A win against last year's premiers would be a top scalp.
A win against last year's premiers would be a top scalp.
yeah, yeah, advanced hair
Just not enough of anything. Not enough class, not enough depth, not enough skill, not enough defensive pressure, not enough attacking flair.
Blah.
Someone had a premonition with the thread title...lol
IMO, he looks exactly like a player that was borderline to be drafted.
He's picked regularly for the same reason Casboult is.
I agree that you are being a bit harsh. He has been pretty good this year. You watch his work rate when he plays forward, he is the only one making repeated leads, take some good grabs and he always chases his opponent and his kicking continues to improve. He is also one of best at reading the ball in flight and getting into good position.
He wasn't seen much today, but for some reason, in a game where our forward line was so rubbish, he wasn't played up forward.
Just not enough of anything. Not enough class, not enough depth, not enough skill, not enough defensive pressure, not enough attacking flair.
Blah.
Getting injuries plus the younger draftees are feeling the long year. Only bright side is we again hung in on our worst day. Days like today happen to young sides. Let's hope it is better next week.
I really don't see what it is you are not seeing with Jack Paul.
He goes hard, was poor today, but not on his Pat Malone.
As a young forward he has 3 times kicked 3 goals, has maintained a goal a game average, earned his spot with good performances in the twos and is 19 years of age.
I simply cannot see what it is to not like about him.
I agree that you are being a bit harsh. He has been pretty good this year. You watch his work rate when he plays forward, he is the only one making repeated leads, take some good grabs and he always chases his opponent and his kicking continues to improve. He is also one of best at reading the ball in flight and getting into good position.
He wasn't seen much today, but for some reason, in a game where our forward line was so rubbish, he wasn't played up forward.
Fair enough. He was no better and no worse that most of our players today, but his limitations frustrate me.
We need more speed. We move the ball like it weighs a tonne. We run like we have boat anchors around our legs. And we simply don't try and create with ball in hand. We just wait for a spare man to present themselves, and try to hit them up. There's no inventiveness, no risk taking, no one being proactive in trying to make things happen. And becuase we chip endlessly, when we turn it over, it's almost always in our back half.
The exception to that was the 1st q.
with a group of young players growing collectively with each game, its a house of cards when a few are injured. (out and playing)
Marchbank was a huge out for mine. Too much pressure on simmo, and then the coach somehow pulls #15 out of the same stretched backline on ball
3 years ago+, we would have been smashed after 3/4 time. The improvement is, this group never gives up. We played the reigning premiers - albeit down on form.
BTW that young for bulldogs will be something for them down back
Bulldogs had alot of the ball and our tackle count was substandard parallel to how much of the ball Bulldogs had.
Missed Cripps in a big way and need depth in this area in a big way.
If you compare our 'bottom 6' today vs our 'bottom 6' against GWS, we trying to cover Marchbank, Cripps, Curnow, Thomas etc with lesser lights.
I must have missed something, where is Daisy Thomas?
I shall contribute as much to this discussion as is equal to the amount of joy I derived from watching this game.
If you compare our 'bottom 6' today vs our 'bottom 6' against GWS, we trying to cover Marchbank, Cripps, Curnow, Thomas etc with lesser lights.
Thought we missed someone else in tandem with Cripps - Curnow would have been handy today as well.
No Cripps...No Carlton.....especially vs Bontempelli who just did what he liked........
Kruezer was good in the ruck but our onball division without Cripps is poor....Kerridge tries hard but is a turnover merchant, Murphy doesnt hurt teams enough even though he racks up a lot of ball and our second stringers are just handy at best. Graham was ok today but isnt the class we need.
Lacking another big onballer who can help and cover Cripps as well as a real good ball user who can hit up targets.
Jones was good again today but I thought our other backs struggled at times, Weitering was poor, Simpson butchered the ball and we generally were poor with decision making and ball usage as a team...
At what stage did Buckley exit the game???
At what stage did Buckley exit the game???
Not sure late 3rd or early 4th I am thinking
Not sure late 3rd or early 4th I am thinking
did he play?
I must have missed something, where is Daisy Thomas?
Late out.
Wont be the only exit Buckley will be making.....going to need about 10-12 list changes again....
Armfield is no gun but he at least brings some physical presence to the game, I'm struggling to understand how Buckley and Sumner are selected ahead of him.
Lamb, Kerridge, Graham and Boekhorst just don't have an AFL standard skill set, they try their best but their best isn't good enough.
It was a bad day all around, Casboult missing yet another sitter and snuffing out our last remote chance was the icing on the cake but sadly it didn't come as any surprise.
Armfield is no gun but he at least brings some physical presence to the game, I'm struggling to understand how Buckley and Sumner are selected ahead of him.
Lamb, Kerridge, Graham and Boekhorst just don't have an AFL standard skill set, they try their best but their best isn't good enough.
It was a bad day all around, Casboult missing yet another sitter and snuffing out our last remote chance was the icing on the cake but sadly it didn't come as any surprise.
I don't think we would have won that game even if Casboult did kick it, but it's no excuse. He simply has to nail those, no ifs buts, maybes.
Wont be the only exit Buckley will be making.....going to need about 10-12 list changes again....
discussions with dylan
At what stage did Buckley exit the game???
After the first bounce from the looks of his output.
Gotta grab those chances, and he did not - injury aside.
Armfield is no gun but he at least brings some physical presence to the game, I'm struggling to understand how Buckley and Sumner are selected ahead of him.
Lamb, Kerridge, Graham and Boekhorst just don't have an AFL standard skill set, they try their best but their best isn't good enough.
It was a bad day all around, Casboult missing yet another sitter and snuffing out our last remote chance was the icing on the cake but sadly it didn't come as any surprise.
It's about having papers stamped. Some of these fringe players you've mentioned are playing for their AFL careers. Armfield already had his fill and gets in the way of these assessments
Let's address the white elephant in the room, our game plan is crap. It's more defensive that Malthouse's much maligned style and we only win if we're lucky enough to drag the opposition down to our level of ineptness.
It's about having papers stamped. Some of these fringe players you've mentioned are playing for their AFL careers. Armfield already had his fill and gets in the way of these assessments
I'd rather see Armfield on the list next season than a few of the others.
I don't think we would have won that game even if Casboult did kick it, but it's no excuse. He simply has to nail those, no ifs buts, maybes.
If we're are being critical (ie equally), Weitering should have nailed his shot late in the game also. We will excuse him of course because of his age and experience however more is expected from no. 1 draft picks. As I said in the in game thread, the ONLY player on our list that fills me with any sort of confidence when lining up for goal is Matty Wright. Its a sad thing to say really.
