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Title: VFL Rd 14: Northern Blues vs Geelong
Post by: crashlander on July 05, 2016, 02:41:14 pm
Thus game was set for Ikon Park, but has again been moved to Preston. Still on Saturday at 1400.
The curtain raiser is a female game starting at 1100.

I don't know why the game is being moved. I can't imagine that the ground is in any worse condition that Preston is (the middle there is shocking). However, that is how it is working out.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 14: Northern Blues vs Geelong
Post by: crashlander on July 07, 2016, 08:58:28 pm
Northern Blues v Geelong
 Saturday 9th July, 2016
 Preston City Oval at 2.00pm       

Northern Blues

B: 38. B Gowers 31. J Foster 7. D Buckley
HB: 26. M Dick 27. M Jamison 65. D Viojo
C: 76. J Tutt 32. N Graham 51. B Boekhorst
HF: 79. A Walker 48. K Jaksch 46. L Sumner
F: 49. D Armfield 14. L Jones 20. A Everitt
R: 36. C Wood 42. M Whiley 1. T Wilson
Int: 67. C Smith 45. D Stevens 10. T Totevski 30. S Bolger 4. S Russell 6. G Strachan 12. Z Ballard 37. T Jones 23. H Kerbatieh 24. T Roos 58. C Curnow 80. M Korcheck

23P: 21. C Barrett
    
This team will not line up this way. At least 5 guys won't be there, 1 certain Emergency won't play nor the senior Interchange.
I don't think Charlie Curnow will play either. he will probably have a full game at Development League level.

 
Geelong

B: 34. J Parsons 67. T Stewart 20. R Gardner
HB: 27. S Menegola 24. J Bews 16. S Selwood
C: 33. G Horlin-Smith 51. J Tsitas 39. S Kersten
HF: 18. J Cowan 66. J Edwards 64. T Atkins
F: 30. N Vardy 1. R Stanley 69. W Sexton
R: 42. P Lucey 28. C Gregson 37. M Luxford
Int: 74. M Thompson 63. S Dobson 52. A Hickey 58. R Abbott 61. B Raidme 50. R Williams 65. S McLachlan 71. B Haintz
  
23P: 73. T House
 
Title: Re: VFL Rd 14: Northern Blues vs Geelong
Post by: crashlander on July 07, 2016, 09:07:36 pm
Frankston vs Northern Blues
Sunday 10th July, 2016
Frankston Oval at 11.00 am

Frankston

B: 13. C Buchan 19. A Beech 47. A Valetini
HB: 20. N Foote 50. J Duscher 35. B Bailey
C: R Exon 22. J Peet 7. B Irving
HF: J Mahon 37. J Soroczynski 62. J Treloar
F: 63. H Thomas 18. N Gardiner 34. H Prior
R: 68. J Bubb 21. J Gleeson 32. P Rosier
Int: 51. D Payne 59. S Pickess 30. A Giobbi J Cooper 54. J Wheeler 42. B Wells 61. M Debenham J Hammond 24. J Bastinac
 
Emg: 39. D Gawley
    

Northern Blues

B: 22. D Aujla 50. B Jordan 4. S Russell
HB: 24. T Roos 41. J Cripps 54. C McCabe
C: 35. K Declase 25. A Brown 6. G Strachan
HF: 5. J Cyster 58. C Curnow 23. H Kerbatieh
F: 67. C Smith 30. S Bolger 10. T Totevski
R: 73. A Aurrichio 60. D Cuningham 12. Z Ballard
Int: 82. D Iermano 3. F Russell 78. M Walson 66. M Dawson 70. S Peet 9. J Corboy 53. H Payne 45. D Stevens 84. M Vesnaver  55. W Krithararis 13. C Adams 74. B Malual
 
Frazer Russell's 1st game for 2016. Good to see Cuningham back.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 14: Northern Blues vs Geelong
Post by: townsendcalling on July 07, 2016, 09:35:52 pm
No McKay????
Title: Re: VFL Rd 14: Northern Blues vs Geelong
Post by: crashlander on July 07, 2016, 09:53:56 pm
No, and no mention anywhere.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 14: Northern Blues vs Geelong
Post by: Robblues on July 08, 2016, 12:38:53 pm
Didnt he pull out sick from last weeks team? So still crook , or something else , hope not the latter
Title: Re: VFL Rd 14: Northern Blues vs Geelong
Post by: crashlander on July 09, 2016, 03:01:23 pm
Appalling start again by the NBs. No goals in the first quarter.
DISPOSALS: Wilson 8, Dick 8, Jaksch 7, Gowers 6, Tutt 6, Buckley 5.

