This week we play the Dockers on Sunday at 1640 in the afternoon, Melbourne time (1440 over in Perth).
We will not be on free to air TV in Melbourne.
As a result I probably won't be voting on this game: I simply won't be seeing enough to have a decent opinion. :(
This is a danger game for us, not the Freo are THAT good (although they are improving), but that their drive comes from Sandilands. Kreuzer does not have a good record against Sandilands. :(
This week we play the Dockers on Sunday at 1640 in the afternoon, Melbourne time (1440 over in Perth).
We will not be on free to air TV in Melbourne.
As a result I probably won't be voting on this game: I simply won't be seeing enough to have a decent opinion. :(
This is a danger game for us, not the Freo are THAT good (although they are improving), but that their drive comes from Sandilands. Kreuzer does not have a good record against Sandilands. :(
kreuzer has not been in the form he is in before :o
We are their bogey team I reckon, we seem to play well over west ???
I think it is progress in away games against sides like Freo that tell us where we are at, if you want to climb the ladder you have to start win away games.
Interesting game and think we are in for a sneeky chance to be honest.
Pending on the ins and outs - our forward line against the Saints fell down needed that 2-3 goals from Casboult and a goal or two from Wright to get over the line. It is so disappointing they did not deliver. Pending on the ins and outs
I fancy our chances simply because we go alright in WA in general.
Our boys should be pumped to do it for Murph and Freo looked shot in the last except for the last 21 seconds... after that big high they are due for a downer
I think we are a chance if we can eek out 12-15 goals... ?
We are due for a big win, Carlton by 47!
We are due for a big win, Carlton by 47!
The power of (extremely) positive thinking.
I'm not to sure about wining this one. Freo's speed and skill will overpower our youngsters in end , especially if either of Stephen Hill or Ballantyne come up, we'll get pummeled.
Our team selection is vital we need more speed. Go Baggers
Our boys should be pumped to do it for Murph and Freo looked shot in the last except for the last 21 seconds... after that big high they are due for a downer
I think we are a chance if we can eek out 12-15 goals... ?
If our defensive structure holds and we don't turn it over 10-12 might be enough.
Freos percentage is very close to ours.
We are due for a big win, Carlton by 47!
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Well at least you made me smile LP. ;)
I reckon we are in with a chance though. Out and up 'em Blues.
For the first time in forever you will see Lachie Neale and Stephen Hill getting pegged in run-down tackles by Carlton players. ;)
Also, we have a few WA boys who will want turn it on in front of family and friends.
Sydney and Freo play similar styles of footy, which means that we are right in this one.
Expect a hard game from Alex.
Expect a hard game from Alex.
agree - and reckon from what I have seen from him he wont take a backward step.
I reckon if they try to roughen him up he will give back harder then he gets.
Expect a hard game from Alex.
Yes, you must recall that on field incident he had with a Freo team-mate, I can't recall who it was, but I expect no love lost!
Two interesting VFL comments from Josh Fraser from the weekend
14. Liam Jones
Stats: 13 disposals, 8 marks, 5 tackles, 4 inside 50s, 3 rebounds 50s
From the coach: He played as a defender again and is reading it really well, both in terms of coming off his man to influence the contest and also using his strength and speed at ground level. His super form-line continues. Must be close!!
31. Patrick Kerr
Stats: 14 disposals, 5 marks, 3 inside 50s
From the coach: Patty worked tirelessly all day as a key forward leading at the leg and in the air, while his tackling was as good as we’ve seen from him. I think he’s coming along pretty nicely and he’s one Carlton supporters should be excited about.
Will get a look at it shortly, I'm sure.
Two interesting VFL comments from Josh Fraser from the weekend
It says players are reviewed by Josh Fraser but the article is credited to Cristian Filippo.
But regardless, the form line of those players is obvious and it's great that they are pressuring senior players for spots.
