very good ruckman who would have monstered Warnock.
Bit of a downer if Menzels knee is gone again. :( :(
Great moral boosting win for the club and supporters!
Waite, Casboult, Henderson. I reckon most clubs would kill for a key position trio like that! Thought Waite was enormous tonight. A real matchwinner. Amazing he's been playing reserves football.
Nicky Graham come on down! That bit of play with the shepherd and goal was enormous. Very tidy disposal and more importantly beautiful technique. His nine iron in traffic to put us in space for the sealing goal in the last quarter was elite! I can't remember who it was that said he has poor disposal but it's off to OPSM for them! :P Really been a waste for him this year, must play every week from now on.
Cam Wood was a huge upgrade on Kreuzer/Warnock/Hampson. Felt weird to have a real ruckman out there for once!
Problem being that was the good Waite tonight...chasing, marking well, converting, not being dumb.....can he do it next week and the week after?
Lachie Hansen is putrid as a defender and Firrito and McMahon are not much better.....how they beat the top teams is beyond me...
The thing is, at his best, he is just about our best player when going. Take away the dumb sh1t, brain fades, consistency at times, and the general frustration etc etc etc etc.....he has been a damn good player for us.
North Melbourne are frauds !!
And tonight just showed that both teams are miles away from the top 4 in the competition.
Cameron Wood, well done fella, took the opportunity with open arms and has resigned Warnock to the Trade Table for once and for all. Thank god for that !!
Graham was brought on in place of Everitt due to injury and played 3/4 of the game. Kicked a nice goal and did okay but he still has some way to go before he is where we really want him to be. More senior game time will assist in that.
Six goals to Henderson (4 in the last) was terrific and McLean pulling out giving Waite a game was a noble gesture by Brock. ;D
I thought Graham was excellent. Used the pill very well and stood in the right spots. Even tackled well. Cameron Wood 100 times better than 206.
Sheiky being a bit harsh on Graham...poor bloke got a hell of a shock getting on the ground in the first, not just 20 minutes in the last...took him a while to adjust... did some nice things I reckon ;)
Bit of a downer if Menzels knee is gone again. :( :(
Agree - hope it's nothing or at worst something very minor.
I'm really happy we have re-signed Bryce Gibbs :D
He's always been very good but this season he's making the step up to the A grade, Yarran will be there as well before too long.
Like I said in the pre-match, their defence is tripe. And slow. Firrito spent the night trying to rough up Ellard (what a freakin' her, 30 kg heavier) and the brainless Hansen played tonight. Pity Henderson didn't kick 10, he should have.
Did you see the constant cribbing the mark to improve angles (especially the centre option) and the other grey area trick norf use... the use of the kicker's protected zone as a shield for an easy layoff from a mark or free? Norf use a lot of set plays are we seemed wise them for once- well done Mick.
You all laughed but Petrie's lack of mobility was on show tonight... great mark and very strong but they are one short if he doesn't mark it. Thomas worried me more and he kicked his usual .
Ziebell is a glorified version of Robbo... gees he burns the ball at critical times, just like Robbo. Some good, some really bad.
Great moral boosting win for the club and supporters!
Waite, Casboult, Henderson. I reckon most clubs would kill for a key position trio like that! Thought Waite was enormous tonight. A real matchwinner. Amazing he's been playing reserves football.
Nicky Graham come on down! That bit of play with the shepherd and goal was enormous. Very tidy disposal and more importantly beautiful technique. His nine iron in traffic to put us in space for the sealing goal in the last quarter was elite! I can't remember who it was that said he has poor disposal but it's off to OPSM for them! :P Really been a waste for him this year, must play every week from now on.
Cam Wood was a huge upgrade on Kreuzer/Warnock/Hampson. Felt weird to have a real ruckman out there for once!
Problem being that was the good Waite tonight...chasing, marking well, converting, not being dumb.....can he do it next week and the week after?
Lachie Hansen is putrid as a defender and Firrito and McMahon are not much better.....how they beat the top teams is beyond me...
The thing is, at his best, he is just about our best player when going. Take away the dumb sh1t, brain fades, consistency at times, and the general frustration etc etc etc etc.....he has been a damn good player for us.
Agree - his self control in terms in free kicks etc. is wanting, but he's a smart footballer and talented to boot. Without all those injuries, he could've been anything.
Best wishes to Troy, was a very awkward looking incident, hope his sprigs gave and protected his knee, groin and ankle.
The dropped mark by Robbo, IS Robbo. Yes, he goes in, and gives his all, but I can't remember the last time he took a contested mark, let alone alone an uncontested one that he should have taken like tonights.
Wood is an improvement on Warnock but Goldstein beat him easily in the ruck.
Good effort by the boys, Gibbs and Murph set the standard from the first bounce.
Tapouts were 49-33 Norths way. Don't know the breakdown though re: Wood/Casboult, Goldstein/whoever their other ruck is, but Wood smashed Goldstein around the ground.
Tap outs to advantage were clearly in Goldstein's favour as I saw it, but that's no disgrace for Wood because Goldstein is a very good ruckman who would have monstered Warnock.
Not sure of the advantage taps breakdown. We ended up winning the clearances though. Warnock height wins him a heap of taps but the opposition know that too and rove to him. Also Wood creates alot more space for the mids with his body. For that reason our mids probably appreciate having Wood in the ruck more than Warnock. Wood also smashed Goldstein around the ground. I prefer than to the extra tapouts, especially if we win the clearances anyway..
Sakc Malthouse.
Amidoingitrite?
Robbo's grunt and third man in at the ruck was important tonight I thought, although he didn't get a lot of possies. Flew the flag and tackled well, especially early.
The dropped mark by Robbo, IS Robbo. Yes, he goes in, and gives his all, but I can't remember the last time he took a contested mark, let alone alone an uncontested one that he should have taken like tonights.
Sorry, I was agreeing with the last sentence of Professor E's post
Wood's marks were gold. There were some strong contested grabs amongst them too. Protects the mids at the drop of the ball as well. Yep, he's a keeper.
The dropped mark by Robbo, IS Robbo. Yes, he goes in, and gives his all, but I can't remember the last time he took a contested mark, let alone alone an uncontested one that he should have taken like tonights.
You must be talking about another Robbo .
I watch performances like tonight and 2014 feels such a waste.
Everitt & Menzel both have done a knee, not good at all !!
BigNic, I'm over the love for Ziebell from Bwuce and his mates. I just don't see it. Yeshe goes in hard but a bit too indiscriminantly for my liking and his ball use leaves a lot to be desired IMO.
We've got our own version in Robbo and I'm not sure if Robbo is guaranteed of being in our best 22 all the time... his good is, but there is a fair bit of bad. Funnily enough I thought his games prior to his last suspension were his best for some time.
Not definite but not looking good.
Everitt & Menzel both have done a knee, not good at all !!
Everitt's a medial so he'll be out probably for the year if that's the case. He'll be ok for the pre-season though. Menzel's more of a worry, especially with a Lars. Hope for the best but not sure. If it's the worst case I'd go for a traditional reco this time.
Norf and the Tiges are frauds and I'm convinced they'll be frauds next year.
What remains to be seen is, will we be frauds as well in 2015.?
Problem being that was the good Waite tonight...chasing, marking well, converting, not being dumb.....can he do it next week and the week after?
Exactly right !!
We've seen this so many times before, Waite is out for a while and comes in first-up and plays a blinder. He then turns to his lunatic self the second week and undoes all of the good will he built up the week before.
He is going to play some good games in the run home to the end of the season too, he is out of contract at the end of the season so he will want to either get Carlton to re-sign him or stoke up some interest from the opposition clubs.
For mine, great to see him play well tonight but I'm not fooled and I hope the club aren't either, this has to be his last season at the Princes Park.
This was a ridiculous result tonight.....
BigNic, I'm over the love for Ziebell from Bwuce and his mates. I just don't see it. Yeshe goes in hard but a bit too indiscriminantly for my liking and his ball use leaves a lot to be desired IMO.
We've got our own version in Robbo and I'm not sure if Robbo is guaranteed of being in our best 22 all the time... his good is, but there is a fair bit of bad. Funnily enough I thought his games prior to his last suspension were his best for some time.
If North came to us and offered Ziebell as a straight swap for Robinson, we'd couldn't say 'yes' quick enough.
Casboult has received a lot of press about his "hands" but, gee whizz, Waite surely has to have the best mitts going around. He's almost up there in Swan McKay territory.
Gibbsy (as opposed to that cr@p layabout, Gibbs) was awesome in the middle and those 2 clutch goals were probably the difference.