Let's address the white elephant in the room, our game plan is crap. It's more defensive that Malthouse's much maligned style and we only win if we're lucky enough to drag the opposition down to our level of ineptness.
Disagree, we are getting it in enough, its just either a crap entry or we miss the shot. At one stage, it was one goal for 20 entries. That tells me its an execution problem more often than not.
I'd rather see Armfield on the list next season than a few of the others.
He is finished...NB's form is nothing special...Cam OShea is probably a better bet as a rebounding defender if you want to look at next season...
discussions with dylan
His ol man was tough as nails, unfortunately Dylan didn't get those genes.
In a game like today you may as well play Harry, we lacked a target on a number of occasions where they took easy marks. Time to cut the cotton wool treatment and blood big H.
If we're are being critical (ie equally), Weitering should have nailed his shot late in the game also. We will excuse him of course because of his age and experience however more is expected from no. 1 draft picks. As I said in the in game thread, the ONLY player on our list that fills me with any sort of confidence when lining up for goal is Matty Wright. Its a sad thing to say really.
Casboult was almost in the goal square on no angle, most players would have to miss on purpose.
Disagree, we are getting it in enough, its just either a crap entry or we miss the shot. At one stage, it was one goal for 20 entries. That tells me its an execution problem more often than not.
Not enough Forward entries and we dont have the quality mids to deliver the footy......made worse by the fact we have a winning ruck but we are last for clearances or close to it. We cant ignore the facts our midfield needs a rebuild.....
Let's address the white elephant in the room, our game plan is crap. It's more defensive that Malthouse's much maligned style and we only win if we're lucky enough to drag the opposition down to our level of ineptness.
I don't know if it's better or worse than Mick's, but it matters not. It's just crap full stop.
And the elephant in the room has no colour designation. Just sayin.........
His ol man was tough as nails, unfortunately Dylan didn't get those genes.
In a game like today you may as well play Harry, we lacked a target on a number of occasions where they took easy marks. Time to cut the cotton wool treatment and blood big H.
But would does it say for earning your spot bratblue? He is barely raising a sweat a in the NBs.
With injuries and a drop off in form we run the risk of a disappointing finish to 2017. Our lack of depth is being exposed and severely highlighted by our VFL teams recent performances. Our senior core has carried us for much of the year but they have started to waver and we are now looking really vulnerable. We may pinch one or 2 more wins this year (and I pray that one is against the Bombers) but otherwise we are look like falling away which will tarnish many of the brave performances we have put in this year. I hope I'm wrong and would love nothing more than to see one more spirited bounce back by the team. Looking forward to the next 6 weeks with much trepidation.
But would does it say for earning your spot bratblue? He is barely raising a sweat a in the NBs.
A few other players with no future are getting a run, time for us to see what he can do. Even if he brings the ball to ground he'll have more effect than someone like Sumner.
Casboult was almost in the goal square on no angle, most players would have to miss on purpose.
I'd struggle to make the distance..lol.
Well the positive, we didn't give up. Managed to keep it from the blowouts of yesteryear.
The negative is our injuries are costly because we lack depth. Mids and fwds particularly. Ed and Cripps out is more than we can cover ATM.
The reality is we need more quality and time for youngsters to develop. Getting games into them is unlikely to result in wins...sniff... :'(
Hope the injuries are not too serious.
A few other players with no future are getting a run, time for us to see what he can do. Even if he brings the ball to ground he'll have more effect than someone like Sumner.
Its not about who has a future and who hasn't. If he:
a) isnt hitting his KPIs in the 2s
b) lacking confidence
what is getting belted and not getting a touch in the 1s gonna do for his confidence?
Its not about who has a future and who hasn't. If he:
a) isnt hitting his KPIs in the 2s
b) lacking confidence
what is getting belted and not getting a touch in the 1s gonna do for his confidence?
Right now, with the NBs kicking 4.6 he'd still have an easier time in the seniors. We developing, play him anyway for a game or two so he gets a taste of what's required to play at senior level.
Right now, with the NBs kicking 4.6 he'd still have an easier time in the seniors. We developing, play him anyway for a game or two so he gets a taste of what's required to play at senior level.
You are suggesting it should be obvious yet they haven't played him once. Why do you think that is?
We might have secured another "rising star"nomination....for the opposition ::)
What it is with these 2nd qtr capitulations? ???
What it is with these 2nd qtr capitulations? ???
Agree, should take them down into the change rooms at 1/4 time and make em' think it's the third quarter when they come back.
Could Murphy be any softer? What a piss poor effort from him today, especially when he pulled out of going with the flight of the ball. What a sh*t-house example for the young guys.
Soft, soft, f*ckin' soft!
He can't be made captain again and surely we could look at trading him at years end. I've had enough of his weak efforts. We could get some decent picks and continue with the rebuild. He's not giving the club anything. Nothing in the media, on field or anything else. Time to go Marc and don't let the door hit you on your way out.
By the way, you can take your mate Gibbs with you as well. Without Cripps the both of them couldn't win a hard ball to save themselves. Shows how much a 21 year old Cripps carries these two. They should be ashamed of themselves.
Its not about who has a future and who hasn't. If he:
a) isnt hitting his KPIs in the 2s
b) lacking confidence
what is getting belted and not getting a touch in the 1s gonna do for his confidence?
I realize you can argue that ad infinitum but others are getting games that you would put in the same category. In the long run it won't do any harm. If the NB's were playing well and delivering the ball to him he would keep learning there but that's not happening so they're throwing him into the ruck against seasoned opponents which I would suggest is doing more damage than giving him a run in the 1's.
Right now you'd have to be honest/realistic and admit that we have a 50-50 chance of winning one more game for the year (Lions).
Next 5 weeks will be all about working out who is staying and who is going next year. Games will be given to check worth. About 6-8 will be exposed to see if they are exposed!!
Which would give us six for the year Baggers. Does this meet, exceed or represent a significant fail on expectations?
Now that injuries are starting to be a factor it is clear that we have zero depth in anything other than peripheral defensive areas.
Next 5 weeks will be all about working out who is staying and who is going next year. Games will be given to check worth. About 6-8 will be exposed to see if they are exposed!!
Yep.
And young H must be given senior footy exposure now. Playing him in that deplorable NBs side will do him no favours. (yes, I know the NBs are deplorable due to injury/personnel, doesn't matter as the reality is, they're terrible and that'll only hurt H's development.) Ditto Pickett, give him a consistent run rather than investing in a bloke like Boekhorst or Sumner who we know won't be at PP in 2018. Time to start building for 2018.
