Just saw a presser where Ernie Merrick absolutely smashed the referees performance. The penalties to the other mob were a disgrace and influenced the game 100%. Should coaches be allowed to speak their mind?
hewent hard, didn't he. It was a terrible decision - the hand ball penalty - as was the earlier offside call (that cost them a goal).
I can understand why umpires are protected: it is difficult enough to get any umpires at the best of times, without them being criticized for every misstep. However, they must also be accountable: almost every other job is. When umpires make mistakes, they should admit to it. Again, I understand why they do not: we are a society where litigation is commonplace and sometimes over the top. But decisions are made the change the fate of games. That cannot be ignored.
I think there should be an avenue for a coach and club to say they aer raising a concern over the umpire as they think the match was poorly refereed, but it has to be 100% respectful.
Poor behaviour by top level coaches just encourages coaches at lower levels. They are not going to change a result by bitching to the media about it, so really it is just meeting their own desire to get steam off and protect against pressure from a result.
Allow the media to ask about a decision, state that you think they got it wrong and yes you will be raising it with the relevant bodies and then move on. Never get personal, never imply that a ref/umpire lacks integrity.
I think there should be an avenue for a coach and club to say they aer raising a concern over the umpire as they think the match was poorly refereed, but it has to be 100% respectful.
Poor behaviour by top level coaches just encourages coaches at lower levels. They are not going to change a result by bitching to the media about it, so really it is just meeting their own desire to get steam off and protect against pressure from a result.
Allow the media to ask about a decision, state that you think they got it wrong and yes you will be raising it with the relevant bodies and then move on. Never get personal, never imply that a ref/umpire lacks integrity.
It can’t be public.
“There are decisions we will seek clarification on” should be all that is allowed publicly, and if that comment is not followed up by the club by making a formal complaint they should be penalised.
There should be a public explanation as a result of such complaints/investigations, maybe not every case, but enough to cover most situations...
Players and umpires will always make mistakes... all we can do is ensure the integrity of the errors (honest mistakes and not corruption or vendetta)
Largely I believe umpiring mistakes are like picking up an oval footy, just part of the game.
Weak as piss from coaches, coaches potting umpires should be suspended!
It's up to the FA to be strong, they need to be seen to discipline poor umpiring by relegation to lower leagues.
Coaches and players need to keep their mouth shut!
It can’t be public.
“There are decisions we will seek clarification on” should be all that is allowed publicly, and if that comment is not followed up by the club by making a formal complaint they should be penalised.
There should be a public explanation as a result of such complaints/investigations, maybe not every case, but enough to cover most situations...
Players and umpires will always make mistakes... all we can do is ensure the integrity of the errors (honest mistakes and not corruption or vendetta)
Largely I believe umpiring mistakes are like picking up an oval footy, just part of the game.
See I see the point of why you say that, but I still think a little differently...
Let's take soccer and there is a contentious red card.
A bad decision in that sport to send a player off will more often than not cost a team the game.
So it is a major talking point afterwards.
There is nothing wrong imo with a coach answering a question honestly when asked.. Do you think the referee got that right?
If you say "No, I thought it was wrong, I don't think there was contact"
I don't think anybody gets hurt by that.
If you say.. look, that referee is corrupt.. he likes to be the big show himself instead of just doing his job.
Well then you are lacking respect for the position and need to be penalised.
But i think we try way too hard to sterilize all of our environments and it isn't even the 'human' way. We have opinions, we have a society that encourage free speech in a respectful manner and I don't see sports situations as being any different.
I don't think players or coaches should ever be able to "tee off" on a referee or a coach. But you should be able to say that you don't think a decision or multiple decisions went your way.
The nauseating response of "I can't answer that" is just ridiculous in my opinion.
I also see your point, but imagine the Scott brothers having free rein ? ????
10 mins after the game isn’t conducive to calm and rational thinking, so to allow discussion of any issues at that point is too dangerous imho.
Just saw a presser where Ernie Merrick absolutely smashed the referees performance. The penalties to the other mob were a disgrace and influenced the game 100%. Should coaches be allowed to speak their mind?
Merrick has to front up tomorrow morning and will probably cop a hefty fine.
Blaming the referees/umpires is a bad look.
I always hated how in soccer they treats their refs.
Alex Ferguson was the worst at it. The league kept giving him little fines which he wouldn't even miss. His opponents on far lower salaries couldn't say the same so he had free reign to make refs think twice about awarding penalties against Man U. I thought it actually had a big influence.
