Essendon vs Carlton (Away game)
Sunday 6 April@19:10 (note start time)
MCG
Arch rival and we desperately need a win otherwise our season is looking very shaky. Essendon finished up strong but we were reasonable in finishing so hopefully we can carry some form into this game.. Jamo will need to continue his form and we'll need Gibbs to hit back and impact this game to be any chance.
Walker straight back in and to the forward line please. Buckley to have first go at his old gig
Go at it.
Essendon vs Carlton (Away game)
Sunday 6 April@19:10 (note start time)
MCG
Arch rival and we desperately need a win otherwise our season is looking very shaky. Essendon finished up strong but we were reasonable in finishing so hopefully we can carry some form into this game.. Jamo will need to continue his form and we'll need Gibbs to hit back and impact this game to be any chance.
Walker straight back in and to the forward line please. Buckley to have first go at his old gig
Go at it.
Our only hope here is that it's at the MCG not crapihad.
Much harder to pressure the ball carrier and cause turnovers. Unfortunately we do that without assistance.
I'm hoping that we pick runners, runners and more runners.
Be won in the middle, we wont be able to stop their tall forwards so denying them forward entries is what its all about and that means winning the clearances and having more of the footy.
Howlett and Hocking will probably get Murphy and Gibbs so we need a win there and Curnow will probably get Watson...need another win.
I think Ryder was injured so Warnock and whoever(Wood perhaps) might have it easier.....
Robbo and Bell need to hit and tackle hard and Jarrod Waite needs a big game.
It Blues vs Dons so its 50/50 IMO.. regardless of form , we can win this game with careful planning and application.
Walker back and up forward and I would play Henderson up forward to win the game and forget about trying to save the game by sending players back and forward every 5 minutes..all out attack would be my tactics...
I think Ryder was injured so Warnock and whoever(Wood perhaps) might have it easier.....
If Wood goes on the list this week whoever goes LTI is out for at least 8 weeks.
Definitely need to win the key midfield battle. The Bummers will probably have to rely on young Joe Daniher as Bellchambers and Ryder are injured, so Warnock should be able to do that job with assistance from whoever.
The Bummer midfield looked pretty strong to me with Jobe et al, but I think we could exploit Stanton a bit. Goddard had another excellent game and he could be a real problem - Everitt to get him? Their two youngsters also had good games - Gleeson and Ambrose.
Be a tough gig alright - the Bummers are no Tiggers and will play 4Qs and won't go away, so we'd better be prepared to do the same otherwise it could get embarrassing.
Be won in the middle, we wont be able to stop their tall forwards so denying them forward entries is what its all about and that means winning the clearances and having more of the footy.
In his post game presser, Bomber said that they were too tall and losing Ryder gave them a better balanced line up. Ryder could be replaced with another mid.
Our forward line functions better when there is another genuine marking option. I'd play Waite and Henderson as key forwards with Walker and Everitt both spending more time forward.
Should have beat the reigning Premier last night if not for arsy Rioli. Bummer T has them humming. They will spank us by plenty. 0-3 after next week.
Must admit that things are not looking promising. Essendon have structural problems but seem to be able to overcome them even against good sides. We have structural problems and we can't find solutions against anyone. That is frustrating.
We are lucky that Ryder looks like being out, but I wouldn't be banking on that: they seem to get up much better for these games than we do for the moment.
Midfields: if we let them run around unmolested, as we did for almost a half against Richmond, they will pound us.
As for our goal kicking.... I would play Robbo on their old timer: Essendon loose drive when father time isn't getting the ball.
Must admit that things are not looking promising. Essendon have structural problems but seem to be able to overcome them even against good sides. We have structural problems and we can't find solutions against anyone. That is frustrating.
We are lucky that Ryder looks like being out, but I wouldn't be banking on that: they seem to get up much better for these games than we do for the moment.
Midfields: if we let them run around unmolested, as we did for almost a half against Richmond, they will pound us.
As for our goal kicking.... I would play Robbo on their old timer: Essendon loose drive when father time isn't getting the ball.
Agree...Robbo on Fletcher has worked well in the past, the old bloke doesnt know what to do with Robbo, it would be a bit like playing on Mark "Jacko" Jackson..expect the unexpected from Robbo who
plays that annoying role very well.
Carlisle and Daniher rucking will help us, with Bellchambers out long term and Ryder injured it will stuff their structure up and make life easier for Jamo and crew down back not having a twin towers
forward setup to face unless the bombers promote Fraser Thurlow who is their rookie ruckman. Solid lump of a kid is Thurlow and takes a good mark but isnt quick and should not pose problems for Warnock.
I reckon there's next to no chance the stubborn Malthouse would use Robbo on Fletcher, that's Ratts' tactic.
Bring in Cripps atvthr expence of Brock and give him periods on Watson as a learning experience. Id leave in Lacas and Bucks boy for some desperately needed spark. Watson may come back along with walker and id like to see Woods play at the expence of Rowe.
ryder being out doesn't matter
our ruck will gladly oblige to tap it to their advantage
Some youth.... And no Brock FFS.
Must must absolutely must put heavy work into Watson. He is there prime mover and if you are to be any chance he must shut down. Most go in in conceding defeat with him, I say have a red hot go at him. He may be too big and strong for Ed. I say give Everitt a run with role. Sorted out Delidio the other night. At 194 and 90kg, has the tools to go with Jobe (190 and 94kg). The only other one would be Bell but...
Must must absolutely must put heavy work into Watson. He is there prime mover and if you are to be any chance he must shut down. Most go in in conceding defeat with him, I say have a red hot go at him. He may be too big and strong for Ed. I say give Everitt a run with role. Sorted out Delidio the other night. At 194 and 90kg, has the tools to go with Jobe (190 and 94kg). The only other one would be Bell but...
Agree with you GTC that we must close down Watson, but equally importantly we must keep Goddard on the leash. He was everywhere last night and he could also be key in our crucifixion.
Must must absolutely must put heavy work into Watson. He is there prime mover and if you are to be any chance he must shut down. Most go in in conceding defeat with him, I say have a red hot go at him. He may be too big and strong for Ed. I say give Everitt a run with role. Sorted out Delidio the other night. At 194 and 90kg, has the tools to go with Jobe (190 and 94kg). The only other one would be Bell but...
Agree 100% if he's on song he'll cut us up he always does. Everitt has the size and hopefully the tank to go with him.
Bell did well on him the season prior to last, has also apparently improved his tank this year.
I reckon there's next to no chance the stubborn Malthouse would use Robbo on Fletcher, that's Ratts' tactic.
Fletcher is past it now, give him too much credit and you shoot yourself in the foot with the likes of Hurley, Carlisle, Goddard and Hooker. Fletcher is basically a stay at home defender these days, a good one I admit, but he is no longer the go to man in the same way Judd is no longer Judd!
I reckon there's next to no chance the stubborn Malthouse would use Robbo on Fletcher, that's Ratts' tactic.
Fletcher is past it now, give him too much credit and you shoot yourself in the foot with the likes of Hurley, Carlisle, Goddard and Hooker. Fletcher is basically a stay at home defender these days, a good one I admit, but he is no longer the go to man in the same way Judd is no longer Judd!
Doesnt mean he wont provide headaches this time around with his run out of defence. His influence wasnt as effective in the last fee years against us, but i suspect that was because he would generally play on one of our best defensive forwards ie Betts.
Jobe has a few additives in his tank
;D
I'd love to know how Heppell and Fletcher get to run around on their own.
Bell did well on him the season prior to last, has also apparently improved his tank this year.
I have seen no evidence of the latter to date what so ever
Bell did well on him the season prior to last, has also apparently improved his tank this year.
I have seen no evidence of the latter to date what so ever
This time last year he was only capable of playing a quarter or so. Despite his skill and decision making deficiency, he thus far appears to be able to keep running.
I think Ryder was injured so Warnock and whoever(Wood perhaps) might have it easier.....
If Wood goes on the list this week whoever goes LTI is out for at least 8 weeks.
Nobody has been upgraded to Nick Duigan's spot as far as I know.
Watson may come back along with walker and id like to see Woods play at the expence of Rowe.
Hope not - Watson is a liability in defence.
He can only play on the slowest tall forward and is so lacking in pace that he cannot switch opponents or run to fill a space - both essential requirements for defenders these days.
Against Power he was even too slow to play loose man in defence because he couldn't get anywhere quickly enough to be useful and, when he had an opponent who lead him up the ground, he was too slow or lacking in intensity to get back again.
At least Rowe and White play and compete with intensity above their heads and below the knees, are able to stay in contact with an opponent who is doing more than standing still and are capable of playing elsewhere on the field.
I would like to see us teach Rowe to be a solid defender. He shows he might come good eventually. If Watson can mark, lets teach him to be a big forward target maybe.
I would like to see us teach Rowe to be a solid defender. He shows he might come good eventually. If Watson can mark, lets teach him to be a big forward target maybe.