Rowe - yeah, excellent game. The one thing I'd like to see him do is take more marks when he has the drop rather than thumping the ball to kingdom come. Turns a 100% play into a 50/50 proposition.
Wood. As someone said, it's been a long time since we've seen a ruckman take marks around the ground.
Menzel was in the wars a bit tonight but I don't think I appreciated what a smart player he is in terms of positioning and general awareness. Like to see him in the centre.
Cons: Junk time goals to the opposition. Thomas was able to walk off the ground.
Get rid of that useless giraffe Warnock…Cam Wood was 100pc better than anything Warnock has shown all year…and having to cop that flog David King showing 2 perfect taps from Goldilocks in the ruck as saying how superb he was…sheeash Wood was great with bodywork off the ball….couple of good pack grabs,,,nice goal…miles in front of the great giraffe,,,and made some tackles,,,easy choice,,,why 18 games to work this out?
Why do they pick Ellard week in week out…Graham so much better…..give him a full game…
God hope Troy the Boy is OK with LARS KNEE
Why does that little crap Thomas always rip us a new one every game we play them…well done Sam Rowe as usually Petrie kicks 4-5 plus v us every year
Problem being that was the good Waite tonight...chasing, marking well, converting, not being dumb.....can he do it next week and the week after?
Exactly right !!
We've seen this so many times before, Waite is out for a while and comes in first-up and plays a blinder. He then turns to his lunatic self the second week and undoes all of the good will he built up the week before.
He is going to play some good games in the run home to the end of the season too, he is out of contract at the end of the season so he will want to either get Carlton to re-sign him or stoke up some interest from the opposition clubs.
For mine, great to see him play well tonight but I'm not fooled and I hope the club aren't either, this has to be his last season at the Princes Park.
He usually misses half the season anyway, we should play him every second week :))
Casboult seemed all at sea tonight, took some strong grabs but that was about it. Rowe was crucified by the umpires for that non-existent love-tap on Petrie, I nearly broke the TV screen when they paid that.
Problem being that was the good Waite tonight...chasing, marking well, converting, not being dumb.....can he do it next week and the week after?
Exactly right !!
We've seen this so many times before, Waite is out for a while and comes in first-up and plays a blinder. He then turns to his lunatic self the second week and undoes all of the good will he built up the week before.
He is going to play some good games in the run home to the end of the season too, he is out of contract at the end of the season so he will want to either get Carlton to re-sign him or stoke up some interest from the opposition clubs.
For mine, great to see him play well tonight but I'm not fooled and I hope the club aren't either, this has to be his last season at the Princes Park.
He usually misses half the season anyway, we should play him every second week :))
I hope we get 2 more years out of him. He'll play good footy at 32-33yo and even the most frustrating often tends to settle "in the head" when they move further in their 30s.
We let him go and he'll up having a year or 3 at clubs that could use him like Geelong, Collingwood and even Hawthorn with Buddy gone. Prefer him playing for us rather than watch him kick a heap against us and improve our opposition.
Casboult seemed all at sea tonight, took some strong grabs but that was about it. Rowe was crucified by the umpires for that non-existent love-tap on Petrie, I nearly broke the TV screen when they paid that.
Casboult started well, faded alot but still took a couple more grabs. We moved the ball at real speed tonight, which meant we could hit Hendo and Waite one out often. Casboult gets a bit left out in that situation in regards to our forward line. Allows us to let him run round the ground more. First qtr and a half good but died out after that.
Everitt & Menzel both have done a knee, not good at all !!
Everitt's a medial so he'll be out probably for the year if that's the case. He'll be ok for the pre-season though. Menzel's more of a worry, especially with a Lars. Hope for the best but not sure. If it's the worst case I'd go for a traditional reco this time.
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Has to. We always knew this was a potential outcome with Troy, so better get it over with in the infancy of his career. Interesting to see how contract talks unfold now though.
Sam Rowe was great again and is one of the most improved players...in the comp not just at Carlton...have not been happy with Malthouse overall but he has improved this bloke out of sight and also Simon White and credit to him.
Sam Rowe was great again and is one of the most improved players...in the comp not just at Carlton...have not been happy with Malthouse overall but he has improved this bloke out of sight and also Simon White and credit to him.
Rowe is MM's masterpiece. Recruited as a mature aged forward under Ratts, fights off cancer and is reinvented as a potential AA defender (maybe not this year). White exists due to MM's aversion towards Laidler. We need to track their corresponding careers to measure that outcome.
Great win
2qtr effort for once
Concerned about Menz and Everritt.
Hope they re both ok, although by the looks of things, both are pretty stuffed.
Wood our number 1 ruck man. Who would have thought. Lol
Wood our number 1 ruck man. Who would have thought. Lol
Still got smashed in the hitouts. Showed more around the ground than Warnock has in his lifetime, though.
Sam Rowe was great again and is one of the most improved players...in the comp not just at Carlton...have not been happy with Malthouse overall but he has improved this bloke out of sight and also Simon White and credit to him.
Full credit goes to Mick for Rowe, he put him in defence and now we have a FB for the next 4 years and a great one at that but White? Not for mine, we saw the real Simon White last night, awful decision making, a real goose.
Sam Rowe was great again and is one of the most improved players...in the comp not just at Carlton...have not been happy with Malthouse overall but he has improved this bloke out of sight and also Simon White and credit to him.
Malthouse's real strength is developing good ordinary players who are prepared to give 110% and work their ar2e off to improve. Rowe and White fit the bill. Lazy J Garlett wouldn't, because he has the ability but choose when to use it. Mick was 'blue collar' himself like Maxwell, like Worsfold and like Rowe and White. He'd love em
P2c, has he got the right fairy dust to sprinkle over Watson? I personally don't think so as Watson does seem to have that 'will to succeed at all cost' attitude that Mick wants
We can only dream Townsend. With that left boot if he could just fix the other parts of his game he could be anything! I think LP brought something up the other day about Watto's stats being better than Cas' first 10 or so games. Who knows? Imagine we could put his left boot on the Cas? :D
Might I also add I really enjoyed last night's game, first I've enjoyed for quite some time. Why you ask? Well not only did I go against my rule of not betting against my side ( I thought we were morals ) but we played with a spirit that hasn't been evident since the final last year and that IMO is what's missing in the team ATM, not talent but spirit. It's just a pity it took four milestone games to bring it out in us.
Jarrad Waite is as true blue as they come and it's no surprise that he lifted so much for his mates, that's the type of bloke he is. Malthouse needs to learn how to harness that talent, it's just not right that a player of Waite's capabilities is playing reserves. Yes I understand he can be a little inconsistent but not to the point of being dropped. I cannot believe the bloke finally has got his body right and can't get a regular gig for us.
I haven't read the all of this thread so I'm sorry if this has been said before but.....
Rowe; BOG. Kept a lid on Petrie.
Gibbs; he was a number 1 pick for a reason.
Murphy; all class.
Waite; match winner.
Henderson; keep him in the forward 50!
Wood; Warnock should be VERY scared.
Judd; lifts when he needs to. Helped carry us over the line.
Docherty; very good pick up.
Thomas; not worth 700k atm
Good win by the boys, but the real challenge is to do that when the big boys try to exert real physical pressure. I don't claim to understand North's game style, but they play off their man and give plenty of latitude through the middle. The sort of opposition we like. As a result the game was genuinely entertaining to watch, a rare occurrence these days. It's amazing what you can do with a team built for fast ball movement, that finally decides to move the ball quickly. And FWIW, I find North to be a generally clean team, not perfect, but better than most.
Casboult - another good game, without the same impact as last week.
Hendo - looked ok, and hopefully this is a sign that he is getting back to his best.
Waite - ahh Jarryd. Supporters sometime speak of a particular player being the "barometer" of the team. For me, it is between Simmo and Waite. Have we ever done badly when Waite has played well ? He was great last night. A real delight to watch. And someone else said it, his hands are as good as Cas. Without his injuries and brain fades, he could've easily been a contender.
Graham - talk about haircuts - to my eyes, he bears more than a passing resemblance to Martin Gore from Depeche Mode. Played exactly as you would expect a young, freshly minted recruit. Lively, sharp, confident. Good game and great goal.
Yazz - still not running and carrying as much as he has in the past - is he injured ? At any rate, did cover a lot of ground, and we got the "good but not flashy" Yazz last night. Did a lot of simple things well, and makes it look so effortless.
BOS(brother of Spida) - first game I've seen him play where I could be convinced he was worth recruiting - and then he gets injured. Was playing well. I hope his injury is nothing serious.
Menz - was playing a different role last night. Similar to Yazz, going ok with out the flashy stuff, and then gets injured. I hope his injury is nothing serious.
