Putrid !!
Couldn't kick straight when it mattered and gave them a half a game headstart !!
Pretenders !!!
Putrid !!
Couldn't kick straight when it mattered and gave them a half a game headstart !!
Pretenders !!!
And he's off >:D
Buckley needs to be a definite player and any other mid needs to step aside for this kid to develop. he has dash and will be a great player. Gibbs, go home. Your too expensive.
Putrid !!
Couldn't kick straight when it mattered and gave them a half a game headstart !!
Pretenders !!!
It was a putrid first half.
Second half was very good
Andrejs has found a new role
Buckley will play next week
Heartbreaking loss but if the boys played with heart like they did in the second half consistently then we stand a chance.
There are misses and there are misses. Garlett's show pony check side is the howler of the year.
id rather the kids being played...if they have the endeavour and ticker buckley showed tonight
Its better than some of the sh1te others served up
played 8 quarters this year and so far have only showed up for 2
3 goals 7 wtf
Putrid !!
Couldn't kick straight when it mattered and gave them a half a game headstart !!
Pretenders !!!
It was a putrid first half.
Second half was very good
Andrejs has found a new role
Buckley will play next week
Heartbreaking loss but if the boys played with heart like they did in the second half consistently then we stand a chance.
That is 100% correct. but when will we see it happen ? When ?
There are misses and there are misses. Garlett's show pony check side is the howler of the year.
Warnock's OOF from 20m out might give it a nudge though.
What a crab !!!! ::)
Putrid !!
Couldn't kick straight when it mattered and gave them a half a game headstart !!
Pretenders !!!
It was a putrid first half.
Second half was very good
Andrejs has found a new role
Buckley will play next week
Heartbreaking loss but if the boys played with heart like they did in the second half consistently then we stand a chance.
That's the problem LR they always play one good 1/2.
id rather the kids being played...if they have the endeavour and ticker buckley showed tonight
Its better than some of the sh1te others served up
played 8 quarters this year and so far have only showed up for 2
It couldn't hurt because at least we might see some desperate efforts and developing for the future.
Someone at the club obviously thought our get out of jail free cards against this mob would last forever.
Good effort in the end. With the new interchange rules, many of your players underdone, it's hard to rein in a 6+ goal lead after half time. Then there's the bad goal kicking, the bad field kicking..........
Neither of these teams will be troubling any of the big boys any time soon.
MBB, your crystal ball is due for a service.
Buckley played for the jumper the WHOLE game. It's a shame he isn't 190cm and 95kg
WHat was the deal with McLean not getting off the bench at 3 quarter time?
id rather the kids being played...if they have the endeavour and ticker buckley showed tonight
Its better than some of the sh1te others served up
played 8 quarters this year and so far have only showed up for 2
It couldn't hurt because at least we might see some desperate efforts and developing for the future.
we need to, whats the fkn point of our recruiting strategy - to let them rot in the 2's?
while many in the 1st don't deserve to play league footy
There are misses and there are misses. Garlett's show pony check side is the howler of the year.
Warnock's OOF from 20m out might give it a nudge though.
What a crab !!!! ::)
The one is the goalsquare he kicked went straight...straight to Vickery......we need to recruit another ruckman and lose a few we have......and Hampson was no great loss either.
Gibbs.....yep you are free to go...
Rowe oh dear God please never again.
Too many butchers in the side, turnovers and poor kicking for goal prevented us from pinching that. Richmond aren't much chop, top 4 my ass. A good side would have put us to the sword to the tune of 10 goals plus.
At least the employees had a dip in the second half memo to HR, Buckley to play entire season (there is the heart of this club), and the entire skills management team to be sacked on the spot. Seven shots at goal within the 50m and all missed, don't mention Garlett I have a Parko-esque vein throbbing still. Disgraceful even for this bunch of mercenaries.
id rather the kids being played...if they have the endeavour and ticker buckley showed tonight
Its better than some of the sh1te others served up
played 8 quarters this year and so far have only showed up for 2
It couldn't hurt because at least we might see some desperate efforts and developing for the future.
we need to, whats the fkn point of our recruiting strategy - to let them rot in the 2's?
while many in the 1st don't deserve to play league footy
Which is why one of Bell or Robbo needs to make way for Graham and Cripps needs to be sub. Kid needs a taste.
If they drop either Menzel or Buckley I will need to take double my Blood Pressure dosage.
I am fkn sick of that smart arsssssse Garlett running into an open goal and trying to be a fkn smart arssssse. If malthouse doesn't bite his head off, because the stupid fwiot does it all the time, then malthouse is Sh!!!!thouse.
Their field kicking is woeful!!
The following need to go.
Rowe, a complete hack.
Mclean, gone!
Ellard starts well then disappears.
White a hack.
Touhey, disgraceful last week and this.
Warnock can't kick to saver his life, never could, never will.
Waite has been letting us down when it counted with his set shots for goal ever since he came to the club.
Bring in: Carazzo Docherty Judd, all of those as soon as they are fit, and Graham and Cripps NOW.
Everitt killed Deledio. Thomas is and will, get better with every game.
Lucas was ok when he came on but like Brainless Robbo, still kicks to the opposition.
Some of you will say we were unlucky, missed shots we should have kicked bulldust bulldust bulldust.
Fact is, if you don't put in for 100 minutes, you don't win.
If you DO put in for 100 minutes, you can overcome the missed shots because you will have far more possession of the ball and therefore more chances to score, just like the 50 minutes they put in, in the second half.
Next week we have got the cheats. If Rowe, White, Ellard, or Mclean are picked, we won't win.
WHat was the deal with McLean not getting off the bench at 3 quarter time?
I'm sure we'll find out. ;)
...Thanks to it being highlighted.
Bring in Wood and Casboult. Couldn't be any worse than what we have.
Once again, you can't fault the desire or work rate, but the skills don't cut it.
Yarran made one mistake for the night, the rest of him was top draw, Buckley showed plenty as did Bell, Thomas is worth every cent, Jamison superb on Riewoldt but like half a dozen others he could have nailed the game and didn't.
A good effort considering the howlers, but I don't think Richmond are much good.
WHat was the deal with McLean not getting off the bench at 3 quarter time?
He is one of my favourite players and he disappointed me big time then
WHat was the deal with McLean not getting off the bench at 3 quarter time?
Got the Sh..s...whats the deal with this site tonight??? Slow as the Blues in the first half....by the way...it's gunna be a long year!!
Bad kicking is bad football. Simples!!
Doesnt matter how you look at it, for the most part, we didnt deserve to win that game. We were bloody terrible. The Tiggers shatt themselves to let us back in. They're not that much better than us TBH.
How is it that Warnock could win the BOG and Worst on ground for the same game? 2 kicks at 0% !!! ::)
Buckley is a keeper. Leave him in and find a few more like him.
Yarran's finally showing his potential and Garlett is showing us why he slipped to the rookie draft >:(
Murph worked his way into it but still aint the player he should be.
Gibbs' 1 effort for the game aint anywhere near enough. Pi55 off to Adel for all I care.
Kudos to Bell, Simmo and later on Waite.
Everitts game after 1/4 time was great and I suppose you'd have to say Curnows was too. I didnt notice Cotchin all that much and assume Curnow had him ????? :-[
Last week we fired early and fell away. this week we start at half time. How dumb is this group of players? Just an even, consistant 4 Qrt effort will do boys.
Enough doom and gloom. Were some positives i thought.
I accept we are not a top 4 team so not judging us like we are.
Nice to see some of the kids show something.
Bell, Buckley and even (Menzel and Lucas in the last quarter) all contributed and had important touches. Thomas looked better for the run and Murphy tried his heart out.
Considering we had No Judd, kruezer, walker, carrazzo and little impact from Gibbs not all is lost.
Not sure who's the bigger D!CKHEAD - Garlett or Vickery? >:(
I want cripps playing asap.
carrots can stay at home and babysit
I m over it - I want kids playing NOW
the season is shot - we are not good enough to beat GWS
id rather miles in the youngsters to start next week - MICK YOU HAVE BEEN TOLD
Not sure who's the bigger D!CKHEAD - Garlett or Vickery? >:(
Garlett.
WHat was the deal with McLean not getting off the bench at 3 quarter time?
Got the Sh..s...whats the deal with this site tonight??? Slow as the Blues in the first half....by the way...it's gunna be a long year!!
Resigned to the fact we will finish bottom 4 I am. Get games into the kids, blokes like Robbo, Rowe, White, Curnow, Warnock are hacks and will get us nowhere. Trade whatever it takes for a decent Ruckman and KP.
We we were missing another tall tonight.....Watson and Kruezer both being out hurt us IMO....even though Buckley played well we were trying to cheat with White at both ends of the ground at various times. I'd like to see Giles in the team....
Rowe isnt up to it and I think his cards are marked.....
The thing that makes me sick is that we now have a rival and bitter rival in Ninthmond. A team of pretenders that will never have a serious assault on the top 4 ever. Yet we struggle to beat them and let them get massive head starts in our games. Games that will draw huge crowds in the future. If it was against Geelong or Hawthorn I could handle it. But Richmond. Seriously ? Mick you should have said No. It would have been better for you, and probably better for us. I'm not going to start on the list but Buckley I really liked, Simpson, Bell and I thought Everitt, Murphy and Henderson were honest workers for most of the game. The rest might need a rest.
Thomas is getting better, Murphy gives everything, Simmo you know what we have, Henderson if he can stay settled is a match winner.
Gibbs I just don't know whats going on, Robinson is a butcher, Warnock why? we had Sam Jacobs ffs, Waite wtf?, Eddie, surely on the last two weeks we pay him his dues, Yarren is a forward almost won the game, Ellard is limited, Rowe is a spud, and White, and Brock (and sook) and Robbo, and Bell, and Lucas, and Warnock......
But most of all it was the misuse of the footy that infuriated me. From the get go, at least six direct turnovers in the first quarter set the tenant of the game tonight. Carlton definitely lost it, they did not win it!!!!!
Rowe just simply looks like a suburban footballer
that entered a competition and won 1st prize to play a senior game
bucks desperation gave me some hope for the rest of this season, must play every game and he will be great, thought warnock was fantastic all night poor kicking is a worry but our lapses will continue to be a drama all year.
Mcleans last game I think, that was the biggest sook act I've seen since he under 16s
My positives were bell, Buckley, Menzel, Everett and daisy,
Negatives - to many to mention but general kicking is a big one, we are a long way off the big boys but a long way to go!!
Time something was done about our goalkicking. It costs too many games. start dropping blokes or fining them for continual misses of easy goals. Much of it has to do with mental laziness. While goalkicking was just part of the story it cost us the game. No more excuses for that aspects.
Never boring being a Carlton supporter. You see absolute brilliance, you see shockers. Never safe when well in front, never out of the game when miles behind. Frustrating but never boring.
Enough doom and gloom. Were some positives i thought.
I accept we are not a top 4 team so not judging us like we are.
Nice to see some of the kids show something.
Bell, Buckley and even (Menzel and Lucas in the last quarter) all contributed and had important touches. Thomas looked better for the run and Murphy tried his heart out.
Considering we had No Judd, kruezer, walker, carrazzo and little impact from Gibbs not all is lost.
I agree with all this. I thought Waite also did some really good things as did Daisy.
Sure we don't want to lose but I think we probably gained a lot from this loss. Our biggest flaw is uncontested turnovers, which I can only put down to either a really lazy attitude or just plain stupidity from most of our players.
Resigned to the fact we will finish bottom 4 I am. Get games into the kids, blokes like Robbo, Rowe, White, Curnow, Warnock are hacks and will get us nowhere. Trade whatever it takes for a decent Ruckman and KP.
Curnow finished 4th in the B&F last year and was the highest placed midfielder, that's gotta tell you something.
We're a mediocre outfit.
Buckley future star, definitely a keeper and must play every game!
Murphy's centre clearance work was exceptional, it was his type of game.
Yarran easily our most dangerous player, liked the way he kept swinging forward and back, almost impossible to stop.
Last week we started well and finished sheizen, this week we start sheizen and finish well. Same old Carlton story, a bit like the Melbourne weather, we get the four seasons in four quarters. Time to play the kids and rebuild.
Enough doom and gloom. Were some positives i thought.
I accept we are not a top 4 team so not judging us like we are.
Nice to see some of the kids show something.
Bell, Buckley and even (Menzel and Lucas in the last quarter) all contributed and had important touches. Thomas looked better for the run and Murphy tried his heart out.
Considering we had No Judd, kruezer, walker, carrazzo and little impact from Gibbs not all is lost.
I agree with all this. I thought Waite also did some really good things as did Daisy.
Sure we don't want to lose but I think we probably gained a lot from this loss. Our biggest flaw is uncontested turnovers, which I can only put down to either a really lazy attitude or just plain stupidity from most of our players.
yeah I agree with this too - but the reality is this team is being paid a 7million per annum with a collective footy spend of 20million
we're not talking about the diamond valley league!
Curnow finished 4th in the B&F last year and was the highest placed midfielder, that's gotta tell you something.
We're a mediocre outfit.
Please!! ::)
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/blues-ed-curnow-emerges-as-afls-no-2-tagger-20140111-30nri.html (http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/blues-ed-curnow-emerges-as-afls-no-2-tagger-20140111-30nri.html)
You can have one of Bell or Robbo in the team but not both IMO........Bell is the better four quarter player onballer IMO
Glad to see Yarran spark our revival and liked his work on Jake King.......Garlett was good but his cute kicks for goal have to be eradicated....
Lucas won the footy well but butchered the ball...
Plaudits to the captain who was BOG IMO...Murphy led the team well and set a good example and was backed up by his right hand man in Kade Simpson who was good when things were tough..
Jamison beat Reiwoldt and Everitt proved what a handy swingman he is...
Dylan Buckley's comeback at Vickery was what impressed me.....the kids has got what it takes and while he makes some errors he has a real crack.
Henderson was ok but the constant moving of him up and down the ground means he never settles to be a a real factor.