Tutt kicks our 1st midway through the 2nd quarter:
NBs 1 - 7 - 13
Geel 10 - 6 - 66
Title: Re: VFL Rd 14: Northern Blues vs Geelong
Post by: crashlander on July 09, 2016, 03:13:16 pm
2 quick goals before the half time siren and the Blues are merely behind instead of disgraceful.

NBs 3 - 7 - 25
Geel 10 - 6 - 66

Bad kicking is bad football, and we had 7 behinds up before we managed a goal. They had 9 goals to that point. That does not say much positive about our starts. Last week we lost it in the 1st quarter: looks like we are trying to repeat it.

GOALS: Tutt, Strachan, Viojo-Rainbow.
DISPOSALS: Dick 16, Wilson 14, Tutt 11, Buckley 11, Jaksch 10, Kerbatieh 9.

Last week we started poorly, but Wood came good, to produce his best game of the year. We really need a repeat, but Wood's form has been less than impressive this year. Korchek is very much learning.

It looks like Graham is the emergency and is not playing.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 14: Northern Blues vs Geelong
Post by: crashlander on July 09, 2016, 03:40:34 pm
A goal to Geelong, followed by one to Whiley.
NBs 4 - 7 - 31
Geelong 11 - 7 - 73
Title: Re: VFL Rd 14: Northern Blues vs Geelong
Post by: crashlander on July 09, 2016, 03:50:28 pm
Charlie Curnow gets his 1st VFL goal (!) after good work by Gowers.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 14: Northern Blues vs Geelong
Post by: crashlander on July 09, 2016, 03:59:12 pm
3/4 time and the game is gone, but the effort appears to have been better that quarter.

Northern 5 - 9 - 39
Geelong 13 - 9 - 87

GOALS: Tutt, Strachan, Viojo-Rainbow, Whiley, Curnow.

DISPOSALS: Dick 24, Wilson 23, Jaksch 18, Tutt 15, Kerbatieh 15, Whiley 14.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 14: Northern Blues vs Geelong
Post by: crashlander on July 09, 2016, 04:05:50 pm
Wood takes a grab and converts.
I want to write this more often. :)

Four Geelong goals - from 2 missed tackles that were gettable, and some turnovers. Frustrating. We seem to have dropped our bundle somewhat.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 14: Northern Blues vs Geelong
Post by: crashlander on July 09, 2016, 04:16:40 pm
Big mark to Clem Smith, then a goal to Buckley.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 14: Northern Blues vs Geelong
Post by: crashlander on July 09, 2016, 04:31:40 pm
Northern 58
Geelong 125

Goal to Jones. But then Geelong reply.

It was Jones' 100th VFL goal.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 14: Northern Blues vs Geelong
Post by: crashlander on July 09, 2016, 04:37:58 pm
All over and that is the best you can say about it.
Northern Blues 8 - 11 - 59
Geelong 19 - 11 - 125

That isn't very good, but especially not after 3 decent quarters last week. Nor is there a lot t be positive about. I am sure those present will give us their opinions. Just don't expect them to be positive.