Judd - to my eyes, I haven't seen Judd look this fast, sharp and lively for a few seasons. A very good game and if he doesn't play next season…….. Murph made it clear he wants him to play, and it was a rare "guard down" moment to see him enjoying himself with the Gatorade at the end. His fist pump on the siren was great too. Love the Juddmeister.
Gibbs- well, well, well. A couple of very lazy disposals early on, and then bang. Off he goes. Not much physical pressure from the Kangas, and he lapped it up. Terrific game, and clearly loving his time in the midfield.
Murph - did well, as we would expect from a great talent, with the latitude he was given. Very good game.
Wood - at this point, a better option than 206. Good game, with some strong marking and good ruck work.
Curnow - tries hard, and I can see his role as a stopper / tagger. But I'm 50/50 on him at the moment.
Ellard - I really want him to do well, but I just don't think it will happen. Will be the first delisted this year IMO. Lack of skill, lack of speed, poor decision making. Sigh.
Robbo - needs to learn from Hodge how to be a sneaky, clever tough man. Bit too captain obvious at the moment. Given his record, and given the MRP's obvious love for Carlton, will get done for that late hit. Played a very good game and his energy and pace around the field and impact on contests are invaluable for mine. Skill improvement is occurring, albeit at a glacial pace.
Simmo - smart and courageous player, but lacking in zip and energy at the moment. Did good things last night, but looking a little cooked to be honest. Injuries ? Age ?
Rowe - definitely joining in the group hug on this one. He has improved the way I hoped Ellard would improve. Seems to be getting the gig on the opposition's best forwards, and so far has done very well, in marking, spoiling, one on ones. Disposal and composure need to be rectified asap - both are big concerns.
White - a lesser version of Rowe. Like Robbo, has a bit of the tough guy about him, but needs more to stay in the team. Hopefully improvement can continue. Did ok last night.
Jamo - the ever reliable Jamo. A good game, and he is for mine a very good disposer of the footy, especially by foot.
Doc - good game - seems to be coming along nicely.
Thomas - will he and Malthouse turn out to be the 24 carat solid, real deal, or will they end up as fool's gold ? I hope the former. I would have Thomas in our bottom three last night. I hope it's only pre season and game time that account for this.
It's amazing how quickly Thomas finds himself down back getting cheap uncontested disposals after a poor first half. Obviously Mick is trying get him into the game. A bigger flop than Broke.
Casboult -ran out of petrol towards the end but scares the opposition. Didn't do a lot but other talls did the job.
Hendo - was incensed by his wastefulness but turned it around. Did the basics well - Hansen was poor on him, very poor.
Waite - as good a game as we've seen from SOV... crunching tackles, mobility, kicked well, outstanding marking. The mark in D50 then the long run forward and goal was superb.
Graham - overall I was impressed, better than some of the VFL games I have seen. Won't be allowed to run around with space that often and must get prepared for harder football in the clinches. Still too many dinky kicks under pressure but when allowed to run loose showed he can drill the ball properly. Needs work on left foot, core strength work and must keep his feet.
Yazz - concur... did the basics well and carried the ball superbly at times without unnecessary razzle dazzle. Open game suited him.
BOS(brother of Spida) - knew the injury was serious when I saw it, looked nasty.
Judd - his last quarter was good and a solid contributor but I thought the other mids did a lot of the heavy lifting. Looked sharp and had a bit of zip about him... doesn't look like a player fading out to me..
Gibbs- massive, massive game I thought, especially second quarter. Swept up a lot of loose but contested ball at the back of the square and delivered clean.
Murph - shown no respect and cut norf apart with precise disposal. One wasted F50 but it that is regarded as an "average" game then he is up there with the best.
Wood - proper ruckman's game. Big marks, created space, negated Goldstein yet won some crucial clearances. Honest effort.
Curnow - hard to follow on the TV... did he run with Boomer? Competed hard but seemed to get the slip at times. Still integral to side IMO as better in that role than others.
Ellard - poor, but not from lack of effort. Put in and drew frees - seemed to play higher up the ground than normal but delivered ball poorly, got caught and didn't capitalise in opportunities. Will struggle to retain place in side and spot on list.
Robbo - superb hit on Adams and valuable as third man in and general grunt around the place... others have gotten off at the MRP for way worse but he'll go. Agreed needs to get smarter but we play better when he is around.
Simmo - very good off half back I thought, though his kicking seems to have lost a bit of penetration. Ran hard to create that wide loose option off half back and distributed well... essentially what beat norf.
Rowe - towelled Petrie. Seems slow to give off by hand in broken play which creates problems but remember, he has played about 15 games in defence. It will come.
White - does some very tough things but makes some critical, really dumb errors. Seems to be either a touch slow or a touch short for the roles they want him to play but better than the other options in the 2's.
Jamo - If he stood Black and Brown then he was very good... but there was a bit of heart-in-mouth disposal stuff.
Doc - good game disposal-wise but was disappointed to see him beaten in the air when he had the sit.
Touhy - best game for a while IMO. Kicked and used the ball well and looked better under pressure.
Thomas - was a passenger... got knocked over and lost footing very easily and looks down on strength.
Menzel - awesome tackles and astute flanker's role, running hard and dropping back to defence at times to offer option/support so not in positions to hit scoreboard. Praying that his knee is alright.
The Kangabies love it when they're the hunters but if subjected to being the hunted, find the going tough. We sure did hunt them and insist on playing the game on our terms. Bravo. Best win of the year. Amazing what a difference playing all four quarters makes (had we kicked straight in the 3rd, we'd have closed the game out then).
Also amazing what a difference it makes to our side when Waite brings his A game... sadly, now we're waiting for him to get reported or just go missing for the day in his next game or the one after - also wish he would stop pleading with the umpire all the time for a 50 or a free.
Rowe - success story. Especially good considering he strolled down media street this week yet was unaffected by the publicity - good stuff.
Graham has worked hard on his disposal and it is now paying dividends - well done (though squirting one out on the full was a throw back to a few months ago!). Blessing in disguise that he had to play more time on the ground than first thought. Even MM made comment on him stepping up. Just has to keep up the concentration. Hope he starts on the ground in our next game.
Simmo - ripper. So many excellent contributions (Yazz early... brilliant) but, along with Waite, Gibbs was the standout... and it warmed the cockles to see the Juddy dash. But Juddy, really... that 'squirting' of the red gatorade from the hips at Wood!!!!
And it really was good to have a ruckman who can take marks! And kick goals. He contested well with Silverstein but gave him a hiding around the ground. Suspect 206 might find himself on the trade table as we go with Wood, Kreuzer and Meat (and a project from the draft). Wrapped he got the call up, has worked really hard in the 2s, probably never beaten, and richly deserved this opportunity.
In the previous 3 comprehensive rundowns of the game and players, no one mentioned Bell!! Thoughts on his game?
In the previous 3 comprehensive rundowns of the game and players, no one mentioned Bell!! Thoughts on his game?
Well spotted tc.
Knew there was someone I missed. I thought he did well. Played up forward and through the middle. Provided some grunt around the stoppages and used his pace to spread well and provide run and carry.
Not prominent springs to mind, no obvious errors. Not a lot of game time.
I would let Judd go with that feeble squirting. That last image of him with Waite and the old prez laughing it up is what will stick in my mind. It was as if all the shackles had lifted and they were a bunch of mates having a time of their lives.
Yeah did not stand out to me at any stage but that said I don't remember cursing him either.
You wouldn't curse anyone Carrots!
We had the least turnovers that we've had for a long long time, it made a big difference. More as a result of lack of pressure from Norf.
They were very loose, I remember the commentators were amazed at the space Murph was getting.
It was a bizarre game in many ways... the way we held the ball and went sideways to keep possession, then patiently waited for a chain of short options before hitting up a forward... and the fact that we hit targets and took marks...we looked the most systematic and organised CFC side I'd seen for a long time. A lot of blokes played well and our better players played well.
We even held tackles. Yea, amazing stuff.
I thought we had a very, very, good run with officialdom and got the rub of the green, and yes we ain't a top 4 side but they all did their jobs and were fair dinkum for much of the game. I'm happy with that.
What really staggered me was how awful norf were... they weren't switched on early, they wouldn't run defensively, their ball carriers were awful (particularly with ball in hand), their backs slow and sloppy, they let the likes of Murphy have space - every liability about them was horribly exposed... it was a really sloppy night from Scott and the players I thought.
They were very loose, I remember the commentators were amazed at the space Murph was getting.
Murphy and Gibbs found themselves breaking free because of the good hard work on the inside, Ch.7 tried to make it out that he was given a free run!