No Cripps...No Carlton.....
Exactly what I think......... you don't know what you've got till its gone.... its a big gaping hole in the centre of the ground for the rest of the year now
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No doubt Cripps is pivotal to midfield function. I think Ed is sorely missed ATM
You couldn't hit the post from that close if you tried
No doubt Cripps is pivotal to midfield function. I think Ed is sorely missed ATM
Yes we miss ED as well... but he is mainly defensive.... most of our midfield attack comes via Cripps.
Which would give us six for the year Baggers. Does this meet, exceed or represent a significant fail on expectations?
Now that injuries are starting to be a factor it is clear that we have zero depth in anything other than peripheral defensive areas.
I think many experts would say that a 6 win haul from us for the year would be about right. Reckon we can also look forward to quite a few bums being whacked by the front door of PP at seasons end.
I'd trade Murphy in a heartbeat....
For mine, Sumner is one I have reservations about. I've been a hopeful fan since his arrival. Just let him get an injury free run and he'll show his worth. Unfortunately, I don't think he's got what we need at this stage of the club's rebuild.
These last weeks will be the last hoorah for many. Do or die time. Then it'll be over to SOS n co.
I'd trade Murphy in a heartbeat....
If GWS offered a 1st round draft pick I'd take it.
He is just so lazy defensively. I'm talking years of watching him. He's definitely better this year but you just can't rely on him and when you're entire game plan is built around defensive pressure it only takes 1 not willing to push up and it falls apart.
Fairly dire game to watch, and the bulldogs didnt show much class either bar bontempelli who is a star.
The tail end of the season is going to a drag as players tire and the selection committee give a few players a last chance.
The bads: some of the fringe players proved why they are fringe. Barring further injuries, buckley should think about his post league footy career. This is his 6th season. We spend plenty of time critiquing 2nd and 3rd year players, but this bloke hasn't progresed enough to stay.
Sumner is probably on his way out. A small forward type is a hard position but lamb is a bit more adaptable and pickett is more likely.
Boakhorst is likely gone; just doesn't get enouh of the ball. He looked a bit better today laying a nice tackle here and there but not enough.
Casboult. Enough. Just enough. Free agency for a third rounder or delist.
Kerridge might get plenty of the pill, but his decision making is not league standard. He often gets caught as he doesn't get his hands up to permit a hand pass. High kicks in hope.
The good: we kept at it, only going down by 20 points. Kruezer played well, but not easy with the midfield so limited. Docherty was excellent playing in the middle. He won contests and created. Curnow played a good game, dragging down 8 marks in a game where kicking to the opposition was the norm.
Disappointing day. Cold, umpiring was average (the holding the ball against caleb daniel was rediculous) and kick on the ground was cancelled, so the little fellow was especially disappointed.
Disappointing day. Cold, umpiring was average (the holding the ball against caleb daniel was rediculous) and kick on the ground was cancelled, so the little fellow was especially disappointed.
Agree, meaning it was neither good nor bad. The one whinge I must vent is the "doggie chuck". It's obviously ok to fling the ball over your head under the guise of a 'handball' even though both hands are travelling at the same speed. ::)
The
flick pass was before my time but I know it was outlawed because it blurred the lines between a throw and a handball which was unique to our game. Seems it's back.
Let's address the white elephant in the room, our game plan is crap. It's more defensive that Malthouse's much maligned style and we only win if we're lucky enough to drag the opposition down to our level of ineptness.
If there's a white elephant in the room it'd be Weitering's year... he gifted the Dishlickers their 1st two goals, pretty demoralising stuff. Key defenders can't be gifting the opposition goals as he seems to do too often.
If GWS offered a 1st round draft pick I'd take it.
He is just so lazy defensively. I'm talking years of watching him. He's definitely better this year but you just can't rely on him and when you're entire game plan is built around defensive pressure it only takes 1 not willing to push up and it falls apart.
His disposal is ineffective in the main....lot of short kicks that go nowhere and its always his 1st option to go short, I think this year has been better than last and he has had some decent games
but I'd agree I'd trade him given a decent offer. Problem is I dont see many clubs being that interested in him or offering anything of great value. 2011 was his best season but those days of AA form are over and being 29 his best years are behind him. For both him and the club he probably could be better value in a team challenging and us with a decent young player or pick to rebuild with..
At what stage did Buckley exit the game???
Before the first bounce :P
Agree, meaning it was neither good nor bad. The one whinge I must vent is the "doggie chuck". It's obviously ok to fling the ball over your head under the guise of a 'handball' even though both hands are travelling at the same speed. ::)
The flick pass was before my time but I know it was outlawed because it blurred the lines between a throw and a handball which was unique to our game. Seems it's back.
Its a plague on the game. All teams do it but the bulldogs have taken throws to a new level. The umpiring all year has been poor. Rules are not being enforced when a chance for play to continue is there. The result is holding the ball and in the back are so inconsistently enforced that avid fans don't understand anymore.
The throwing needs to be clamped, otherwise in a decade throwing will become part of the game.
If there's a white elephant in the room it'd be Weitering's year... he gifted the Dishlickers their 1st two goals, pretty demoralising stuff. Key defenders can't be gifting the opposition goals as he seems to do too often.
Agree...both him and Simpson were very average today IMO....not sure Weitering being played forward has done his game any good...very devoid of confidence that he doesnt attempt many marks and his first option is the easy short sideways kick. When Weitering is taking contested defensive marks he is at his best but that part of his game seems on hold at the minute...
What it is with these 2nd qtr capitulations? ???
It's almost as if the opposition coaches sit back and use the first 15 minutes of the game as a 'sighter'. Move this player there, shark to Kruezer's taps, turn up the pressure on the forward line (knowing we'll turn it over), and ... checkmate.
We were uncharacteristically tentative today. The boys didn't seem to have the confidence or self-belief to take the bold option. Ball movement was glacial which was disappointing. Hope Bolton's desire for "system and process" is not at the expense of flair and creativity.
It's almost as if the opposition coaches sit back and use the first 15 minutes of the game as a 'sighter'. Move this player there, shark to Kruezer's taps, turn up the pressure on the forward line (knowing we'll turn it over), and ... checkmate.
We were uncharacteristically tentative today. The boys didn't seem to have the confidence or self-belief to take the bold option. Ball movement was glacial which was disappointing. Hope Bolton's desire for "system and process" is not at the expense of flair and creativity.