Two interesting VFL comments from Josh Fraser from the weekend
14. Liam Jones
Stats: 13 disposals, 8 marks, 5 tackles, 4 inside 50s, 3 rebounds 50s
From the coach: He played as a defender again and is reading it really well, both in terms of coming off his man to influence the contest and also using his strength and speed at ground level. His super form-line continues. Must be close!!
31. Patrick Kerr
Stats: 14 disposals, 5 marks, 3 inside 50s
From the coach: Patty worked tirelessly all day as a key forward leading at the leg and in the air, while his tackling was as good as we’ve seen from him. I think he’s coming along pretty nicely and he’s one Carlton supporters should be excited about.
Will get a look at it shortly, I'm sure.
Hope so.
I remember Liam being mobile and athletic in his early days at the dogs, carved Andrew Walker up one afternoon. Haven't seen that from him since he has been with us.
Whispers on SEN that Gibbs will be out injured.
14. Liam Jones
Stats: 13 disposals, 8 marks, 5 tackles, 4 inside 50s, 3 rebounds 50s
From the coach: He played as a defender again and is reading it really well, both in terms of coming off his man to influence the contest and also using his strength and speed at ground level. His super form-line continues. Must be close!!
Super form line continues........ 13 disposals. Says it all. It's the same old problem for Jones. He's always struggled to get more than about 10 possessions in a game. He had a game the other week where he had about 20 which was amazing but he's reverted back to type.
17 games for Carlton - double digits possies 3 times only.
I hate to be negative on a guy who has some ability but I'd still rather see McKay / Kerr / Korcheck / Phillips play an AFL game.
Super form line continues........ 13 disposals. Says it all. It's the same old problem for Jones. He's always struggled to get more than about 10 possessions in a game. He had a game the other week where he had about 20 which was amazing but he's reverted back to type.
17 games for Carlton - double digits possies 3 times only.
I hate to be negative on a guy who has some ability but I'd still rather see McKay / Kerr / Korcheck / Phillips play an AFL game.
Your opinion is being misled by reliance on the stats.
The other week as KPDs Rowe and ACoS were clearly among the best on ground, they had a grand total of 20 disposals between them! ;)
Btw., only a couple of the AFL's top ten KPPs average more than 16 possessions a game, and they average about 17!
Stats can be such nonsensical BS.
With all the 1-2-1 handballs and shorts kicks back and forwards, even a guy with 30+ stats can often have minimal effect on a game. Even at 100% efficiency.
Metres gained often more telling and even that can be misleading - does the metres gained include a 50m kick forward if it hits the opposition on the chest, for example?
Going to get a bit of rain over here Tomorrow and Saturday. Storms. Might continue to Sunday, so could be a grind in the wet again which helps us again.
I'm 1 for 1 this year in Games attended, will be hoping to make it 2 from 2.
Super form line continues........ 13 disposals. Says it all. It's the same old problem for Jones. He's always struggled to get more than about 10 possessions in a game. He had a game the other week where he had about 20 which was amazing but he's reverted back to type.
17 games for Carlton - double digits possies 3 times only.
I hate to be negative on a guy who has some ability but I'd still rather see McKay / Kerr / Korcheck / Phillips play an AFL game.
Pretty shallow analysis, may as well have come from Facebook.
Did you watch the game? We dominated possession and Liam played KPD he absolutely smashed or ate everything that came his way.
Same for the last 4 weeks.
Liams biggest problem will be shaking peoples, sometime unfounded, bias.
Liam's only other big issue will likely be a lack of confidence in himself to play the game at the highest level which may very well see him have a poor one initially if promoted to the seniors, but he is giving it a red hot go and thats all we can really ask of him.
Liam's only other big issue will likely be a lack of confidence in himself to play the game at the highest level
I tend to think that is why they are keeping him in the twos for an extended time, against the 'good performances will be rewarded' mantra. Get him choc full of confidence so he believes that his good form is the norm.
Liam's only other big issue will likely be a lack of confidence in himself to play the game at the highest level which may very well see him have a poor one initially if promoted to the seniors, but he is giving it a red hot go and thats all we can really ask of him.
You'd have to back him in if he can be released to "play freely", just like another player we know!