As for that midfield and inside work, what differences a real ruckmen makes, the bumps, 2nd efforts, tackles, shepherds, blocks all good 1%ers and the marks,
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I would let Judd go with that feeble squirting. That last image of him with Waite and the old prez laughing it up is what will stick in my mind. It was as if all the shackles had lifted and they were a bunch of mates having a time of their lives.
LOL that Judd Gatorade thing was a bit weird but it's been a long miserable season, let them enjoy what they can.
In the previous 3 comprehensive rundowns of the game and players, no one mentioned Bell!! Thoughts on his game?
Well spotted tc.
Knew there was someone I missed. I thought he did well. Played up forward and through the middle. Provided some grunt around the stoppages and used his pace to spread well and provide run and carry.
Yes, good pick up. Dinger was really good... did his job and delivered a bit of hurt here and there.
I was at the game and watched the replay this morning...
What has struck me has been the significant change to our set up - 3 tall forwards with strong marking power. I want some bigger harder bodies in defence - I suggest 2 key defenders we need.
For too many years we looked like these outside running whippet like bodies which results in too much hard efforts to get a score..
As a result I don't miss Betts or Garlett. For that matter, Walker. He needs a new role to stay. I still think Waite should be moved on. He was playing like the axe was hanging over his neck.
As regards our Captain - I want Murphy to relinquish it and give it to Henderson.
On 2 occasions Murphy could have taken responsibility to run deeper to goal and slot the goal - he was looking to give it off which resulted in a poor result..
Graham - must stay and not be a sub....Brock might have a problem keeping in the 22..
Casboult - his hands are great ...
Gibbs has transformed...
Further ...
Trade Warnock and Kruezer...lets start again with our ruck division....
Malthouse's real strength is developing good ordinary players who are prepared to give 110% and work their ar2e off to improve. Rowe and White fit the bill. Lazy J Garlett wouldn't, because he has the ability but choose when to use it. Mick was 'blue collar' himself like Maxwell, like Worsfold and like Rowe and White. He'd love em
Yep, which is also why he's got a crush on Davey Ellard, I hope he gets over that one.
I'm generally happy with White, he has a red hot crack and never takes a backwards step, he's only a footsoldier but every club needs them.
Malthouse is slowly putting the puzzle together, we were a mediocre team when he took over and he could have coached for quick results but he's taken the longer view.
There'll be ups and downs along the way but at least we've started the road trip.
How could you give hendo the captaincy on the back of this year? Especially as Murphy is just starting to grow into the role.
BTW, Hendo needs to get on some eating plan - he is very slight
Malthouse's real strength is developing good ordinary players who are prepared to give 110% and work their ar2e off to improve. Rowe and White fit the bill. Lazy J Garlett wouldn't, because he has the ability but choose when to use it. Mick was 'blue collar' himself like Maxwell, like Worsfold and like Rowe and White. He'd love em
Yep, which is also why he's got a crush on Davey Ellard, I hope he gets over that one.
I'm generally happy with White, he has a red hot crack and never takes a backwards step, he's only a footsoldier but every club needs them.
Malthouse is slowly putting the puzzle together, we were a mediocre team when he took over and he could have coached for quick results but he's taken the longer view.
There'll be ups and downs along the way but at least we've started the road trip.
Acutally B4L he has coached for quick results. This is widely acknowledged in the football world.
Acutally B4L he has coached for quick results. This is widely acknowledged in the football world.
Dropping Jarrad Waite suggests otherwise to me PI2C.
The football world is alive with theories, rumours and straight out BS, most of which can safely be ignored.
Edit: While I think about it I thought Simpson played a bottler last night along with Murphy and Gibbs, but when one of your key forwards has 19 touches, takes 11 marks, lays 6 tackles and kicks 4 goals you will always be hard to beat.
I heard that Waite was dropped because he didn't follow orders, he looked like a different player last night.
Acutally B4L he has coached for quick results. This is widely acknowledged in the football world.
Dropping Jarrad Waite suggests otherwise to me PI2C.
The football world is alive with theories, rumours and straight out BS, most of which can safely be ignored.
Waite is a personal thing. You have blokes like McLean, White and Carrazzo running around getting games whilst blokes like Graham and Watson are sitting in the twos.
Now if we had only produced this against Richmond, Melbourne, Brisbane, GWS as well as got over the line against Geelong. What a different season we'd have.
Acutally B4L he has coached for quick results. This is widely acknowledged in the football world.
Dropping Jarrad Waite suggests otherwise to me PI2C.
The football world is alive with theories, rumours and straight out BS, most of which can safely be ignored.
Waite is a personal thing. You have blokes like McLean, White and Carrazzo running around getting games whilst blokes like Graham and Watson are sitting in the twos.
I don't rate Watson at all, he's slow, lacks anticipation and awareness and panics under pressure, Graham will get his chances but might struggle for a game as Bell, Buckley and Cripps come through.
He looked OK last night though, he seems to have a natural feel for the game.
McLean, White and Carrazzo have all earned their spots.
Makes no difference, if you're not coaching for quick results you're not playing Carrazzo, Mclean and White. IMO.
Further ...
Trade Warnock and Kruezer...lets start again with our ruck division....
Agree with you on Warnock but Kruezer no way. I was watching Fox Footy before the game and they showed our last game against North and it was Kruezer who was getting back and getting intercept marks, making room for our mids to clean up much the same as what Wood did this week except he was beat Goldstein in the ruck as well.
Kruezer has been injured the last two years and by giving him this year to get over everything is one of the best decisions that the club has made. It will be tempted to give him a game this season but why? Give him the year and the pre season to get over everything then unleash Kreuzer in 2015, have Levi as his relief and if we get back our bulldozer imagine the havoc they can both create in the forward line while killing opposition rucks around the ground.
Makes no difference, if you're not coaching for quick results you're not playing Carrazzo, Mclean and White. IMO.
Agree with you with McLean and Carrazzo but White still has plenty to offer, he has something our backs don't have and that is real mongrel. I think he'd start a fight in an empty room if asked. He kept Black quite he gave some extra presence around the ball and while he didn't star, he didn't hurt either.
If you took White out who would you replace him with that's available right now?
Makes no difference, if you're not coaching for quick results you're not playing Carrazzo, Mclean and White. IMO.
I just don't buy that PI2C, I think it's part of your anti Malthouse agenda but maybe I'm mistaken.
I'm happy with White, he's no gun but he's improved steadily and holds his spot on his merits, if someone like Watson was knocking the door down he might be in trouble but the last senior game that Watson played was that bad I was embarrassed for him.
Carrazzo is a quality player whose days are probably numbered, but when he's fit he's an automatic selection.
Brock McLean is an honest footballer who works his arse off in a game, he's only just turned 28.
Malthouse needed to strike a balance between blooding talented kids, improving the culture of the place and staying competitive, because nothing destroys a team like floggings.
We haven't won as many games as any of us would like but the floggings haven't featured, even our heavy loss to Sydney was only one very poor quarter.
Business as usual and a few tweaks here and there were never going to deliver after 10 years of failure, and it will take more than two seasons to turn the ship around.
Watson, but I don't rate White at all, I can see where others are coming from but he lures you into a false sense of security, only to stuff up at the most crucial moment.
I don't rate Watson at all, he's slow, lacks anticipation and awareness and panics under pressure, Graham will get his chances but might struggle for a game as Bell, Buckley and Cripps come through.
He looked OK last night though, he seems to have a natural feel for the game.
McLean, White and Carrazzo have all earned their spots.
I agree totally. The only thing going for him is that he is 'generally' a good kick, but he often mucks it up under pressure. Absolutely NO AWARENESS of what is happening around him.
I just don't buy that PI2C, I think it's part of your anti Malthouse agenda but maybe I'm mistaken.
It's all too eay to say that. Cop out.
Carrazzo is a quality player whose days are probably numbered, but when he's fit he's an automatic selection.
And Waite isn't??
Brock McLean is an honest footballer who works his arse off in a game, he's only just turned 28.
Regardless, he is not the future and if you were coaching for the future you would not be playing him.
Malthouse needed to strike a balance between blooding talented kids, improving the culture of the place and staying competitive, because nothing destroys a team like floggings.
We haven't won as many games as any of us would like but the floggings haven't featured, even our heavy loss to Sydney was only one very poor quarter.
Our two heavy losses this year are worse than any loss under the previous regime. We have been uncompetitive on many occasions even with those senior players. Losing games to bottom four sides is not being competitive. I could accpet this had he stripped the team bare and gone with the youth.