I don't know, they looked tired to me, from the outset- last weeks game was punishing and of course they should be at a standard where they can put in week after week but they are a young side.
Doesn't help when you're good senior players have stinkers either.
Casbolts miss in the last was just unacceptable. I like him and want him to succeed but just unacceptable. If that hadve gone thru we would've had a sniff.
What it is with these 2nd qtr capitulations? ???
It's all about variety. Just something different to those 3rd qtr capitulations we used to have..lol.
If there's a white elephant in the room it'd be Weitering's year... he gifted the Dishlickers their 1st two goals, pretty demoralising stuff. Key defenders can't be gifting the opposition goals as he seems to do too often.
Yes indeed. They were two howlers. Then again, that's the same number of errors that are in the title of this thread. Thought he did all right after that.
It's all about variety. Just something different to those 3rd qtr capitulations we used to have..lol.
Nailed it :)
What hurt alot was those late goals the Dogs got at the end of the 3rd qtr. A manageable 14pts quickly become 26 at 3/4 time. We could save ourselves a few goals a game is we looked after things in red time.
I don't know, they looked tired to me, from the outset- last weeks game was punishing and of course they should be at a standard where they can put in week after week but they are a young side.
Doesn't help when you're good senior players have stinkers either.
Casbolts miss in the last was just unacceptable. I like him and want him to succeed but just unacceptable. If that hadve gone thru we would've had a sniff.
...which lifts everyone's spirits, ...when he misses such an easy one at a crucial stage you can almost visibly see the collective shoulders slump. He seems to make a habit of that...
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We are not going to be successful until we can start hitting the scoreboard........ it's been a problem for a while now. ( obviously Casboult missing from 15 mtrs out when the game is on the line doesn't help but we are still not capable of kicking winning scores )
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We are not going to be successful until we can start hitting the scoreboard........ it's been a problem for a while now. ( obviously Casboult missing from 15 mtrs out when the game is on the line doesn't help but we are still not capable of kicking winning scores )
I don't think Bolts has said we have the cattle to get us a premierships now, unfortunately rebuilds take time and we have the defence set now pretty much so time to turn our attention to other deficiencies. Goal kicking being the glaring one.
casbolt can look so good when he takes marks but boy that kick on goal was a gimme - unacceptable to miss that. Every once in a while that happening well you say crap happens, unfortunately it is too c ommon. Feel sorry for the bloke but he hadn't done a big chase down so was puffed, he hadn't been stretched much, there was no reason he should've missed that. None.
there was no reason he should've missed that. None.
I was in my local public bar with about 20 odd people... I roared when he took the mark and laughed and said "we can win this, even he cant miss this from there " and got a lot laughs......... I got a lot more laughs when he missed......... farrrrrrrrrrrk grrrrrrrrrrrrrr
I will watch the reply tomorrow and see if it was my beer goggles playing tricks or not .... :(
I would love the Bont to come to CFC - love the way he goes about it
I thought that was poor today. We need to use the ball better through the centre corridor.
Yes indeed. They were two howlers. Then again, that's the same number of errors that are in the title of this thread. Thought he did all right after that.
Weiters is fine. Kerridge and Graham are not.
SPS was rubbish today, along with Graham and Casboult.
WOG = Graham 10m clear kicking to players who are 20m clear and missing them by 10m. The other possessions and stats become meaningless when you burn opportunities like that, Casboult take note!
Casboult, he can't kick, had almost no impact at ground level, and when he went into the ruck he surrender all of Kreuzer's hard won momentum, worse the Bulldogs are a team with only B-Grade rucks and 2nd efforts from a ruck can easily negate their small midfield tactics!
WTF is wrong with Sumner?
...............not sure Weitering being played forward has done his game any good...
We've(our club) have set this kids career back two seasons, we did this voluntarily and deliberately! In fact he may never get back to where he was, the yips are in his head now and they are fecking hard to clear! Torn muscles are dead easy to repair compared to psychological damage!
Graham kills me.
He gets it but doesn't use it very well unfortunately. That kick to a clear JSOS that would've had him nearly in front lining up for goal, that instead went way clear of him to the pocket and then was cleared by Bulldogs, just had our entire CFC section groaning in dismay.
Just can't do that type of stuff, time and again.
Weiters will be fine. Personally I think he looks a bit injured, a bit slow. A good rest over the off season and he'll be back and firing next year no worries. Saying the club has broken him - we aren't the same club we were X years ago. I have full faith in Bolton and just think he knows exactly what he's doing and where everyone's at.
I have full faith in Bolton and just think he knows exactly what he's doing and where everyone's at.
I agree, but those smiles are long gone! :o
Bolton needs to get his boyish enthusiasm back, that infectious positivity, then things will turn around.
For mine, Sumner is one I have reservations about. I've been a hopeful fan since his arrival. Just let him get an injury free run and he'll show his worth. Unfortunately, I don't think he's got what we need at this stage of the club's rebuild.
These last weeks will be the last hoorah for many. Do or die time. Then it'll be over to SOS n co.
Unfortunately he will always be limited by his previous foot injury. A neat players but doesn't get enough or do enough with it when he has it.
I was at training a few weeks ago and he was limited to set shots only (Saturday training) and I overheard him saying to someone it was because of his foot.
Watched on the Tele, not many likes tbh but thought lamb did OK and is worth persevering with. Kruezer had a free run at it and looked ok, doc I thought tried hard but was lost in the middle. Kerridge got stuck in also and is worth another season or two.
Murph, Simmo and Gibbs all poor.
Plenty of names to draw the line through at season end :
Buckley ????
Graham (trade)
Boekhurst
Summer
Sos will have an interesting time getting in good quality picks, still reckon Gibbs will be traded.
Agree re Gibbs being traded. Reckon his value has gone up as have heard a few say Adelaide need another A grade midfielder.
To me too, Gibbs looks uninterested. When Samo kicked that one to him in our back 50 that was short and got turned over the others went to Samo and patted him but Gibbs just walked to the middle. Thought that said something about a senior leadership group player not going over to say it's ok.
Agree about Lamb, there's something about him, I'd persevere.
Interesting that whilst many have bagged Graham (and even Gibbs) other gave both decent votes in the Jim Park?
Haven't seen the game yet, hopefully tonight.
Interesting that whilst many have bagged Graham (and even Gibbs) other gave both decent votes in the Jim Park?
Haven't seen the game yet, hopefully tonight.