Last weekend the game Jones played, the quick handballs to release a team-mate, his attack on the contest, they were all outstanding! You don't get stats for how many times you broke a pack or dispossessed your direct opponent. Having watched the game Jones would have been right up there for the 1%ers, as would have been Buckley, Boekhorst or Sheehan.
The biggest disappointment for me last weekend was the game from Phillips. He had not much opposition with all the opportunity to dominate, yet he played a Warnock style game with plenty of taps and not much else!
Jones has been dominate down back and in the Ruck for the NB's (so i hear). Great stuff from him.
But where does he fit in the Senior Side? Marchbank, Plowman, Rowe and ASOS are all locks. White is the one in trouble maybe, be plays a more of a floating role on talls and smalls, which i don't think Jones can do.
If White went out I would be putting Weiters back to get some confidence up again, hence would have to play Liam forward which i wouldn't do.
Jones has been dominate down back and in the Ruck for the NB's (so i hear). Great stuff from him.
But where does he fit in the Senior Side? Marchbank, Plowman, Rowe and ASOS are all locks. White is the one in trouble maybe, be plays a more of a floating role on talls and smalls, which i don't think Jones can do.
If White went out I would be putting Weiters back to get some confidence up again, hence would have to play Liam forward which i wouldn't do.
I'd rest Weitering, the rest is up to the coaches!
Super form line continues........ 13 disposals. Says it all. It's the same old problem for Jones. He's always struggled to get more than about 10 possessions in a game. He had a game the other week where he had about 20 which was amazing but he's reverted back to type.
17 games for Carlton - double digits possies 3 times only.
I hate to be negative on a guy who has some ability but I'd still rather see McKay / Kerr / Korcheck / Phillips play an AFL game.
McKay/Kerr yes, Korchek/Phillips no.
Weits and Jack not far off to be leading club goal kicking award why rest him
FREMANTLE
In: S.Hill, T.Sheridan, N.Suban
Out: -
CARLTON
In: D.Armfield, B.Boekhorst, D.Cuningham, L.Jones
Out: S.White (Omitted)
INTERCHANGE
32 Nick Graham
39 Dale Thomas
31 Tom Williamson
27 Dennis Armfield
14 Liam Jones
12 Blaine Boekhorst
28 David Cuningham
He's been such a warrior for us, White, but it is logical for him to be the only out, especially with the inclusion of the quicker and cleaner ACOS. Can't really have White and ACOS at the same time in the seniors now.
Of the 7 interchange blokes named I reckon Daisy is the only definite.
You'd think that Liam Jones would be the logical replacement for White.
You could also mount a case for either Boekhorst (WA boy) or Cuningham replacing Graham due to their speed over the grass on the big Subiaco ground.
Interesting that two WA boys have been included (Boekhorst and Den Den)... Favour for Den Den so he visit the family... and be the emergency?
Hard to see both Willo and Jones being on the bench... one will be down back for the NBs on Saturday (or maybe White fills the vacancy down back in the NBs?)
Be really interesting to see the final side tomorrow at 5. And to see who runs out for the NBs on Saturday.
If White is out then I suspect Liam may well be in.
I reckon both Daisy and Graham will be included - Graham was OK v. the Saints IMO and his disposal seems to have improved markedly. It was his lovely kick to set up Cripps before he decided to trip over himself.
Be interesting to see who the other one is.
Carlton
B: Lachie Plowman, Sam Rowe, Caleb Marchbank.
HB: Kade Simpson, Alex Silvagni, Ed Curnow.
C: Sam Docherty, Patrick Cripps, Bryce Gibbs.
HF: Sam Petrevski-Seton, Jacob Weitering, Matthew Wright.
F: Zac Fisher, Jack Silvagni, Matthew Kreuzer.
R: Levi Casboult, Charlie Curnow, Marc Murphy.
Int: Nick Graham, Dale Thomas, Tom Williamson, Dennis Armfield, Liam Jones, Blaine Boekhorst, David Cuningham (Three to be omitted)
In: Dennis Armfield, Liam Jones, Blaine Boekhorst, David Cuningham.