Business as usual and a few tweaks here and there were never going to deliver after 10 years of failure, and it will take more than two seasons to turn the ship around.
And by not playing the youth, he has not even spun the wheel.
That felt good, North would have to be my second most hated team now behind Essendon. Thomas, Harvey, Black, Firrito and Thompson are all gits, snipers and divers. So glad only one had a decent game.
Curnow - People highlight what he can't do but let's look at what he did do and that's shut Harvey out of the game after quarter time, there was no major runs and while Harvey still did some nice things he wasn't dominant. I'm surprises Harvey didn't make a federal case out of Curnow beating him like he does with most taggers.
Henderson - Looked more mobile and protected the ball drop better for easy marks, still has gentle hands but was his best game up forward for the club, has played better down back.
Rowe - OK I was wrong, he might be a decent player, he punches better than any other defender, he just has to make sure it goes to the boundary, not up in the air. He will mark if in front which is good and his disposal has got better. Can't build a backline around him but will be a good 2nd ruck minder, hopefully Giles can come on as a tall defender who offers a bit of run as neither Jammo or Rowe will be that player.
Yarran - When Yazz has it I feel relaxed. That play where he marked on the outer wing cut inside and delivered the ball on the chest on Hendo I think was a moment when alone with a box of tissues may have been appreciated more. :o
Simmo - Back to a bit of form after a poor last month. Attacked well off half back ran to the right areas to receive and got some great help from Graham when he ran himself into trouble.
Wood - Beaten in the ruck with Goldstein getting a lot of taps to where he wanted them but still beat him up physically knocking him around at most contests, then MARKING THE BALL around the ground and sneaking forward to take marks. That's the minimum a ruckman must do.
Waite - Rightly received a kick up the arse by being dropped to the twos and responded well by playing his best game in two seasons. Just showed when we have a forward line set up such as we had last night we can kick a competitive score.
Gibbs - Started poorly but then came on. People complain about MM not bringing on players, what about how he's seen that Gibbs is most valuable around the ball and left him there?
Murphy - Growing each week into his captains roll. Not a great game but teamed well with all around and his kicking into the forward 50 was mouth watering. Some little spears or floaters and then a long bomb to advantage.
Robbo - If he gets put out for the bump then I hope the CFC fight tooth and nail to clear him. Even Adams when he was going off the ground slapped his shoulder indicating where he was hit. Mathews said on the broadcast that it didn't look high, until Tom Harley the Carlton hater tried to convince everybody that he hit his head. The reason the head went back was the hit was so perfect that his whole body took the shock and the head will always move you tool Harley.
MM out-coached Scott by a mile last night. Our hands were quick and clean last night and baffled the dimwitted North midfield and didn't allow their divers to have time with the ball.
Umpiring was spot on last night, sure there were a couple of bad calls but that went both ways and you could see why they payed them. When Yarran was called for dropping the ball in the first quarter I said fair enough I just want to see that paid all night long and it pretty much was. They were quick to throw the ball up paid high contact and didn't get sucked in to Thomas diving when he felt contact.
Yarran - When Yazz has it I feel relaxed. That play where he marked on the outer wing cut inside and delivered the ball on the chest on Hendo I think was a moment when alone with a box of tissues may have been appreciated more. :o
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Down bac k Rowe was a star. Beat Petrie handds down. Having a breakout year and doing an honest job for us. is physical and defends hard and well.
Wood is that much better than Warnock it is not funny.
Henderson, Waite and casboult up forward is a hard matchup.
Hopefully Menzel is ok.
Everitt and Docherty, the two newbies, off the HBF's works well and helps release Yarran and Simpson. They are far more effectoive IMO than Walker there.
Gibbs, Murphy and Judd great. Curnow did a good job too.
We still need more polish, turnover merchants like Robinson and Curnow acnnot be relied upon often enough to make the right decisions and/or hit targets.
And by not playing the youth, he has not even spun the wheel.
He has played the youth, just not the youth you think he should have played.
I'll trust his judgement.
And by not playing the youth, he has not even spun the wheel.
He has played the youth, just not the youth you think he should have played.
I'll trust his judgement.
Fair enough.
Everitt and Docherty, the two newbies, off the HBF's works well and helps release Yarran and Simpson. They are far more effectoive IMO than Walker there.
I reckon we were that much better without Walker back in defence.
Everitt and Docherty, the two newbies, off the HBF's works well and helps release Yarran and Simpson. They are far more effectoive IMO than Walker there.
I reckon we were that much better without Walker back in defence.
I reckon you're right.
A baker would be happy to produce as many turnovers as Walker this season.
Down bac k Rowe was a star. Beat Petrie handds down. Having a breakout year and doing an honest job for us. is physical and defends hard and well.
Wood is that much better than Warnock it is not funny.
Henderson, Waite and casboult up forward is a hard matchup.
Hopefully Menzel is ok.
Everitt and Docherty, the two newbies, off the HBF's works well and helps release Yarran and Simpson. They are far more effectoive IMO than Walker there.
Gibbs, Murphy and Judd great. Curnow did a good job too.
We still need more polish, turnover merchants like Robinson and Curnow acnnot be relied upon often enough to make the right decisions and/or hit targets.
Agree with all that Pratty.
I couldn't help but look at Wood last night and think how dumb our recruiting has been, here is a VFL ruckman who comes in and actually does something around the ground. Even chased Harvey down at one stage I think.
Rowe is improving every week and good on him. He is actually starting to play more like a natural defender by the week and is intercept marking which is great.
Forward set up was good, still prefer seeing Walker up there as well next year alongside Menzel.
A great performance.
The 22 out there played as a whole and stuck to the task at hand for a full four quarters. Great to see.
Wood has the wood on the spud 206.
A team with Bell and Robbo in it, tackles and pressures all that much harder.
Not sad to say, we didn't miss Walker, Carrots or McLean at all !!
The boys would have to wait until I'm overseas to play to their potential.
Last time I was overseas during footy season we played Richmond in the 1982 Grand Final :) If you folk want to take up a collection I will happily stay here for a while longer ;)
The boys would have to wait until I'm overseas to play to their potential.
Last time I was overseas during footy season we played Richmond in the 1982 Grand Final :) If you folk want to take up a collection I will happily stay here for a while longer ;)
No offence, can you stay there until 2016?
MM is trying to mould white collar workers into a team of blue collar workers and I tend to agree with what his trying to do, eg Rowe, White etc. , great win, let's hope we can continue the form(which hasn't been that bad) into the next few weeks
The boys would have to wait until I'm overseas to play to their potential.
Last time I was overseas during footy season we played Richmond in the 1982 Grand Final :) If you folk want to take up a collection I will happily stay here for a while longer ;)
No offence, can you stay there until 2016?
I want 3 flags by 2020.
Better get a raffle going.
A great 4 qtr effort, a pity about the poor conversion in the 3rd.
It's nice to see what we are capable of when we have a go.
How good is it to have multiple key forwards who can actually take a grab !!
And a ruck man who does more than just get a few taps!
Rowe is really establishing himself down back.
Overall, very happy, a couple more wins against top 8 sides this year and there will be good reason to hope for a good year in 2015
I reckon our final round clash with the druggies will be a great finish to the year. Imagine if we are responsible for keeping them out of the 8! Two years in a row!!! GOLD 24 carat!!!!!
A great performance.
The 22 out there played as a whole and stuck to the task at hand for a full four quarters. Great to see.
Wood has the wood on the spud 206.
A team with Bell and Robbo in it, tackles and pressures all that much harder.
Not sad to say, we didn't miss Walker, Carrots or McLean at all !!
Nice to see Cripps come in for the rest of the season.
No hurry to play those other guys.
Maybe time to move on with them
Noticeable increase in intensity and heart last night.
One thing that stood out to me was that a few times when the push and shove was on, there were 3 or 4 navy guernseys standing up for one another, rather than seeing a lone figure being ragdolled by 2 or 3 opposition like usually happens.
Malthouse's real strength is developing good ordinary players who are prepared to give 110% and work their ar2e off to improve. Rowe and White fit the bill. Lazy J Garlett wouldn't, because he has the ability but choose when to use it. Mick was 'blue collar' himself like Maxwell, like Worsfold and like Rowe and White. He'd love em
Yep, which is also why he's got a crush on Davey Ellard, I hope he gets over that one.
I'm generally happy with White, he has a red hot crack and never takes a backwards step, he's only a footsoldier but every club needs them.
Malthouse is slowly putting the puzzle together, we were a mediocre team when he took over and he could have coached for quick results but he's taken the longer view.
There'll be ups and downs along the way but at least we've started the road trip.