They were both pretty clearly in the top 5-7 players by any measure. Graham wasn't too bad, had it 23 times and kicked a goal + 2 goal assists. Made a few errors, but wasn't alone in that. With Cripps and Curnow missing he did ok, but like a few on here I don't think he is AFL quality as he doesn't have a major weapon.
Gibbs played a 'standard' Gibbs game - got good numbers but didn't really impact the game hugely. Bont on the other hand was exceptional for them.
It was a disappointing but not unexpected performance given the line up. Sumner, Boek and Buckley aren't good enough, even with the wide open spaces yesterday and their careers on the line. We keep putting out the same forward line, despite our constant inability to kick goals. Fisher and Jack couldn't hit the scoreboard, and Cas was his usual self - 12 possessions, 1 goal and a howler when the team needed him to kick a goal to go with his 1 tackle. He kills me that guy.
With 6 weeks to go I would play Pickett, H and Macreadie each game - these guys are at least going to be at the club next year.
Could Murphy be any softer? What a piss poor effort from him today, especially when he pulled out of going with the flight of the ball. What a sh*t-house example for the young guys.
Soft, soft, f*ckin' soft!
He can't be made captain again and surely we could look at trading him at years end. I've had enough of his weak efforts. We could get some decent picks and continue with the rebuild. He's not giving the club anything. Nothing in the media, on field or anything else. Time to go Marc and don't let the door hit you on your way out.
By the way, you can take your mate Gibbs with you as well. Without Cripps the both of them couldn't win a hard ball to save themselves. Shows how much a 21 year old Cripps carries these two. They should be ashamed of themselves.
I won't be as savage as you but I agree in principal. Gibbs is actually playing good footy but he wants to go so we should make it happen and do everything in our power to get Josh Kelly. Murphy started the season well but has dropped off since the St Kilda game when the sledged the crap out of him. I thought we could wait till Weitering came of age but I don't think we can anymore and have to make Docherty captain for 2018.
With 6 weeks to go I would play Pickett, H and Macreadie each game - these guys are at least going to be at the club next year.
You wouldn't be saying that if you'd watched the VFL on Saturday.
Pickett took a big hanger but did almost nothing else, Macredie had a bag kicked on him and Harry barely touched the ball in the first half although he was marginally better after he was swung into the ruck after half time.
Sumner, Buckley, Boekhorst and to a lesser extent Graham, Kerridge and Lamb aren't good enough for senior AFL football but the cupboard is pretty bare with Cripps, Curnow, Thomas and Cunningham unavailable.
There's no alternative to Casboult, we're stuck with him for the immediate future although even Jaksch could provide more.
If all we're looking at is winning games then we'll pick Armfield, Smedts and Palmer next week, and Sheehan shouldn't have been dropped in the first place.
Sumner, Buckley and Boekhorst can play out the season in the VFL then pack their bags for all I care.
What did people think of Byrnes game?
Also - Matty Wright - for an overall crap game by the club, his Goal kicking is just excellent
What did people think of Byrnes game?
Also - Matty Wright - for an overall crap game by the club, his Goal kicking is just excellent
I thought Byrne looked good in bursts but clearly lacked a run, he is obviously capable at AFL level if he can get on the park but I fear time is running out for both him and Sheehan.
Wright is a 24x7 footballer and I think we need another 4 or 5 like that, players of work rate and attitude with reliable skills not the Wright size or speed, rather than a single $1M player.
FWIW, I thought Lamb looked much better, obviously that Bachar hit has flicked a switch and he's no longer going to be somebodies bitch! He's realised that in AFL being fair means being roadkill!
Yes indeed. They were two howlers. Then again, that's the same number of errors that are in the title of this thread. Thought he did all right after that.
:)) :)) :)) there probably is an explanation though, your one s dissection is not quite so severe... and the Western Bulldogs are still in Hawaii partying... ;) ;) ;D
What did people think of Byrnes game?
Also - Matty Wright - for an overall crap game by the club, his Goal kicking is just excellent
Byrne showed why the club recently signed him for a further two years, he beat Bontempelli one on one in a contest and that was the only time any of our players managed the feat for the day.
He's a rare talent, keeping in mind that yesterday was only his 13th senior game.
Wright is an honest foot soldier and well worth his place on the list, but we desperately need another small forward or two.
You wouldn't be saying that if you'd watched the VFL on Saturday.
Pickett took a big hanger but did almost nothing else, Macredie had a bag kicked on him and Harry barely touched the ball in the first half although he was marginally better after he was swung into the ruck after half time.
Sumner, Buckley, Boekhorst and to a lesser extent Graham, Kerridge and Lamb aren't good enough for senior AFL football but the cupboard is pretty bare with Cripps, Curnow, Thomas and Cunningham unavailable.
There's no alternative to Casboult, we're stuck with him for the immediate future although even Jaksch could provide more.
If all we're looking at is winning games then we'll pick Armfield, Smedts and Palmer next week, and Sheehan shouldn't have been dropped in the first place.
Sumner, Buckley and Boekhorst can play out the season in the VFL then pack their bags for all I care.
I agree with you totally that the VFL form doesn't warrant selection - but it's a 'lesser of 2 evils' argument in my mind. With the VFL side undermanned and getting pumped what development are the young guys with some 'potential' going to get?? I just don't see the point of playing guys over the next 6 weeks who aren't going to be some chance of being in the side come rd1 2018. Harry, Macreadie, Smedts and Pickett are probably the only fit senior listed players who fit that bill right now.
The arguments on the pro's and con's for H are difficult to judge from afar - but at the moment I would take the risk and play him to see if with better players around him he can lift. The fact that the MC aren't prepared to give him a game given our current situation is ringing alarm bells for me about where they think he is at, and that is a really big concern given he is the only answer we have right now to our woeful forward line.
I reckon Graham has shown enough that he is just not good enough. If it were up to me, he wouldnt be getting another senior game.
Boekhurst was better on Sunday than I have ever seen him, but I don't think he has it in him. I would continue playing him this season to see whether the game on the weekend was an aberration, or if he might have learned something in the 2s that could see him as an adequate backup for another season.
I think Lamb can make it. He puts himself in good positions and uses the ball reasonably well. He is no elite player, but for where we are he makes an adequate back up player.
Similar with Sumner, I'd persevere a bit longer. We don't have a lot of depth and he can come in and fill a position adequately.
I am not a good enough judge for Byrne... He does seem to have something about him, but my 2 reservations would be
1. Is his body up to it, when is bad luck bad protoplasm as we say in the medical trade.
2. I think some of the Irish (and other international players) struggle with not having grown up with the game, in terms of reading the play.
@Deags.