Fair points Mants.....I dont like panic dropping of players after one game and I tend to agree that Rowe needs another chance, no doubt he was ordinary and lost one on one contests, lacked awareness but you could also argue he never gets a decent run of games to learn from those mistakes and get the pace of the game. He always looks half a yard off the pace and like he is playing SANFL footy instead of AFL....because of his age he is seen as a readymade but he isnt a AFL readymade like he came from another AFL cub and already had some idea of the speed and awareness required at senior AFL level.
I was critical and had him in my worst players but then you sit back with a cooler head and look at the options and there are not many....rehash an undersized McInnes ,hope Watson is over his injury but he was worse than Rowe vs Westhoff from Port, or throw a kid like Giles into the deep end.
Maybe Rowe does get another go and you have Giles on the bench as a learning experience/backup if required player but dont put it on the kid to play a full game just to give him a taste for the future.
I'd rather risk Giles ahead of Rowe. Mick loves Rowe though!
Bombers by 70+. sigh
Watson is not slower than Rowe.
Watson's decision making when he doesn't have the ball makes him look slow. He has surprisingly good closing speed when he commits. He is OK with the ball, and he gets a little better without the ball every passing game.
At this stage it's a moot point IMO whether we select Rowe or Watson, but since they're two of the few we have in the cupboard we have to try and develop them by giving them senior game time. Neither of them are fully up to AFL pace yet - both can get caught with ball in indecisive reveries. To me this is their biggest drawback - in both cases. If that could be removed from their respective games they could be useful contributors in our defence, at least until the real thing comes along. In fact, as an earlier post suggests, I'd be very tempted to give Watson a run up forward.
I'd be looking to play Watson well outside our F50 to try and capitalise on his long kicking and also have someone crumbing from him. This could open up our F50 and drag opposition defenders out. Worth looking at.
Ive changed my view on Watson over last few months. I think he'll be a good player.
Ive changed my view on Watson over last few months. I think he'll be a good player.
Probably even better if he went somewhere he gets coached!
Ive changed my view on Watson over last few months. I think he'll be a good player.
I thought that too until he played a shocker vs Port....his lack of body on body work for a bloke his size is terrible, his U18 rebounding ability hid his lack of defensive ability
and its back to basics to get him up to speed and that could be a couple of years away..
Brother Elwood, there are some thing you can't teach and if Watson hasn't learned or developed the skills you mention I very much doubt that he will. As the old saying goes... you've either got it or you haven't.
I don't want him used before his time but from the reports I've read Giles showed more defensive aptitude in his first senior hit out last week than many of his senior teammates ever have. That is a very troubling issue.
Brother Elwood, there are some thing you can't teach and if Watson hasn't learned or developed the skills you mention I very much doubt that he will. As the old saying goes... you've either got it or you haven't.
I don't want him used before his time but from the reports I've read Giles showed more defensive aptitude in his first senior hit out last week than many of his senior teammates ever have. That is a very troubling issue.
Not troubling, just play Giles instead ;)
Watson is not slower than Rowe.
Watson's decision making when he doesn't have the ball makes him look slow. He has surprisingly good closing speed when he commits. He is OK with the ball, and he gets a little better without the ball every passing game.
Watson IS slower than Rowe and possibly everyone else on the team - including Brock.Watson's decision making when he doesn't have the ball makes him look slow.
He always looks slower than his opponent - even when he is a loose man. He has surprisingly good closing speed when he commits.
When has anyone seen him commit? That's another reason why I prefer just about anyone else.
Ive changed my view on Watson over last few months. I think he'll be a good player.
Probably even better if he went somewhere he gets coached!
Like Laidler huh?
Ive changed my view on Watson over last few months. I think he'll be a good player.
Jobe?
He has surprisingly good closing speed when he commits. When has anyone seen him commit? That's another reason why I prefer just about anyone else.
This view was born after he closed down about 3 metres on Nick Reiwolt the other year but it was a floater kick and Nick had just tweaked his quad or hammy so he was lame. Outside this instance, I can't really recall him closing in on anyone... I'm sure a YouTube video exists if it's happened.
Ive changed my view on Watson over last few months. I think he'll be a good player.
Everyone is raving about Ambrose from the Scum who is a year older the Watson. FMD Watto is only 21 and a KD. Give the kid a break.
Was at dinner with 5 Carlton supporters tonight.
I got the shock of my life when all of them reckon we'll win.
I reckon we're a chance, but I wasn't expecting such optimism, particularly since some of these guys are the most pessimistic supporters I've ever met.
Whats the vibe in Melb?, Perthites seem to reckon we have it
Was at dinner with 5 Carlton supporters tonight.
I got the shock of my life when all of them reckon we'll win.
I reckon we're a chance, but I wasn't expecting such optimism, particularly since some of these guys are the most pessimistic supporters I've ever met.
Whats the vibe in Melb?, Perthites seem to reckon we have it
I had a private chuckle to myself over the weekend. I thought that there is so much pessimism on here this week, we'll probably win against the scum all will be forgotten. Let's see hey!
LMAO fk me you guys remind me of me in my clubbing days of the late 90s. Come Sunday and Monday I'd be saying no way I'm going out next week but sure enough by Wednesday I'd think I'm half a chance and come Friday I'd be well and truly up for it.
To think we're any chance against the scum is just being ignorant of the situation we're in. You're blinded by your love for the club and motivated by hope......or maybe you just haven't had time to tune in and watch the scum play. For what reasons to the Perthites think we'll win CIMM other than blind faith? I'd be interested in knowing. Did they also tip us to beat Richmond? Wouldn't be surprised.
Was at dinner with 5 Carlton supporters tonight.
I got the shock of my life when all of them reckon we'll win.
I reckon we're a chance, but I wasn't expecting such optimism, particularly since some of these guys are the most pessimistic supporters I've ever met.
Whats the vibe in Melb?, Perthites seem to reckon we have it
I had a private chuckle to myself over the weekend. I thought that there is so much pessimism on here this week, we'll probably win against the scum all will be forgotten. Let's see hey!
All pigs fully fuelled and ready for take off eh JK? :D You can whack me first if we do win mate.
This view was born after he closed down about 3 metres on Nick Reiwolt the other year but it was a floater kick and Nick had just tweaked his quad or hammy so he was lame. Outside this instance, I can't really recall him closing in on anyone... I'm sure a YouTube video exists if it's happened.
No my view came from watching him play VFL.
What is more for a while RiverRat had the same view and posted as much on the old forum, I remember this explicitly as RiverRat was one of two that agreed with me.
But this is the nature of watching a player like Watson, opinions of them flip as often as their form does, all aboard the roller-coaster!
IMHO, the fact these kids are still roller-coasters is a coaching issue not a player issue.
This view was born after he closed down about 3 metres on Nick Reiwolt the other year but it was a floater kick and Nick had just tweaked his quad or hammy so he was lame. Outside this instance, I can't really recall him closing in on anyone... I'm sure a YouTube video exists if it's happened.
No my view came from watching him play VFL.
What is more for a while RiverRat had the same view and posted as much on the old forum, I remember this explicitly as RiverRat was one of two that agreed with me.
But this is the nature of watching a player like Watson, opinions of them flip as often as their form does, all aboard the roller-coaster!
IMHO, the fact these kids are still roller-coasters is a coaching issue not a player issue.
This is where I believe the club leadership and football department over the past 5 to 10 years are at fault and we wont get anywhere till we fix it.
There is no reason why Jordan Russell's AFL career should be over at his size, weight and his ability when on particularly when you find out he is only 27 years of age this year.
It was what happened when he switched off that killed him. Now, whether it be the entire coaching panel of not, but Pagan had him from teenager to age 21 and Ratten was the senior coach from then onwards. Was the damage done when Pagan was in charge?
Was it a lack of mentoring?
The sheer fact that he played in a side that lost too many matches in his formative years which left him mentally fragile on the footy field?
His 2010 form suggests otherwise, but when it all boils down to it, injuries struck him down by the end, but confidence in himself was probably the killer of his career. Whatever it was that hurt him, it wasnt a lack of effort. The bloke if nothing else was an honest trier who would try twice as hard to fix up one mistake, but often that error was so bad it was unfixable.
A bad coach should at least be able to build self esteem in a playing group, whilst a good coach should be able to get output well above a players ability.
Where it gets tricky assessing any one coach, is that no matter who is the coach, there is always one or two players that just wont march to the beat of the drum being beaten, and often its different players that are the problem when that happens.
There is no reason why Jordan Russell's AFL career should be over at his size, weight and his ability when on particularly when you find out he is only 27 years of age this year.
It was what happened when he switched off that killed him. Now, whether it be the entire coaching panel of not, but Pagan had him from teenager to age 21 and Ratten was the senior coach from then onwards. Was the damage done when Pagan was in charge?
It's alleged JR had problems that we should not speculate about, and it is a fact of AFL life that coaches can make or break careers. How many has Malthouse potentially ended, should we ask Heath Scotland?
If JR's problems had been coach related, why didn't he become a success when he moved like Scotland!
If JR's problems had been coach related, why didn't he become a success when he moved like Scotland!
Spot on. It's unfortunate with JR but even I can now see whilst there was no doubting his talent, unfortunately there were other issues that he could not overcome.
Ive changed my view on Watson over last few months. I think he'll be a good player.