Out: Simon White (Omitted)
With the game being late on Sunday, all 3 emergencies will travel to Perth. That will be, and should be, seen for what it is: a reward for effort for some of these guys. I don't think Dennis will play, but any of the others could. I guess we'll find out on Saturday morning. But I really expect all 3 emergencies to miss the VFL.
Fremantle
B: Garrick Ibbotson, Joel Hamling, Lee Spurr.
HB: Lachie Weller, Michael Johnson, Cameron Sutcliffe.
C: Stephen Hill, Lachie Neale, Bradley Hill.
HF: Hayden Crozier, Connor Blakely, Michael Walters.
F: Matt Taberner, Cam McCarthy, Shane Kersten.
R: Aaron Sandilands, Nat Fyfe, David Mundy.
Int: Ethan Hughes, Darcy Tucker, Tommy Sheridan, Nick Suban, Danyle Pearce, Brady Grey, Ed Langdon (Three to be omitted)
I like the "ins" whilst Jones and Army are both almost certainly gone at the end of the year, from all reports (Jones in particular), they have earned a chance.
I like the "ins" whilst Jones and Army are both almost certainly gone at the end of the year, from all reports (Jones in particular), they have earned a chance.
Rumour is Jones is close to getting another contract based on current VFL form alone.
I'm, prepared to give Jones a second go in footy, Leigh Brown was a spud at Nth but became a good player at Collingwood and part of a successful period...we need another bigger swingman like Brown who can play a few roles and I'd be giving Jones a series of games to show what he has..
I'm, prepared to give Jones a second go in footy, Leigh Brown was a spud at Nth but became a good player at Collingwood and part of a successful period...we need another bigger swingman like Brown who can play a few roles and I'd be giving Jones a series of games to show what he has..
Agree. I was always keen on White going out and Jones coming in.
From the listed interchange players - it's a bit of a difficult one, bit I would definitely keep Tom Williamson in and play David Cuningham.
I would not play Dennis Armfield, so it comes down to Liam Jones, Nick Graham, Blaine Boekhorst and Dale Thomas taking the other two spots for mine.
Not sure how far Boekhorst ahs come, but his form line along with Jones and Cuningham in the VFL has been good for a number of weeks.
I'm not sold on Thomas playing over there, probably Graham too, but you have to be careful with chopping 'role' players if they keep the structures right.
I think it will be Boekhorst for White as the only change.
Jones doesn't really have a spot while Casboult is in the side, I watched the VFL and Armfield was just Armfield and no more, slightly above VFL standard but short of AFL, Cunningham was OK but nothing to get excited about although he'll get a shot at a senior game sooner or later.
Boekhorst was outstanding, Jaksch was very good as well and I'm surprised that he hasn't been considered.
White is only a battler and his foot skills are poor, I've wondered how he's played every game so far this year to be honest.
Thomas is one of those players who works his dot off and if he isn't paid the respect he deserves will hurt you because he works really hard between the arcs. He is much easier to stop these days than he used to be, but even when time is put into stopping him, it means someone else is able to play freely.
Graham is another one in this category although he has a bit more ability to play inside the contest, which is a positive and a negative. He is not a very big midfielder, and against the Freo mids, he might find the going tough to compete with the likes of Mundy and Fyfe who are taller and more mobile around the ground.
Boekhorst is a much more outside player than the aforementioned, and I dont believe is in the same category for workrate. He is one that can be more dangerous drifting forward and has a bit more leg speed than the above as well as possibly being the more skillful of this lot.
Armfield. Started the year poorly, but that might have been an interrupted preparation as his VFL form of late hasnt been that strong. He might give it away or he might have just recovered fitness and reignite his career. We will find out soon.
Jones. Strong VFL form has seen him come into the equation for selection. White has been playing more small, so it wouldn't make sense to put him out for a tall given the weather. I don't think we will make too many other changes and I don't really see a match up for Jones in the Freo forward line so unless we are thinking of giving Kreuzer some help against Sandilands or needing to stretch freos defense, I cant see Jones playing.