DISPOSALS: Dick 29, Wilson 24, Tutt 22, Jaksch 21, Kerbatieh 20, Buckley 19.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 14: Northern Blues vs Geelong
Post by: Jack Burton on July 09, 2016, 05:57:36 pm
Good to see Jaksch had plenty of the ball, we really need him to come good
Title: Re: VFL Rd 14: Northern Blues vs Geelong
Post by: Gointocarlton on July 09, 2016, 05:58:44 pm
Good to see Jaksch had plenty of the ball, we really need him to come good
Indeed, understatement of 2016 ;)
Title: Re: VFL Rd 14: Northern Blues vs Geelong
Post by: Blue Moon on July 09, 2016, 06:36:32 pm
Went to my first Northern Blues game for a couple of years. Stopped going when Carlton stopped caring whether they won or lost. Got there just before quarter time when the game was all over. I have a few observations about the Northern Blues and the future of some of the players based on this one observation. First off, if there is a choice between Dick, Foster, Whiley and Gower, I would take Gower, secondly if there is a choice between Tutt, Buckley and Smith, I would take Buckley and thirdly in regards to Jones, I would say the only thing worse than playing center half forward for Carlton at the moment would be playing center half forward for the Northern Blues. It is a very difficult job and I would keep Jones for the short term because he is making a massive effort. I think Jaksch should be given the chance to develop as a key defender, Wood and Jamison will be gone at the end of the season, and C Curnow looks like he is something. Korcheck needs to learn how to play the game. I think Boekhorst and Skittles are better than this grade of football but I am not sure they have the dedication or the application to go to the next level.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 14: Northern Blues vs Geelong
Post by: Baggers on July 09, 2016, 07:18:04 pm
All over and that is the best you can say about it.
Northern Blues 8 - 11 - 59
Geelong 19 - 11 - 125

That isn't very good, but especially not after 3 decent quarters last week. Nor is there a lot t be positive about. I am sure those present will give us their opinions. Just don't expect them to be positive.

DISPOSALS: Dick 29, Wilson 24, Tutt 22, Jaksch 21, Kerbatieh 20, Buckley 19.

You're right, Capt CRASH. Very few positives. The sun was out... that was a positive.

Nice summary from Blue Moon.

Fine day, no wind, bit of a glue pot in the middle which players seemed to want to avoid.

Again we started like the players had had a valium sandwich before the game.

Going to be tough for Josh Fraser to put a positive spin on the game and the efforts of many individuals.

Very, very discouraged by what I saw today. And really, to be ruthless, the only blokes from today that I would hang on to for 2017, for various reasons would be: Buckley and Curnow. Maybe Jones, Jaksch and Boekhorst. The bottom line is we're pretty p1ss poor. There's little point in scratching around for a glimmer of hope then expanding it into something it aint. There are a lot of blokes pulling on the CFC Guernsey who shouldn't be. Billy G had a real chance today but didn't grab it. Did a couple of nice things but gave it back to the opposition way to often... and he had plenty of mates (whose disposal was just awful).

Don't be seduced by the high possession count from Jaksch, he was allowed to roam loose in defence and picked up a lot of easy ball - god knows it was in our defence often enough. He did take a few nice marks... but that is all - Jones is better, at least he attacks the aggot and breaks packs. He took some good grabs today but, bottom line, at very, very best... a depth player.

Gee we got stiffed on the Jaksch/Whiley deal. Whiley is good at getting in; being first to the ball; contesting hard... the problems begin when he gets the ball. He either gets caught with it or doesn't seem to know what to do with it or hangs onto it too long or gives it to the opposition.

Dick? Slow. Sort of bloke who'd be a reliable seconds player for life. Bye bye.

Boekhorst? Again, a few nice things but gave it back to the opposition too often. A few glimpses of hope but sheesh he'd want to improve a great deal to be a dangerous senior player.

Foster? Bye bye.

Wood? Was okay today, nothing spectacular. What has happened to him? Seems to have gone backwards this year.

Curnow? Once the iceblocks were chipped off him (our forwards should have brought a hot water bottle) in the 2nd qtr he was given a run on the ball. Nothing flash. Needs more game time though running around in the NBs might do more harm than good!

Rainbow? Was a liability early but improved gradually to become of little use.

Smith? Continues to give his all and bounce all over the place but rarely hurts the opposition with disposal or on the scoreboard. Did take mark of the day in the last qtr... then, from about 40 out managed to almost hit the behind post!

Tutt? Got plenty, which was good for Geelong because he was quite good at giving back to them, or hanging onto it too long and run around in circles even confusing his team mates, or he'd just bang it onto his boot and pray. Bye bye.

Korcheck? When a bloke who is still learning the caper looks as good or better than many of his team mates... oh dear!

Jammo was obviously rusty but his defensive work was good, some very timely spoils and will be better for the run. Looks to have trimmed a few kilos.

McKasker didn't play.

McKay was roaming around in shorts and a tee shirt... didn't seem to be any sign of a flu! What's really going on there?

I really, really wish I could be more positive but based on what we've dished up in the seconds of recent months (except against Box Hill when they had a good number of their key personnel missing) you'd have to conclude that we must rip the guts out of the list again this year.