I thought that too until he played a shocker vs Port....his lack of body on body work for a bloke his size is terrible, his U18 rebounding ability hid his lack of defensive ability
and its back to basics to get him up to speed and that could be a couple of years away..
Spot on EB.....exactly my thoughts. I went to the Port game thinking Watson had improved immeasurebly, left that game thinking the opposite. He was putrid.
Spot on EB.....exactly my thoughts. I went to the Port game thinking Watson had improved immeasurebly, left that game thinking the opposite. He was putrid.
My concern here is that this says more about the change in fitness staff and less about the player, I don't recall Watson being easily disposed of in one on one contests in previous seasons. But there may be an explanation.
For the Port game we now know the kid played on after injuring his leg. I had posted a rumor that Watson, Hendo and Kreuzer might not play Rnd 2 based on their injuries and that is exactly what happened in two out of three cases. That is enough evidence for me to cut Watson some slack.
Spot on EB.....exactly my thoughts. I went to the Port game thinking Watson had improved immeasurebly, left that game thinking the opposite. He was putrid.
My concern here is that this says more about the change in fitness staff and less about the player, I don't recall Watson being easily disposed of in one on one contests in previous seasons. But there may be an explanation.
If you don't recall those occasions I suggest you get tested for early-onset Alzheimer's . ;D
Spot on EB.....exactly my thoughts. I went to the Port game thinking Watson had improved immeasurebly, left that game thinking the opposite. He was putrid.
My concern here is that this says more about the change in fitness staff and less about the player, I don't recall Watson being easily disposed of in one on one contests in previous seasons. But there may be an explanation.
If you don't recall those occasions I suggest you get tested for early-onset Alzheimer's . ;D
Pretty sure Cloke left him for dead a while back.
Now, on different matters, the game against the Bombers this week. I believe we will get the win.
Essendon have been good thus far. Very good. Too good. They are not that good. They have unearthed these kids that are playing footy first up and putting in match winning performances. Not a good look for the competition given they are surrounded by blokes that shouldnt be playing and with crowd numbers the way they are, the AFL would be desperate for the Blues to get their season underway. I think we will get an armchair ride from the umps this week and are going to be a lot better than everyone thinks we will be. We are in our 150th year, and ten years ago, the AFL gave us the biggest sanctions in history. We sit here struggling and flailing rudderless 10 years later, and celebrating a milestone with the only thing we have to celebrate? 2 finals victories.
I have a feeling that the AFL will be desperate for us to win this week. Ryder going down hurt, leaving them with Daniher and no one else as support ruck, a host of players getting their first few matches of AFL football, and although they gave a good effort against the Hawks, by the end of the game, I thought I saw a few of the Bombers players starting to look a bit tired and worn down.
I had this down as a loss last week, but they just came up against a team that prides itself on contesting and they beat each other up a bit.
Its going to be a close one, and I cannot guarantee the result, but we need this win so much more than the Bombers do right now. They just need to continue being "Brave".
Spot on EB.....exactly my thoughts. I went to the Port game thinking Watson had improved immeasurebly, left that game thinking the opposite. He was putrid.
My concern here is that this says more about the change in fitness staff and less about the player, I don't recall Watson being easily disposed of in one on one contests in previous seasons. But there may be an explanation.
If you don't recall those occasions I suggest you get tested for early-onset Alzheimer's . ;D
Pretty sure Cloke left him for dead a while back.
Now, on different matters, the game against the Bombers this week. I believe we will get the win.
Essendon have been good thus far. Very good. Too good. They are not that good. They have unearthed these kids that are playing footy first up and putting in match winning performances. Not a good look for the competition given they are surrounded by blokes that shouldnt be playing and with crowd numbers the way they are, the AFL would be desperate for the Blues to get their season underway. I think we will get an armchair ride from the umps this week and are going to be a lot better than everyone thinks we will be. We are in our 150th year, and ten years ago, the AFL gave us the biggest sanctions in history. We sit here struggling and flailing rudderless 10 years later, and celebrating a milestone with the only thing we have to celebrate? 2 finals victories.
I have a feeling that the AFL will be desperate for us to win this week. Ryder going down hurt, leaving them with Daniher and no one else as support ruck, a host of players getting their first few matches of AFL football, and although they gave a good effort against the Hawks, by the end of the game, I thought I saw a few of the Bombers players starting to look a bit tired and worn down.
I had this down as a loss last week, but they just came up against a team that prides itself on contesting and they beat each other up a bit.
Its going to be a close one, and I cannot guarantee the result, but we need this win so much more than the Bombers do right now. They just need to continue being "Brave".
You say they have no ruckman. We have not had one since Sauce jacobs left :P
Bombers by 70+
Well I guess back to back 0-3 starts are common.
@Thry
You raise an interesting point that the AFL would like the us to win - there's always a first for everything I suppose! I do think though that the AFL, whilst trying to move on from the Bummer cheating scandal, would not be too keen on them being too successful too soon! That could have a significant negative impact on gate takings as far as non-Bummer fans are concerned.
Ive changed my view on Watson over last few months. I think he'll be a good player.
I thought that too until he played a shocker vs Port....his lack of body on body work for a bloke his size is terrible, his U18 rebounding ability hid his lack of defensive ability
and its back to basics to get him up to speed and that could be a couple of years away..
Spot on EB.....exactly my thoughts. I went to the Port game thinking Watson had improved immeasurebly, left that game thinking the opposite. He was putrid.
Probably the only bad game though he's played and seems like he might've had an injury. They're all putrid at some stage of their careers.
If you thought he had imrproved, and i'm sure you wouldn't have been imagining it, then you can't just suddenly write him off after one game.
Watson is not slower than Rowe.
Watson's decision making when he doesn't have the ball makes him look slow. He has surprisingly good closing speed when he commits. He is OK with the ball, and he gets a little better without the ball every passing game.
Watson IS slower than Rowe and possibly everyone else on the team - including Brock.
Watson's decision making when he doesn't have the ball makes him look slow. He always looks slower than his opponent - even when he is a loose man.
He has surprisingly good closing speed when he commits. When has anyone seen him commit? That's another reason why I prefer just about anyone else.
Actually just seen one bad game from him in his time in the seniors and that was last game. Given he didn't play last week there may have been a reason too. VFL games don't concern me. All that matters is how he performs in the seniors and he seems alot more committed there
Ive changed my view on Watson over last few months. I think he'll be a good player.
I thought that too until he played a shocker vs Port....his lack of body on body work for a bloke his size is terrible, his U18 rebounding ability hid his lack of defensive ability
and its back to basics to get him up to speed and that could be a couple of years away..
Spot on EB.....exactly my thoughts. I went to the Port game thinking Watson had improved immeasurebly, left that game thinking the opposite. He was putrid.
Probably the only bad game though he's played and seems like he might've had an injury. They're all putrid at some stage of their careers.
If you thought he had imrproved, and i'm sure you wouldn't have been imagining it, then you can't just suddenly write him off after one game.
He was bad Jim...that was the old Watson when he first arrived, slow, lacking any defensive plan on his opponents(maybe the coaches fault) and his lack of ability to lay body on Westhoff in particular was U18 kids football stuff.. He arrived late to contests and applied no pressure, when your man is 199cm you need to be pushing/shoving and using your body to upset him.
I would have dragged Watson and told to him to stop playing like a wimpy big girl and get physical.....
Pretty sure Cloke left him for dead a while back.
Is there anyone who isn't monstered by Cloke one on one?
Being on the end of some Cloke brutality is the norm, I am not sure that is a good comparison or fair on Watson. Cloke made Ted Richards look like a piss weak beginner in the goal square at the weekend. ;)
I have a feeling that the AFL will be desperate for us to win this week. Ryder going down hurt, leaving them with Daniher and no one else as support ruck, a host of players getting their first few matches of AFL football, and although they gave a good effort against the Hawks, by the end of the game, I thought I saw a few of the Bombers players starting to look a bit tired and worn down.
Actually Daniher 2nd rucked against us in the last game last season and did OK, no taps but his run, recovery, marking and 2nd efforts made Warnock and Casboult look ineffective. I wouldn't buy into the lack of rucks, Carlilse also looked not too bad. The problem for them may be that they sacrifice a forward setup to compete in the ruck. The still have Hurley who has played both games back, and that new kid Ambrose who looks the goods as well.
Perhaps they will just let us win the ruck and tap it straight to Watson! :-[
Be prepared for war this week or don't bother turning up.
That mob are hurting bad from getting rubbed out of finals and they blame us as the recipient of that. They will go out of their way to pound us this week and anybody who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves IMO. Add in the fuel Judd chucked on the fire last week...be prepared for us to be seriously physically worked over circa. 2012 - because they know they own us, because they can and because they see it as an opportunity to make a statement.
I'd be seriously looking at playing Levi this week, at least he has some c in him.
Ive changed my view on Watson over last few months. I think he'll be a good player.
I thought that too until he played a shocker vs Port....his lack of body on body work for a bloke his size is terrible, his U18 rebounding ability hid his lack of defensive ability
and its back to basics to get him up to speed and that could be a couple of years away..