Carrazzo and Judd are not the answer...just a very good brand of wallpaper to hide some cracks....both great warriors but we need to invest in youth ie Cripps, Holman, Graham..
Well done to Malthouse tonight. Keep swinging and changing till he got the mixture right.
See what kids like Menzel and Buckley can do.
Tough call on Curnow
Sure he is not silk, but gives his all.
He stays for mine.
White and Rowe are not up to it, Robinson lacks awareness but another who gives it his all.
Liked the game from Buckley, provided run and has a bit of the old man's C in him
Garlett, is he taking the p155?, time for a spell at Northern.
I strongly believe the club pulled the wrong rein, trading Hampson and retaining Warnock.
Like to see Cripps debut soon, gets some games into him
He will be a beauty.
I thought Bell had a great game, seemed to be everywhere. Just butchered the ball too often, he'll learn. At least he was getting his hands on the ball.
Menzel HAS to play full time now, all class.
Buckley is a junior Simmo...all heart, great stuff. You can see he grew up living and breathing Carlton and now relishing the opportunity to wear the jumper.
Thomas is earning his pay packet, showed a bit of leadership too which was good.
We need to play more juniors.
Rowe...sorry but that was your last game for us.
Excuse me and stuff the sports scientist but can the players just KICK at training all week. Let's just say more than the allowed 20 kicks a session. Kick under pressure, kick when they are buggered just more kicking. It's not rocket science.
You can have one of Bell or Robbo in the team but not both IMO........Bell is the better four quarter player onballer IMO
I saw enough tonight to suggest that Bell is going to be a General in our midfield in the not too distant future. He's only 22 and already starting to assert himself. Robbo is on borrowed time unless he can do something about his disposal.
Rowe just simply looks like a suburban footballer
that entered a competition and won 1st prize to play a senior game
I was thinking much the same thing.
Rowe was supposedly recruited as a key forward, but he takes a mark about 45 metres out and rather than give it a crack he goes for a low percentage pass to Waite in the pocket, even if Waite had marked it he was a 10% chance from there.
You don't like knocking blokes having a go and wearing the Carlton jumper but he and White just aren't good enough, it's not their fault.
If Levi can't get a game ahead of either of them his future at Carlton is bleak.
Good game by Bell.
Waite good game, let down by poor kicking
Robbo, works hard, gets himself into good position, but he must be instructed to hand ball only - his kicking is beyond shocking - why hasn't his composure improved in 4/5 years on our list ?
Yazz - we got the switched on Yazz tonight, and he's a beauty. Just get rid of those arrogant, cutesy handballs (that always get intercepted) and you'll be even better. You're talented, but not a magician.
Murph - very good.
Warnock - kicking is awful, ruck work better tonight.
2E - quiet
Hendo - agree with EB - great player, but being a swinger has its downside.
Brock - blah
Bryce - the vultures are circling, and your worst game ever in Navy blue has just given them the tasty morsel they were looking for. Terrible.
Jamo - good
Simmo - his usual good effort.
Jeffy - disappointing way to celebrate 100 games - you're better than that.
Bucks (our Bucks) - love love love
Menzel, ok.
Everitt ok
Daisy - good, coming along nicely.
Robbo should play out this year in the reserves. Yes he tries and is hard at it but just about every kick goes straight to the opposition and it kills us.
Rowe unfortunately not up to it and Casboult and Wood should come in as Warnock and Krooz are awful...
play the kids please.....
You can have one of Bell or Robbo in the team but not both IMO........Bell is the better four quarter player onballer IMO
I saw enough tonight to suggest that Bell is going to be a General in our midfield in the not too distant future. He's only 22 and already starting to assert himself. Robbo is on borrowed time unless he can do something about his disposal.
Agree JK. We love Robbos toughness but his ball use is shocking. Bell is really exciting, he has the potential to be that big bodied midfielder we have been waiting for ever for.
If Levi can't get a game ahead of either of them his future at Carlton is bleak.
Ya think, really! :o
for every game robbo and rowe plays
cripps giles and graham take a step back
I think Robbo had one throw on the boot job that ended up going to Richmond. There was one on the HFF that Buckley misread, wasn't Robbo's fault.
I would like to see more of Cripps. If we are dropping players with double letters then drop Gibbs. ;D
for every game robbo and rowe plays
cripps giles and graham take a step back
Buckley
Menzel
Bell
Everitt
Doherty
Cripps
Graham
Giles
Thomas
I feel really optimistic. Give Mick a two year extension now and mandate him to give this lot 50-60 games over the next 3 years and watch the team grow. I'm not too upset.
Trade Gibbs and Kreuzer and Lucas and on trade for a KPF and a young ruck. None will make this team grow over the long term.
I want to see Docherty, Cripps, Graham and Giles given a go. If Watson is that bad, why not give Giles a go?
Either way, drop Garlett and make him accountable. He will never try shots like that again.
Some great positives tonite and I want to see the Kids play.
for every game robbo and rowe plays
cripps giles and graham take a step back
Buckley
Menzel
Bell
Everitt
Doherty
Cripps
Graham
Giles
Thomas
I feel really optimistic. Give Mick a two year extension now and mandate him to give this lot 50-60 games over the next 3 years and watch the team grow. I'm not too upset.
Trade Gibbs and Kreuzer and Lucas and on trade for a KPF and a young ruck. None will make this team grow over the long term.
I want to see Docherty, Cripps, Graham and Giles given a go. If Watson is that bad, why not give Giles a go?
Either way, drop Garlett and make him accountable. He will never try shots like that again.
Some great positives tonite and I want to see the Kids play.
I'm keen on Giles as the 3rd tall defender...takes a good safe mark and is a nice kick of the ball.....McInnes and White dont have the skill level for the Malthouse game plan or the modern game.
just got back from G..
1. a clearly deficient and poor playing list - thanks to Sticks Swan Hughes and Rodgers
2. same old issues of lack of footskills, no spine players, and lack of goal kicking finish
3. Im over it..
4. Lose to Essendon next week - season over.
You can have one of Bell or Robbo in the team but not both IMO........Bell is the better four quarter player onballer IMO
I saw enough tonight to suggest that Bell is going to be a General in our midfield in the not too distant future. He's only 22 and already starting to assert himself. Robbo is on borrowed time unless he can do something about his disposal.
Agree on Bell. Just needs to learn to kick. Too often he turned it over by foot. You get the impression he is working on it.
Man that first quarter and a half was awful. God knows what to make of the rest of the game as Richmond have big time choking issues but I'm happy with the kids and we should continue on that line for the rest of the season.
Waiting for Gibbs and Murphy to have great games at the same time.... That'll be something.
I feel really optimistic. Give Mick a two year extension now and mandate him to give this lot 50-60 games over the next 3 years and watch the team grow. I'm not too upset.
The reality does appear that we need to rebuild and that doesn't mean 10 years in the wilderness. Cut the dead wood and bring in some class. We already have enough talent to see the list turn to genuine contenders in 3-5 years if we can use the very good players on our list who won't be part of our next flag to help recruit those who will. #realitycheck
Man that first quarter and a half was awful. God knows what to make of the rest of the game as Richmond have big time choking issues but I'm happy with the kids and we should continue on that line for the rest of the season.
Waiting for Gibbs and Murphy to have great games at the same time.... That'll be something.
re: Gibbs and Murphy...Probably be the Crows vs Blues 2015....save me a seat... ;)
I feel really optimistic. Give Mick a two year extension now and mandate him to give this lot 50-60 games over the next 3 years and watch the team grow. I'm not too upset.
The reality does appear that we need to rebuild and that doesn't mean 10 years in the wilderness. Cut the dead wood and bring in some class. We already have enough talent to see the list turn to genuine contenders in 3-5 years if we can use the very good players on our list who won't be part of our next flag to help recruit those who will. #realitycheck
Fir that too happen, Mick must get a dose of reality and see that this list will not win a flag.
Problem is, we say play the kids, but aprt from Cripps, Graham and maybe Holman, are the rest ready to step up. I doubt it
I feel really optimistic. Give Mick a two year extension now and mandate him to give this lot 50-60 games over the next 3 years and watch the team grow. I'm not too upset.
The reality does appear that we need to rebuild and that doesn't mean 10 years in the wilderness. Cut the dead wood and bring in some class. We already have enough talent to see the list turn to genuine contenders in 3-5 years if we can use the very good players on our list who won't be part of our next flag to help recruit those who will. #realitycheck
Fir that too happen, Mick must get a dose of reality and see that this list will not win a flag.
Problem is, we say play the kids, but aprt from Cripps, Graham and maybe Holman, are the rest ready to step up. I doubt it
Don't need many more. Docherty is still young and Menzel and Buckley played today. With some good experience around they could learn a lot fast.
I feel really optimistic. Give Mick a two year extension now and mandate him to give this lot 50-60 games over the next 3 years and watch the team grow. I'm not too upset.
The reality does appear that we need to rebuild and that doesn't mean 10 years in the wilderness. Cut the dead wood and bring in some class. We already have enough talent to see the list turn to genuine contenders in 3-5 years if we can use the very good players on our list who won't be part of our next flag to help recruit those who will. #realitycheck
Fir that too happen, Mick must get a dose of reality and see that this list will not win a flag.
Problem is, we say play the kids, but aprt from Cripps, Graham and maybe Holman, are the rest ready to step up. I doubt it
Don't need many more. Docherty is still young and Menzel and Buckley played today. With some good experience around they could learn a lot fast.
Its down the spine we need some young blood...Henderson aside there is nothing bright for the future in the KP area........
I feel really optimistic. Give Mick a two year extension now and mandate him to give this lot 50-60 games over the next 3 years and watch the team grow. I'm not too upset.
The reality does appear that we need to rebuild and that doesn't mean 10 years in the wilderness. Cut the dead wood and bring in some class. We already have enough talent to see the list turn to genuine contenders in 3-5 years if we can use the very good players on our list who won't be part of our next flag to help recruit those who will. #realitycheck
Fir that too happen, Mick must get a dose of reality and see that this list will not win a flag.
Problem is, we say play the kids, but aprt from Cripps, Graham and maybe Holman, are the rest ready to step up. I doubt it
Don't need many more. Docherty is still young and Menzel and Buckley played today. With some good experience around they could learn a lot fast.
Precisely and we have this years National draft to add even more young talent.
I feel really optimistic. Give Mick a two year extension now and mandate him to give this lot 50-60 games over the next 3 years and watch the team grow. I'm not too upset.
The reality does appear that we need to rebuild and that doesn't mean 10 years in the wilderness. Cut the dead wood and bring in some class. We already have enough talent to see the list turn to genuine contenders in 3-5 years if we can use the very good players on our list who won't be part of our next flag to help recruit those who will. #realitycheck
Fir that too happen, Mick must get a dose of reality and see that this list will not win a flag.
Problem is, we say play the kids, but aprt from Cripps, Graham and maybe Holman, are the rest ready to step up. I doubt it
Don't need many more. Docherty is still young and Menzel and Buckley played today. With some good experience around they could learn a lot fast.
Precisely and we have this years National draft to add even more young talent.
All the more reason to feel optimistic, is that a new President can start afresh come season's send and give Mick the green light. While the great Chris Judd likely retires, the young Blues emerge.
WHat was the deal with McLean not getting off the bench at 3 quarter time?
Gee you'd seriously hope he was physically sore because if not it was a really poor display from Brock, reminiscent of Yazz's dummy spit. If it's the latter then Brock can expect to find himself at Cramer St for the immediate future.
Is it too soon to have man-love for a guy after so few games? Dylan Buckley, I'm talking about you! I absolutely loved this kid's game.....give me 22 Dylan Buckleys and I'll give you a team which could go a long way. Tonight this kid excited me like I haven't been excited by a Carlton youngster for quite some time, what a deadset ripper we've got ourselves. Consider your place in the team 100% safe, as he is exactly what we need.
Warnock and Hampson.....no thanks. Any chance either of them could take a mark? Both giants, both so ineffective overhead they ought to be ashamed of themselves.
Sam Rowe.....well, I mentioned a couple of weeks ago that if he made his way into the team, then that'd be a fair indication of where we're at as far as depth goes. Yep, we're at rock bottom right about now. Papers stamped tonight, simply not up to it and never will be. If Brock cracked the poops as is being reported, for being subbed-out (which was a no-brainer of a decision for Mick mind you), then his papers ought to be stamped too. His past 2 weeks have been about as ineffective as he's ever played, horribly out of form.
Not too much to add that hasn't already been said about our disposal by foot, except to say that it was arguably the worst display of set-shot kicking for goal I've ever seen from a Carlton team. Inexcusably bad and a blight on the team's performance as a whole.
Thought Daisy's use of the ball by foot was superb and he must watch how the majority of his new teammates butcher the ball ad nauseum and wonder what the hell he's got himself into.
Bryce is playing like bloke on a promise to be elsewhere and White was merely a marginal improvement on McInnes. Don't get me started on Garlett or Tuohy......
Loved Jamo's game, best he's played for quite some time, loved Yazz's game, loved Everitt's game on Deledio, but for me - it was all about young Dylan......wow, impressive.
So that's the last 4 times we've played them now, we've let them off the leash early and had to put in massive 2nd halves for a 2 win / 2 loss outcome......when in fact we could've and should've won all 4......if only we could damn well kick straight....
So that's the last 4 times we've played them now, we've let them off the leash early and had to put in massive 2nd halves for a 2 win / 2 loss outcome......when in fact we could've and should've won all 4......if only we could damn well kick straight....
If we remove our Carlton glasses for a moment an focus on the Tigers then I'd be more concerned. They barely managed to cross the line against a severely depleted Carlton line up despite having a squad that has a superior balance on paper at least. This is a season where they should seriously challenge for a top four spot, yet I'm not convinced they will be there in September. They nearly watched Martin walk last season, yet his goals probably decided the result alongside some really poor shots at goal by Carlton. Oh and 82 turnovers by Carlton.