Title: Re: VFL Rd 14: Northern Blues vs Geelong
Post by: Mondy on July 09, 2016, 08:34:35 pm
Boekhurst is a major disappointment.  He should be a regular in the firsts. Another high draft pick that it looks we got horribly wrong.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 14: Northern Blues vs Geelong
Post by: Professer E on July 09, 2016, 08:51:08 pm
Looking on the bright side Blue Moon/Baggers/River Rat, the NBs might not be playing well but it is becoming clearer who is going to make it and ain't.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 14: Northern Blues vs Geelong
Post by: bratblue on July 09, 2016, 09:23:11 pm
Boekhurst is a major disappointment.  He should be a regular in the firsts. Another high draft pick that it looks we got horribly wrong.

Boekey was holding his place in the seniors until he was injured and would still be a regular if not for that.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 14: Northern Blues vs Geelong
Post by: crashlander on July 09, 2016, 09:23:59 pm
You're right, Capt CRASH. Very few positives. The sun was out... that was a positive.

Nice summary from Blue Moon.

Fine day, no wind, bit of a glue pot in the middle which players seemed to want to avoid.

Again we started like the players had had a valium sandwich before the game.

Going to be tough for Josh Fraser to put a positive spin on the game and the efforts of many individuals.

Very, very discouraged by what I saw today. And really, to be ruthless, the only blokes from today that I would hang on to for 2017, for various reasons would be: Buckley and Curnow. Maybe Jones, Jaksch and Boekhorst. The bottom line is we're pretty p1ss poor. There's little point in scratching around for a glimmer of hope then expanding it into something it aint. There are a lot of blokes pulling on the CFC Guernsey who shouldn't be. Billy G had a real chance today but didn't grab it. Did a couple of nice things but gave it back to the opposition way to often... and he had plenty of mates (whose disposal was just awful).

Don't be seduced by the high possession count from Jaksch, he was allowed to roam loose in defence and picked up a lot of easy ball - god knows it was in our defence often enough. He did take a few nice marks... but that is all - Jones is better, at least he attacks the aggot and breaks packs. He took some good grabs today but, bottom line, at very, very best... a depth player.

Gee we got stiffed on the Jaksch/Whiley deal. Whiley is good at getting in; being first to the ball; contesting hard... the problems begin when he gets the ball. He either gets caught with it or doesn't seem to know what to do with it or hangs onto it too long or gives it to the opposition.

Dick? Slow. Sort of bloke who'd be a reliable seconds player for life. Bye bye.

Boekhorst? Again, a few nice things but gave it back to the opposition too often. A few glimpses of hope but sheesh he'd want to improve a great deal to be a dangerous senior player.

Foster? Bye bye.

Wood? Was okay today, nothing spectacular. What has happened to him? Seems to have gone backwards this year.

Curnow? Once the iceblocks were chipped off him (our forwards should have brought a hot water bottle) in the 2nd qtr he was given a run on the ball. Nothing flash. Needs more game time though running around in the NBs might do more harm than good!

Rainbow? Was a liability early but improved gradually to become of little use.

Smith? Continues to give his all and bounce all over the place but rarely hurts the opposition with disposal or on the scoreboard. Did take mark of the day in the last qtr... then, from about 40 out managed to almost hit the behind post!

Tutt? Got plenty, which was good for Geelong because he was quite good at giving back to them, or hanging onto it too long and run around in circles even confusing his team mates, or he'd just bang it onto his boot and pray. Bye bye.

Korcheck? When a bloke who is still learning the caper looks as good or better than many of his team mates... oh dear!

Jammo was obviously rusty but his defensive work was good, some very timely spoils and will be better for the run. Looks to have trimmed a few kilos.

McKasker didn't play.

McKay was roaming around in shorts and a tee shirt... didn't seem to be any sign of a flu! What's really going on there?

I really, really wish I could be more positive but based on what we've dished up in the seconds of recent months (except against Box Hill when they had a good number of their key personnel missing) you'd have to conclude that we must rip the guts out of the list again this year.
Thanks for the report, Baggers. I guess I was ready for it too: I paid too much attention to the game to be easily fooled.