Given White is the omission, I'm inclined to think that we have picked some flexible options for our ins. Good weather might see Jones play, but if its going to be wet and dirty football, I think Armfield will get the nod in place of Simon White given that we are taking an experienced player out of the side. I know we need to be future proofing, but I just cannot see us going to young anymore.
Carlton
B: Lachie Plowman, Sam Rowe, Caleb Marchbank.
HB: Kade Simpson, Alex Silvagni, Ed Curnow.
C: Sam Docherty, Patrick Cripps, Bryce Gibbs.
HF: Sam Petrevski-Seton, Jacob Weitering, Matthew Wright.
F: Zac Fisher, Jack Silvagni, Matthew Kreuzer.
R: Levi Casboult, Charlie Curnow, Marc Murphy.
Int: Nick Graham, Dale Thomas, Tom Williamson, Dennis Armfield, Liam Jones, Blaine Boekhorst, David Cuningham (Three to be omitted)
In: Dennis Armfield, Liam Jones, Blaine Boekhorst, David Cuningham.
Out: Simon White (Omitted)
With the game being late on Sunday, all 3 emergencies will travel to Perth. That will be, and should be, seen for what it is: a reward for effort for some of these guys. I don't think Dennis will play, but any of the others could. I guess we'll find out on Saturday morning. But I really expect all 3 emergencies to miss the VFL.
Fremantle
B: Garrick Ibbotson, Joel Hamling, Lee Spurr.
HB: Lachie Weller, Michael Johnson, Cameron Sutcliffe.
C: Stephen Hill, Lachie Neale, Bradley Hill.
HF: Hayden Crozier, Connor Blakely, Michael Walters.
F: Matt Taberner, Cam McCarthy, Shane Kersten.
R: Aaron Sandilands, Nat Fyfe, David Mundy.
Int: Ethan Hughes, Darcy Tucker, Tommy Sheridan, Nick Suban, Danyle Pearce, Brady Grey, Ed Langdon (Three to be omitted)
Not sure Josh Fraser would be happy losing a couple of guys as backups to the backup, especially against a strong outfit like Sandy. I know the seniors must come first but Fraser really is building a ripper culture at the NBs and should be supported where practical.
I read it as are worried about the frockers' outside run... Walters, Hill x 2 etc.
No match up for White.
Wouldn't be surprised if we play Jones to back up K in the bounces and give Cripps et al. a hand around the contests. Mundy, Fyfe, Sandilands... that's a lot of weight and strength around ground zero.
I read it as are worried about the frockers' outside run... Walters, Hill x 2 etc.
No match up for White.
Wouldn't be surprised if we play Jones to back up K in the bounces and give Cripps et al. a hand around the contests. Mundy, Fyfe, Sandilands... that's a lot of weight and strength around ground zero.
Good points. You'd think that we're bringing in quick blokes to run with the Hills and Walters etc.
I read it as are worried about the frockers' outside run... Walters, Hill x 2 etc.
No match up for White.
Wouldn't be surprised if we play Jones to back up K in the bounces and give Cripps et al. a hand around the contests. Mundy, Fyfe, Sandilands... that's a lot of weight and strength around ground zero.
My thoughts as well.
Sunday in Perth:
Min 11 Max 20 Showers. Possible early storm.Possible rainfall:
4 to 10 mm Chance of any rain: 100%
Perth area
Partly cloudy. Very high (95%) chance of showers, most likely in the morning. The chance of a thunderstorm in the morning. Winds northwesterly 15 to 25 km/h shifting southerly 20 to 30 km/h during the afternoon.
I doubt we will play Jones if it's too wet, I suspect we'll go with Cunningham as a running HBF and let the other guys deal with the wet conditions.
Jones' benefit would be greatly diminished if marking isn't going to be a significant factor.