Spot on EB.....exactly my thoughts. I went to the Port game thinking Watson had improved immeasurebly, left that game thinking the opposite. He was putrid.
Probably the only bad game though he's played and seems like he might've had an injury. They're all putrid at some stage of their careers.
If you thought he had imrproved, and i'm sure you wouldn't have been imagining it, then you can't just suddenly write him off after one game.
He was bad Jim...that was the old Watson when he first arrived, slow, lacking any defensive plan on his opponents(maybe the coaches fault) and his lack of ability to lay body on Westhoff in particular was U18 kids football stuff.. He arrived late to contests and applied no pressure, when your man is 199cm you need to be pushing/shoving and using your body to upset him.
I would have dragged Watson and told to him to stop playing like a wimpy big girl and get physical.....
He played crap like many others. Hasn't played many bad ones in the seniors. Not sure Westhoff was the right match up either.
Be prepared for war this week or don't bother turning up.
That mob are hurting bad from getting rubbed out of finals and they blame us as the recipient of that. They will go out of their way to pound us this week and anybody who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves IMO. Add in the fuel Judd chucked on the fire last week...be prepared for us to be seriously physically worked over circa. 2012 - because they know they own us, because they can and because they see it as an opportunity to make a statement.
I'd be seriously looking at playing Levi this week, at least he has some c in him.
1AW returns, hopefully up forward so when Carlilse gets a run in the ruck 1AW can stand on his head again!
Be prepared for war this week or don't bother turning up.
That mob are hurting bad from getting rubbed out of finals and they blame us as the recipient of that. They will go out of their way to pound us this week and anybody who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves IMO. Add in the fuel Judd chucked on the fire last week...be prepared for us to be seriously physically worked over circa. 2012 - because they know they own us, because they can and because they see it as an opportunity to make a statement.
I'd be seriously looking at playing Levi this week, at least he has some c in him.
Fark them, fark what they want and fark whatever they think about Judd's comments.
Be prepared for war this week or don't bother turning up.
That mob are hurting bad from getting rubbed out of finals and they blame us as the recipient of that. They will go out of their way to pound us this week and anybody who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves IMO. Add in the fuel Judd chucked on the fire last week...be prepared for us to be seriously physically worked over circa. 2012 - because they know they own us, because they can and because they see it as an opportunity to make a statement.
I'd be seriously looking at playing Levi this week, at least he has some c in him.
Fark them, fark what they want and fark whatever they think about Judd's comments.
Yep, we need to go out there and set the agenda, not them. Make sure we are focused for 4Qs and the game is played on our terms.
The Professor just got me fired up... let me at 'em!
according to BF, robbo hurt his knee at training
Be prepared for war this week or don't bother turning up.
We'll be prepared for half a battle. Maybe five eighths of one if we're fired up.
according to BF, robbo hurt his knee at training
Fingers Crossed...
according to BF, robbo hurt his knee at training
Fingers Crossed...
LMAO
according to BF, robbo hurt his knee at training
Now thAt could be anything from a graze to a full reco. Which is it?
We need Robbo vs thugs like the Bombers.......
We need Robbo vs thugs like the Bombers.......
I don't think the bombers are full of thugs.
They have 1 in Hocking.
The rest have parted ways.
We need Robbo vs thugs like the Bombers.......
I don't think the bombers are full of thugs.
They have 1 in Hocking.
The rest have parted ways.
Hurley "The Cabbie Basher"
"Heart Punch" Hibberd
"Elbows" Ryder
"Sniper" Carlilse
"The Trip" Fletcher
We need Robbo vs thugs like the Bombers.......
I don't think the bombers are full of thugs.
They have 1 in Hocking.
The rest have parted ways.
Bombers tried it on with Hawthorn last week but the Hawks were up for the fight.....I have no doubt they will attempt to rough us up.
We need Robbo vs thugs like the Bombers.......
Brock and Bell add extra grunt as well.
Coped a bit of a media hiding, maybe we'll show something in response?
We need Robbo vs thugs like the Bombers.......
Brock and Bell add extra grunt as well.
Bell OK, fair enough.
Will Robbo be expected to do anything aside from beat up a few Bummers e.g. dispose of the hard won ball to OUR players?
Did Brock's last effort warrant his selection this week?
Did Brock's last effort warrant his selection this week?
He's a seasoned campaigner and knows more than most about fighting back to gain redemption, so I say yes.
Did Brock's last effort warrant his selection this week?
He's a seasoned campaigner and knows more than most about fighting back to gain redemption, so I say yes.
His past 2 games have been at about the level of how he played when he first arrived.
If he is not fit, pick Cachia. If he is fit, he ought to be close to a VFL game if he doesn't play a hell of a lot better.
This view was born after he closed down about 3 metres on Nick Reiwolt the other year but it was a floater kick and Nick had just tweaked his quad or hammy so he was lame. Outside this instance, I can't really recall him closing in on anyone... I'm sure a YouTube video exists if it's happened.
No my view came from watching him play VFL.
What is more for a while RiverRat had the same view and posted as much on the old forum, I remember this explicitly as RiverRat was one of two that agreed with me.
But this is the nature of watching a player like Watson, opinions of them flip as often as their form does, all aboard the roller-coaster!
IMHO, the fact these kids are still roller-coasters is a coaching issue not a player issue.
I have seen lots of Watson in the VFL and I can count his good quarters on one hand. The marginally better strike rate at AFL level is due to the fact that he has played infrequently and usually only when there is an incredibly slow opponent to match him up on.
He was, is and will always be too slow. The last time we had a CHB that slow it was Lance Whitnall. Big Red had a fast brain and excellent anticipation and he was still too slow for the AFL in his later seasons.
Did Brock's last effort warrant his selection this week?
He's a seasoned campaigner and knows more than most about fighting back to gain redemption, so I say yes.
His past 2 games have been at about the level of how he played when he first arrived.
If he is not fit, pick Cachia. If he is fit, he ought to be close to a VFL game if he doesn't play a hell of a lot better.
Why is Cachia ahead of him?
Did Brock's last effort warrant his selection this week?
He's a seasoned campaigner and knows more than most about fighting back to gain redemption, so I say yes.
His past 2 games have been at about the level of how he played when he first arrived.
If he is not fit, pick Cachia. If he is fit, he ought to be close to a VFL game if he doesn't play a hell of a lot better.
Why is Cachia ahead of him?
Graham and Cripps are ahead of both of them!
Did Brock's last effort warrant his selection this week?
He's a seasoned campaigner and knows more than most about fighting back to gain redemption, so I say yes.
His past 2 games have been at about the level of how he played when he first arrived.
If he is not fit, pick Cachia. If he is fit, he ought to be close to a VFL game if he doesn't play a hell of a lot better.
Why is Cachia ahead of him?
Graham and Cripps are ahead of both of them!
Please explain and if so the plot does thicken!
After the Richmond game, we were walking to the tram stop and right next to us was Casboult and his girlfriend leaving the ground with the rest of us plebs. We said g'day and I said to him "I bet you would have sunk those sitters if you were on the ground"! He gave a wry grin and said "I'd like to think so". Couldn't believe he was just out there with the crowd - not in a suit sitting with the rest of the non-playing team members.
Apparently Kruezer is Fit and in line for selection this week...
Apparently Kruezer is Fit and in line for selection this week...
Kruezer needs to get through Thursday session first!!!
Apparently Kruezer is Fit and in line for selection this week...
Kruezer needs to get through Thursday session first!!!
I'm not sure that's such a good thing anyway. The bloke is a witches hat out there ATM. I can just see the scum exploiting the shight out of him.
Apparently Kruezer is Fit and in line for selection this week...
Kruezer needs to get through Thursday session first!!!
I'm not sure that's such a good thing anyway. The bloke is a witches hat out there ATM. I can just see the scum exploiting the shight out of him.
Yep.
Not convinced he'll be right. Getting a bit pissed off with watching him play, getting disappointed with his game and then finding out he's injured, having his knee drained or his hip is buggered and he probably shouldn't have played.
FMD even Mants has dropped him
Just get him fit!!!!
Not only is his fitness suspect he carries no good form from any game he's contested in this year.
Needs a game or two in the NBs to properly test his foot and get some confidence.
Did Brock's last effort warrant his selection this week?
He's a seasoned campaigner and knows more than most about fighting back to gain redemption, so I say yes.
His past 2 games have been at about the level of how he played when he first arrived.
If he is not fit, pick Cachia. If he is fit, he ought to be close to a VFL game if he doesn't play a hell of a lot better.
Why is Cachia ahead of him?
Graham and Cripps are ahead of both of them!
Cachia is the obvious replacement for Brock as he has the in-and-under strength required. Cripps is too young and needs many more games before being seriously considered for a regular senior berth in the 'heat'. Cachia can handle heat. Graham is more an outside mid... good replacement for someone like Lucas.
Did Brock's last effort warrant his selection this week?
He's a seasoned campaigner and knows more than most about fighting back to gain redemption, so I say yes.
His past 2 games have been at about the level of how he played when he first arrived.
If he is not fit, pick Cachia. If he is fit, he ought to be close to a VFL game if he doesn't play a hell of a lot better.
Why is Cachia ahead of him?