For all the Carlton listed players out there, there just isn't enough being done by enough guys, not enough guys are playing like they have a future and the level of disposal just isn't good enough. Where has the early season spirit gone?
Title: Re: VFL Rd 14: Northern Blues vs Geelong
Post by: crashlander on July 09, 2016, 09:25:36 pm
Boekey was holding his place in the seniors until he was injured and would still be a regular if not for that.
Boekhorst is not going to get a spot back unless he starts to really show something. A few cameos just isn't enough.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 14: Northern Blues vs Geelong
Post by: crashlander on July 09, 2016, 09:38:07 pm
Peter Jackson VFL 2016
Northern Blues   0.3  3.7  5.9  8.11 (59)
Geelong   5.4  10.6  13.9  19.11 (125)

GOALS:
Northern Blues: Buckley  Jones  Wood  Strachan Tutt  Viojo  Curnow  Whiley
Geelong: Kersten 4 Gregson 2 Bews 2 Parsons 2 McLachlan  House  Lucey  Haintz  Horlin-Smith  Vardy  Atkins  Stanley  Selwood

BEST:
Northern Blues: Wilson Jones Korcheck Buckley Jaksch Strachan
Geelong: Parsons Kersten Horlin-Smith Atkins McLachlan Sexton

Korchek being in the best players is ominous, but Dick NOT being among the best suggests something about our disposals.
I don't know which Jones they are talking about, hence I have not changed the colour.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 14: Northern Blues vs Geelong
Post by: LP on July 09, 2016, 10:48:09 pm
Peter Jackson VFL 2016
Northern Blues   0.3  3.7  5.9  8.11 (59)
Geelong   5.4  10.6  13.9  19.11 (125)

GOALS:
Northern Blues: Buckley  Jones  Wood  Strachan Tutt  Viojo  Curnow  Whiley
Geelong: Kersten 4 Gregson 2 Bews 2 Parsons 2 McLachlan  House  Lucey  Haintz  Horlin-Smith  Vardy  Atkins  Stanley  Selwood

BEST:
Northern Blues: Wilson Jones Korcheck Buckley Jaksch Strachan
Geelong: Parsons Kersten Horlin-Smith Atkins McLachlan Sexton

Korchek being in the best players is ominous, but Dick NOT being among the best suggests something about our disposals.
I don't know which Jones they are talking about, hence I have not changed the colour.

The official sites say L. Jones.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 14: Northern Blues vs Geelong
Post by: Baggers on July 09, 2016, 10:53:05 pm
Peter Jackson VFL 2016
Northern Blues   0.3  3.7  5.9  8.11 (59)
Geelong   5.4  10.6  13.9  19.11 (125)

GOALS:
Northern Blues: Buckley  Jones  Wood  Strachan Tutt  Viojo  Curnow  Whiley
Geelong: Kersten 4 Gregson 2 Bews 2 Parsons 2 McLachlan  House  Lucey  Haintz  Horlin-Smith  Vardy  Atkins  Stanley  Selwood

BEST:
Northern Blues: Wilson Jones Korcheck Buckley Jaksch Strachan
Geelong: Parsons Kersten Horlin-Smith Atkins McLachlan Sexton

Korchek being in the best players is ominous, but Dick NOT being among the best suggests something about our disposals.
I don't know which Jones they are talking about, hence I have not changed the colour.

It'd be Liam Jones, CRASH.

I went to today's game really hoping to see something encouraging, especially from Boekhorst... didn't expect much from Charlie as he's coming off glandular fever but there was enough to see his class. Hopefully Gorringe (his improvement until injured was really something) and McKay can make an appearance next week.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 14: Northern Blues vs Geelong
Post by: jeza on July 09, 2016, 10:57:33 pm
Don't be seduced by the high possession count from Jaksch, he was allowed to roam loose in defence and picked up a lot of easy ball - god knows it was in our defence often enough. He did take a few nice marks... but that is all - Jones is better, at least he attacks the aggot and breaks packs. He took some good grabs today but, bottom line, at very, very best... a depth player.

I can't work out the Jaksch thing. In the top 5 for the league goal kicking and gets swung into defense when the team starts sh#tting the bed.

I think he can play but the reason for him not being given an AFL game in 16 rounds is bizarre. In all honesty I think it's complete fecking bullsheet.