Some good ball users, players who make fast, correct decisions and can hit targets, will make the likes of Lamb
and Silvagni look a lot better for the very reasons you state. They work hard to get to the right positions, but they are not rewarded due to poor disposals.
Get someone who can quickly hit them by foot, and they'll have extra time and space to use the ball. At the moment they are always disposing of the ball under immediate pressure.
Byrne showed why the club recently signed him for a further two years, he beat Bontempelli one on one in a contest and that was the only time any of our players managed the feat for the day.
He's a rare talent, keeping in mind that yesterday was only his 13th senior game.
Wright is an honest foot soldier and well worth his place on the list, but we desperately need another small forward or two.
We need to get Jared Pickett fit and firing. And interested....
With the injury toll mounting playing VFL won't be the same learning experience as earlier in the year when players were surrounded by a more mature group.
In fact it's probably better for their development that the younger group get an understanding of what's expected at senior level before they launch into a pre-season.
One last look at some of the fringe players before the slicing and dicing.
Time to put the lid on season 2017 and start "cooking" for 2018....and hope that we have a better chef than we had the last lot we cooked.
@Deags.
Some good ball users, players who make fast, correct decisions and can hit targets, will make the likes of Lamb
and Silvagni look a lot better for the very reasons you state. They work hard to get to the right positions, but they are not rewarded due to poor disposals.
Get someone who can quickly hit them by foot, and they'll have extra time and space to use the ball. At the moment they are always disposing of the ball under immediate pressure.
Totally agree re Silvagni. His football brain is light years ahead of any of our other forwards. He works and works, and just instinctively knows where to put himself... But alas doesn't get rewarded. If he could take a leaf out of Cripps book and get his pace "up to pace" so to speak, and we could get some decent delivery he could be anything.
Totally agree re Silvagni. His football brain is light years ahead of any of our other forwards. He works and works, and just instinctively knows where to put himself... But alas doesn't get rewarded. If he could take a leaf out of Cripps book and get his pace "up to pace" so to speak, and we could get some decent delivery he could be anything.
The kid isn't as slow as people think, his gate makes him look like he is just meandering a bit like his old man or The Hyphen, but he covers ground at a good rate.
However I agree, if he can work on his pace/power like Cripps has he'll see a massive benefit to his game.
I am not a good enough judge for Byrne... He does seem to have something about him, but my 2 reservations would be
1. Is his body up to it, when is bad luck bad protoplasm as we say in the medical trade.
2. I think some of the Irish (and other international players) struggle with not having grown up with the game, in terms of reading the play.
There are exceptions, Kennelly and Tuohy being the most recent, Tuohy is on track for AA selection this season.
Byrne was an outstanding Gaelic footballer, from memory the youngest ever to be selected in the all Ireland side, and he's shown enough in his dozen or so games to be confident that he's handled the transition.
What did people think of Byrnes game?
Also - Matty Wright - for an overall crap game by the club, his Goal kicking is just excellent
Byrne has talent, its staying on the park that is going to be his problem.....
Wright is the best kick for goal in the team...a 12 month extension only was a tad shabby offer IMO unless Wright is happy with that arrangement...
We need to get Jared Pickett fit and firing. And interested....
It's hard to get enthusiastic about Pickett, he seems to flash in and out of the game as he feels like it and tries to hit the highlight reel with every second possession, not that he gets many.
Byrne has talent, its staying on the park that is going to be his problem.....
Wright is the best kick for goal in the team...a 12 month extension only was a tad shabby offer IMO unless Wright is happy with that arrangement...
Realistically he wouldn't get any better offers, but he's worth two years to us.
Byrne has talent, its staying on the park that is going to be his problem.....
Wright is the best kick for goal in the team...a 12 month extension only was a tad shabby offer IMO unless Wright is happy with that arrangement...
Agree, can lay a tackle, has some decent endurance, has a bit of mongrel, is still one of our leading goal kickers, and can kick straight. Not much more you can expect from a small forward. One can only marvel at the Crows depth if they let someone like him go.
Once you get past the obligatory Murph, Gibbs, Cripps, and Krooz, he would have to be one of the first picked thereafter.
2. I think some of the Irish (and other international players) struggle with not having grown up with the game, in terms of reading the play.
Jim Stynes and Sean Wight went alright.
I didn't say ALL!!!
Touhy went alright, Keneally went alright... There are plenty more who didn't is my point.
I don't think 12 games is enough time to say he will.
Wright is the best kick for goal in the team...a 12 month extension only was a tad shabby offer IMO unless Wright is happy with that arrangement...
EB1, he could be on the way back home to SA which might explain the 1 year deal!
Sign him up, then negotiate a swap with a Vic lad!
There is any number of circumstances that might see both player and club happy with a single year deal.
On a slightly different note, saw Cripps pre-match with Simon White.
Got alongside Cripps to compare height... I'm about 192cms... he towered over me... I knew he was tall, but he is a big unit!
EB1, he could be on the way back home to SA which might explain the 1 year deal!
Sign him up, then negotiate a swap with a Vic lad!
There is any number of circumstances that might see both player and club happy with a single year deal.
We probably offered him more money for a one year deal rather than two, and given his form, he would be silly not to accept it and demand two years on less cash. Odds are we are just balancing our ledger anyway and he is just taking the better option.
Sometimes there is more to list manager than giving more time at the club.
On a slightly different note, saw Cripps pre-match with Simon White.
Got alongside Cripps to compare height... I'm about 192cms... he towered over me... I knew he was tall, but he is a big unit!
Wow -192cm. Half your luck.
I can't understand how we can kick into the opposition so many times. Simpson has been bad for this the last two weeks.
We rarely alert the umpires when an opposition player encroaches the 10 metre area. They creep in close and the umpires do SFA. Do our players lack the confidence?
Kruezer played ruck v Bontampelli many times and had ample opportunity to crash into him. Rarely happened including a mark where Kruezer was blocked. He should have taken him out and won a free kick.
JJ was given far more reign than any other club has allowed him for a month.
We need some aggression and ruthlessness
I can't understand how we can kick into the opposition so many times. Simpson has been bad for this the last two weeks.
We rarely alert the umpires when an opposition player encroaches the 10 metre area. They creep in close and the umpires do SFA. Do our players lack the confidence?
Kruezer played ruck v Bontampelli many times and had ample opportunity to crash into him. Rarely happened including a mark where Kruezer was blocked. He should have taken him out and won a free kick.
JJ was given far more reign than any other club has allowed him for a month.