Love my team but atm they can GAGF. and WTF was Brock Mclean doing in the side?. over it.
Love my team but atm they can GAGF. and WTF was Brock Mclean doing in the side?. over it.
More positives than negatives in the long run DU if you truly look at the game. Young blokes were injected and old blokes were tested. Brocks selection was warranted, his attitude at being subbed was not.
Love my team but atm they can GAGF. and WTF was Brock Mclean doing in the side?. over it.
More positives than negatives in the long run DU if you truly look at the game. Young blokes were injected and old blokes were tested. Brocks selection was warranted, his attitude at being subbed was not.
Granted the energy enthusiasm and speed of Buckly and the poise of Menzel was great to see. But the kicking of Waite made me spew up, and the plodding and poor attitude of McLean made be spew up again. As for Gibbs who gives a Farrk, if he wants out then that's fine by me, as long as we get something in return. My enthusiasm will be rekindled when Cripps and a few of the other recent draftees make an appearance.
Do you recall, before the season started MickM thought we were on the cusp of serious success.
His judgement has been proved wanting.
The Blues were not as prepared for tonight as were the Tigers.
MickM is good news, but can he mount a side for the new era of football?
Will his fufu valve survive the frustrations of the coaching box?
This is not a coaching issue, there isn't a coach who could get a markedly different result out of this squad. They are simply not good enough. Although I must say I'm sick of seeing the same slow plodders being played, I presume its due to some of the younger names not being available or ready for senior footy.
It's time to rebuild.
Nup it's a coaching issue. This team has dropped off since Mick took over. We have no heart. Murphy, Yarran and Buckley were the only three that played with any intensity for four quarters. I want effort from everyone for four quarters, something Mick can't seem to produce.
And to reiterate what others have said here......we bring that first half especially to the table against most other sides, we should be a minimum 10 goals down at half time......have no doubts, Richmond are about as overrated as a team can be, choked like Greg Norman in a major when we came at them. Last night's result said as much about them as it did us.
Yep but they still got the win. Winners are grinners, we are just forked.
TBH I'm really dirty on the club because they sucked me in again last night, I was jumping around the living room when we were getting close but just as quickly with 3 minutes to go I knew we wouldn't win. See we always find some way to botch it, this time Waite couldn't nail set shots from 20m. Garlett should be dropped, was lucky to play last night, when you look at the way Yarran was treated Garlett has to go, has not played well for 2 years. I reckon he's coasting, make him earn his spot.
Plenty of talk here about rebuilding, playing the kids and winning a flag in three to five years, the problem with that being that every club in the bottom half of the ladder is singing from the same song sheet and our recruiting is abysmal and on a par with Melbourne.
Bootsma, Lucas and Watson are all first round draft picks and no better than fringe players and we haven't pulled a decent player in the second or higher rounds for more than ten years unless you count Robbo, which is a stretch.
We've got some very good footballers but they are spread too thin, our bottom six wouldn't get a game at any other club.
Unless we get very lucky in the draft in the next two years there aren't any Premierships on the horizon.
82 direct turmovers. 3.7 in lst qtr. There it is in a nutshell.
Get a couple of Talls that can play and that will straighten us up no end.
Easier said than done ::)
82 direct turmovers. 3.7 in lst qtr. There it is in a nutshell.
Gee with all those turnovers, we should've worn our clash guernsey. :o
Haven't and don't want to read the papers about this game, but what was MM's excuse this time?
I feel really optimistic. Give Mick a two year extension now and mandate him to give this lot 50-60 games over the next 3 years and watch the team grow. I'm not too upset.
The reality does appear that we need to rebuild and that doesn't mean 10 years in the wilderness. Cut the dead wood and bring in some class. We already have enough talent to see the list turn to genuine contenders in 3-5 years if we can use the very good players on our list who won't be part of our next flag to help recruit those who will. #realitycheck
Fir that too happen, Mick must get a dose of reality and see that this list will not win a flag.
Problem is, we say play the kids, but aprt from Cripps, Graham and maybe Holman, are the rest ready to step up. I doubt it
Don't need many more. Docherty is still young and Menzel and Buckley played today. With some good experience around they could learn a lot fast.
Precisely and we have this years National draft to add even more young talent.
......with our very early draft picks. :(
And to reiterate what others have said here......we bring that first half especially to the table against most other sides, we should be a minimum 10 goals down at half time......have no doubts, Richmond are about as overrated as a team can be, choked like Greg Norman in a major when we came at them. Last night's result said as much about them as it did us.
but they got the chocolates and we didn't. Which says more about us.
And to reiterate what others have said here......we bring that first half especially to the table against most other sides, we should be a minimum 10 goals down at half time......have no doubts, Richmond are about as overrated as a team can be, choked like Greg Norman in a major when we came at them. Last night's result said as much about them as it did us.
but they got the chocolates and we didn't. Which says more about us.
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Year after year after year after year. Farken sick to death of this:
http://www.afl.com.au/video/2014-03-27/thursday-showreel-blues-in-blunderland
Nuff said
I guess that proves that we rolled over last week, at least to some extent. We were finishing as the better team last night, no fitness issues.
IT IS A VERY SAD DAY,
AS A BLUES SUPPORTER I NOW GO TO GAMES EXPECTING TO LOSE.
HOW THE MIGHTY HAVE FALLEN. ::)
If Broke is 100 % fit, then I'm a vegetable. At the moment, Broke is broken and needs a week or so off to get right, then a good 30+ possession game for Northern to get his form back. He is still important to our structures, important enough that we need to get him right. At the moment he isn't getting the ball and is struggling to chase due to his lack of pace.
We should play Graham or Cripps in his place: gives them a good taste while we get the guy who single handedly beat Richmond not long back playing better. It is called 'management'.
Waite: play him in defence until he gets over his kicking yips. We can't afford him having 6 shots for 1 goal, 3 behinds and 2 on the fulls (it may have been more, but that is all I remember). When he got sent back, he got into the game, where he was useless in the first half.
CHF: we don't really have one and it hurts our structure no end. I don't know if Hendo is the answer, but neither Rowe nor White nor Casboult is.
One of the things that really irritated me was the way Richmond marked every quick kick forward we made. There were any number of occasions that we did really well to get the ball forward under great pressure, for the ball to come back immediately, as a Richmond player had marked it.
It was nice when we got them panicking late in the game, as they kicked the ball forward blindly and we generally got it moving again our way.
Tuohy: he is also so far out of form that it is a severe worry. He started off against North fantastically, but since he went off injured late in that game he has been very ordinary. I don't know if we have the cattle to give him some time in the VFL - maybe we should be playing him upfield? But at the moment he is losing one on ones and it hurts.
I am not quite sure why people are bagging White. He didn't have a huge game, but his moving back onto Riewoldt (not a move I would have considered) was a masterstroke. He continued pantsing Riewoldt, as Jamo had done, but allowed Jamo to play on the Richmond taller forwards. He killed them and it dried up Richmond's scoring options.
Garlett: what a terrible 100th game! We do seem to be very ordinary in mile stone games these days. But Garlett needs to get over his kicking yips. if that means time in the VFL, then so be it. But he could have had 6 goals and he ended with 1. His misses were one of the reasons we lost.
Kicking: I don't think it has been a strength in recent times, but I simply cannot imagine when it has been worse. Turnovers kill and we produced far too many. As for the goal kicking (well, missing), it is unprofessional. Jamo's was bad enough: he was celebrating when the goal umpire was signaling one point. Bell's was terrible. Warnock's was almost unforgivable. He NEVER misses at training, but he has barely kicked a goal since that game against Geelong. Gibb's shot on the siren was deflating, but Waite's misses were like daggers in the back.
A few positives to come out of last night. Buckley was fantastic for his second game, I almost certain Yarran will now become a star and we started to look more like a footy team in the second half something that I couldn't see in the port game or in the first half.
Put walker, armfield, Judd, Kruezer, Scotland, carazzo and to some extent Doherty and we are 50% better side.
So much to be disappointed with and yet there were definitely things to be encouraged by.
The first question should be, why weren't we ready to play? We were shell-shocked for the first qtr and a half... that should never happen, especially when you know the opposition is going to come out hard and fierce. Between the ears stuff. Coaching staff has to wear a lot of that - our boys weren't ready. We had to wait for some heat to go out of the game before many of our boys felt safe to assert themselves and get their hands on the aggott. Soft.
Talking of soft. Has the winning culture completely gone from the place? Missing easy shots at goal is all about between the ear. Warnock's knees turned to jelly when he was shooting for goal at a critical moment (would have been 2 on the trot and changed the game). Likewise Waite... and others. That's a serious lack of confidence, in fact, it's about doubt and we seem to have plenty of it.
Encouraging is that we can, as a group, eventually find the minerals to apply legitimate pressure and actually play some very good footy. But our last qtr last night was almost a carbon copy of our last qtr against the Dishlickers in that NAB Challenge game... so why wasn't that fixed? Why so many jelly legs when kicking pressure goals?
There is hardness but it seems only as a reaction. Now to state the bloomin' obvious... need to start hard and desperate and maintain it for 120 minutes and that means concentrating for 120 minutes and that means working ruthlessly hard (even when the aggott is nowhere near you) for 120 minutes.
Very disappointed in the efforts of Gibbs, McLean (7 bad qtrs in a row), early disposal and composure in front of goal. Dinger Bell did not impress. Has so much going for him except a footy brain. Warnock worked really hard but the bottom line is the bloke is one dimensional. Tap ruckman only. In 1988 would have been a beaut. But a ruckman who cannot mark and goes to water in front of goal aint no good in this era of footy. Dare I say Wood wouldn't have been as good in tap work but would have marked and kicked truly!
Those who write that a couple of bona fide KPPs will make a significant difference are right on the money. Waite is too unreliable. Henderson is a ripper and so is Jamison.
Wrapped in the overall efforts of Buckley, Everitt & Yarran. Daisey is beginning to show us why we worked hard to get him.
Year after year after year after year. Farken sick to death of this:
http://www.afl.com.au/video/2014-03-27/thursday-showreel-blues-in-blunderland
Nuff said
This is fair dinkum embarrassing. If I were in Micks shoes I would play this ten times over on Monday, not say a word stand up and walk out.
WHat was the deal with McLean not getting off the bench at 3 quarter time?
Sulking?
We really didn't deserve the win but at the same time when you get that close it p155es you off so much more than just losing it by 5 goals. Sort of knew it was going to roll that way when we started to fluff up those shots in the last. My thoughts
Yarran BOG for us.
Murph, Simmo, Thomas and Jammo really good for most of the night. Special mention to Murph for his last quarter.
Everitt was serviceable and lets face it, at least he can kick straight.
Ed Curnow continue to do his job and although Cotchin got a few touches he was far from being an influential player. really having a purple patch is our Ed.
Agree with most that we should only have one of either Tom or Mitch in the side and even before last nights game I would have said Tom. Sorry Mitch your total lack of composure should be tolerated no more. At least with Tom he gets one or two kicks on target during a game.
Waitey continues to do my head in but in all honesty who else do we have down forward who could do his job. Really anyone?? Could have kicked 4.
Dylan Buckley. So glad he got a game. Please lord let him evolve into the player he looks like he could be and not get poisoned by our "development" staff. Loved him
Happy with Lucas' contribution for a change. Thought he did pretty well when he came on. didn't look as panicky as normal. By the way that exciting run he had down the wing in the last when many on here thought he just turned it over with a kick to the opposition? There was absolutely no-one in our F50 for him to kick to. So unless you wanted him to run over the boundary line with the ball he really didn't have another option.
Also happy with Menzel. Should be a lock in for that small forward role for the entire year and is more value to us than Garlett at the moment who needs a spell. If nothing else but for that weak as p!55 decision to soccer that kick through in the last. That is just plain disgraceful. If Yarran didn't keep kicking the ball to him he would barely get a touch.
Lachie Henderson was a bit up and down but I'm thinking he's still not match fit enough and I expect him to improve each week from now. We still need 2 of him.
Bryce was shizen other than that beautiful snag in the last. Funny how we can't kick them from directly in front but we can fluke kicks like that. Maybe he's trying to reduce his value for prospective suitors but you know what Bryce you're still getting paid by us for the moment so friggin do your job.
Zach and Davey Ellard. Like both these boys but just not having an impact at the moment. Zach is more of a concern personally as we have lost that drive off half-back he used to give us.
Simon White I thought was solid and will retain his position for next week because we ain't got much down back right now.
Last week I said I'd have Sam Rowe ahead of Watson. I now retract that statement. Just not up to it and should never play in the senior side again. Probably the worst individual effort by a Carlton player in a single game since Watson last week. Please someone, give me hope of something in the magoos to fill this hole?
Robbie "the spud" Warnock. This bloke is single-handedly making us the laughing stock of the AFL. I don't care how many taps he gets he is zero impact, no, no, no, negative impact around the ground. I would play Cameron Wood ahead of him, but isn't he on the rookie list?
Brock you are back to your 2012 form at the moment. Don't sook up. Put up!
The drug cheats will spank us next week. I only hope we throw in a few newbies who can at least kick properly.
That was the most uncompetitive uninspiring side we've fielded in a while. We looked slow and played old. Take Buckley and Yarren out of last nights side and we would have been as boring as hell. I thought Lucas should have come on from first bounce, and agree Docherty and Armfield will give us some much needed energy and run. We also missed Walker. But I can't see how we can avoid a rebuild, the players that should have come through haven't. Relying on carrots and Judd is a temporary fix. I think we've reached a point where Gibbs and Kruizer have to be cashed in to provide the next wave of opportunity to build on our most recent selections. It's not the loss that upset me it's more the thinness of our playing stock.
I thought when we had Henderson, White and Everiott roaming the forwardline with Waite down back was a greta strategic move. We can always swing them around and might have doen so a little early IMO but that would be the setup I'd use, as I have mentioned before, so I was happy to see this in play.