Title: Re: VFL Rd 14: Northern Blues vs Geelong
Post by: laj on July 09, 2016, 11:12:49 pm
Alot has changed since early in the year. I saw this game first time round in Geelong, we won, were outstanding. Jones and Jaksch killed them. Jones seemed to worked hard but it was alot harder this time around. Good to see Jaksch doing well at both ends of the ground this year. We need a 2nd key forward in the seniors. When we've had one we've usually won, when we haven't we've struggled to kick 7-8 goals and lost.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 14: Northern Blues vs Geelong
Post by: RiverRat on July 10, 2016, 12:01:39 am
I can't work out the Jaksch thing. In the top 5 for the league goal kicking and gets swung into defense when the team starts sh#tting the bed.

I think he can play but the reason for him not being given an AFL game in 16 rounds is bizarre. In all honesty I think it's complete fecking bullsheet.

I pretty much agree with what Baggers said.

About the only positives I can say about Jaksch today are:

1. he can take a very clean overhead mark when he doesn't have an opponent - reminds me of Matthew Watson in that regard but he doesn't kick anywhere near as well or as accurately although - he does seem to try more.
2. he is much more productive than Mitchell or McCarthy used to be - although you could say the same about Watson
3. he is young and tall
Title: Re: VFL Rd 14: Northern Blues vs Geelong
Post by: sandsmere on July 10, 2016, 05:48:55 am
Thanks for the reports fellows.

Pity there's not much good news there.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 14: Northern Blues vs Geelong
Post by: Blue Moon on July 10, 2016, 10:53:00 am
There is one point that is a bit left field I would like to make about the game. In a lot of ways, there is more in yesterday's game for Carlton than Geelong. While Geelong won by 11 goals, their problems relate to their lack of run out of defence. They won so easily because of their mid-field dominance and big forwards, and they were too strong in close and ran too hard for the smaller and younger Northern Blues players. Their problem is Mackie, Enright and Bartels down back, all are very good to champion players. There was nothing in Geelong seconds to deal with this problems, so they are going to have to trade the likes of Vardy, Stanley and others to get half back flankers. At least with Carlton we have the likes of Curnow, McKay, Byrne Cunningham ahe can make a difference, while Buckley, Jaksch, Jones, Korcheck, Graham and Gowers could make a difference. That is one positive to take from the game.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 14: Northern Blues vs Geelong
Post by: DJC on July 10, 2016, 11:48:09 am
There is one point that is a bit left field I would like to make about the game. In a lot of ways, there is more in yesterday's game for Carlton than Geelong. While Geelong won by 11 goals, their problems relate to their lack of run out of defence. They won so easily because of their mid-field dominance and big forwards, and they were too strong in close and ran too hard for the smaller and younger Northern Blues players. Their problem is Mackie, Enright and Bartels down back, all are very good to champion players. There was nothing in Geelong seconds to deal with this problems, so they are going to have to trade the likes of Vardy, Stanley and others to get half back flankers. At least with Carlton we have the likes of Curnow, McKay, Byrne Cunningham ahe can make a difference, while Buckley, Jaksch, Jones, Korcheck, Graham and Gowers could make a difference. That is one positive to take from the game.

That is a very good point BM.

My experience of watching the NBs in the flesh was the win over Box Hill and there was a lot to like.  However, what I took away from the game was the way the NBs were emulating Bolton's approach and that there are a couple of players who could be competitive in the seniors and several more with the potential to do so.

It was also apparent that there are some pretty good non-Carlton listed NBs but others are barely at VFL standard.  Recruiting a couple of solid VFL standard players to provide leadership and more support for the Carlton listed players would help them achieve their potential.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 14: Northern Blues vs Geelong
Post by: Baggers on July 10, 2016, 11:48:25 am
There is one point that is a bit left field I would like to make about the game. In a lot of ways, there is more in yesterday's game for Carlton than Geelong. While Geelong won by 11 goals, their problems relate to their lack of run out of defence. They won so easily because of their mid-field dominance and big forwards, and they were too strong in close and ran too hard for the smaller and younger Northern Blues players. Their problem is Mackie, Enright and Bartels down back, all are very good to champion players. There was nothing in Geelong seconds to deal with this problems, so they are going to have to trade the likes of Vardy, Stanley and others to get half back flankers. At least with Carlton we have the likes of Curnow, McKay, Byrne Cunningham ahe can make a difference, while Buckley, Jaksch, Jones, Korcheck, Graham and Gowers could make a difference. That is one positive to take from the game.