Graham and Cripps are ahead of both of them!
Cachia is the obvious replacement for Brock as he has the in-and-under strength required. Cripps is too young and needs many more games before being seriously considered for a regular senior berth in the 'heat'. Cachia can handle heat. Graham is more an outside mid... good replacement for someone like Lucas.
Cachia is more seasoned and battle ready.....you wonder though with Robbo, Bell, Curnow and then adding Cachia wether we have to many "like" players.
If Cripps plays I would prefer he started as the sub and to be honest I wouldnt mind him running out with Juddy in his first game for the expert guidance he would receive allbeit that might be a month away....
Graham deserves a run as he has been very good preseason.....
Did Brock's last effort warrant his selection this week?
He's a seasoned campaigner and knows more than most about fighting back to gain redemption, so I say yes.
His past 2 games have been at about the level of how he played when he first arrived.
If he is not fit, pick Cachia. If he is fit, he ought to be close to a VFL game if he doesn't play a hell of a lot better.
Why is Cachia ahead of him?
Graham and Cripps are ahead of both of them!
Cachia is the obvious replacement for Brock as he has the in-and-under strength required. Cripps is too young and needs many more games before being seriously considered for a regular senior berth in the 'heat'. Cachia can handle heat. Graham is more an outside mid... good replacement for someone like Lucas.
Cachia is more seasoned and battle ready.....you wonder though with Robbo, Bell, Curnow and then adding Cachia wether we have to many "like" players.
If Cripps plays I would prefer he started as the sub and to be honest I wouldnt mind him running out with Juddy in his first game for the expert guidance he would receive allbeit that might be a month away....
Graham deserves a run as he has been very good preseason.....
When I made those comments, EB1, I was figuring that either Robbo or Dinger (or perhaps even both) might find themselves kicking off the dew this weekend.
Although I love Robbos endeavour I am sick and tired of haphazard disposal by foot. And, as I have written previously, Dinger's lack of a footy brain really worries me... everything else going for him, but that brain! I know he is young in the game and maybe he just needs lots more game time to 'get it', for the 'penny to drop'.
Ryder definitely out.
Ryder definitely out.
Finally, some good news ;)
Warnock will now have to step up and give Carlisle and skinny ol Joey D a lesson in Rucking. Don't have confidence in him though.
Good thing is we wont have to content with both Joey D and Carlisle up forward at the same time. if they move the Cabbie Basher up forward to fill the gap, then that leaves them short down back (not that we have many talls to take advantage).
Perfect time for our out of form guys like 2E and Gibbs to put in a big one, and for supposed leaders of the Club in Jamo and Waite to also step up.
We are so clutching at straws here !! lol
Will Wood get a gig? Probably be a good time to let him have a run ???
Warnock will now have to step up and give Carlisle and skinny ol Joey D a lesson in Rucking. Don't have confidence in him though.
Good thing is we wont have to content with both Joey D and Carlisle up forward at the same time. if they move the Cabbie Basher up forward to fill the gap, then that leaves them short down back (not that we have many talls to take advantage).
Perfect time for our out of form guys like 2E and Gibbs to put in a big one, and for supposed leaders of the Club in Jamo and Waite to also step up.
We are so clutching at straws here !! lol
I absolutely have confidence in him.
Ryder definitely out.
Usually bashes up our smaller guys so that's good.
Reckon the club is taking the piss with Special K.
Will Wood get a gig? Probably be a good time to let him have a run ???
No. He is a Rookie listed player. He will only be called up if we have a long-term injury to one of our big men.
Did Brock's last effort warrant his selection this week?
He's a seasoned campaigner and knows more than most about fighting back to gain redemption, so I say yes.
His past 2 games have been at about the level of how he played when he first arrived.
If he is not fit, pick Cachia. If he is fit, he ought to be close to a VFL game if he doesn't play a hell of a lot better.
Why is Cachia ahead of him?
Graham and Cripps are ahead of both of them!
Cachia is the obvious replacement for Brock as he has the in-and-under strength required. Cripps is too young and needs many more games before being seriously considered for a regular senior berth in the 'heat'. Cachia can handle heat. Graham is more an outside mid... good replacement for someone like Lucas.
Cachia is more seasoned and battle ready.....you wonder though with Robbo, Bell, Curnow and then adding Cachia wether we have to many "like" players.
If Cripps plays I would prefer he started as the sub and to be honest I wouldnt mind him running out with Juddy in his first game for the expert guidance he would receive allbeit that might be a month away....
Graham deserves a run as he has been very good preseason.....
When I made those comments, EB1, I was figuring that either Robbo or Dinger (or perhaps even both) might find themselves kicking off the dew this weekend.
Although I love Robbos endeavour I am sick and tired of haphazard disposal by foot. And, as I have written previously, Dinger's lack of a footy brain really worries me... everything else going for him, but that brain! I know he is young in the game and maybe he just needs lots more game time to 'get it', for the 'penny to drop'.
I reckon Garlett will be kicking the dew.
At least Stuey Crameri or Alwyn 'Superstar' Davey arent around this time to have their usual birthdays against us
Cue another spud like Collyer, Melksham or one of the Merretts to step up and celebrate....
Warnock to be banned from any kicking during the game, tap and handballs only.
No Brock
Warnock to be banned from any kicking during the game, tap and handballs only.
All of a sudden his hamstring tightens up inside 50?
Would that qualify as staging?
At least Stuey Crameri or Alwyn 'Superstar' Davey arent around this time to have their usual birthdays against us
Davey would get banned for staging before he made it out of the players race!
No Brock and no Garlett is a good thing taking the first two games into account.
No Brock and no Garlett is a good thing taking the first two games into account.
Yeah I understand what you mean.
Although admittedly I hope they persist with Garlett, when he's on song he's a gun.
No Brock and no Garlett is a good thing taking the first two games into account.
Yeah I understand what you mean.
Although admittedly I hope they persist with Garlett, when he's on song he's a gun.
Jeffrey doesn't like being harassed physically, he switches off big time!
But that is one of the reasons why I think our list of introverts is out of balance, there are few prepared to push back they all prefer to just jog away!
No Brock and no Garlett is a good thing taking the first two games into account.
Yeah I understand what you mean.
Although admittedly I hope they persist with Garlett, when he's on song he's a gun.
Garletts pressure acts are very important to our team.
He creates as much scoring opportunity and adds a lot of speed to a team that seems to be lacking a yard or two. I would be thinking very hard whether or not its worth dropping him. Although Walker has plenty of toe and could play his role.
No Brock
Source?
No official source on that prediction mate, it's just my wish :)
you would think given the negative publicity regarding he not fronting 3Q time huddle, along with his first 2 performances, that it gives the club an opportunity to reinforce team behavioral rules whilst bringing in a fresh face. Hopefully Cripp's if he is ready.
Scum are on top for disposals in the comp whilst we are at the bottom. What does that mean for us? We'll be playing our predictable around the boundary game trying to stifle any Bummer run and they'll be looking to switch it through the corridor whenever possible which is how most sides cut us up. Malthouse needs to earn his dough for once and come up with something different to counter the scum run.
That's right PI2C, we are continually kicking to a contest (usually around the boundary) when we don't have players that can win the ball easily, while other teams are keeping possession and running to create the loose man. *sigh*
Ryder out. Will change my prediction. Bombers by 6 goals
Robbo might not get up apparently.
Im forecasting a win.
Simply because its the sort of thing our footy club would do.
Just when you think you're out, they reel you back in with an inspirational victory against an old foe. Im predicting a less than 5 point margin to the victor and that the Victor will be us and the sole reason being is that no one really expects us to win.
Robbo might not get up apparently.
Will change that prediction again. Bombers by 8 goals
I've been thinking about this for awhile now about how the older players can get involved with the current players.
What about the older players, the legends of the club come into the rooms at the start of a game and either walk around and mingle or just stand a watch.
Just having them there would create an aura, something would have to rub off. :-\
Robbo might not get up apparently.
Will change that prediction again. Bombers by 8 goals
Why? The Bummers will be another one short feeding them the ball! :))
Robbo might not get up apparently.
Will change that prediction again. Bombers by 8 goals
Why? The Bummers will be another one short feeding them the ball! :))
Yep. Blues by 5 points then :P
FTR, we are second in conceding goals from turnovers in the comp behind Adelaide who are setting a world record pace apparently.
Robbo might not get up apparently.
Will change that prediction again. Bombers by 8 goals
Why? The Bummers will be another one short feeding them the ball! :))
Yep. Blues by 5 points then :P
:))
Im forecasting a win.
Simply because its the sort of thing our footy club would do.
Just when you think you're out, they reel you back in with an inspirational victory against an old foe. Im predicting a less than 5 point margin to the victor and that the Victor will be us and the sole reason being is that no one really expects us to win.
I am now picturing Homer Simpson envisaging his win over Drederick Tatum (due to a congenital heart defect striking him down a few seconds into the boxing match).
Im forecasting a win.
Simply because its the sort of thing our footy club would do.
Just when you think you're out, they reel you back in with an inspirational victory against an old foe. Im predicting a less than 5 point margin to the victor and that the Victor will be us and the sole reason being is that no one really expects us to win.