I'd use Rowe down back with Waite the intercept/3rd man up type with his athletic ability a weapon. Can act as the 3rd tall with Jamison and Rowe the two first. Waite would make their jobs so much easier. Play as a collective unit.
Up forward then I'd have Henderson as the main man we build our future forwardline around with help from White, Everitt, Walker and a Casboult possibility also. We need a point of difference up forward, and down back, and to me this is it.
Kreuzer shouldn't come back until he'd had games on end in the 2's. Watson wasn't as good last week compared to Rowe who does have limitations but IMO spanked the softest 200cm footballer in footy in Ty Vickery apart from a push in the back the Vickery had on Rowe. Everything else was punched back as hard as it came to them. Handy. Waite, again, would make life easier for him down back.
Let Buckley and Menzel play the year in the 1's along with Graham and get some games into Cripps, Holman and Giles. Don't mind Menzel across half-balk from time to time. Buckley allowed Yarran to move forward and give us run and not be solely reliant upon Simpson, particularly with Walker out. Bucks a good kick., super quick, hard and competitive. Kane Lucas, are you taking notice?
McLean out, way too slow. Robinson still butchers it but goes hard. Needs more finesse, is a turnover merchant and needs to learn to handball. Get 20 handballs a game instead of 15-20 kicks!
Encouraging is that we can, as a group, eventually find the minerals to apply legitimate pressure and actually play some very good footy.
There was no pressure applied it was an open game that hinged on turnovers.
A few positives to come out of last night. Buckley was fantastic for his second game, I almost certain Yarran will now become a star and we started to look more like a footy team in the second half something that I couldn't see in the port game or in the first half.
Put walker, armfield, Judd, Kruezer, Scotland, carazzo and to some extent Doherty and we are 50% better side.
Agree with this to some extent. We need more pace and Army will definitely give us this and some mongrel if nothing else. We need to weed out the imbeciles who cant kick one by one or two by two if necessary. If they haven't learnt by now they never will. It is the single most important factor that costs us the majority of our games. HS reports 36 turnovers, none more telling than Warnock to Vickory in the goal square for a gift of a goal. Add another half a dozen odd shots at goal that went out on the full? Deplorable.
Warnock worked really hard but the bottom line is the bloke is one dimensional. Tap ruckman only. In 1988 would have been a beaut. But a ruckman who cannot mark and goes to water in front of goal aint no good in this era of footy. Dare I say Wood wouldn't have been as good in tap work but would have marked and kicked truly!
To be fair, I thought it was Robbies kicking only that let him down by and large. For a bloke thats 206cm, he wasnt to bad down low at times last night, dished off nicely when he had to I though. But his disposal by foot was Little Leaguesque!
Warnock worked really hard but the bottom line is the bloke is one dimensional. Tap ruckman only. In 1988 would have been a beaut. But a ruckman who cannot mark and goes to water in front of goal aint no good in this era of footy. Dare I say Wood wouldn't have been as good in tap work but would have marked and kicked truly!
To be fair, I thought it was Robbies kicking only that let him down by and large. For a bloke thats 206cm, he wasnt to bad down low at times last night, dished off nicely when he had to I though. But his disposal by foot was Little Leaguesque!
Having said that he didnt take a farken single mark either :(
Encouraging is that we can, as a group, eventually find the minerals to apply legitimate pressure and actually play some very good footy.
There was no pressure applied it was an open game that hinged on turnovers.
There was a period in the first qtr where we were delivering it to Tiggers players with surgeon like precision. I am certain when we had the ball, they just stood around and waited patiently for us to hand it over to them. It was embarrassing. Eliminate those turnovers and I am sure the game would have been different. Richmond are so overrated, top 4 my a hole.
A few positives to come out of last night. Buckley was fantastic for his second game, I almost certain Yarran will now become a star and we started to look more like a footy team in the second half something that I couldn't see in the port game or in the first half.
Put walker, armfield, Judd, Kruezer, Scotland, carazzo and to some extent Doherty and we are 50% better side.
Agree with this to some extent. We need more pace and Army will definitely give us this and some mongrel if nothing else. We need to weed out the imbeciles who cant kick one by one or two by two if necessary. If they haven't learnt by now they never will. It is the single most important factor that costs us the majority of our games. HS reports 36 turnovers, none more telling than Warnock to Vickory in the goal square for a gift of a goal. Add another half a dozen odd shots at goal that went out on the full? Deplorable.
I remember some years back David Parkin talking about the evolution of our game. He mentioned that right across the board, skills had improved - hand balling, tackling, running patterns,etc. you name it. Except goal kicking. The one area he said will probably never improve. If there's anyone out there who knows about the mechanics of goal kicking, I'd love to hear from them. The margin for error must be miniscule.
A few positives to come out of last night. Buckley was fantastic for his second game, I almost certain Yarran will now become a star and we started to look more like a footy team in the second half something that I couldn't see in the port game or in the first half.
Put walker, armfield, Judd, Kruezer, Scotland, carazzo and to some extent Doherty and we are 50% better side.
Agree with this to some extent. We need more pace and Army will definitely give us this and some mongrel if nothing else. We need to weed out the imbeciles who cant kick one by one or two by two if necessary. If they haven't learnt by now they never will. It is the single most important factor that costs us the majority of our games. HS reports 36 turnovers, none more telling than Warnock to Vickory in the goal square for a gift of a goal. Add another half a dozen odd shots at goal that went out on the full? Deplorable.
I remember some years back David Parkin talking about the evolution of our game. He mentioned that right across the board, skills had improved - hand balling, tackling, running patterns,etc. you name it. Except goal kicking. The one area he said will probably never improve. If there's anyone out there who knows about the mechanics of goal kicking, I'd love to hear from them. The margin for error must be miniscule.
Did you see Warnocks shot for goal? I challenge anyone to repeat what he did, impossible. He kicked it with the side of shin so high up it was ridiculous. You couldnt do it if you tried. Thats a problem above the shoulders IMO.
If you can catch up towards the end of the game
you should not have been behind.
If you can get your nose in front,
you should be able to keep it there.
Brave loss is not really good enough
Three brave loses will produce a hiding.
I don't think the Club is trigger happy anxious to compete at present.
It might be a long season.
Hey is anyone free to pick up my aged grannie from the paraplegic's Nursing home,
I figure she could help RobbieW improve his kicking!
I walked away grinning last night.
We gave up 6 goals in the first quarter, and 4 in the second. At half time, it felt like we were getting obliterated and then I checked the score, and all our performance indicators. We were playing poorly, and the Tiges were all over us, yet were not putting us away the way a good team should. I didnt feel confident at all, and felt like 2005 all over again. For those who cant or dont remember, it was the Fev show, or no show. At least back then we had Fev. Now we have....
A team that stated for the second week running, that they will not just give up and fall way no matter how hard it was, or how badly they were getting beaten, or how difficult the road to goal was. If we had gotten our noses in front the game would have ended up a win. Unfortunately, we could only draw level.
We restricted them to 4 goals in a half after that. That is a fantastic effort. Make no mistakes, it wasnt that they were not good enough to kick goals, they were starved of real goal scoring opportunties, and they were struggling to get forward. It was really encouraging I thought. Convert our chances better, and it would have been a win. Of the two sides, the only thing Richmond have to be happy about is beating a side that they struggle with, and getting 4 points. Aside from that, its all doom and gloom. Imagine going to sleep for a half against a side that is unfit, lacks a real spine of tall players, turned the ball over at will, and the only reason they managed to win was some favourable frees that got them off the hook (and a very dubious 50 metre pentalty) and our woeful conversion rate.
Make no mistakes, we are a pretty ordinary outfit, with some patchwork players balancing out our ability to play a mix of talls and smalls, but we showed much more effort, ticker, workrate, and application than I have been able to be proud of over the last 14 years. It wasnt about us being front runners last night either, it was simply grinding out contest after contest, and challenging and scrapping for each and every opportunity we could, and by the end of it, we had blokes getting off the leash and getting into dangerous positions, with some good ball use to get it to them.
Sure there was as much to be unhappy about last night, but it was about the decisions we make, and the ball use that really hurt us, and if we tidy that up, Id say we will be a much better side moving forward, and all without some of our better performers, and without a real spine to speak of too.
A few positives to come out of last night. Buckley was fantastic for his second game, I almost certain Yarran will now become a star and we started to look more like a footy team in the second half something that I couldn't see in the port game or in the first half.
Put walker, armfield, Judd, Kruezer, Scotland, carazzo and to some extent Doherty and we are 50% better side.
Agree with this to some extent. We need more pace and Army will definitely give us this and some mongrel if nothing else. We need to weed out the imbeciles who cant kick one by one or two by two if necessary. If they haven't learnt by now they never will. It is the single most important factor that costs us the majority of our games. HS reports 36 turnovers, none more telling than Warnock to Vickory in the goal square for a gift of a goal. Add another half a dozen odd shots at goal that went out on the full? Deplorable.
Feeling ur pain mate!
Ur possibly in the for the f/night from hell from the in-laws... :o
Keep the faith brother...
bloody hard to keep the faith with CFC... I ain't buying why they are sellin'
Make no mistakes, we are a pretty ordinary outfit, with some patchwork players balancing out our ability to play a mix of talls and smalls, but we showed much more effort, ticker, workrate, and application than I have been able to be proud of over the last 14 years. It wasnt about us being front runners last night either, it was simply grinding out contest after contest, and challenging and scrapping for each and every opportunity we could, and by the end of it, we had blokes getting off the leash and getting into dangerous positions, with some good ball use to get it to them.
There was no scrapping, it was an open game all night, we had to get our chance eventually, and we forked it up. No heart, Richmond are just useless.
Rowe was ordinary but he provides more flexibility than Casboult. Wouldn't mind seeing him have an extended run at it to see if he can pick up the pace of the game. I'm not confident this will happen however.
On another matter, Buckley must be half a chance for a rising star nomination?
Rowe was ordinary but he provides more flexibility than Casboult. Wouldn't mind seeing him have an extended run at it to see if he can pick up the pace of the game. I'm not confident this will happen however.
On another matter, Buckley must be half a chance for a rising star nomination?
I agree about Rowe, but he was very easily out muscled on several occasions which just should not happen to a ruck in any position, Casboult is often even worse in this regard.
How can we have four or five rucks on our list who cannot us their bodies to advantage? I think the answer is our ruck coach must go, I declare our ruck coach a spud!
Buckley looked good at times, but his disposal let him down.
Lucas - DUD. Stamp his papers.
Cant kick to save his life.
Memo - McLean.
While not in leadership Group, you are a veteran of the side. Sitting on the bench cracking the sads whilst team is in the 3qtr Time huddle. Sorry but you should be ashamed of yourself. You should have been right in there giving encouragement. Very selfish act. You will get a chance to pull your head in playing for NB.
Nothing short of discraceful. Hang your head in shame
Buckley looked good at times, but his disposal let him down.
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94% efficiency does not back that up. Was good by foot and slick with his hands. Broke the lines more times than i can remember. Loved his game. has the mongrel of his old man.
PITC, yes the tiges are average but less average than us because they picked a spine and have a structure. Astbury, Vickery and Griffiths are a long way from great players but they did their jobs. You still need blokes the right size in the right places and once again we went in small and paid for it - we've been pinch-hitting along the spine since the 1990's and that is why have been, are and will continue to be mediocre for the foreseeable future.
Rowe was ordinary but he provides more flexibility than Casboult. Wouldn't mind seeing him have an extended run at it to see if he can pick up the pace of the game. I'm not confident this will happen however.
On another matter, Buckley must be half a chance for a rising star nomination?
I agree about Rowe, but he was very easily out muscled on several occasions which just should not happen to a ruck in any position, Casboult is often even worse in this regard.
How can we have four or five rucks on our list who cannot us their bodies to advantage? I think the answer is our ruck coach must go, I declare our ruck coach a spud!
Buckley looked good at times, but his disposal let him down.
94% efficiency does not back that up. Was good by foot and slick with his hands. Broke the lines more times than i can remember. Loved his game. has the mongrel of his old man.
I walked away grinning last night.
We gave up 6 goals in the first quarter, and 4 in the second. At half time, it felt like we were getting obliterated and then I checked the score, and all our performance indicators. We were playing poorly, and the Tiges were all over us, yet were not putting us away the way a good team should. I didnt feel confident at all, and felt like 2005 all over again. For those who cant or dont remember, it was the Fev show, or no show. At least back then we had Fev. Now we have....
A team that stated for the second week running, that they will not just give up and fall way no matter how hard it was, or how badly they were getting beaten, or how difficult the road to goal was. If we had gotten our noses in front the game would have ended up a win. Unfortunately, we could only draw level.
We restricted them to 4 goals in a half after that. That is a fantastic effort. Make no mistakes, it wasnt that they were not good enough to kick goals, they were starved of real goal scoring opportunties, and they were struggling to get forward. It was really encouraging I thought. Convert our chances better, and it would have been a win. Of the two sides, the only thing Richmond have to be happy about is beating a side that they struggle with, and getting 4 points. Aside from that, its all doom and gloom. Imagine going to sleep for a half against a side that is unfit, lacks a real spine of tall players, turned the ball over at will, and the only reason they managed to win was some favourable frees that got them off the hook (and a very dubious 50 metre pentalty) and our woeful conversion rate.
Make no mistakes, we are a pretty ordinary outfit, with some patchwork players balancing out our ability to play a mix of talls and smalls, but we showed much more effort, ticker, workrate, and application than I have been able to be proud of over the last 14 years. It wasnt about us being front runners last night either, it was simply grinding out contest after contest, and challenging and scrapping for each and every opportunity we could, and by the end of it, we had blokes getting off the leash and getting into dangerous positions, with some good ball use to get it to them.
Sure there was as much to be unhappy about last night, but it was about the decisions we make, and the ball use that really hurt us, and if we tidy that up, Id say we will be a much better side moving forward, and all without some of our better performers, and without a real spine to speak of too.
We have been a Club of patchwork players since the Elliott era.