He should have been fined suspended for at least a month and premiership points taken away for the persistent unchanging behaviour. Particularly when he called one of the refs fat. The suck holes running the premier league simply didn't have the balls to stand up to him.
That filtered down to the lowest league's in England and here. Many refs give it up because of the foul abuse they cop every weekend both from the coaches and the fans.
It is pathetic. You cop some good and bad decisions. Suck it up.
I think you are blaming Alex Ferguson for the way refs are treated at lower levels right Jeza?
I disagree completely. Fergie was a tosser, but you can bet he was a tosser at Aberdeen as well.
Wenger was just as bad at Fergie (and still is). Mourinho also.
But it has been happening at lower leagues for a long time and saying it filtered down from Alex Feguson I think isn't accurate.
In soccer the rules have always been different and you can come out still now and say that you think the referee got the decision wrong, but you can't have a go at their integrity.
But.. you can certainly come out and say.. No, that wasn't a penalty. It was clear to us that it wasn't a penalty and there is no fine for that
Play the ball, not the man, and don't make it personal. Don't say "the umpire got it wrong", say, "we feel the incorrect decision was made".
It's not just semantics. Words are powerful things. Words have started wars, ended wars, helped people fall in love, out of love etc.
Use them wisely.
Play the ball, not the man, and don't make it personal. Don't say "the umpire got it wrong", say, "we feel the incorrect decision was made".
It's not just semantics. Words are powerful things. Words have started wars, ended wars, helped people fall in love, out of love etc.
Use them wisely.
Pheeling philosophical Phaul?
Pheeling philosophical Phaul?
Not your standard footy forum fare I suppose.................
No room for personality in footy because we are far too judgemental about them.
No room for personality in footy because we are far too judgemental about them.
I'm not sure I entirely agree Thry; personality is good as long as it strong, thoughtful, independent and wise. There's no room for sycophants or tossers.
Not your standard footy forum fare I suppose.................
You need to get back in the gutter with the rest of us Paul...we need more AFLX sucks posts and less of
the Ernest Hemingway wartime romantic offerings..... ;) :)..this a fair dinkum football site, cant have posters trying to be
philosophical smartar$es... ;D
I think you are blaming Alex Ferguson for the way refs are treated at lower levels right Jeza?
I disagree completely. Fergie was a tosser, but you can bet he was a tosser at Aberdeen as well.
Wenger was just as bad at Fergie (and still is). Mourinho also.
But it has been happening at lower leagues for a long time and saying it filtered down from Alex Feguson I think isn't accurate.
In soccer the rules have always been different and you can come out still now and say that you think the referee got the decision wrong, but you can't have a go at their integrity.
But.. you can certainly come out and say.. No, that wasn't a penalty. It was clear to us that it wasn't a penalty and there is no fine for that
You're right it's unfair to blame 1 bloke for all of that.
I guess the main point here is that he presented the administrators the perfect chance to make a stand and they bent over. It's not going to change if the administrators don't want it to or lack the required courage.
Rugby Union refs are the best. One word of cheek and you're penalised or off. Quite common for them to say to a disrespectful player - what do you think this is soccer?
You need to get back in the gutter with the rest of us Paul...we need more AFLX sucks posts and less of
the Ernest Hemingway wartime romantic offerings..... ;) :)..this a fair dinkum football site, cant have posters trying to be
philosophical smartar$es... ;D
Yes, and here's me thinking that being an irritating, insufferable, pompous twerp is just what the forum needed.
Silly Paully.
I'm not sure I entirely agree Thry; personality is good as long as it strong, thoughtful, independent and wise. There's no room for sycophants or tossers.
So they can have a personality so long as it passes what you deem to be acceptable??
Basically no room for personality.
So they can have a personality so long as it passes what you deem to be acceptable??
Basically no room for personality.
Yes, I’d like everyone to conform to the standards I set ????
Of course, many folk can’t or won’t but that doesn’t mean that I have to accept it. I may tolerate marginal departures but not tossers and sycophants ????
So they can have a personality so long as it passes what you deem to be acceptable??
Basically no room for personality.
Only if "personality" a code word for abuse?
If you become abusive, subversive or derogatory then you open yourself up to being judged because by your own actions you have already judged someone.
Some people are accustomed or accepting of abuse, possibly because it was the only form of feedback or criticism they were exposed to when growing up, so they think it's normal. It's like those friends everyone has that cannot help but shout whenever they are involved in a debate. They think raising a voice makes a point a winner!
Anyone with personality cops it. These days you have to pay them lip service.