I am now picturing Homer Simpson envisaging his win over Drederick Tatum (due to a congenital heart defect striking him down a few seconds into the boxing match).
:))
Homer stood more of a chance.
:))
Homer stood more of a chance.
I hope this is so wrong!
(http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/h7LjHYsV3GM/hqdefault.jpg)
Did Dank help Drederick too?
(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRKWbJa-UddOPpoGGBgI-1VowKBJi0pv4ihu1T97yxY8HXy8R0vxw)
Im forecasting a win.
Simply because its the sort of thing our footy club would do.
Just when you think you're out, they reel you back in with an inspirational victory against an old foe. Im predicting a less than 5 point margin to the victor and that the Victor will be us and the sole reason being is that no one really expects us to win.
I am now picturing Homer Simpson envisaging his win over Drederick Tatum (due to a congenital heart defect striking him down a few seconds into the boxing match).
:))
Homer stood more of a chance.
Maybe, maybe not.
I can see how it might unfold. The ruck contest is one that would be important for us to get the win. If they go in with Gleeson, Ambrose and all the first gamers playing again, they may very well fall flat as from memory about 3 rounds in a row is what usually undoes most of the "first year" players.
The hawks game last week was very physical, and they might have some hangover (residual effects of Peptides not taken into consideration of this one).
Malthouse led Collingwood sides usually do alright against the Bombers. Likewise, we were in with a chance in both matches we played last season right to the death.
We on the other hand had a pretty soft game against Richmond and we seemed to improve our ability to work our way into the contest and stay in it in round 2. Tidy up the decision making and the execution a bit and we should give more of a show this week. We also should start getting a bit fitter as most of our squad were lacking a bit of a run and looked like they were labouring physically. I expect that aspect of things to start improving week by week. Our second half was very encouraging against the Tiggies. Gibbs can only give us more this week, Walker will be back this week also. Our season thus far reminds me a little of Hawthorns in 2010. Bar the first 2 rounds they really looked flat early on and then only started coming good later when they played against Richmond and won narrowly and then thoroughly spanked us the next week. The unfortunate thing about that season (for us and Hawthorn) was that they didnt fire up until round 8. They made a rather late run into the 8 finishing 7th and then lost in the finals week 1 to Freo over in Perth.
Hate these games against the Scum.
Its like Groundhog Day more often than not when we play them.
We all know how it goes.....
Kicking the ball to contests our players are outnumbered in
Bombing long to and empty forward line or to nobody in particular
Winning the tap, but tapping it straight to the oppositions advantage
Topping off a great passage of play by stuffing up the shot at goal
Not manning up at stoppages allowing for easy goals
Getting ripped apart through the corridor while we re too busy chip chip chipping along the boundary.
Giving away silly free kicks
Tackles being brushed aside like we re a bunch of under 12s.
Not taking advantage of momentum (either by blowing goal scoring chances, or by turning the ball over too often) and paying the price as a result
The only saving grace is that the favourite in games between us and the Scum usually gets rolled, and we re massive underdogs this week!!
Kruez gone for 12-14 according to the Facebook page.
So what? He trained and broke down ever worse?
Hate these games against the Scum.
Its like Groundhog Day more often than not when we play them.
We all know how it goes.....
Kicking the ball to contests our players are outnumbered in
Bombing long to and empty forward line or to nobody in particular
Winning the tap, but tapping it straight to the oppositions advantage
Topping off a great passage of play by stuffing up the shot at goal
Not manning up at stoppages allowing for easy goals
Getting ripped apart through the corridor while we re too busy chip chip chipping along the boundary.
Giving away silly free kicks
Tackles being brushed aside like we re a bunch of under 12s.
Not taking advantage of momentum (either by blowing goal scoring chances, or by turning the ball over too often) and paying the price as a result
The only saving grace is that the favourite in games between us and the Scum usually gets rolled, and we re massive underdogs this week!!
Come on Dom you just described our last two games :P
So what? He trained and broke down ever worse?
Yep pulled up sore after training and will now have surgery. Maybe Wood will get a run after all.
http://m.carltonfc.com.au/news/2014-04-03/kreuzer-injury-update
Kruez gone for 12-14 according to the Facebook page.
Not surprised. Looked proppy the other day. If true, then get the proper surgery done and bring him back gradually.
Kruez gone for 12-14 according to the Facebook page.
I was going to say FMD but I'm happy he's not playing injured
Good luck Kreuz!
Kruez gone for 12-14 according to the Facebook page.
Not surprised. Looked proppy the other day. If true, then get the proper surgery done and bring him back gradually.
Poor management by the medical team.
Oh and call it the season if our clubs says 12-14.
That will pave the way for Wood.
Explains why he looked a shadow of himself in R1.
Let's do the surgery properly and bring him back gradually.
Its an indictment on our medical staff and our footy club that this bloke has taken 3 years to recover from a knee re construction and is now going in for another surgery and a lengthy sideline.
The only positive, is that come free agency for Kreuzer, he will be a bargain to get signed up.
Its an indictment on our medical staff and our footy club that this bloke has taken 3 years to recover from a knee re construction and is now going in for another surgery and a lengthy sideline.
The only positive, is that come free agency for Kreuzer, he will be a bargain to get signed up.
Always thinking Thry, always thinking ;)
So what? He trained and broke down even worse?
Yep pulled up sore after training and will now have surgery. Maybe Wood will get a run after all.
http://m.carltonfc.com.au/news/2014-04-03/kreuzer-injury-update
The mail I got was that he didn't even want to play round 1. We've forced his hand, made him play and then made him also train when he wasn't fit. Reeks of desperation.
Is Fletcher playing? If he is allowed to run around as a loose man dictating play our coaching team had better put the asbestos gloves on and get ready to catch a rocket....
So what? He trained and broke down even worse?
Yep pulled up sore after training and will now have surgery. Maybe Wood will get a run after all.
http://m.carltonfc.com.au/news/2014-04-03/kreuzer-injury-update
The mail I got was that he didn't even want to play round 1. We've forced his hand, made him play and then made him also train when he wasn't fit. Reeks of desperation.
What us desperate.? nnooooo
That will pave the way for Wood.
Explains why he looked a shadow of himself in R1.
Let's do the surgery properly and bring him back gradually.
At least he will have plenty of time in the gym to build up when he gets back.
Carlton will regain Andrew Carrazzo and Andrew Walker for Sunday's clash with Essendon at the MCG.
Both players have been named in the Blues' 25-man squad.
Walker returns after serving a one-match suspension, while Carrazzo is set to play his first match for 2014 after overcoming a calf injury.
Strong inclusions, though you'd have to doubt Carrots' match fitness and he could quite possibly start as sub if he does play.
Essendon vs Carlton
Melbourne Cricket Ground
7:10pm Sunday, April 6
B: D.Buckley S.Rowe M.Jamison
HB: A.Walker Z.Tuohy A.Everitt
C: K.Simpson M.Murphy B.Gibbs
HF: J.Garlett L.Henderson C.Yarran
F: T.Menzel J.Waite M.Robinson
R: R.Warnock D.Thomas E.Curnow
INT (from): T.Bell A.Carrazzo L.Casboult D.Ellard K.Lucas B.McLean S.White
Essendon vs Carlton
Melbourne Cricket Ground
7:10pm Sunday, April 6
B: D.Buckley S.Rowe M.Jamison
HB: A.Walker Z.Tuohy A.Everitt
C: K.Simpson M.Murphy B.Gibbs
HF: J.Garlett L.Henderson C.Yarran
F: T.Menzel J.Waite M.Robinson
R: R.Warnock D.Thomas E.Curnow
INT (from): T.Bell A.Carrazzo L.Casboult D.Ellard K.Lucas B.McLean S.White
If we play Casboult, Rowe and Warnock we may as well not run out on the ground!
Essendon vs Carlton
Melbourne Cricket Ground
7:10pm Sunday, April 6
B: D.Buckley S.Rowe M.Jamison
HB: A.Walker Z.Tuohy A.Everitt
C: K.Simpson M.Murphy B.Gibbs
HF: J.Garlett L.Henderson C.Yarran
F: T.Menzel J.Waite M.Robinson
R: R.Warnock D.Thomas E.Curnow
INT (from): T.Bell A.Carrazzo L.Casboult D.Ellard K.Lucas B.McLean S.White
If we play Casboult, Rowe and Warnock we may as well not run out on the ground!
Agreed. How does Rowe get a game?!
If we play Casboult, Rowe and Warnock we may as well not run out on the ground!
Agreed. How does Rowe get a game?!
Actually, overall he may be the best of that trio!
Essendon vs Carlton
Melbourne Cricket Ground
7:10pm Sunday, April 6
B: D.Buckley S.Rowe M.Jamison
HB: A.Walker Z.Tuohy A.Everitt
C: K.Simpson M.Murphy B.Gibbs
HF: J.Garlett L.Henderson C.Yarran
F: T.Menzel J.Waite M.Robinson
R: R.Warnock D.Thomas E.Curnow
INT (from): T.Bell A.Carrazzo L.Casboult D.Ellard K.Lucas B.McLean S.White
If we play Casboult, Rowe and Warnock we may as well not run out on the ground!