We cannot recruit, develop and list manage properly.
I suggest we will need to go through 10 more years of pain before our Board, administration, members and coteries understand that trying to buy a star then putting in hacks around that star as a basis of team building is doomed to fail....
PITC, yes the tiges are average but less average than us because they picked a spine and have a structure. Astbury, Vickery and Griffiths are a long way from great players but they did their jobs. You still need blokes the right size in the right places and once again we went in small and paid for it - we've been pinch-hitting along the spine since the 1990's and that is why have been, are and will continue to be mediocre for the foreseeable future.
We went in small cos there was no other option, especially when we lost Kruezer and Watson before the game
94% efficiency does not back that up. Was good by foot and slick with his hands. Broke the lines more times than i can remember. Loved his game. has the mongrel of his old man.
Really, you believe that stat?
The kid only had 18 possessions, 94% of 18 is 16.92.
Do you believe he only missed a target or bombed to a contest once?
I loved his game, but 94% from 18 possessions at AFL level, the kid would be on the front page as the next Gary Ablett (Jnr).
94% efficiency does not back that up. Was good by foot and slick with his hands. Broke the lines more times than i can remember. Loved his game. has the mongrel of his old man.
Really, you believe that stat?
The kid only had 18 possessions, 94% of 18 is 16.92.
Do you believe he only missed a target or bombed to a contest once?
I loved his game, but 94% from 18 possessions at AFL level, the kid would be on the front page as the next Gary Ablett (Jnr).
According to the HUN. he went at %94
94% efficiency does not back that up. Was good by foot and slick with his hands. Broke the lines more times than i can remember. Loved his game. has the mongrel of his old man.
Really, you believe that stat?
The kid only had 18 possessions, 94% of 18 is 16.92.
Do you believe he only missed a target or bombed to a contest once?
I loved his game, but 94% from 18 possessions at AFL level, the kid would be on the front page as the next Gary Ablett (Jnr).
Even if he was 70%, that's well above AFL standard. The kid destroyed them, he reminded me of Yarran the way he took the game on. His disposal was excellent.
Encouraging is that we can, as a group, eventually find the minerals to apply legitimate pressure and actually play some very good footy.
There was no pressure applied it was an open game that hinged on turnovers.
There was a period in the first qtr where we were delivering it to Tiggers players with surgeon like precision. I am certain when we had the ball, they just stood around and waited patiently for us to hand it over to them. It was embarrassing. Eliminate those turnovers and I am sure the game would have been different. Richmond are so overrated, top 4 my a hole.
We have this continual thought that we need to play a fast game and play on all the time. our forwards aren't good enough to read the play and lead early enough to get space from their man.
SOMETIMES we should slooow the game down and keep possession. WTF, they had kicked a bag of goals (4 I think) and we had only 8 touches.
We need to learn to stop the rush and keep possession and spot up players.
Make no mistakes, we are a pretty ordinary outfit, with some patchwork players balancing out our ability to play a mix of talls and smalls, but we showed much more effort, ticker, workrate, and application than I have been able to be proud of over the last 14 years. It wasnt about us being front runners last night either, it was simply grinding out contest after contest, and challenging and scrapping for each and every opportunity we could, and by the end of it, we had blokes getting off the leash and getting into dangerous positions, with some good ball use to get it to them.
There was no scrapping, it was an open game all night, we had to get our chance eventually, and we forked it up. No heart, Richmond are just useless.
The tigers kicked 4 goals in a half. How is that an open game for them?
2 of them came in junk time of the final quarter too. Hardly open. they couldnt get out of their defensive third of the park for the first half of the fourth quarter until some rubbish 50 metre penalty helped them get out of jail.
94% efficiency does not back that up. Was good by foot and slick with his hands. Broke the lines more times than i can remember. Loved his game. has the mongrel of his old man.
Really, you believe that stat?
The kid only had 18 possessions, 94% of 18 is 16.92.
Do you believe he only missed a target or bombed to a contest once?
I loved his game, but 94% from 18 possessions at AFL level, the kid would be on the front page as the next Gary Ablett (Jnr).
Even if he was 70%, that's well above AFL standard. The kid destroyed them, he reminded me of Yarran the way he took the game on. His disposal was excellent.
and on pure ticker and mongrel he was our best.
Spot on Agey, the kid is a star.
My team v Bombers in round 3 is:
B: Buckley, Jamison, Waite
Hb: Tuohy, Rowe, Simpson
C: Thomas, Gibbs, Walker
Hf: Everitt, Casboult, Yarran
F: Ellard, Henderson, Garlett
Foll: Wood, Curnow
Rov: Murphy
I/c: Bell, Lucas, Menzel, White
Emerg: Cachia, Giles, Graham
In: Walker, Wood, Casboult
Out: McLean, Warnock, Robinson
Won't happen but I'd like it.
Id be using White forward quite a bit also. The days of Waite + a ruckman playing as our key forwards should have been long gone but surely just has to be now! We can rotate all of these blokes forward to screw with the Bombers matchups - Henderson, Waite, Walker, Everitt, White, Casboult. That's 6 marking targets of differing types. The likes of Everitt, Walker and White are really good MOVING leadup types allowing us greater depth, more options and better flexibility. All can mark well and all can get on their bike and move well.
That's a side with greater flexibility, which just may be a slight strength of ours this year - next week for starters!
Spot on Agey, the kid is a star.
He did play well, I am not disputing that, but 94% really?
If you go by the CD stats they also list Curnow as best on ground!
The stats are at best rubbery assessments bent to suit the circumstance.
Was Buckley good enough to earn a rising star nod? He is just eligible. "To be eligible to be nominated for the award, a player must be younger than 21 years of age on 1 January of the award year and have played 10 or fewer senior games before the beginning of the season."
Was Buckley good enough to earn a rising star nod? He is just eligible. "To be eligible to be nominated for the award, a player must be younger than 21 years of age on 1 January of the award year and have played 10 or fewer senior games before the beginning of the season."
He may go close, but there is only one nomination per round and a lot of games left to go!
No, he plays for Carlton so I doubt he is eligible (dripping sarcasm, sorry).
Was Buckley good enough to earn a rising star nod? He is just eligible. "To be eligible to be nominated for the award, a player must be younger than 21 years of age on 1 January of the award year and have played 10 or fewer senior games before the beginning of the season."
Gee I hope he does!
Spot on Agey, the kid is a star.
He did play well, I am not disputing that, but 94% really?
If you go by the CD stats they also list Curnow as best on ground!
The stats are at best rubbery assessments bent to suit the circumstance.
It's more of a guideline as opposed to an exact science but the 94% does suggest he was great with ball in hand. i didn't notice any issues. I'm not willing to sit through that crap again and confirm.
One thing I will say is how exciting it was to have another young gun out there. That's the only thing that really gets me going ATM.
One thing I will say is how exciting it was to have another young gun out there. That's the only thing that really gets me going ATM.
Agree with this carrots, agree with this. Bucks and Menz working their thing out there. Add another 1,2 3 youngsters soon enough and we can see some light!
It's more of a guideline as opposed to an exact science but the 94% does suggest he was great with ball in hand. i didn't notice any issues. I'm not willing to sit through that crap again and confirm.
I suppose this depends on what you classify as an efficient disposal. Some regimes require a fellow team member to take clean control of the ball, others are happy as long as it doesn't go directly to an opponent or OOBOTF.
Changing the subject, how did Robbo go in your opinion?
A few positives to come out of last night. Buckley was fantastic for his second game, I almost certain Yarran will now become a star and we started to look more like a footy team in the second half something that I couldn't see in the port game or in the first half.
Put walker, armfield, Judd, Kruezer, Scotland, carazzo and to some extent Doherty and we are 50% better side.
Agree with this to some extent. We need more pace and Army will definitely give us this and some mongrel if nothing else. We need to weed out the imbeciles who cant kick one by one or two by two if necessary. If they haven't learnt by now they never will. It is the single most important factor that costs us the majority of our games. HS reports 36 turnovers, none more telling than Warnock to Vickory in the goal square for a gift of a goal. Add another half a dozen odd shots at goal that went out on the full? Deplorable.
I remember some years back David Parkin talking about the evolution of our game. He mentioned that right across the board, skills had improved - hand balling, tackling, running patterns,etc. you name it. Except goal kicking. The one area he said will probably never improve. If there's anyone out there who knows about the mechanics of goal kicking, I'd love to hear from them. The margin for error must be miniscule.
Did you see Warnocks shot for goal? I challenge anyone to repeat what he did, impossible. He kicked it with the side of shin so high up it was ridiculous. You couldnt do it if you tried. Thats a problem above the shoulders IMO.
Yes I did see it, and wished I hadn't. I was referring to goal kicking generally. All teams will occasionally have off nights. And it looks awful when it happens. Some games you can't buy a goal. Other times you can't miss. To whit, Mr Ellis' two boundary goals. I would defy him to kick one of those again this entire season, let alone two in one game.
Just looked at the stats. We had more;
- contested possessions
- clearances
- tackles
- hit outs
- tackles
- inside 50's
- marks inside 50
- shots on goal
and we conspired to loss the game! Only this team, and this group of mental pygmies, are capable of doing that. It is a rare feat to win all the important areas of a game of football and lose on the scoreboard.
The thing that stood out for me last night was the games of Garlett and Robbo. Both made their debuts 5 years ago and we have pumped 100 odd games into each of them. And both of them last night continually made the same errors and poor decisions that they were making 5 years ago! The lack of progress and improvement in fixing their weaknesses made by those 2 players alone [and I know there are others, Mr Waite I'm looking at you] is one of the reasons we remain a middle of the road team. Some really hard decisions need to made on the list if we want to actually get better...........
Spot on Agey, the kid is a star.
He did play well, I am not disputing that, but 94% really?
If you go by the CD stats they also list Curnow as best on ground!
The stats are at best rubbery assessments bent to suit the circumstance.
The arguemnt was that you thought he butchered the ball a bit. 94% efficiency disputes that.
He used the ball weel last night
It's more of a guideline as opposed to an exact science but the 94% does suggest he was great with ball in hand. i didn't notice any issues. I'm not willing to sit through that crap again and confirm.
I suppose this depends on what you classify as an efficient disposal. Some regimes require a fellow team member to take clean control of the ball, others are happy as long as it doesn't go directly to an opponent or OOBOTF.
Changing the subject, how did Robbo go in your opinion?
I saw one occasion where he was under pressure, threw it on the boot and it went to Richmond. I didn't think he was too bad other than that. I do not see how everyone is critcising him for his kicking again it all comes down to preconceived impressions. His kicking was generally good.
Just looked at the stats. We had more;
- contested possessions
- clearances
- tackles
- hit outs
- tackles
- inside 50's
- marks inside 50
- shots on goal
and we conspired to loss the game! Only this team, and this group of mental pygmies, are capable of doing that. It is a rare feat to win all the important areas of a game of football and lose on the scoreboard.
We actually led most stats at half time but were still down. You have to question the gameplan when that's happening.
It's more of a guideline as opposed to an exact science but the 94% does suggest he was great with ball in hand. i didn't notice any issues. I'm not willing to sit through that crap again and confirm.
I suppose this depends on what you classify as an efficient disposal. Some regimes require a fellow team member to take clean control of the ball, others are happy as long as it doesn't go directly to an opponent or OOBOTF.
Changing the subject, how did Robbo go in your opinion?
I saw one occasion where he was under pressure, threw it on the boot and it went to Richmond. I didn't think he was too bad other than that. I do not see how everyone is critcising him for his kicking again it all comes down to preconceived impressions. His kicking was generally good.
There was a lot of us kicking and going straight to Rich,ond. 82 times in fact :P
Well he was responsible for one of them that's for sure!!
So this is Buckley's 3rd or 4th year on the list, had a great pre-season and was still a late inclusion and produced that.
How many other "old" boys are getting a game based on past performances when we have some good hungry kids ready to go?
Just looked at the stats. We had more;
- contested possessions
- clearances
- tackles
- hit outs
- tackles
- inside 50's
- marks inside 50
- shots on goal
and we conspired to loss the game! Only this team, and this group of mental pygmies, are capable of doing that. It is a rare feat to win all the important areas of a game of football and lose on the scoreboard.
We actually led most stats at half time but were still down. You have to question the gameplan when that's happening.
More the mental fortitude if you ask me
The point is the kid produced a ripping game 2 and personally I liked game 1 and to think the rumours last year was he was going to be delisted.
On our side, until we can get some easy disposal we're going to struggle. You can't be so heavy on the contested ball, especially when you have FA KPPs but the chances of some unpredictability coming in are very low.
A few positives to come out of last night. Buckley was fantastic for his second game, I almost certain Yarran will now become a star and we started to look more like a footy team in the second half something that I couldn't see in the port game or in the first half.
Put walker, armfield, Judd, Kruezer, Scotland, carazzo and to some extent Doherty and we are 50% better side.
Agree with this to some extent. We need more pace and Army will definitely give us this and some mongrel if nothing else. We need to weed out the imbeciles who cant kick one by one or two by two if necessary. If they haven't learnt by now they never will. It is the single most important factor that costs us the majority of our games. HS reports 36 turnovers, none more telling than Warnock to Vickory in the goal square for a gift of a goal. Add another half a dozen odd shots at goal that went out on the full? Deplorable.
I remember some years back David Parkin talking about the evolution of our game. He mentioned that right across the board, skills had improved - hand balling, tackling, running patterns,etc. you name it. Except goal kicking. The one area he said will probably never improve. If there's anyone out there who knows about the mechanics of goal kicking, I'd love to hear from them. The margin for error must be miniscule.
Did you see Warnocks shot for goal? I challenge anyone to repeat what he did, impossible. He kicked it with the side of shin so high up it was ridiculous. You couldnt do it if you tried. Thats a problem above the shoulders IMO.