However, having said that, Jones leap in the ruck is significant. He's more than capable of jumping over Sandilands from a short run up. Something that Kreuzer and Casboult won't achieve. If Jones could break even with Sandilands and then run off him he would be more than useful.
All evidence points to Armfield IMHO. This could be his swan song.
White out Armfield in. Better matchup than Boeky or Cunners.
I doubt we will play Jones if it's too wet, I suspect we'll go with Cunningham as a running HBF and let the other guys deal with the wet conditions.
Jones' benefit would be greatly diminished if marking isn't going to be a significant factor.
However, having said that, Jones leap in the ruck is significant. He's more than capable of jumping over Sandilands from a short run up. Something that Kreuzer and Casboult won't achieve. If Jones could break even with Sandilands and then run off him he would be more than useful.
Was thinking along those lines myself LP. Maybe we are planning to gang up on Sandilands and run him off his legs?
I think Jones should play regardless of the weather. He's earned his call up. I think they took Armfield along in case Gibbs doesn't get up plus Armfield has family in WA.
I think Jones should play regardless of the weather. He's earned his call up. I think they took Armfield along in case Gibbs doesn't get up plus Armfield has family in WA.
I'd definitely like to see Jones in the starting 18.
What world are we in that everyone is calling for Liam Jones to be in!!
Fair play to the lad to work as hard as he has.
Culture.
What world are we in that everyone is calling for Liam Jones to be in!!
It shows that our list is still full of holes.
What world are we in that everyone is calling for Liam Jones to be in!!
Fair play to the lad to work as hard as he has.
Culture.
Nah, it's just us Victorians hate you WA feckers! ;)
Interchange = Graham, Daisy, Cunningham, Williamson.
No go for Jones.
Interchange = Graham, Daisy, Cunningham, Williamson.
No go for Jones.
So much for selecting on form alone! Jones & Boekhorst have both been well ahead of Cuningham on form. Gee I hope Cuningham can do something at senior level that he hasn't been able to do in the seconds - be consistent and assert himself physically in the contest. Stranger things have happened.
What world are we in that everyone is calling for Liam Jones to be in!!
You know? That futuristic world where Trump is President and Hanson is P..... :o
Hang on almost there ;D
Good Luck to Jonesy, he could have spit the dummy playing in the 2's all the time ala Laidler ::)
Hope he goes well if he gets the call up.
Edit.. Doh!
Freo are strong at the clearances about 8th in the comp and we are the worst so I reckon Cunningham might have been included for a few more rotations vs the Freo mids...
Sandilands should win most of the tapwork so we will need some decent planning to try and break even...Dockers are not real big down back so I am a bit disappointed we didnt play Jones to create an uneven matchup and force them to change their team around.
McCarthy is an accurate kick as he showed during the JLT series so he cant be allowed easy possessions within kicking distance....last time we just let him get one on one too often....Walters is the other dangerous forward who needs attention and a player who can match him in the air as he is a good mark for his size...
Freo are strong at the clearances about 8th in the comp and we are the worst so I reckon Cunningham might have been included for a few more rotations vs the Freo mids...
Sandilands should win most of the tapwork so we will need some decent planning to try and break even...Dockers are not real big down back so I am a bit disappointed we didnt play Jones to create an uneven matchup and force them to change their team around.
McCarthy is an accurate kick as he showed during the JLT series so he cant be allowed easy possessions within kicking distance....last time we just let him get one on one too often....Walters is the other dangerous forward who needs attention and a player who can match him in the air as he is a good mark for his size...
We bear no resemblance to the team that lost to them in the JLT. Neither do they.
McCarthy has kicked 12. 12 this year so his kicking is now sh1t.
1 change.
OUT: White
IN: Cuningham
Probably the last one i expected to get the gig from that extended bench (well Boeky last, him next
Would've had army in given the deck and the weather. Suits him.
Final team announced and it's Cunningham for White as the only change.
I thought Boekhorst but it's better to give the kid a crack I gurss, we know what Boekhorst is capable of.
Edit :beaten by Krud.