We need some aggression and ruthlessness
This very thing crossed my mind during the game. Clubs that have after him have shown he goes into his shell and has nil impact on the game. We are far to nice and accomodating, this is were a ruthless kent like Hodge could help our blokes as a coach.
I can't understand how we can kick into the opposition so many times. Simpson has been bad for this the last two weeks.
We rarely alert the umpires when an opposition player encroaches the 10 metre area. They creep in close and the umpires do SFA. Do our players lack the confidence?
Kruezer played ruck v Bontampelli many times and had ample opportunity to crash into him. Rarely happened including a mark where Kruezer was blocked. He should have taken him out and won a free kick.
JJ was given far more reign than any other club has allowed him for a month.
We need some aggression and ruthlessness
Amen, one reason why I am a Simon White fan. Reckon he could be a 'nasty' fella if given some licence....
Amen, one reason why I am a Simon White fan. Reckon he could be a 'nasty' fella if given some licence....
He plays for Carlton, he'd get rubbed out for looking at an opponent cross eyed.
I can't understand how we can kick into the opposition so many times. Simpson has been bad for this the last two weeks.
We rarely alert the umpires when an opposition player encroaches the 10 metre area. They creep in close and the umpires do SFA. Do our players lack the confidence?
Kruezer played ruck v Bontampelli many times and had ample opportunity to crash into him. Rarely happened including a mark where Kruezer was blocked. He should have taken him out and won a free kick.
JJ was given far more reign than any other club has allowed him for a month.
We need some aggression and ruthlessness
Bontempelli surprised me with his size...while smaller in height he looked heavier than Kruezer in the upper body...banging into ruckman isnt Kruezers style.
re: JJ..yep we dont man players up very well at all....Lamb had JJ but after the initial push and shove stuff wore off he got away from him..our mids get plenty of ball but rarely play on their men and the opposition mids usually get plenty of ball too.
Player accountability even though we play a extra man or two zone defense isnt one of our strong points Docherty and Simpson rebound but they dont defend much....
I can't understand how we can kick into the opposition so many times. Simpson has been bad for this the last two weeks.
We rarely alert the umpires when an opposition player encroaches the 10 metre area. They creep in close and the umpires do SFA. Do our players lack the confidence?
Kruezer played ruck v Bontampelli many times and had ample opportunity to crash into him. Rarely happened including a mark where Kruezer was blocked. He should have taken him out and won a free kick.
JJ was given far more reign than any other club has allowed him for a month.
We need some aggression and ruthlessness
We had a bit of that aggression a few weeks ago when we would target players, re:Ablett. At the point too our skills were alot better too. We were getting very Hawthorn-like. We've dropped off all that the last couple of weeks. We need to get all that back. Bolton certainly wasn't pleased with our ball use last week. Sometimes that can be focus too and we certainly weren't switched on mentally last week.
We had a bit of that aggression a few weeks ago when we would target players, re:Ablett. At the point too our skills were alot better too. We were getting very Hawthorn-like. We've dropped off all that the last couple of weeks. We need to get all that back. Bolton certainly wasn't pleased with our ball use last week. Sometimes that can be focus too and we certainly weren't switched on mentally last week.
No side can cover half a dozen B and C graders.
We had a bit of that aggression a few weeks ago when we would target players, re:Ablett. At the point too our skills were alot better too. We were getting very Hawthorn-like. We've dropped off all that the last couple of weeks. We need to get all that back. Bolton certainly wasn't pleased with our ball use last week. Sometimes that can be focus too and we certainly weren't switched on mentally last week.
if we're going to show how tough we are, I'd much prefer we did it the Swans way - playing tough, hard at it footy, head over the ball etc. Targeting kids (Mills) or nice guys (Ablett), cheap shots behind the play etc., is precisely the sort of thing we've been whinging about for ages.
I liked the way we targeted Jordan Lewis :)
I liked the way we targeted Jordan Lewis :)
See I thought it became a distraction at the expense of winning the game and also off sided the umpires, and that we may have over corrected this week.
I think our coach and team may have arrived to a similar conclusion as me too.
In any case, we will learn from that, and this week might be a game of "bruise free" footy given where Brisbane are coming from.
No side can cover half a dozen B and C graders.
Its true, and to go with that, I think we might have made too many changes to our "best 22" for last weeks game further upsetting the apple cart.
T.Watson had a swipe at Carlton on 'Talking Footy' last night. We are apparently CLEARLY the main ringleaders for 'targeting' opposition star players when discussing off the ball niggling. Bewildering ! I'm sure the Selwoods of the world don't lose sleep over the thought of a Bryce Gibbs nudge.
Never misses an opportunity to sink the boot into the old foe does old Timmy boy, no matter how misguided or hypocritical his accusations are. Essendon got away with 'negating' tactics during Sheedy/Hird era as Murphy & Greg Williams could attest. Don't worry Timmo...Woosha will be assembling his own squad of dirty snipers and nigglers for next year, once their current gameplan fizzles out. It's in their DNA !
if we're going to show how tough we are, I'd much prefer we did it the Swans way - playing tough, hard at it footy, head over the ball etc. Targeting kids (Mills) or nice guys (Ablett), cheap shots behind the play etc., is precisely the sort of thing we've been whinging about for ages.
Wasn't cheap shots, it was an attempt at intimidation, both at the contest as well as letting them know we are about. On both occasions it worked well. Ablett didn't have a great game against us.
Wasn't cheap shots, it was an attempt at intimidation, both at the contest as well as letting them know we are about. On both occasions it worked well. Ablett didn't have a great game against us.
No doubt there are people on this planet that are impressed by this. I know they're only 13, but think of the damage done.
No side can cover half a dozen B and C graders.
Or too many kids who can't get near it at this point of their development.
The intimidation stuff worked vs Ablett but fell over vs Lewis who seemed to be able to handle it better I guess because thats a factor of his game too...problem was in the Melbourne game the umps seemed to get fed up up with it and started paying silly frees against us...
I remember when Ryan Crowley was king of close tagging/pinching/pushing etc and those tactics worked for a while until a few of the big names like Harvey/Ablett/coaches started to complain and I think the AFL decided it wasnt a great look and Crowley got no love from the umps at all and was even getting whacked behind play himself and it was ignored. These things go in cycles and I think we need to learn from the Melbourne game that there is a limit and when the umps have had enough we need to back off.
Martin getting off also shows the big stars have a bit of licence to hit back and that no name taggers are going to be fair game...
Massively overblown, it's not like players are getting king hit off the ball (except for Jed Lamb!).