Agreed. How does Rowe get a game?!
surprising! just fkn surprising
If we play Casboult, Rowe and Warnock we may as well not run out on the ground!
Agreed. How does Rowe get a game?!
Actually, overall he may be the best of that trio!
Warnock might not be able to kick but he can ruck. Casboult is unlikely to make it long term but with Kruezer out for three months not sure we have another option. Rowe is a complete hack. End of.
Where is Watson?
His withdrawal last week was reported as a team balance decision, nothing about an injury.
More Carlton spin?
Where is Watson?
His withdrawal last week was reported as a team balance decision, nothing about an injury.
More Carlton spin?
Rowe preferred ATM.
The mail I got was that he didn't even want to play round 1. We've forced his hand, made him play and then made him also train when he wasn't fit. Reeks of desperation.
Do you and LP have the same postman? It's the year 2014, coaches don't force players to play through injury anymore. Stop spreading lies.
I hard from a pretty good source. Whether she's right or wrong I'm certainly not lying saying I heard it. I never said it was 100%. If you can't handle rumour you're going to get pretty frustrated on here. As if you're not frustrated enough already. :))
It's a pretty serious accusation.
If we play Casboult, Rowe and Warnock we may as well not run out on the ground!
Agreed. How does Rowe get a game?!
Actually, overall he may be the best of that trio!
I thought he worked himself in to the game last week, like a lot of others.
Essendon vs Carlton
Melbourne Cricket Ground
7:10pm Sunday, April 6
B: D.Buckley S.Rowe M.Jamison
HB: A.Walker Z.Tuohy A.Everitt
C: K.Simpson M.Murphy B.Gibbs
HF: J.Garlett L.Henderson C.Yarran
F: T.Menzel J.Waite M.Robinson
R: R.Warnock D.Thomas E.Curnow
INT (from): T.Bell A.Carrazzo L.Casboult D.Ellard K.Lucas B.McLean S.White
If we play Casboult, Rowe and Warnock we may as well not run out on the ground!
I got a feelin' we shouldn't run out this Sunday Full Stop! :(
Essendon vs Carlton
Melbourne Cricket Ground
7:10pm Sunday, April 6
B: D.Buckley S.Rowe M.Jamison
HB: A.Walker Z.Tuohy A.Everitt
C: K.Simpson M.Murphy B.Gibbs
HF: J.Garlett L.Henderson C.Yarran
F: T.Menzel J.Waite M.Robinson
R: R.Warnock D.Thomas E.Curnow
INT (from): T.Bell A.Carrazzo L.Casboult D.Ellard K.Lucas B.McLean S.White
FMD Rowe? Gimme an effin break. This Club is stuffed. 10 goal humping coming up.
So what? He trained and broke down even worse?
Yep pulled up sore after training and will now have surgery. Maybe Wood will get a run after all.
http://m.carltonfc.com.au/news/2014-04-03/kreuzer-injury-update
The mail I got was that he didn't even want to play round 1. We've forced his hand, made him play and then made him also train when he wasn't fit. Reeks of desperation.
Sorry P2C but I find that very hard to believe. The Club is forked but not that forked.
Essendon vs Carlton
Melbourne Cricket Ground
7:10pm Sunday, April 6
B: D.Buckley S.Rowe M.Jamison
HB: A.Walker Z.Tuohy A.Everitt
C: K.Simpson M.Murphy B.Gibbs
HF: J.Garlett L.Henderson C.Yarran
F: T.Menzel J.Waite M.Robinson
R: R.Warnock D.Thomas E.Curnow
INT (from): T.Bell A.Carrazzo L.Casboult D.Ellard K.Lucas B.McLean S.White
FMD Rowe? Gimme an effin break. This Club is stuffed. 10 goal humping coming up.
$3.70 + 40 points
Essendon vs Carlton
Melbourne Cricket Ground
7:10pm Sunday, April 6
B: D.Buckley S.Rowe M.Jamison
HB: A.Walker Z.Tuohy A.Everitt
C: K.Simpson M.Murphy B.Gibbs
HF: J.Garlett L.Henderson C.Yarran
F: T.Menzel J.Waite M.Robinson
R: R.Warnock D.Thomas E.Curnow
INT (from): T.Bell A.Carrazzo L.Casboult D.Ellard K.Lucas B.McLean S.White
FMD Rowe? Gimme an effin break. This Club is stuffed. 10 goal humping coming up.
$3.70 + 40 points
Ill have a piece of that.
Anybody else miss Armfield playing?
I like that guy.
The mail I got was that he didn't even want to play round 1. We've forced his hand, made him play and then made him also train when he wasn't fit. Reeks of desperation.
Do you and LP have the same postman? It's the year 2014, coaches don't force players to play through injury anymore. Stop spreading lies.
Your an angry man MBB, you need to relax and understand a rumor isn't a whispered fact!
Essendon vs Carlton
Melbourne Cricket Ground
7:10pm Sunday, April 6
B: D.Buckley S.Rowe M.Jamison
HB: A.Walker Z.Tuohy A.Everitt
C: K.Simpson M.Murphy B.Gibbs
HF: J.Garlett L.Henderson C.Yarran
F: T.Menzel J.Waite M.Robinson
R: R.Warnock D.Thomas E.Curnow
INT (from): T.Bell A.Carrazzo L.Casboult D.Ellard K.Lucas B.McLean S.White
If we play Jamison, Everitt and Henderson back & Walker, Waite and Casboult forward we're half a chance.
Anybody else miss Armfield playing?
I like that guy.
As weak as we are CIMM, who does he replace?
Anybody else miss Armfield playing?
I like that guy.
As weak as we are CIMM, who does he replace?
Not at the NBs either!
PS: Corrected, he is on the latest list I've seen.
Where is Watson?
His withdrawal last week was reported as a team balance decision, nothing about an injury.
More Carlton spin?
His withdrawal last week was reported as an injury.
If we go down by less than 60 points, we will have done well by the look of things. ::)
Rowe is playing because Daniher and Carlisle will be too big for Jamison and Henderson will probably have to take the other tall forward with White to get Ambrose.
Casboult cant play down back and Warnock is for the pine if he isnt rucking.....
His withdrawal last week was reported as an injury.
I posted the rumor before the game injury would keep him out, so I expected him to be injured. Malthouse in a pre-game interview stated Kreuzer was out due to general soreness and Watson was omitted for team balance! Watson is listed at the NBs!
His withdrawal last week was reported as an injury.
I posted the rumor before the game injury would keep him out, so I expected him to be injured. Malthouse in a pre-game interview stated Kreuzer was out due to general soreness and Watson was omitted for team balance! Watson is listed at the NBs!
Rowe contested and lost vs Richmond, Watson vs Port failed to contest.....
Yep, Rowe will play in defence and all he has to do is get his body in the way and punch with intent... I don't care if he has donuts possessions-wise as long as he gives a good contest in the air at every contest... if they good enough to outmark him, well that happens. If he trails the contest every time or ball watches he can pack his bags.
Yep, Rowe will play in defence and all he has to do is get his body in the way and punch with intent... I don't care if he has donuts possessions-wise as long as he gives a good contest in the air at every contest... if they good enough to outmark him, well that happens. If he trails the contest every time or ball watches he can pack his bags.
Right on the money Prof.......its about negating not being a superstar and not worrying too much about winning the ball. Rowe has a chance to do what Watson hasnt and thats cement a spot.
He was off the pace vs Richmond but he did have a go and got some spoils in unlike Watson who couldnt get body on his man, was late to contests ,and had one of his low intensity afternoons.
Mick likes his honest tradies....Maxwell, Toovey......White, Rowe........Watson is going to have to earn a recall.
His withdrawal last week was reported as an injury.
I posted the rumor before the game injury would keep him out, so I expected him to be injured. Malthouse in a pre-game interview stated Kreuzer was out due to general soreness and Watson was omitted for team balance! Watson is listed at the NBs!
I'm only going by what I heard on the radiola and read in the papier. Didn't hear or read anything about team balance.
Rowe is playing because Daniher and Carlisle will be too big for Jamison and Henderson will probably have to take the other tall forward with White to get Ambrose.
Casboult cant play down back and Warnock is for the pine if he isnt rucking.....
Carlisle and Daniher will be rotating in the ruck so only one at a time will be playing forward, which means hopefully Henderson will play a full game up forward.
Rowe has a chance to do what Watson hasnt and thats cement a spot.
He was off the pace vs Richmond but he did have a go and got some spoils in unlike Watson who couldnt get body on his man, was late to contests......
Fair point in regards to the spoils - I'll concede two rippers to him last Thursday night. Hope Hardingham stays in the Essendon team.....there's no more of spud playing in the AFL right now than that bloke - how he remains on their list......
Rowe is playing because Daniher and Carlisle will be too big for Jamison and Henderson will probably have to take the other tall forward with White to get Ambrose.
Casboult cant play down back and Warnock is for the pine if he isnt rucking.....
Carlisle and Daniher will be rotating in the ruck so only one at a time will be playing forward, which means hopefully Henderson will play a full game up forward.