Acutally B4L he has coached for quick results. This is widely acknowledged in the football world.
Love your sense of humour... ;)
Dermie's words not mine, you know, the Dermie who you just praised yesterday for his article? That one. ;)
I reckon our final round clash with the druggies will be a great finish to the year. Imagine if we are responsible for keeping them out of the 8! Two years in a row!!! GOLD 24 carat!!!!!
I was definitely happy to take their spot but they shot themselves last year, can't claim credit there. I still remember 97 and how bitter it was having Richmond knock us out of a finals spot after we had it in the bag so it would be a sweet end to an otherwise forgettable season to inflict that double on them!
ARRRRGGGHHHHH! 1997.
I reckon our final round clash with the druggies will be a great finish to the year. Imagine if we are responsible for keeping them out of the 8! Two years in a row!!! GOLD 24 carat!!!!!
Yep...we need Fraser Brown in the rooms giving the boys a rev up...this will be our GF for the year....
What is the latest on the injuries to Menzel and Everitt respectively?
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2014-07-19/injury-update-troy-menzel (http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2014-07-19/injury-update-troy-menzel)
He will be available for selection for Carlton’s next game, the round 19 clash against Fremantle on Thursday 31 July.
It's amazing how quickly Thomas finds himself down back getting cheap uncontested disposals after a poor first half. Obviously Mick is trying get him into the game. A bigger flop than Broke.
BANG!
What is the latest on the injuries to Menzel and Everitt respectively?
Everitt has a PCL and may only miss two or three games given we have a bye next weekend.
Finally got to watch the game today and I must say that was the best effort I've seen from the boys in quite some time. They played out the full game, the mistakes were greatly reduced and they contained a strong surge from the North in the 2Q and 3Q, kept their nerve and ran out a convincing win. Confidence booster no doubt.
Much has been posted already but yes I liked Wood game in ruck and Graham, who I am yet to be convinced by, did some very nice things - both should be retained against Freo, although Sandi would be a handful for Wood (as he would be for Warnock come to think of it). Anyhow, I'd roll the dice with those two.
Judd looked very fresh and was excellent along with the old firm of Simmo, Murph and Gibbs (who looks like a new man!). Waite and Hendo also good. In fact I noticed Waite doing a bit of defensive work too which will no doubt please MM and ensure his retention.
Let's see how we go in the west next game first but maybe a few green shoots appearing?
Is it a coincidence that with Warnock, Walker and McLean missing, we were sharper with the ball and able to spread the best of the year? We were cleaner off half back and kicked with confidence to packs, Simmo moved back behind the ball and look what happens.
Is it a coincidence that with Warnock, Walker and McLean missing, we were sharper with the ball and able to spread the best of the year? We were cleaner off half back and kicked with confidence to packs, Simmo moved back behind the ball and look what happens.
I was certainly thinking our midfield looked sharper and quicker without Brock Ray. He is very slow to get to the ball and that significantly reduces our capacity to contest and tackle. Graham should be given his chance now.
Walker always looks better forward to me anyway and that's where I think we should focus him for the future. I need to see Wood play well for a few more games before I would write off Warnock.
Is it a coincidence that with Warnock, Walker and McLean missing, we were sharper with the ball and able to spread the best of the year? We were cleaner off half back and kicked with confidence to packs, Simmo moved back behind the ball and look what happens.
I was certainly thinking our midfield looked sharper and quicker without Brock Ray. He is very slow to get to the ball and that significantly reduces our capacity to contest and tackle. Graham should be given his chance now.
Walker always looks better forward to me anyway and that's where I think we should focus him for the future. I need to see Wood play well for a few more games before I would write off Warnock.
Seriously it doesn't matter about the ruck for the rest of the year. I'm just praying for a fully fit Kruezer, Warnock is not the answer, in fact he is a liability. When the ball was kicked to Wood in the forward 50 I expected him to mark it. Anytime Warnock marks the ball I am genuinely surprised. That shouldn't happen with ruckmen nowdays, Cox and Stynes broke the mold some years ago, the plodding ruckman is a dinosaur, Warnock should be extinct.
Not sure Graham has much more pace than Brock, and Wood may well be slower than Warnock.
I did notice that from HB we were not bombing the ball as much, we were far more patient and considered in our use of the ball. I think this is where 1AW isn't well suited to the HBF, he tends to see ball, get ball, bomb ball. I think opposition know this and tend to drag him deep as a result, I'd rather see him used up the ground pushing forward to get him within scoring range and leave the back-line pressure stuff to cooler heads.
Perhaps 1AW needs to be in the forward rotation with Yarran!
This is probably not the right place for this question, but ....
When Petrie was tackled and he was trying to avoid going through for a point and wanting the boundary line, why wasn't he pinged for holding the ball? He was making absolutely no attempt to get rid of the ball he was simply aiming to get to the boundary.
@Raydan
Agree about Kreuzer, he is a better option IMO than Warnock on his day but all I'm saying is that we should have a backup in case of problems. If Wood goes OK then he could be it and we should look for a project ruck in the draft/trade periods. However, we shouldn't write off i.e. trade out Warnock until we see how that all works out.
@Raydan
Agree about Kreuzer, he is a better option IMO than Warnock on his day but all I'm saying is that we should have a backup in case of problems. If Wood goes OK then he could be it and we should look for a project ruck in the draft/trade periods. However, we shouldn't write off i.e. trade out Warnock until we see how that all works out.
Agree we need backups.
But when I read these comments I can't help but think the poster is hanging onto Warnock winning tap outs as some sort of plus, in reality it is a mirage!
Trade Warnock and then draft and trade for another two, a 18 year old and a 30 year old. We need a younger ruck who is 4 or 5 years in the system before they mature, and we need a mature ruck because rucks get injured so often, that is four on the list at all times!
Is it a coincidence that with Warnock, Walker and McLean missing, we were sharper with the ball and able to spread the best of the year? We were cleaner off half back and kicked with confidence to packs, Simmo moved back behind the ball and look what happens.
I was certainly thinking our midfield looked sharper and quicker without Brock Ray. He is very slow to get to the ball and that significantly reduces our capacity to contest and tackle. Graham should be given his chance now.
Walker always looks better forward to me anyway and that's where I think we should focus him for the future. I need to see Wood play well for a few more games before I would write off Warnock.
Seriously it doesn't matter about the ruck for the rest of the year. I'm just praying for a fully fit Kruezer, Warnock is not the answer, in fact he is a liability. When the ball was kicked to Wood in the forward 50 I expected him to mark it. Anytime Warnock marks the ball I am genuinely surprised. That shouldn't happen with ruckmen nowdays, Cox and Stynes broke the mold some years ago, the plodding ruckman is a dinosaur, Warnock should be extinct.
x2 on Warnock.....Wood puts his arms up straight to mark and gets full extension, a lot of Warnocks marks are attempted with bent arms and he never looks in good position.
He is extinct IMO and you cant have ruckman who can only tap the ball, they have to be able to play forward and provide a threat....
@Raydan
Agree about Kreuzer, he is a better option IMO than Warnock on his day but all I'm saying is that we should have a backup in case of problems. If Wood goes OK then he could be it and we should look for a project ruck in the draft/trade periods. However, we shouldn't write off i.e. trade out Warnock until we see how that all works out.
Agree we need backups.
But when I read these comments I can't help but think the poster is hanging onto Warnock winning tap outs as some sort of plus, in reality it is a mirage!
Trade Warnock and then draft and trade for another two, a 18 year old and a 30 year old. We need a younger ruck who is 4 or 5 years in the system before they mature, and we need a mature ruck because rucks get injured so often, that is four on the list at all times!
Bring back Hampson then eh LP? He's not getting a game at the Tiges ATM. ;)
Bring back Hampson then eh LP? He's not getting a game at the Tiges ATM. ;)
Even Nthmond understand you need at least four rucks, they would have been stuffed for the first 11 rounds of this season if they hadn't traded for Hampson. You can bag Hampson, but that says more about yourself, Hampson was the 2nd choice for the Nthmond 1st ruck ahead of all except Maric, and Maric would be our 1st choice as well!
FYI, they have six rucks(All rucks as juniors, who played part-time KPP.), three of which double as KPPs in Maric(200cm), Hampson(201cm), Griffiths(200cm), Vickery(200cm), McBean(202) and Stephenson(200cm). Certainly you can only play two, but when they get injured they get value from the spares!
You can make light of the ruck debate, but the club is going to have it like it or not!
By comparison we have been hamstrung by the lack of options!
Wood was smashed in the ruck. Was good around the ground though. He ain't the solution but definitely keep him on the list.