Every team does the bumping/pushing/shoving stuff... including Sydney... umpires should just pay a free kick if it goes to far. It is usually done to put specific players off their game.
Lewis a slightly different case - he did whack Cripps earlier in the year and showed zero remorse - absolutely should have been given a tough time. He had the last laugh... that's footy.
If the situation was reversed Lewis would do the same thing.
Massively overblown, it's not like players are getting king hit off the ball (except for Jed Lamb!).
Every team does the bumping/pushing/shoving stuff... including Sydney... umpires should just pay a free kick if it goes to far. It is usually done to put specific players off their game.
Lewis a slightly different case - he did whack Cripps earlier in the year and showed zero remorse - absolutely should have been given a tough time. He had the last laugh... that's footy.
If the situation was reversed Lewis would do the same thing.
Lewis is a more of a whack them once type player rather than niggle all day, think he is too old for that stuff ie when he clobbered Goldstein...be interested to see if Nick Robertson from Brisbane gets another job this week vs Gibbs, Murphy etc. Think he fancies himself as a tough guy , not sure our blokes have the same capabilities as Dusty to release some of that pressure...
Lewis is a more of a whack them once type player rather than niggle all day, think he is too old for that stuff ie when he clobbered Goldstein...be interested to see if Nick Robertson from Brisbane gets another job this week vs Gibbs, Murphy etc. Think he fancies himself as a tough guy , not sure our blokes have the same capabilities as Dusty to release some of that pressure...
I think he'd have got Cripps, but I doubt they'll need to tag us much at all. Better to keep Gibbs and Murphy working on the inside and leave them in there giving the ball to those who only burn it!
If they tag them too much BB might give them a rest on a flank or wing and improve our ball use!
See I thought it became a distraction at the expense of winning the game and also off sided the umpires, and that we may have over corrected this week.
I think our coach and team may have arrived to a similar conclusion as me too.
In any case, we will learn from that, and this week might be a game of "bruise free" footy given where Brisbane are coming from.
Its true, and to go with that, I think we might have made too many changes to our "best 22" for last weeks game further upsetting the apple cart.
I thought the treatment of Lewis was measured and well within the rules. Docherty even received a free kick for his bone-jarring tackle on him. Of course, the pressure went off Lewis to some extent when Cripps was injured.
I don't think our mental and physical hardness is any longer an issue, we lost against Melbourne because Cripps was out of the game before half time and we lost last weekend because we had an average team on the park.
We played both games out until the bell, the Melbourne loss was actually a very good effort and our lack of skilled players told against Footscray.
We'll be much better with a full list but we badly need to build our depth, having to select players who clearly aren't up to it is embarassing.
No doubt there are people on this planet that are impressed by this. I know they're only 13, but think of the damage done.
There was nothing untoward, unlike what happened to Lamb, and what Bugg did to Mills. Huge difference.
There was nothing untoward, unlike what happened to Lamb, and what Bugg did to Mills. Huge difference.
We should concentrate on building our skill level, our depth, our midfield and our forward line rather than focusing on faux toughness. If Bolton thought it was such a grand idea, we'd still be doing it.
We should concentrate on building our skill level, our depth, our midfield and our forward line rather than focusing on faux toughness. If Bolton thought it was such a grand idea, we'd still be doing it.
We are at times. Occasionally you know who you can target.
Lewis is a more of a whack them once type player rather than niggle all day, think he is too old for that stuff ie when he clobbered Goldstein...be interested to see if Nick Robertson from Brisbane gets another job this week vs Gibbs, Murphy etc. Think he fancies himself as a tough guy , not sure our blokes have the same capabilities as Dusty to release some of that pressure...
Think he got rubbed out?
But you were right earlier - umpires will be watching him pretty closely in future.
We are at times. Occasionally you know who you can target.
That sort of behavior turns footy into a tawdry spectacle for tawdry individuals. I pay money to see guys like Gazza play great footy, not to see a bunch of buffoonish clowns smack him for 4 quarters.
That sort of behavior turns footy into a tawdry spectacle for tawdry individuals. I pay money to see guys like Gazza play great footy, not to see a bunch of buffoonish clowns smack him for 4 quarters.
Likewise, but you'd be surprised how many football supporters like a bit of biffo.
That sort of behavior turns footy into a tawdry spectacle for tawdry individuals. I pay money to see guys like Gazza play great footy, not to see a bunch of buffoonish clowns smack him for 4 quarters.
No-one smacked him at all. They bumped and pushed him, tackled him extra hard, told him all about it after, and made him physically earn every kick. What was wrong with it? Nothing at all unfair. You might pay money to see play well against us but I prefer we reduced his influence so we can win.
Likewise, but you'd be surprised how many football supporters like a bit of biffo.
My definition of biffo is more in the line of all in brawls, dust ups etc. This is not the same IMO. 18 against 1 is cowardly, tawdry stuff.
No-one smacked him at all. They bumped and pushed him, tackled him extra hard, told him all about it after, and made him physically earn every kick. What was wrong with it? Nothing at all unfair. You might pay money to see play well against us but I prefer we reduced his influence so we can win.
If every single game you watched featured this sort of behaviour, you would very quickly figure out what is wrong with it.
Think he got rubbed out?
But you were right earlier - umpires will be watching him pretty closely in future.
Yep you are right, suspended..he wont be playing this week...his absence might give Gibbs or Murphy some breathing space..
If every single game you watched featured this sort of behaviour, you would very quickly figure out what is wrong with it.
Alot of games do. Intimidation is a part of the game.
No-one smacked him at all. They bumped and pushed him, tackled him extra hard, told him all about it after, and made him physically earn every kick. What was wrong with it? Nothing at all unfair. You might pay money to see play well against us but I prefer we reduced his influence so we can win.
+2.
Alot of games do. Intimidation is a part of the game.
x2. Negating tactics are part of the game, always have been, always will be.
Paul isn't talking about your standard push and shove. A whole squad targetting one guy is a bit too much. The umpires need to start paying frees to stamp this crap out.
Paul isn't talking about your standard push and shove. A whole squad targetting one guy is a bit too much. The umpires need to start paying frees to stamp this crap out.
thank you mbb. I agree 100% about the frees.
Alot of games do. Intimidation is a part of the game.
That's not intimidation. The Roughead hit on Hannebery in the 1st q of the 2014 GF - that's intimidation.
Paul isn't talking about your standard push and shove. A whole squad targetting one guy is a bit too much. The umpires need to start paying frees to stamp this crap out.
Understand, dont disagree.
Understand, dont disagree.
And what of the "one guy's" 21 team mates?