Yes I did see it, and wished I hadn't. I was referring to goal kicking generally. All teams will occasionally have off nights. And it looks awful when it happens. Some games you can't buy a goal. Other times you can't miss. To whit, Mr Ellis' two boundary goals. I would defy him to kick one of those again this entire season, let alone two in one game.
So why are we having a few (lots) off years? :o We generally always kick more points than goals, only a couple of rare games we kick more goals than behinds.
So this is Buckley's 3rd or 4th year on the list, had a great pre-season and was still a late inclusion and produced that.
How many other "old" boys are getting a game based on past performances when we have some good hungry kids ready to go?
This^^^^
Buckley and Menzel impress me. Cripps and Giles have looked the part in the lead up matches. That's encouraging as we need new blood coming through. I believe we have the talent, that shows with the sometimes glorious bursts we've produced over the last few years, but that lazy culture pervades. Been that way since 2002. Too many blokes cruise and until that sorts we'll struggle.
Gibbs has talent but I wouldn't be working too hard to keep him. One of those talented blokes who tends to cruise too much. Happy for him to do that for someone else.
I cant believe the hate for Rowe on here I thought his game was serviceable,have a look when he went into the ruck in the centre we actually starting winning the ball out of the centre. Warnock got first hands on the ball many times but he doesn't tap it to advantage.
Rowe set up Yarran for a goal with a tap down in a contested marking contest.
In the second half Rowe had many important spoils in the back half of the game.
If your going to sack every defender that concedes a mark to Vickery we are going to be very short of players at the end of the year.
It was his first game and I reckon Wood and him would offer more than Warnock in the team.
I cant believe the hate for Rowe on here I thought his game was serviceable,have a look when he went into the ruck in the centre we actually starting winning the ball out of the centre. Warnock got first hands on the ball many times but he doesn't tap it to advantage.
Rowe set up Yarran for a goal with a tap down in a contested marking contest.
In the second half Rowe had many important spoils in the back half of the game.
If your going to sack every defender that concedes a mark to Vickery we are going to be very short of players at the end of the year.
It was his first game and I reckon Wood and him would offer more than Warnock in the team.
I agree Marty100, what was it his 2nd game for us as a KPD and he is dealing with a forward line consisting of a Coleman medalist and a top 10 draft pick KPP. So I think he had an ordinary game but for an early attempt at KPD it was OK. He wasn't in the ruck long enough for me to make a decision about that. My main criticism is that for a ruck type he was disposed of too easily in the couple of contests, but they won't be doing that to him for long if he gets a clean run of games.
Newbies to AFL all have to learn on big lesson, AFL isn't about being fair!
Its not in the ruck where I want Rowe anyway so not worried about that aspect. Down back with some decent chop out and help from someone like Waite with Jamison is my setup.
With many teams having 200cm+ tall key forwards Rowe can assist here. Got some way to go but give him a decent run at it down back with decent support from other talls and I reckon that's our best way to go right now.
Its not in the ruck where I want Rowe anyway so not worried about that aspect. Down back with some decent chop out and help from someone like Waite with Jamison is my setup.
With many teams having 200cm+ tall key forwards Rowe can assist here. Got some way to go but give him a decent run at it down back with decent support from other talls and I reckon that's our best way to go right now.
Fair enough comment I think.
Off the back of this, if Rowe gets a run I'd like to see Watson get a rotation at being the high leading forward marking on the wing or even playing a wing in the style of Gehrig. If you are going to have that sort of left boot why not have it where it can hurt somebody. We have it bombing long balls to midfield marking contests with a bloke like Warnock as the marking target. FFS, if we are going to do that just give the opposition the ball and stop wasting our fecking time!
If we're rebuilding there's no room for blokes like Rowe and White who are cloggers to the extreme. Rowe is what 27? He still hasn't made it. Time to cut him loose.
If we're rebuilding there's no room for blokes like Rowe and White who are cloggers to the extreme. Rowe is what 27? He still hasn't made it. Time to cut him loose.
White I think has done enough to be kept only as insurance / back up.
Rowe I think is an issue. I get no joy from potting him. Given his health issues, I really wanted a fairytale ending. But he just struggles, with the pace, the skill level, the marking, you name it. Forgive me.
Encouraging is that we can, as a group, eventually find the minerals to apply legitimate pressure and actually play some very good footy.
There was no pressure applied it was an open game that hinged on turnovers.
There was a period in the first qtr where we were delivering it to Tiggers players with surgeon like precision. I am certain when we had the ball, they just stood around and waited patiently for us to hand it over to them. It was embarrassing. Eliminate those turnovers and I am sure the game would have been different. Richmond are so overrated, top 4 my a hole.
We have this continual thought that we need to play a fast game and play on all the time. our forwards aren't good enough to read the play and lead early enough to get space from their man.
SOMETIMES we should slooow the game down and keep possession. WTF, they had kicked a bag of goals (4 I think) and we had only 8 touches.
We need to learn to stop the rush and keep possession and spot up players.
I think we are at our best on the run and kicking to players either in space or running into it. We we slow it down and force 1 on 1 or contested footy, Waite and Hendo aside, we can't take a contested or pack mark to save ourselves. And when we do take a mark, we can't kick (for goal or hit up a player) to save ourselves. Let em run I say, we look awful the rest the time. The problem is, that brand requires high efficiency disposal which we are very good at either.
Btw - how classy was Menzel's snap in the last quarter? Rolls Royce that kid......
Its not in the ruck where I want Rowe anyway so not worried about that aspect. Down back with some decent chop out and help from someone like Waite with Jamison is my setup.
With many teams having 200cm+ tall key forwards Rowe can assist here. Got some way to go but give him a decent run at it down back with decent support from other talls and I reckon that's our best way to go right now.
Nup - he's horrendous....Richmond supporters around me were wanting the ball kicked to his opponent, as they well knew whoever the Richmond player was at the time had a pretty good chance of winning the contest or have Rowe totally fork things up, he was a laughing stock.
Btw - how classy was Menzel's snap in the last quarter? Rolls Royce that kid......
Simply has to be played for the rest of the year, i wouldn't care if he went a month without a touch.
The quicker he gets to the point of getting 15-20+ possessions on a regular basis the better.
Buckley and Menzel impress me. Cripps and Giles have looked the part in the lead up matches. That's encouraging as we need new blood coming through. I believe we have the talent, that shows with the sometimes glorious bursts we've produced over the last few years, but that lazy culture pervades. Been that way since 2002. Too many blokes cruise and until that sorts we'll struggle.
Gibbs has talent but I wouldn't be working too hard to keep him. One of those talented blokes who tends to cruise too much. Happy for him to do that for someone else.
So play the effin kids. I am sick of week in week out hacksville. I will call it now, I am happy to finish stone motherless last this year if:
Cripps
Giles
Buckley
Nicky G
play every game from here on in over:
McClean
Robbo (considered for selection only after hitting disposal efficiency KPI's in the 2's for 4-5 consecutive games)
Rowe (never to play again)/Casboult
Lucas
Garlett (to some extent)
Some radical hardcore decisions must be made on the list at years end, this Club is a joke a present.
Btw - how classy was Menzel's snap in the last quarter? Rolls Royce that kid......
Yes he does look the goods doesn't he. I also liked Jimmy's Boy. Has a real dip.
Its not in the ruck where I want Rowe anyway so not worried about that aspect. Down back with some decent chop out and help from someone like Waite with Jamison is my setup.
With many teams having 200cm+ tall key forwards Rowe can assist here. Got some way to go but give him a decent run at it down back with decent support from other talls and I reckon that's our best way to go right now.
Nup - he's horrendous....Richmond supporters around me were wanting the ball kicked to his opponent, as they well knew whoever the Richmond player was at the time had a pretty good chance of winning the contest or have Rowe totally fork things up, he was a laughing stock.
Agree with Brettie, I would be stunned and horrified if he ever plays again.
heres the thing
we run a secular comparison - that's why we get no where
eg. Warnock compared to kruezer compared to wood compared to Rowe
compare any of those to a top 4 team ruckman - incomparable
so on and so forth....
I don't remember whether it was after qtr time or after half time but when the players were in the huddle just before the resumption of play, it was Simmo who appeared to be addressing the team reading the riot act to the team. If memory serves me correctly, we was eyeballing Gibbs right opposite him or am I mistaken? Either way, Murphy went to say a few words at the end but the players walked away. Seems to be struggling still with the verbal stuff. His effort with Push Up when they were walking off was a little hard to watch.
I cant believe the hate for Rowe on here I thought his game was serviceable,have a look when he went into the ruck in the centre we actually starting winning the ball out of the centre. Warnock got first hands on the ball many times but he doesn't tap it to advantage.
Rowe set up Yarran for a goal with a tap down in a contested marking contest.
In the second half Rowe had many important spoils in the back half of the game.
If your going to sack every defender that concedes a mark to Vickery we are going to be very short of players at the end of the year.
It was his first game and I reckon Wood and him would offer more than Warnock in the team.
Got got caught holding the footy with lack of awareness and also dithered around at half back and kicked the ball into the man on the mark...lacks some body strength as well, got bodied out by Vickery and gave away some frees by being awkward. I thought he did his best work in the ruck where he competed ok.
Had a couple of chances to score but chose to pass off which is strange as he is a better kick for goal than most and my instructions would be when he has a chance to score kick for goal.
Maybe could have played forward more as he had a clear height advantage and Richmond looked a bit short down back but Malthouse was moving players every 5 minutes..
I think he will get another go next week as Essendon are fairly tall down the spine ......I would be playing Giles but MM might think its a bit early and if Cripps and Graham play then it might be one kid too many.
Btw - how classy was Menzel's snap in the last quarter? Rolls Royce that kid......
There was a time he just stopped and propped in the first and beat his more experienced opponent hands down.
Got a feeling not a lot will change for next weeks game, other than Walker coming back in. Mainly because the Bullants aren't having a run this weekend and it would not make sense for Mick to be talking so much about the players lack of run due to pre-season ops and then to pick someone who hasn't played for 2 weeks.
A few positives to come out of last night. Buckley was fantastic for his second game, I almost certain Yarran will now become a star and we started to look more like a footy team in the second half something that I couldn't see in the port game or in the first half.
Put walker, armfield, Judd, Kruezer, Scotland, carazzo and to some extent Doherty and we are 50% better side.
Agree with this to some extent. We need more pace and Army will definitely give us this and some mongrel if nothing else. We need to weed out the imbeciles who cant kick one by one or two by two if necessary. If they haven't learnt by now they never will. It is the single most important factor that costs us the majority of our games. HS reports 36 turnovers, none more telling than Warnock to Vickory in the goal square for a gift of a goal. Add another half a dozen odd shots at goal that went out on the full? Deplorable.
I remember some years back David Parkin talking about the evolution of our game. He mentioned that right across the board, skills had improved - hand balling, tackling, running patterns,etc. you name it. Except goal kicking. The one area he said will probably never improve. If there's anyone out there who knows about the mechanics of goal kicking, I'd love to hear from them. The margin for error must be miniscule.
Improve ! Never mind improve, it's gone backwards at a great rate of knots......Earl Spaulding would have kicked a fair chunk of those set shots.....not to mention the likes of Diesel, Braddles, or Campo.
cheers
Mal.
I'm new to modern footy so would love thoughts on the idea of switching Everitt and Gibbs' roles last night either at half time or in the last quarter...Gibbs is a great tagger and was getting cleaned up so thought it would have been smart to get something out of him by have by switching his and Everitt's roles. Everitt had Delidio shutdown so perhaps a move would've been to role the dice and release Everitt into an attacking role. He looked like he could've been dangerous and would have forced a difficult match up for them. Thoughts?
Improve ! Never mind improve, it's gone backwards at a great rate of knots......Earl Spaulding would have kicked a fair chunk of those set shots.....not to mention the likes of Diesel, Braddles, or Campo.
Modern fitness staff ban players from practicing goal kicking because they think over kicking increases the risk of soft tissue injuries. But FFS, that is the sport
football!
A disappointing result in the end due to our skill errors and poor goal kicking following on from our slumbers in the 1H. However there were some positives and I didn't leave the game as despondent as I did after R1. Here are my thoughts, player by player.
Sam Rowe - Wasn't as bad IMO as many paint him on here, but does dither and have brain fades. If he could get rid of that aspect of his game he may become a useful foot soldier.
Kane Lucas - Got the ball and ran with it well a few times but mostly turned it over in the end - time running out
Brock McLean - Too slow and was Mr Invisible AFAIWC.
Simon White - Very ordinary foot soldier - we need to replace him with quality. Better option atm than McInnes though.
Bryce Gibbs - Moments of real class but generally does not look very interested. Would not be paying big bucks to keep him.
Robert Warnock - More of the same - run of the mill ruckman, so recognise his limitations
Mitch Robinson - Better last night, but pretty much his usual fare. I personally think he's a luxury we can't afford and we need a more skilled mid to replace him.
Tom Bell - Showed a lot last night IMO and really surprised me. I think we should persevere with him as I'm a lot more confident now that he'll come good.
Jarryd Waite - Obvious talent forward and back but his goal kicking is very hit and miss. Make the most of him while he's around - we don't have an obvious replacement.
Jeff Garlett - Needs to stop being a show pony and show more focus and ruthlessness - he'd be a lot better for it.
Chris Yarran - Impressive last night IMO. Showed he could be good defensively and open up the opposition. Also is beginning to show a bit was leadership - he's on the right track now.
David Ellard - Good foot soldier.
Ed Curnow - Very good tagger/nullifier but needs to improve his disposal and be more damaging in positive ways. He's on the right track though.
Kade Simpson - Spiritual captain and key part of the soul of the CFC.
Lachie Henderson - Very good forward and back. Key part of our future.
Marc Murphy - Good game last night but I don't think he's 100% fit and I don't think he's a truly inspiring leader.
Dale Thomas - Class act and will prove worth his weight in gold IMO (Yes I know he's being paid that kind of dough!)
Andrejs Everitt - Good acquisition who defends well and pops up forward to kick a few valuable goals.