I think you're right.

From early in the 2nd qtr to late in the last it was a pretty even contest. Jaksch loose in defence stopped some of the ease at which they were kicking goals - at one stage I thought it was the Casey game all over again only we didn't have a dominant mid yesterday like we did against Casey - Graham.

Curnow started the game at FF but the delivery to him was so seldom and so awful that he was given time on ball. From memory the only time Curnow had a chance was later in the game when Gowers shot a brilliant left footer to him that was lace out to a good lead. There were a few times when we actually looked good... chain of handpasses out of defence, good kicks to good leads but then it all fell apart on delivery to our forwards. Much like the seniors.

At least these passages of encouraging play gave us the impression that there is a game plan in place; a good game plan. We just aint got the folks to deliver it properly, yet. Our turnovers at times were unbelievable. Big Kreuz was sitting for a while near us and even he couldn't prevent the occasional groan at some of the horrible mistakes.

JEZA - I think I understand your confusion. The club has talked of him needing to be consistent to get a senior gig and on paper he's been just that (at VFL level). There must be another reason for him being on the nose that we're unaware of. Personally, I'd like to see him harder at the contest... seems a mark and kick dude who lacks physical flexibility and mental aggression.

Title: Re: VFL Rd 14: Northern Blues vs Geelong
Post by: laj on July 10, 2016, 12:44:48 pm

I think you're right.

From early in the 2nd qtr to late in the last it was a pretty even contest. Jaksch loose in defence stopped some of the ease at which they were kicking goals - at one stage I thought it was the Casey game all over again only we didn't have a dominant mid yesterday like we did against Casey - Graham.

Curnow started the game at FF but the delivery to him was so seldom and so awful that he was given time on ball. From memory the only time Curnow had a chance was later in the game when Gowers shot a brilliant left footer to him that was lace out to a good lead. There were a few times when we actually looked good... chain of handpasses out of defence, good kicks to good leads but then it all fell apart on delivery to our forwards. Much like the seniors.

At least these passages of encouraging play gave us the impression that there is a game plan in place; a good game plan. We just aint got the folks to deliver it properly, yet. Our turnovers at times were unbelievable. Big Kreuz was sitting for a while near us and even he couldn't prevent the occasional groan at some of the horrible mistakes.

JEZA - I think I understand your confusion. The club has talked of him needing to be consistent to get a senior gig and on paper he's been just that (at VFL level). There must be another reason for him being on the nose that we're unaware of. Personally, I'd like to see him harder at the contest... seems a mark and kick dude who lacks physical flexibility and mental aggression.

On the latter that's all ok except for the fact it Everitt who's keeping him out if you know what I mean. I prefer the tall key forward personally.

 If you don't give these players games, players who continue to kick decent goals at one end of the ground most weeks, or do well when at the end end of the ground when played there, then they end up somewhere else playing good footy for another club. He's barely played a bad game this year. Maybe the TV game a couple of weeks ago. The one game I saw, small sample size I know, his contested pack marking was outstanding. He's about the only forward we have who does lead. Even with all the faults mentioned he's has to be better than Everitt right now, just for the fact he is a key forward and at least kicking goals. Everitt is't one who is exhibiting the same faults and has recently done nothing.

When we've picked 2 tall key forwards most weeks we have won, when we haven't we hardly kick a goal and lose.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 14: Northern Blues vs Geelong
Post by: DJC on July 10, 2016, 12:52:33 pm
On the latter that's all ok except for the fact it Everitt who's keeping him out if you know what I mean. I prefer the tall key forward personally.

 If you don't give these players games, players who continue to kick decent goals at one end of the ground most weeks, or do well when at the end end of the ground when played there, then they end up somewhere else playing good footy for another club. He's barely played a bad game this year. Maybe the TV game a couple of weeks ago. The one game I saw, small sample size I know, his contested pack marking was outstanding. He's about the only forward we have who does lead. Even with all the faults mentioned he's has to be better than Everitt right now, just for the fact he is a key forward and at least kicking goals. Everitt is't one who is exhibiting the same faults and has recently done nothing.

When we've picked 2 tall key forwards most weeks we have won, when we haven't we hardly kick a goal and lose.