Good luck to Cunners really like him as a player. Reminds me of Dangerfield in some passages of his play in Dangers early years 2009... AFL world didnt really take notice of Danger untill late 2010 early 2011 as a 21 year old. Cunners just needs that one game where the footy world stands up and says "will be a good player" I think he is close so good luck to him.
It shows that our list is still full of holes.
Or a bloke in scintillating career-best form in the VFL, after being moved from the forward line, and can't fit into the side. Might mean a list that's building depth.
Looks like it might be cool, wet, and windy tomorrow in Perth.
Maybe that's to our advantage.
Go new Blues
What world are we in that everyone is calling for Liam Jones to be in!!
Fair play to the lad to work as hard as he has.
Culture.
And backed it up with his best game for us ever.
Could well be quite dry by mid afternoon imo (given the wind too). Winds moderating....:
Forecast for the rest of Sunday
SummaryMax 19Showers.Possible rainfall: 8 to 15 mmChance of any rain: 80%
Perth area
Partly cloudy. High (80%) chance of showers, becoming less likely this afternoon. The chance of a thunderstorm before sunrise. Winds westerly 25 to 35 km/h turning southwesterly 15 to 25 km/h in the morning.
Good luck to Cunners really like him as a player. Reminds me of Dangerfield in some passages of his play in Dangers early years 2009... AFL world didnt really take notice of Danger untill late 2010 early 2011 as a 21 year old. Cunners just needs that one game where the footy world stands up and says "will be a good player" I think he is close so good luck to him.
WOw! Big call likening Cuningham to an early Dangerfield. Hope you're right but I've seen precious little from him to suggest he's a future Dangerfield. Danger has some mongrel about him and has always had an obsessive love of the contest... Cuningham seems rather timid when it comes to putting his body on the line, and that's not to mention his terrible inconsistency. When things go right for him, he can ran and carry very, very nicely but it's so infrequent. As I say, I hope I'm very wrong and have to eat loads of humble pie.
Are we on at 4:40 Melbourne time today, or 2:40??
Are we on at 4:40 Melbourne time today, or 2:40??
4.40 Melbourne time.
I just don't get why week after week the odds are so poor for a Carlton victory, it's like the bookmakers and media have ignored recent form and are sticking to the pre-season predictions.
WOw! Big call likening Cuningham to an early Dangerfield. Hope you're right but I've seen precious little from him to suggest he's a future Dangerfield. Danger has some mongrel about him and has always had an obsessive love of the contest... Cuningham seems rather timid when it comes to putting his body on the line, and that's not to mention his terrible inconsistency. When things go right for him, he can ran and carry very, very nicely but it's so infrequent. As I say, I hope I'm very wrong and have to eat loads of humble pie.
Dangerfield is all about me me me. Individual awards and accolades are his thing (B&Fs, Brownlows, Goal of the year etc). Not a team player and Geelong are so reliant on him (and let him have his way), they will probably never win a flag whilst he is there. I have few mates in Geelong, one is right into the Cats and reasonably well connected down at the yacht club, he tells me there are quite a few hard nosed, influential supporters that are less than impressed with young Patrick. Thinks his poo doesn't stink and don't like the way he plays and his selfish attitude on the field. But as they say, its not what supporters think, if his team mates and coaches are happy with him, that's all that matters.
In any case, good luck to young Cunners, make the most of the opportunity and may this be one of many senior games for the CFC.
WOw! Big call likening Cuningham to an early Dangerfield. Hope you're right but I've seen precious little from him to suggest he's a future Dangerfield. Danger has some mongrel about him and has always had an obsessive love of the contest... Cuningham seems rather timid when it comes to putting his body on the line, and that's not to mention his terrible inconsistency. When things go right for him, he can ran and carry very, very nicely but it's so infrequent. As I say, I hope I'm very wrong and have to eat loads of humble pie.
Yep, I have not seen a lot of Cunningham but he doesn't seem to have a great presence for much of the time - fades into the background a lot. Having said that he might eventually have a "Road to Damascus" moment! After all, Jones seems to have had his so why not Cunners?