Michael Jamison - Outclassed Jack last night - hope he can stay 100% fit.
Troy Menzel - Shows pure class at times - part of our future for sure - keep playing him Mick.
Zach Tuohy - Like the strength and toughness of Zac but has not yet hit his straps this year.
Dylan Buckley - Pure guts, determination, pace and at times a fair bit of skill. As for Menzel, keep playing him Mick.
re: Gibbs vs Ellis... I would have sent Gibbs to FF...evacuated the FF line and left Gibbs one out vs Ellis and told him to lead hard.
Richmond do it with Martin...leave him one out with an acre to work in..sometimes Mick doesnt think outside the square often enough IMO...
re: Gibbs vs Ellis... I would have sent Gibbs to FF...evacuated the FF line and left Gibbs one out vs Ellis and told him to lead hard.
Richmond do it with Martin...leave him one out with an acre to work in..sometimes Mick doesnt think outside the square often enough IMO...
Think it was Martin playing in that situation who out-bodied 2E to kick the sealer.
re: Gibbs vs Ellis... I would have sent Gibbs to FF...evacuated the FF line and left Gibbs one out vs Ellis and told him to lead hard.
Richmond do it with Martin...leave him one out with an acre to work in..sometimes Mick doesnt think outside the square often enough IMO...
Think it was Martin playing in that situation who out-bodied 2E to kick the sealer.
Tuohy on Martin was not a good match up, Martin is too agile for most defenders in the league let alone Tuohy who often turns like a ruck.
On another note, watching the replay, watch in the background. Count how many Carlton players you see standing watching the game. They have no idea where they are supposed to be or who they are playing on. That my fellow Carlton fans is a coaching problem!
re: Gibbs vs Ellis... I would have sent Gibbs to FF...evacuated the FF line and left Gibbs one out vs Ellis and told him to lead hard.
Richmond do it with Martin...leave him one out with an acre to work in..sometimes Mick doesnt think outside the square often enough IMO...
Think it was Martin playing in that situation who out-bodied 2E to kick the sealer.
Tuohy on Martin was not a good match up, Martin is too agile for most defenders in the league let alone Tuohy who often turns like a ruck.
On another note, watching the replay, watch in the background. Count how many Carlton players you see standing watching the game. They have no idea where they are supposed to be or who they are playing on. That my fellow Carlton fans is a coaching problem!
Noticed exactly that at the game. One example right in front of us, Robbo I think, in our D50 looked at his man who didn't have the ball but moved towards the arc, then looked at the man with the ball and started to go towards him, stopped and the ran back towards his own man but only got within 6 or 7 meters of him. Meanwhile the man with ball passed it off to another Tiger who goaled. Meanwhile Robbo was alone in no man's land. Talk about 2 minds or going around in circles! ::)
re: Gibbs vs Ellis... I would have sent Gibbs to FF...evacuated the FF line and left Gibbs one out vs Ellis and told him to lead hard.
Richmond do it with Martin...leave him one out with an acre to work in..sometimes Mick doesnt think outside the square often enough IMO...
Think it was Martin playing in that situation who out-bodied 2E to kick the sealer.
Tuohy on Martin was not a good match up, Martin is too agile for most defenders in the league let alone Tuohy who often turns like a ruck.
On another note, watching the replay, watch in the background. Count how many Carlton players you see standing watching the game. They have no idea where they are supposed to be or who they are playing on. That my fellow Carlton fans is a coaching problem!
Noticed exactly that at the game. One example right in front of us, Robbo I think, in our D50 looked at his man who didn't have the ball but moved towards the arc, then looked at the man with the ball and started to go towards him, stopped and the ran back towards his own man but only got within 6 or 7 meters of him. Meanwhile the man with ball passed it off to another Tiger who goaled. Meanwhile Robbo was alone in no man's land. Talk about 2 minds or going around in circles! ::)
I would say its a "crap for brains" problem. Player in question no brain surgeon is he?
I would say its a "crap for brains" problem. Player in question no brain surgeon is he?
You wish it was just him, at one stage I glimpsed three of them arguing on the wing about who should be where while three Nthmond players stood free on the F50 arc 25m away!
In general though many players seemed to be doing the above "shuffle" as described by Cookie.
I would say its a "crap for brains" problem. Player in question no brain surgeon is he?
You wish it was just him, at one stage I glimpsed three of them arguing on the wing about who should be where while three Nthmond players stood free on the F50 arc 25m away!
In general though many players seemed to be doing the above "shuffle" as described by Cookie.
Sounds like the old "pointing" our blokes used to do a few years ago, JR was the master. They would all point at spaces and players. I used to to think to myself (channelling my best John Kennedy), "don't point, do"
I used to to think to myself (channelling my best John Kennedy), "don't point, do"
That should be on our banner next match!
I would say its a "crap for brains" problem. Player in question no brain surgeon is he?
You wish it was just him, at one stage I glimpsed three of them arguing on the wing about who should be where while three Nthmond players stood free on the F50 arc 25m away!
In general though many players seemed to be doing the above "shuffle" as described by Cookie.
That might be a coaching problem, but the reality is that the blokes are still learning the game plan (most likely).
The fact that they cannot figure out where to be when, and multiple are trying to figure it out, tells me its more of a leadership problem than a coaching problem.
Someone wasnt directing traffic and might have been a bit concerned with how they impact the game, and may then have run off the line they were supposed to be on which causes headaches around the ground. IF someone kicked a goal, undoubtedly this is the case.
On the flipside, its a breath of fresh air that at least once a game, we are able to get a player in space, off the interchange bench as we are using that thing smarter too.
On the flipside, its a breath of fresh air that at least once a game, we are able to get a player in space, off the interchange bench as we are using that thing smarter too.
;D
Actually we were dead lucky at the time, play had been stopped momentarily while a free kick in the midfield was recalled. The irony for me was it was our free kick, our blokes were arguing about picking up Nthmond players like they expected a turnover rather than making themselves a useful target! The Nthmond HFF did not even bother to move down onto them, in others words our three free blokes on the wing were not even a threat!
Improve ! Never mind improve, it's gone backwards at a great rate of knots......Earl Spaulding would have kicked a fair chunk of those set shots.....not to mention the likes of Diesel, Braddles, or Campo.
Modern fitness staff ban players from practicing goal kicking because they think over kicking increases the risk of soft tissue injuries. But FFS, that is the sport football!
well then - suffer an injury to your membership numbers
Just watched the second half.
I don't know how we lost that game.
Seriously we absolutely killed them.
That wasnt a "10 minutes of footy" and win the game come back, we smashed them for a half.
Just didn't win.
Just watched the second half.
I don't know how we lost that game.
Seriously we absolutely killed them.
That wasnt a "10 minutes of footy" and win the game come back, we smashed them for a half.
Just didn't win.
Did all the hard work, just didn't / couldn't finish. And costly errors at the death (yes knockers) didn't help either.
Just watched the second half.
I don't know how we lost that game.
Seriously we absolutely killed them.
That wasnt a "10 minutes of footy" and win the game come back, we smashed them for a half.
Just didn't win.
We beat Port fair and square for a half as well. I guess when win four quarters we'll have a victory.
I m not sure how I will feel about MM coaching style
He rants and behaves like a fwit in the box
struts out on the ground and publicly singles out players
thought that sh1te went out with Barassi
There was talk on Fox after the game about whether he even had control of what was going on behaving like that. The question was definitely put forward and there were doubts raised.
I want to say one thing and that is if you as a supporter don't think robo should be playing you are wrong.When us have a team of soft c...is like we have then you need someone that will get the pill even if there disposal is below average. I'd love to see Garlett,yarran, Murphy Gibbs Lucas and half the rest do what he does,watch last years final then judge him,I'd take another 3 or 4,of him any day.Yaz looked good last night but how many times did he get the hard tough ball,
Like it or not at least I'm not one of the sheep
Amen to that slugger!
I want to say one thing and that is if you as a supporter don't think robo should be playing you are wrong.When us have a team of soft c...is like we have then you need someone that will get the pill even if there disposal is below average. I'd love to see Garlett,yarran, Murphy Gibbs Lucas and half the rest do what he does,watch last years final then judge him,I'd take another 3 or 4,of him any day.Yaz looked good last night but how many times did he get the hard tough ball,
Like it or not at least I'm not one of the sheep
Tend to agree slug.
I only saw the second half and he was good in that.
I want to say one thing and that is if you as a supporter don't think robo should be playing you are wrong.When us have a team of soft c...is like we have then you need someone that will get the pill even if there disposal is below average. I'd love to see Garlett,yarran, Murphy Gibbs Lucas and half the rest do what he does,watch last years final then judge him,I'd take another 3 or 4,of him any day.Yaz looked good last night but how many times did he get the hard tough ball,
Like it or not at least I'm not one of the sheep
Slugger, no one on here has, to my recollection, ever said that Robbo does not go in and get the hard ball. Most of us sheep just complain about what he does with after he's got it....baaaah. ;D
There was talk on Fox after the game about whether he even had control of what was going on behaving like that. The question was definitely put forward and there were doubts raised.
Turn it up.
There was talk on Fox after the game about whether he even had control of what was going on behaving like that. The question was definitely put forward and there were doubts raised.
Turn it up.
Even better, turn it off.
There was talk on Fox after the game about whether he even had control of what was going on behaving like that. The question was definitely put forward and there were doubts raised.
Turn it up.
I couldn't the kids were sleeping. :P
I want to say one thing and that is if you as a supporter don't think robo should be playing you are wrong.When us have a team of soft c...is like we have then you need someone that will get the pill even if there disposal is below average. I'd love to see Garlett,yarran, Murphy Gibbs Lucas and half the rest do what he does,watch last years final then judge him,I'd take another 3 or 4,of him any day.Yaz looked good last night but how many times did he get the hard tough ball,
Like it or not at least I'm not one of the sheep
So you are telling me you're happy with Robbo cracking in hard as nails, winning the footy and giving it to the other mob 7 or 8 times out of 10? And not only that, you'd want another 3 or 4 like him to do the same? Gimme a farken spell will ya?
Just watched the second half.
I don't know how we lost that game.
Seriously we absolutely killed them.
That wasnt a "10 minutes of footy" and win the game come back, we smashed them for a half.
Just didn't win.
Here, I'll save you watching a half of footy, just watch this.
http://www.afl.com.au/video/2014-03-27/thursday-showreel-blues-in-blunderland
They stand around not knowing what to do due to the coach, again - by now they should know their roles FFs.
If Gibbs is going, can't we just make him sign on now or be played in the 2s, pointless to not use others before him now - you could tell very early with Betts that he was leaving, why bother keeping him playing, not going to be part of a premiership this year
I m not sure how I will feel about MM coaching style
He rants and behaves like a fwit in the box
struts out on the ground and publicly singles out players
thought that sh1te went out with Barassi
Mate I challenge any coach in the comp to put on a CFC polo, sit in the box and try and direct our mob to play. FMD Ross Lyon would eat them alive if they served up the rubbish from the 1st and 2nd qtrs last night. I reckon MM is semi restrained.
Bad kicking is bad football, sums up the game.
But as I said b4 the game, the team with the most pride would win. When the scores were level late in the last qtr it was the Tiges that made sure they got the job done. Good on them, but I am not impressed with the lack of pride and/or player leadership that was displayed out there.
They stand around not knowing what to do due to the coach, again - by now they should know their roles FFs.
If Gibbs is going, can't we just make him sign on now or be played in the 2s, pointless to not use others before him now - you could tell very early with Betts that he was leaving, why bother keeping him playing, not going to be part of a premiership this year
Look at his hew hair style. He is gone so stop playing him and let him go back home. If we get a compo pick, then bonus. If we don't Buckley better get every game we can get into him. I like this kid and he has genuine ability along with attitude.
They stand around not knowing what to do due to the coach, again - by now they should know their roles FFs.
If Gibbs is going, can't we just make him sign on now or be played in the 2s, pointless to not use others before him now - you could tell very early with Betts that he was leaving, why bother keeping him playing, not going to be part of a premiership this year
Look at his hew hair style. He is gone so stop playing him and let him go back home. If we get a compo pick, then bonus. If we don't Buckley better get every game we can get into him. I like this kid and he has genuine ability along with attitude.
Mants...Agree on Buckley, the lad has some ticker and his pace is a real weapon, when we get Docherty into the team we may be able to use Buckley further up the ground.
Gibbs and his hairstyle....both going very ordinary and he looks like an extra out of a B grade bike movie...needs to get a haircut and and some intensity, probably will have Heath Hocking for company this week given a similar bozo in Ellis took him out of the game and Judd wont be playing.
I actually kept thinking that Gibbs was Duigan with that hair. Maybe it's a South Australian thing, and if so he's gone! ;)
Bad kicking is bad football, sums up the game.
But as I said b4 the game, the team with the most pride would win. When the scores were level late in the last qtr it was the Tiges that made sure they got the job done. Good on them, but I am not impressed with the lack of pride and/or player leadership that was displayed out there.
I'm not sure the times made sure the job got done. More happy accident that Rowe kicked into the man on the mark and a rather fortuitous fifty metre penalty that helped them relieve the screw we were turning.
If Gibbs is at Carlton next year i'll eat an Adelaide coloured hat, and buy a Richmond membership, he is GAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWN!
Body language was atrocious, went to water when he was tagged the pea-heart.
I m not sure how I will feel about MM coaching style
He rants and behaves like a fwit in the box
struts out on the ground and publicly singles out players
thought that sh1te went out with Barassi
Mate I challenge any coach in the comp to put on a CFC polo, sit in the box and try and direct our mob to play. FMD Ross Lyon would eat them alive if they served up the rubbish from the 1st and 2nd qtrs last night. I reckon MM is semi restrained.
He's far from restrained though. Regardless it can't be healthy for the team having someone carrying on like that in the box it's absolute mayhem.
He's far from restrained though. Regardless it can't be healthy for the team having someone carrying on like that in the box it's absolute mayhem.