Everitt hasn't spent much time as a forward lately and Jaksch couldn't play the defensive run with role Everitt is supposed to be playing.

Simon White has Jaksch's spot and, for all his limitations, I prefer White's effort.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 14: Northern Blues vs Geelong
Post by: LP on July 10, 2016, 12:53:33 pm
There is one point that is a bit left field I would like to make about the game. In a lot of ways, there is more in yesterday's game for Carlton than Geelong. While Geelong won by 11 goals, their problems relate to their lack of run out of defence. They won so easily because of their mid-field dominance and big forwards, and they were too strong in close and ran too hard for the smaller and younger Northern Blues players. Their problem is Mackie, Enright and Bartels down back, all are very good to champion players. There was nothing in Geelong seconds to deal with this problems, so they are going to have to trade the likes of Vardy, Stanley and others to get half back flankers. At least with Carlton we have the likes of Curnow, McKay, Byrne Cunningham ahe can make a difference, while Buckley, Jaksch, Jones, Korcheck, Graham and Gowers could make a difference. That is one positive to take from the game.

It's not really left field, it's accurate and obvious.

I've been saying the same thing about Hawthorn for two or three years. Again this round all their best players were over 30yrs. There are even Dawks insiders I know who have been saying the same thing for a couple of years now. When clubs like Geelong and Hawthorn get sentimental and extend the contracts of those old blokes it is every bit as damaging for their long term future as it was Carlton re-signing someone like Whitnall or Buckley Snr when time had obviously started to pass them by. Already we see that they rely on those players to deliver wins, yet they struggle to perform week after week.

Watch the Dawks manage Hodge through the remainder of the season so they can have him smash opponents in a final. Opposition clubs need to start hurting and targeting the Dawks and Geelongs supplemental players. The old blokes will break down when their workload increases if the young guys are not around to give them a chop out. I watched the Dawks Thursday night and Hodge could not keep up with play by the end of the game, but he had already done the damage early. If Port had targeted two or three of the Dawks support players they would have run over the Dawks in the end, in much the same way that Sydney made the Cats look old and slow. The mistake Port made was trying to take it up to Hodge, Mitchell and Lewis, all Port really did was benefit the team the Dawks play next week.

The youth direction we go in at the NBs is the right direction as long as the player development coaches are up to scratch, in the past our development coaches have been D Grade at best.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 14: Northern Blues vs Geelong
Post by: crashlander on July 11, 2016, 08:36:00 pm
(https://proxy.bigfooty.com/forum/proxy.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F6cHbyA8.png&hash=8e8e5e8a6f52bb739eccee2990cd0126)

Some pretty ugly numbers on this page.

Looking at Jaksch, the numbers don't look too bad, except the 0 tackles.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 14: Northern Blues vs Geelong
Post by: Baggers on July 12, 2016, 05:08:33 pm
(https://proxy.bigfooty.com/forum/proxy.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F6cHbyA8.png&hash=8e8e5e8a6f52bb739eccee2990cd0126)

Some pretty ugly numbers on this page.

Looking at Jaksch, the numbers don't look too bad, except the 0 tackles.
...and that's the knock on Jaksch. He's your kick and mark kind of guy. You seldom see him breaking packs or in and under in the contest.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 14: Northern Blues vs Geelong
Post by: LP on July 12, 2016, 05:19:29 pm
...and that's the knock on Jaksch. He's your kick and mark kind of guy. You seldom see him breaking packs or in and under in the contest.

Well he should be replacing Everitt, so in other-words it's "Like for Like!"
Title: Re: VFL Rd 14: Northern Blues vs Geelong
Post by: Baggers on July 12, 2016, 05:31:58 pm
Well he should be replacing Everitt, so in other-words it's "Like for Like!"

Now that made me laugh. Though Jaksch is about an inch taller. *grins* (can't use emoticons - ever since updating to Windows 10).
Title: Re: VFL Rd 14: Northern Blues vs Geelong
Post by: bratblue on July 12, 2016, 06:30:39 pm
Who's Everitt been running with, his sister?
Title: Re: VFL Rd 14: Northern Blues vs Geelong
Post by: Baggers on July 13, 2016, 08:42:17 am
Who's Everitt been running with, his sister?

Is she available? How tall is she? *wink*