If warnock has currency, trade him, if not retain. Will be interesting to see if anything happens with kruezer
@LP
Steady on mate, your reading things that aren't there again.
But your saying we're very short of ruck options but at the same time we should get rid of one of the few we have? ::)
@LP
Steady on mate, your reading things that aren't there again.
But your saying we're very short of ruck options but at the same time we should get rid of one of the few we have? ::)
I'm saying trade out one who has some currency for nuffas who think the tap is everything, and then bring in two, drafting one 18 year old and a trade late for an older backup!
@LP
Steady on mate, your reading things that aren't there again.
But your saying we're very short of ruck options but at the same time we should get rid of one of the few we have? ::)
I'm saying trade out one who has some currency for nuffas who think the tap is everything, and then bring in two, drafting one 18 year old and a trade late for an older backup!
So we'd end up with Kreuz, two backups and a kid?
Wood was smashed in the ruck. Was good around the ground though. He ain't the solution but definitely keep him on the list.
If warnock has currency, trade him, if not retain. Will be interesting to see if anything happens with kruezer
I agree. Wood wasn't great in the ruck at all. He was good around the ground. Warnock must be nervous at the moment if Kreuzer has a chance of coming good again. One of Warnock or Kreuzer could very likely be moved on at the end of this season or the next.
Wood was smashed in the ruck. Was good around the ground though. He ain't the solution but definitely keep him on the list.
If warnock has currency, trade him, if not retain. Will be interesting to see if anything happens with kruezer
I agree. Wood wasn't great in the ruck at all. He was good around the ground. Warnock must be nervous at the moment if Kreuzer has a chance of coming good again. One of Warnock or Kreuzer could very likely be moved on at the end of this season or the next.
Wood gave a contest. He may not taken the spoils in the hitouts, but he gave Norf something to think about around the ground.
Spud 206 offers SFA.
I'm saying trade out one who has some currency for nuffas who think the tap is everything, and then bring in two, drafting one 18 year old and a trade late for an older backup!
So we'd end up with Kreuz, two backups and a kid?
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One more than we have now!
That would be four rucks Kreuzer, Wood, Kid and Veteran with Casboult, Rowe and Watson as backups.
I'm saying trade out one who has some currency for nuffas who think the tap is everything, and then bring in two, drafting one 18 year old and a trade late for an older backup!
So we'd end up with Kreuz, two backups and a kid?
One more than we have now!
That would be four rucks Kreuzer, Wood, Kid and Veteran with Casboult, Rowe and Watson as backups.
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Kreuzer, Failed Pie, two unknowns and three second stringers?
I'd rather a ruck that plays well around the ground. Winning taps at center bounces is overrated. Especially if it's like Warnock hitting it down the throat of the opposition. As long as your mids are covering men rather than trying to make space, I reckon you can be just as effective at winning clearances.
If Kreuzer can be fit, and stay fit, he will be a nice addition in 2015. After only one game, Wood seems to be able to offer more than Warnock. He doesn't win as many taps, but that as I said above, most of Warnock's taps have been going to opposition in clear space for an easy clearance.
I'd rather a ruck that plays well around the ground. Winning taps at center bounces is overrated. Especially if it's like Warnock hitting it down the throat of the opposition. As long as your mids are covering men rather than trying to make space, I reckon you can be just as effective at winning clearances.
If Kreuzer can be fit, and stay fit, he will be a nice addition in 2015. After only one game, Wood seems to be able to offer more than Warnock. He doesn't win as many taps, but that as I said above, most of Warnock's taps have been going to opposition in clear space for an easy clearance.
+1.
Woods influence was immense Friday night. i was there and I watched the replay!!
Wood has played ONE game. I will make my call after seeing how he goes for the rest of the season.
It felt nice having ruckman that actually looked like taking a mark for once. Haven't had one since Sauce.
It felt nice having ruckman that actually looked like taking a mark for once. Haven't had one since Sauce.
Hopefully he can do it again Carrots.
Wood has played ONE game. I will make my call after seeing how he goes for the rest of the season.
Yet he took two years worth of marks by 206 standards!
Wood has played ONE game. I will make my call after seeing how he goes for the rest of the season.
Yet he took two years worth of marks by 206 standards!
Now your getting hysterical again. ;)
Wood has played ONE game. I will make my call after seeing how he goes for the rest of the season.
I agree.
I hope he gets the chance to string together a few games so we can have a look at how well he goes.
He doesn't have too high a bar to get over though.
Wood has played ONE game. I will make my call after seeing how he goes for the rest of the season.
Yet he took two years worth of marks by 206 standards!
Now your getting hysterical again. ;)
Reckon there might be a coaching issue as he was nabbing a reasonable number at Freo. Like MK, they found out the body contact issue and it was all over and we could never help these guys out in overcoming it
Essendon play one ruckman... 196cm Paddy Ryder , he seems to get the footy about 20 times a game, had 35 hitouts or close to it vs Will Minson(AA last year)on the weekend, kicked 2 goals and was one of the best of the ground.
I'd rather a ruckman who can get the footy and be useful in more than one area of the game...like Ryder.
If anyone can maker a case for a stiff like Warnock who cannot contribute in other fashion other than tap outs the let me know.....
A bit late with my take, but here it is anyway....
Carlton supporters went nuts in the last quarter on Friday night – a lot of relief that this mob can actually play......most complete game we’ve played for a long time. Goes to show how much the game is played above the shoulders.
Waite – said to my mate before the game started when I saw Waite out there “He’ll never get a better opportunity to show he belongs at this level & in this team....” and he duly delivered. Has he ever played a more complete game? Saving mark in defence, then not 3 mins later he’s on the end of a terrific bit of play for a goal....brilliant stuff. Watching the replay, he was clearly enjoying the win. When Hendo took a mark to line up for his 6th, you could clearly see Waite in the background yell out “Wooooo!!!” twice, then after the game he was yelling it out again as the players came together on the ground. Says to me he desperately wants to remain both an AFL player.....and a Carlton one at that. What he needs to do though is follow that performance up with something similar this week. No point making this his one grand performance of the year.
Gibbs – no longer can be accused of being an outside mid, his grunt work right now is beyond belief, cracks in as hard as Joel Selwood & his finishing in front of goal.....no-one snaps better than Bryce right now. Travelling as well as any player in the AFL right now.
Murph – worked his way into the game, with Gibbs’ form enabling Murph to get off the chain a lot more. His kicking can still be a bit iffy at times, but geez me moves smoothly when he has the ball in his hands and gut runs. Would like to see him hit the scoreboard a lot more though.
Yazz – silk, pure silk. Though his kicking was a bit hit ‘n miss for the first few rounds this year, but right now it is elite.
Wood – Robbie who? Big Robbie would’ve been most uncomfortable watching Big Cam on Friday night. Although generally beaten in the hitouts, his work around the ground was second-to-none as far as ruckmen go. Numerous marks, 2 shots on goal, used the ball well & usually in good field position during general play.....what more can you ask? Goldstein did sweet FA around the ground.
Rowe – thought he’d match-up well with Petrie on the drive in to the game, as they’re both of similar builds & Rowe duly obliterated him. His turnaround in form & confidence as the year has progressed is both astounding & outstanding. That defensive set-up of Rowe-White-Jamo-Tuohy-Yarran-Simmo is actually fairly competitive.
Hendo – that was 100% the Hendo I remember from last year – let’s hope he finishes off the season strongly.
Graham – how good was that goal!? Not just the sublime finish (and celebration!!!), but the bump on Goldstein (and recovery) to assist Simmo. Everitt’s injury was a blessing in disguise for Nick, who I reckon more than showed he belongs at this level.
Docherty – more than a handy player isn’t he? Got a real touch of class about him & a really good get for this Club.
Curnow – I got concerned about halfway through the game about this bloke. Boomer hadn’t been prominent, but had kicked 2 & set up another couple, whilst Ed seemed to be struggling & that shot for goal was a shocker.....but then by game’s end Harvey hadn’t had a sniff in the 2nd half = comprehensive Curnow win.....and a big tick.
Need to mention Casboult......his stats weren’t great – however, what he does do is that his now enhanced reputation as a serious offensive threat in the air means he gets serious defensive attention = the likes of Hendo & Waite get less = Hendo kicks 6, Waite kicks 4. If Waite stays on course, then we’ve got ourselves a seriously potent forward line in Waite-Casboult-Hendo.
Not sure what to make of Daisy’s game. More ‘meh’ than anything else. His defensive pressure is excellent, I'll give him that, but needs to get more involved. Thought Bell played a good, tough, running midfielder’s game, but geez – Ellard is just a plodder & nothing more.....