Dangerfield is all about me me me. Individual awards and accolades are his thing (B&Fs, Brownlows, Goal of the year etc). Not a team player and Geelong are so reliant on him (and let him have his way), they will probably never win a flag whilst he is there. I have few mates in Geelong, one is right into the Cats and reasonably well connected down at the yacht club, he tells me there are quite a few hard nosed, influential supporters that are less than impressed with young Patrick. Thinks his poo doesn't stink and don't like the way he plays and his selfish attitude on the field. But as they say, its not what supporters think, if his team mates and coaches are happy with him, that's all that matters.
In any case, good luck to young Cunners, make the most of the opportunity and may this be one of many senior games for the CFC.
I think sometimes, those elite, highly paid players are in a no win situation. If they sit back and don't do much, because they're trying to get other players involved and to contribute more, then they get accused of not earning their money, only chasing the big bucks etc. If they try to take the game on, demanding the footy, showing leadership, and setting the scene for their team mates to hopefully follow, then they're accused of being ball hogs, selfish, not being team orientated etc.
It's not Danger's fault he's surrounded by mediocrity. I reckon without him, Geelong would struggle to make the 8.
EDIT : actually, they probably would make the 8 without him, but not top 4.
I just don't get why week after week the odds are so poor for a Carlton victory, it's like the bookmakers and media have ignored recent form and are sticking to the pre-season predictions.
Suspect it has a lot to do with our inability to score. Even when we lose we tend to hold opponents to modest scores... BrisVegas, Dawks and us share awful %. Maybe today we can turn it around with many inside 50s and a big score, we'll need it to beat the D1ckers.
Cunningham will hopefully bring more run and zip than White.
Hill speed brothers are in. The rain may slow the ground up a bit.
Bring the intensity from the first bounce and keep the crowd under control Blues.
All the best to Fisher and Samo playing their first home state game. Hope your family get around you and you play a crackerjack game.
Go Blues
Cunningham will hopefully bring more run and zip than White.
Hill speed brothers are in. The rain may slow the ground up a bit.
Bring the intensity from the first bounce and keep the crowd under control Blues.
All the best to Fisher and Samo playing their first home state game. Hope your family get around you and you play a crackerjack game.
Go Blues
Agree.
Agree.
Cunningham was weak today. White is way ahead of him at the moment.
Cunners has showed enough to get another 1 year contract though.
Cunningham was weak today. White is way ahead of him at the moment.
Cunners has showed enough to get another 1 year contract though.
On today's game Buckley or Boehorst would have been a better choice, quite a few were surprised to see Cunningham get the nod ahead of some others and we saw why! ;)
On today's game Buckley or Boehorst would have been a better choice, quite a few were surprised to see Cunningham get the nod ahead of some others and we saw why! ;)
Would have gone Palmer vs his old team today.....Boekhorst in the dry doesnt enthuse me much but Boekhorst in the wet is even less convincing...Buckley's lack of tackling ability
wasnt missed today..
...Buckley's lack of tackling ability wasnt missed today..
Not sure it would have made much difference, a 3rd of our list failed to lay more than one tackle which is a clear wtf? moment!
Buckley is quite a good wet weather footballer, does the wet weather basics well. Whether that would translate to AFL sized opponents I'm not sure, but he's played some good wet weather games in the past.
I must say I'm not a big Boekhorst fan, but he has been good in the VFL and based on VFL form he clearly deserved a run ahead of Cunningham who by comparison hasn't been much chop at VFL level for a couple of weeks now. It's like we waited until Cunningham's form ran out them promoted him, and we may well be about to do the same with Jones who hobbled off injured at the weekend!
Anyway, it looks like they are all going to have to come into the 1s together now, and when they fail as a group because they don't gel I'm sure supporters will hang them and completely ignore the lack of sensible selections in recent weeks!
It would be a very different scenario going into the bye if we had been rotating blokes out who were clearly sore, we would be in a much better place for the remainder of 2017. Maybe we don't want to be? :o