He's won 3 flags, Clarkson has won 2 including last year's and he is far more animated than Malthouse.
I m not sure how I will feel about MM coaching style
He rants and behaves like a fwit in the box
struts out on the ground and publicly singles out players
thought that sh1te went out with Barassi
Mate I challenge any coach in the comp to put on a CFC polo, sit in the box and try and direct our mob to play. FMD Ross Lyon would eat them alive if they served up the rubbish from the 1st and 2nd qtrs last night. I reckon MM is semi restrained.
And Brad (North never give away frees) Scott is any different? He is pretty animated. :o
He's far from restrained though. Regardless it can't be healthy for the team having someone carrying on like that in the box it's absolute mayhem.
He's won 3 flags, Clarkson has won 2 including last year's and he is far more animated than Malthouse.
Didn't we also bag Rats for barracking while in the coaches box. Damned if they do and damned if they don't.
Do we want a coach like Bomber Thompson who just sits with an expressionless glum face like he is playing poker?
I like a bit of passion in the box, after all we are playing for sheep stations.
He's far from restrained though. Regardless it can't be healthy for the team having someone carrying on like that in the box it's absolute mayhem.
He's won 3 flags, Clarkson has won 2 including last year's and he is far more animated than Malthouse.
When he won flags he was never this bad nor have I seen Clarkson behave in this manner for extended periods. It subsides very quickly. BTW it wasn't me that said that on Fox Footy is was the commentators I'm just the messenger.
@BluePhantom
Bummer Thompson was barracking hard in the box last night.
And there's a big difference between passion/animation and losing your marbles.
I don't care if he's an over the top 'nutter' or a shrinking violet, wallflower.......
The only 'good' coach is a 'winning' coach ;)
hey mick, knock knock
MM: who's there
Owen
MM: Owen who
Owen 2
I want to say one thing and that is if you as a supporter don't think robo should be playing you are wrong.When us have a team of soft c...is like we have then you need someone that will get the pill even if there disposal is below average. I'd love to see Garlett,yarran, Murphy Gibbs Lucas and half the rest do what he does,watch last years final then judge him,I'd take another 3 or 4,of him any day.Yaz looked good last night but how many times did he get the hard tough ball,
Like it or not at least I'm not one of the sheep
What's the point of winning the ball when more often than you just give the ball back?
I couldn't work out why Robbo was getting the ball so much, well I could he goes hard for it, but when he does he has no opposition, from what I could tell Richmond was dropping a player 40m our goal side of a ball up, not putting pressure on Robbo who would win it and kick long, straight into the waiting players arms, who would then transfer play or run into the guts and boot it over the stoppages head and Richmond would have a running wave into goal.
Don't get me wrong, I love Mitch's attack on the player and the ball, I love how he protects his team mates, but until he makes the long kick 1 out of 10 possessions, instead 7 out of 10 possessions then he is a liability.
My rant on the game now that I've calmed down enough.
Richmond did not win the game, sure they got the four points but Carlton lost it. You cannot have that many easy shots on goal throughout the game for Richmond to say they won. Our woeful kicking lost it end of story.
Touhy needs to remember what got him a regular game, that's hard at the player giving no space all the time, stop worrying about a run off position, Martin is a dangerous forward and that match up could have really hurt us if Richmond used it.
Warnock, if a bum like Vickery gets in your face like that again the punch him in the face. Carlton players hang your head in shame for not getting around Warnock as well. Sure it was a dumb kick but if someone gets into a team mate like that then he gets taken care of. I don't think I've seen a do nothing waste of space like Vickery talk so much $hit. I loved Buckley pushing him back into the ground with a look of distaste. Dylans gets another game just for that.
Buckley, I don't know what was keeping him from playing last season but he needs to play now, pace, kicking and mongrel. Perfect ingredients.
I guess that proves that we rolled over last week, at least to some extent. We were finishing as the better team last night, no fitness issues.
Glad you are not a scientist.
All that PROVES is in terms of fitness..
Port > Carlton > Tigers
Since I, (and others) told you that Port have elite fitness, none of this should come as a surprise.
However, since you've picked up your half empty glass.....and thrown it out the window, i'm not surprised you've come to that conclusion. :o
The first half tells us we are more than capable of playing very shizen football when we are totally fresh. So we can't say if we were at Port's fitness level we would have fared any better.
Positives from the game.
- Yarran taking a huge step in the right direction.
- Buckleys emergence
- Playing absolutely crape for half a game, worst goal kicking i have seen since little league ever....yet we still only lost to a genuine top 8 side by 2 goals, without 3 players who have won 5 of our last 7 B+Fs playing.
Kick straight, we win by 5 goals playing average footy.
Next.
The first half tells us we are more than capable of playing very shizen football when we are totally fresh. So we can't say if we were at Port's fitness level we would have fared any better.
If it was fitness alone we would've gone down fighting by a few goals against Port. Not hard to identify that we are mentally weak.
He's far from restrained though. Regardless it can't be healthy for the team having someone carrying on like that in the box it's absolute mayhem.
He's won 3 flags, Clarkson has won 2 including last year's and he is far more animated than Malthouse.
Exactly my point.
I actually kept thinking that Gibbs was Duigan with that hair. Maybe it's a South Australian thing, and if so he's gone! ;)
I keep telling you all - it's not Gibbs out there. It's Tom Cruise getting into character for his next movie. Mind you, he's not doing too badly for a complete novice. :P
The first half tells us we are more than capable of playing very shizen football when we are totally fresh. So we can't say if we were at Port's fitness level we would have fared any better.
If it was fitness alone we would've gone down fighting by a few goals against Port. Not hard to identify that we are mentally weak.
One thing that never changes in football... Everyone looks slow and tired when they don't have the ball.
He's far from restrained though. Regardless it can't be healthy for the team having someone carrying on like that in the box it's absolute mayhem.
He's won 3 flags, Clarkson has won 2 including last year's and he is far more animated than Malthouse.
Exactly my point.
I saw him behave in the box - it wasn't good, throwing head phones, frothing at the mouth, screaming down the phone. Looks like a man who is surprised on match day that the team plays the way it does.
Either the team responds, or it goes into its shell and he looses them- for good
On Gibbs - I prefer he goes TBH. If we get a first rounder with ticker, I d be happier than committing a long term contract on big $$$
on someone that plays like he'd prefer to be selling tshirts
Malthouse was more animated against North last year but no one cared because we won. Clarkson punches holes in walls but no one cares because they win.
It's not like he started doing this since he got to Carlton.
He was much worse at the WCE, particularly his last couple of years.
Coaches can't win.
FMD Ratts was criticized for eating snakes for god sake!
yeah, its a different sort of nuts
its the kind when you see your home getting robbed on your iphone
or the pram is heading for the lake sort of nuts
Lost control nuts / how dare you nuts
And it was for half an hour straight nuts. It's like Mal Muir was our coach.
I would've been concerned but Malthouse is as exasperated as I am at some of the crap our boys dish up, and probably mirrors my look at times.
Let's face it, when everything is going wrong the most trivial things get pointed to as being a problem when odds are it isn't really important.
I want to say one thing and that is if you as a supporter don't think robo should be playing you are wrong.When us have a team of soft c...is like we have then you need someone that will get the pill even if there disposal is below average. I'd love to see Garlett,yarran, Murphy Gibbs Lucas and half the rest do what he does,watch last years final then judge him,I'd take another 3 or 4,of him any day.Yaz looked good last night but how many times did he get the hard tough ball,
Like it or not at least I'm not one of the sheep
What's the point of winning the ball when more often than you just give the ball back?
I couldn't work out why Robbo was getting the ball so much, well I could he goes hard for it, but when he does he has no opposition, from what I could tell Richmond was dropping a player 40m our goal side of a ball up, not putting pressure on Robbo who would win it and kick long, straight into the waiting players arms, who would then transfer play or run into the guts and boot it over the stoppages head and Richmond would have a running wave into goal.
Don't get me wrong, I love Mitch's attack on the player and the ball, I love how he protects his team mates, but until he makes the long kick 1 out of 10 possessions, instead 7 out of 10 possessions then he is a liability.
My rant on the game now that I've calmed down enough.
Richmond did not win the game, sure they got the four points but Carlton lost it. You cannot have that many easy shots on goal throughout the game for Richmond to say they won. Our woeful kicking lost it end of story.
Touhy needs to remember what got him a regular game, that's hard at the player giving no space all the time, stop worrying about a run off position, Martin is a dangerous forward and that match up could have really hurt us if Richmond used it.
Warnock, if a bum like Vickery gets in your face like that again the punch him in the face. Carlton players hang your head in shame for not getting around Warnock as well. Sure it was a dumb kick but if someone gets into a team mate like that then he gets taken care of. I don't think I've seen a do nothing waste of space like Vickery talk so much $hit. I loved Buckley pushing him back into the ground with a look of distaste. Dylans gets another game just for that.
Buckley, I don't know what was keeping him from playing last season but he needs to play now, pace, kicking and mongrel. Perfect ingredients.
Agree on Buckley.......like the agro back at Vickery who is all bluff, if that had been Jonothan Brown and not Warnock then Vickery would have been on the ground with his head getting squeezed Barry Hall/Scott Thompson like and Vickery looking over his shoulder for the rest of the game.
You need a big enforcer to deal with wannabes like Vickery...Rowe was too nice, Watson wouldnt be any better and White who does have a go isnt big enough....Ryder from Essendon usually pulls the some crape with our players like Vickery and intimidates them.
re: Buckley...ripper game IMO...pace, agro and passion for the jumper...pity he isnt 200cm....
Last season we let Vickery(AKA, The Fugu Kick Specialist) give McLean a face full of boot studs and we didn't react at all!
Vickery is a highly skilled footballer but piss weak because he picks soft targets.
Last season we let Vickery(AKA, The Fugu Kick Specialist) give McLean a face full of boot studs and we didn't react at all!
Vickery is a highly skilled footballer but piss weak because he picks soft targets.
Which is weird because his dad is the boxing coach at the Club and can go abit (so can The apparently)
Jarrad Waite (Carlton) - Staging - Reprimand
That was actually quite funny, is this the first reprimand for staging we've seen?
Jarrad Waite (Carlton) - Staging - Reprimand
That was actually quite funny, is this the first reprimand for staging we've seen?
Jetta also got it. Not sure if anyone else has. So does that mean Waite's a cheat then? :P
Jarrad Waite (Carlton) - Staging - Reprimand
That was actually quite funny, is this the first reprimand for staging we've seen?
Did Jordan Lewis get one for Friday night?
No he didn't by the looks of things.
HAWTHORN vice-captain Jordan Lewis admits it was uncomfortable watching the replay of his 'dive' in the third quarter against Essendon on Friday night.
Lewis staged for a free kick after being pushed in the chest by Brendon Goddard, falling theatrically to the ground on the Hawks' defensive side of the wing.
To rub salt into the wound, Goddard played on from his mark and handballed forward while Lewis lay prone on the ground.
"I do remember it and once I saw it I didn't really like it, to be honest," he said of the incident on Monday.
"I suppose I probably hadn't had a kick up until then, so I thought if I can try and suck him in in any way I might get my first kick for the game.
"But I don't want to get a reputation for that."
Lewis has previously been on the receiving end of a stiff penalty because of staging.
The Hawks midfielder was suspended for one match in 2011 after then Essendon player Angus Monfries feigned contact from a head-butt to try to win a free kick in front of goal.
Essendon's Leroy Jetta copped a public hammering when he became the first AFL player charged for staging for a free kick in a match against Richmond in 2012.
Jetta received a written reprimand from the match review panel for that incident. Fremantle tagger Ryan Crowley has also received a reprimand for staging.
A written reprimand is the first warning for players charged with staging, with financial sanctions the next step.
From AFL.com
Jarrad Waite (Carlton) - Staging - Reprimand
That was actually quite funny, is this the first reprimand for staging we've seen?
Jetta also got it. Not sure if anyone else has. So does that mean Waite's a cheat then? :P
No, just a d1ckhead.
Jarrad Waite (Carlton) - Staging - Reprimand
That was actually quite funny, is this the first reprimand for staging we've seen?
Did Jordan Lewis get one for Friday night?
Wasn't even looked out. Once again the MRP show inconsistency. I'm not defending Waite (he's an idiot), but Lewis's was no less a staged attempt to earn a free.
Jarrad Waite (Carlton) - Staging - Reprimand
That was actually quite funny, is this the first reprimand for staging we've seen?
Jetta also got it. Not sure if anyone else has. So does that mean Waite's a cheat then? :P
No, just a d1ckhead.
....and a terrible actor ;) :D
Jarrad Waite (Carlton) - Staging - Reprimand
That was actually quite funny, is this the first reprimand for staging we've seen?
Jetta also got it. Not sure if anyone else has. So does that mean Waite's a cheat then? :P
No, just a d1ckhead.
....and a terrible actor ;) :D
I don't see why he needs to test the mrp every year. Especially against Richmond.
Maybe his father got him all revved up about the tigers as a young tracker.
Tyrone Vickery is the softest pretender picking on certain types. He is laughable how ridiculous and scared he is out there. Didn't see him go find Robinson and try that on him. Reckon his jaw might have been wired up about now. Hey Ty, go try that on Luke Hodge and see how you fair ol' boy!
Jarrad Waite (Carlton) - Staging - Reprimand
That was actually quite funny, is this the first reprimand for staging we've seen?
Jetta also got it. Not sure if anyone else has. So does that mean Waite's a cheat then? :P
No, just a d1ckhead.
....and a terrible actor ;) :D
I don't see why he needs to test the mrp every year. Especially against Richmond.
Maybe his father got him all revved up about the tigers as a young tracker.
Wish he'd gotten on the front foot, a la Lewis, and admitted being a goose.
Our players dont get interviewed frequently and frankly are not good media performers anyway.
Besides, they will all just get asked about Bryce Gibbs over and over again, and it will be the same old same old answers and the only thing that anyone will focus on.