Despite having 4 kicked on him, thought Tuohy’s game was good. Thomas got a couple of his usual cheapies (I can’t stand him), but Tuohy seems to be rediscovering his attacking flair, which I love & is important to this team.
It's a tough gig next week (or week after to be exact), but the challenge is there......
Essendon play one ruckman... 196cm Paddy Ryder , he seems to get the footy about 20 times a game, had 35 hitouts or close to it vs Will Minson(AA last year)on the weekend, kicked 2 goals and was one of the best of the ground.
I'd rather a ruckman who can get the footy and be useful in more than one area of the game...like Ryder.
If anyone can maker a case for a stiff like Warnock who cannot contribute in other fashion other than tap outs the let me know.....
It's not an issue of making a case for Warnock EB, more about not denuding our ruck stocks before we've properly assessed all available options. Kreuzer has been injury prone and many on here have their reservations about him anyway. Wood has still to prove himself over sustained appearances. All other current options are second stringers at best. A young kid would be unlikely to deliver for several years. Going to the market is fraught with uncertainty. I'm making a case for being prudent.
Reckon there might be a coaching issue as he was nabbing a reasonable number at Freo. Like MK, they found out the body contact issue and it was all over and we could never help these guys out in overcoming it
Warnock's been a church mouse since Corey Enright punched him in the side of the head, took almost a day for the effects to register! :D
Reckon there might be a coaching issue as he was nabbing a reasonable number at Freo. Like MK, they found out the body contact issue and it was all over and we could never help these guys out in overcoming it
That is so true re the body contact issue and also positional sense as well. May even have something to do with reading the flight of the ball but these two are just plain awful. Warnock is worse than the Kreuz however. Either way it's a glaring deficiency to have as a ruckman.
Is it a coincidence that with Warnock, Walker and McLean missing, we were sharper with the ball and able to spread the best of the year? We were cleaner off half back and kicked with confidence to packs, Simmo moved back behind the ball and look what happens.
I was certainly thinking our midfield looked sharper and quicker without Brock Ray. He is very slow to get to the ball and that significantly reduces our capacity to contest and tackle. Graham should be given his chance now.
Walker always looks better forward to me anyway and that's where I think we should focus him for the future. I need to see Wood play well for a few more games before I would write off Warnock.
Seriously it doesn't matter about the ruck for the rest of the year. I'm just praying for a fully fit Kruezer, Warnock is not the answer, in fact he is a liability. When the ball was kicked to Wood in the forward 50 I expected him to mark it. Anytime Warnock marks the ball I am genuinely surprised. That shouldn't happen with ruckmen nowdays, Cox and Stynes broke the mold some years ago, the plodding ruckman is a dinosaur, Warnock should be extinct.
Unbelievable a 206cm guy has had 14 marks for the year... The Year!
That is so true re the body contact issue and also positional sense as well. May even have something to do with reading the flight of the ball but these two are just plain awful. Warnock is worse than the Kreuz however. Either way it's a glaring deficiency to have as a ruckman.
Kreuzer is not shy of body contact, except perhaps being cautious when he flies for a mark which is possibly understandable given his leg injury history.
At ground level Kreuzer around ruck contests and stoppages Kreuzer is as physical as any in the competition, ask Darren Jolly or the bulk of the Sydney Swans!
Warnock is timid just about everywhere, so much so opposition rucks now take advantage of it to put him out of the contest!
It felt nice having ruckman that actually looked like taking a mark for once. Haven't had one since Sauce.
Hopefully he can do it again Carrots.
I remember the pre-season game against North Melbourne and he was very similar. Marking alot and kicked a couple of goals including the clincher, for what it's worth in a pre-season game. A Collingwood mate told me he had talent but at the time was also young. Reckons now he's mature he'll be good. I'll happily lose a few taps to gain alot around the ground. It's like adding an extra player even if Wood is no superstar. We won the clearances anyway.
Kreuzer is not shy of body contact, except perhaps being cautious when he flies for a mark which is possibly understandable given his leg injury history.
Yeah not saying he's trying to avoid it there's no questioning the man's courage, what I'm saying is he doesn't seem to be able to deal with ie. he's knocked off balance too easily. He needs to initiate contact himself and make some space to run and jump at the ball. Until he learns how to do this it will be much the same IMO.
I thought he held his own in the ruck, and some of his hitouts were more to advantage than Warnock.
For all of the crape-canning posts about 206, what's the betting he's still on our books next year for whatever reason?
For all of the crape-canning posts about 206, what's the betting he's still on our books next year for whatever reason?
Even money!
If Wood and Kreuzer are fit and healthy whats the chance of 206 getting a game next season, who will he displace Rowe, Casboult??? Tell him he's dreaming!
Maybe 206 can be the veteran backup for the regulars? ;)
Hendo very, very, very slowly turning the wheel. The Waite inclusion didn't do any harm but you've been seeing ever so slow progress in the right direction. Hopefully it results in a strong end to the season.
For all of the crape-canning posts about 206, what's the betting he's still on our books next year for whatever reason?
Even money!
If Wood and Kreuzer are fit and healthy whats the chance of 206 getting a game next season, who will he displace Rowe, Casboult??? Tell him he's dreaming!
Maybe 206 can be the veteran backup for the regulars? ;)
Couple of VERY BIG ifs there mate! ;)
The guy has no stamina and is a rake. Why does his day not consist entirely of eating, not like it will impact his ability to run out games.
Couple of VERY BIG ifs there mate! ;)
Care to analyse games played out of possible games played for both Warnock and Kreuzer, want to take a guess?
I'll give you the answer.
Warnock has played 65% of possible games and Kreuzer has played 72%.
Lets not have perceptions distort reality! ;)
Lets not have perceptions distort reality! ;)
This is the forum, perceptions are the reality!
BTW Nice to read a positive report from Brettie.
Couple of VERY BIG ifs there mate! ;)
Care to analyse games played out of possible games played for both Warnock and Kreuzer, want to take a guess?
I'll give you the answer.
Warnock has played 65% of possible games and Kreuzer has played 72%.
Lets not have perceptions distort reality! ;)
I'm looking at Kreuz's recent history which is not great injury wise - he's had ongoing issues and repeated breakdowns. When he's fit, firing and consistently on the park I'll be more convinced.
Anyway, in case you hadn't noticed, I'm in NO WAY trying to compare Warnock to Kreuzer or anyone else. Unlike you I don't keep a pet ruckman so I'm really not advocating for any one of 'em. (If I had to choose, MK would be it if fit). I'm posting about risk management and any plan that's based on too many "ifs" is a crape one in my book. Anyway, I know you're obsessed with this topic so I will now sign off on it and waste no more of my time.
Wow just saw some pretty full on footage from the game on AFL 360. Malthouse was giving it to Robbo and Robbo sort of said 'yeah mate whatever' and rolled his eyes! So anyway Mick kept baking him and Robbo just walked off on him, you could see Mick really ark up and start following him continuing the bake. Robbo had the 'fk I'm over this shight' look on his face.
I'm not posting this to rubbish either person here as I can imagine Robbo would be pretty frustrating but I thought it was quite interesting anyway.
It's like that crazy girlfriend who once you set off just keeps coming and coming and coming... :))
Wow just saw some pretty full on footage from the game on AFL 360. Malthouse was giving it to Robbo and Robbo sort of said 'yeah mate whatever' and rolled his eyes! So anyway Mick kept baking him and Robbo just walked off on him, you could see Mick really ark up and start following him continuing the bake. Robbo had the 'fk I'm over this shight' look on his face.
I'm not posting this to rubbish either person here as I can imagine Robbo would be pretty frustrating but I thought it was quite interesting anyway.
In past interviews, Mick has indicated that Robbo is frustrating to coach, or to similar effect.
Wow just saw some pretty full on footage from the game on AFL 360. Malthouse was giving it to Robbo and Robbo sort of said 'yeah mate whatever' and rolled his eyes! So anyway Mick kept baking him and Robbo just walked off on him, you could see Mick really ark up and start following him continuing the bake. Robbo had the 'fk I'm over this shight' look on his face.
I'm not posting this to rubbish either person here as I can imagine Robbo would be pretty frustrating but I thought it was quite interesting anyway.
In past interviews, Mick has indicated that Robbo is frustrating to coach, or to similar effect.
Yeah during a post match he made reference, or lack thereof , to Mitch (after being asked by a Journo's) which I interpreted as saying that he finds Mitch frustrating and thick. Although nothing that hasn't been implied countless times in blues forums, and not any worse than other coaches comments about certain players.
Mick actually said very little about Robbo, which is why I got the impression I did.