Exactly what I was thinking Navy Maven.....
Hope Waite can replicate what he did against them in round 11 last year, as that was possibly the most dominating game I've ever seen Jarrad play.....
Fair comment EB about Mick liking his blue collar defensive types... was interesting to read that Mick had a go at Stevic last week about a dud free paid against McInnes last year (to Crameri from memory). Kind of about the time McInnes really fell away from being solid to a panic merchant... suggests that Mick thinks McInnes may still figure in his plans if he can recapture some confidence.
Hope Carrazzo doesn't get worked over again and get injured. Hope he picks up on the speed of the game quickly.
Will be good to see him back.
Carazzo hasn't had a hit out, can't see him playing. If he does he'll struggle to run out a half.
At least HE might be able to show some leadership, we'll need it.
Carazzo hasn't had a hit out, can't see him playing. If he does he'll struggle to run out a half.
Green vest?
Rowe has a chance to do what Watson hasnt and thats cement a spot.
He was off the pace vs Richmond but he did have a go and got some spoils in unlike Watson who couldnt get body on his man, was late to contests......
Fair point in regards to the spoils - I'll concede two rippers to him last Thursday night. Hope Hardingham stays in the Essendon team.....there's no more of spud playing in the AFL right now than that bloke - how he remains on their list......
You know you've just ensured Hardingham is BOG this week! ;D
Carazzo hasn't had a hit out, can't see him playing. If he does he'll struggle to run out a half.
Green vest?
Not sure he's a Green Vest player TBH. His career to date has been defined by the quality of his run with roles.
I know MM has stated you dont get match fitness in the 2's but surely Carrots wont be rushed straight back into the 1's. He will be blowing a gale in the first 10 mins.
I have a feeling we'll win this....
We've played some awful football in the last two weeks......but we've also had some patches where we've dominated the games.
The Essendon folk will look at the results and see loss /loss combined with the criticsim.
We'll catch them on the hop and send them home disappointed. ;)
Like I said, you all remind me of my clubbing days....come Monday there's no chance I'm heading out again (no chance we'll win), halfway through the week it's like maybe I could consider it (hey maybe we're a chance to win) and then come Friday nah fk it, I'm going out this weekend (nah fk it we'll win).
Like I said, you all remind me of my clubbing days....come Monday there's no chance I'm heading out again (no chance we'll win), halfway through the week it's like maybe I could consider it (hey maybe we're a chance to win) and then come Friday nah fk it, I'm going out this weekend (nah fk it we'll win).
Gold
Like I said, you all remind me of my clubbing days....come Monday there's no chance I'm heading out again (no chance we'll win), halfway through the week it's like maybe I could consider it (hey maybe we're a chance to win) and then come Friday nah fk it, I'm going out this weekend (nah fk it we'll win).
Gold
:))
Lets hope we can cause a Bomber stall and it's the start of their tail spin for the year!
Our 2 losses to them last year for mine, were easily the hardest take......both games we were in complete & utter control, but games lost in the last quarter, both games should NEVER have been lost. We owe this mob....we owe this mob big time.
Carrazzo a definite 'in' imo, exactly what we need.....
Faark I hate this mob, words cannot describe......
A loss to the scum could result in a rehash of an old favourite thread of mine with a slight change in names! :P
Like I said, you all remind me of my clubbing days....come Monday there's no chance I'm heading out again (no chance we'll win), halfway through the week it's like maybe I could consider it (hey maybe we're a chance to win) and then come Friday nah fk it, I'm going out this weekend (nah fk it we'll win).
Gold
:))
Lets hope we can cause a Bomber stall and it's the start of their tail spin for the year!
Aahh yes, repay the favour for rnd 3 in 2012>:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D
Lucas and Brock omitted.
Apparently mick took exception to Brock not joining the 3qtr huddle.
Carazzo hasn't had a hit out, can't see him playing. If he does he'll struggle to run out a half.
Green vest?
Not sure he's a Green Vest player TBH. His career to date has been defined by the quality of his run with roles.
The year he got cleaned up by that juiced up EFC loser, he was in AA form - as a legitimate A grade offensive midfielder.
Hasn't been the same since that hit.
A loss to the scum could result in a rehash of an old favourite thread of mine with a slight change in names! :P
Wasn't it this mob who sparked the last one? I think that was only a draw as well!
Lucas and Brock omitted.
Apparently mick took exception to Brock not joining the 3qtr huddle.
No problem with dropping him for that.
Helps that he's playing crap footy.
Lucas and Brock omitted.
Apparently mick took exception to Brock not joining the 3qtr huddle.
No problem with dropping him for that.
Helps that he's playing crap footy.
It would be good if Mick has decided he's going to defend our blokes publicly instead of potting them (both Gibbs and Brock were defended on Talking Footy - albeit, if the above is true - he was blatantly lying). Let's hope it's a consistent line through the year.
I was never a big fan of Harvey at Freo but I thought it was admirable how he defended his players in front of the media to the death (apparently different story behind closed doors)
Lucas and Brock omitted.
Apparently mick took exception to Brock not joining the 3qtr huddle.
No problem with dropping him for that.
Helps that he's playing crap footy.
It would be good if Mick has decided he's going to defend our blokes publicly instead of potting them (both Gibbs and Brock were defended on Talking Footy - albeit, if the above is true - he was blatantly lying). Let's hope it's a consistent line through the year.
I was never a big fan of Harvey at Freo but I thought it was admirable how he defended his players in front of the media to the death (apparently different story behind closed doors)
I think the media is pumping it up to be because of not joining the huddle. Wouldn't be surprised if it was just poor form.
I'd think its form. If he had 25-30 possessions in either rounds he wouldn't be missing.
Hard to imagine why Lucas got the chop, he hardly played but he did a couple of OK things, seems like an irrational decision.
Probably to make room for Carrazzo. Just hope Carrazzo isn't the sub that would be dumb decision.
If that rumor about a report to the board is correct, the last thing MM needs this week is a rousing victory. He needs the team to stink it up so fans start lighting the barbecues!
Hard to imagine why Lucas got the chop, he hardly played but he did a couple of OK things, seems like an irrational decision.
Every coach needs their JR?
Lucas and Brock omitted.
Apparently mick took exception to Brock not joining the 3qtr huddle.
No problem with dropping him for that.
Helps that he's playing crap footy.
Brock was invisible IMO, the huddle incident was the least of his sins.
Brock was invisible IMO, the huddle incident was the least of his sins.
Yep, he looks like he isn't fit and also pissed off.
But Brock has a problem now, he has a senior coach and a senior assistant who is in charge of the midfield, both of them have a history of developing sides that lose the midifield and attack off the HB line. Not much good for a midfield specialist.
I am not sure I have ever seen our midfield play such a negative brand of football, it doesn't suit our list. We seem to have more taggers than attackers.
Hard to imagine why Lucas got the chop, he hardly played but he did a couple of OK things, seems like an irrational decision.
I'm with you LP...Lucas went ok when he came on as sub and how does this help the kid improve?...Bombers are a pacy team and I would have figured Lucas would have been
handy again as the sub coming on the last quarter to give us some run...
Hard to imagine why Lucas got the chop, he hardly played but he did a couple of OK things, seems like an irrational decision.
I'm with you LP...Lucas went ok when he came on as sub and how does this help the kid improve?...Bombers are a pacy team and I would have figured Lucas would have been
handy again as the sub coming on the last quarter to give us some run...
Two had to go to make room for Carrazzo and 1AW - just stiff on Lucas I guess. I can't see Lucas getting selected over either of those two, who are much higher in the pecking order atm. If one of them, or someone else, doesn't shape up then Lucas may then get his opportunity later.
I'm with you LP...Lucas went ok when he came on as sub and how does this help the kid improve?...Bombers are a pacy team and I would have figured Lucas would have been
handy again as the sub coming on the last quarter to give us some run...
It's like our MC has Alzheimer's!
Talk on BF that Jobe Watson will miss tomorrow's game
Talk on BF that Jobe Watson will miss tomorrow's game
Significant if true, but it is more likely just something to get our hopes up.
1:2 after 3 brings us back to the pack. One win at this time of the year can totally change the landscape.
I would have given us a very good chance of winning this game especially with Paddy Ryder out of their team. He has been a thorn in our side every time he plays against us.
But then I saw that Rowe was selected again. The selectors must have a death wish.
I hope that Rowe can prove me wrong, but I reckon that on his worst day, Levi Casboult looks like a Brownlow Medalist compared to Rowe, who was totally non-competitive against Richmond, and doesn't have the capacity to take a pack mark or crash a pack like Levi can.
Unfortunately, Rowe isn't up to Senior AFL standard, neither is Watson who is predictable, one dimensional and will have you holding your breath every time the ball goes into our defensive area. Perhaps the genii at Carlton have woken up to this, and that's why they won't select him.
Blues by 23
If that rumor about a report to the board is correct, the last thing MM needs this week is a rousing victory. He needs the team to stink it up so fans start lighting the barbecues!
Yep imagine we come out and win by 5 goals against the flying scum and then they have to justify their comments by saying it was fluke? Just silly comments to make so early in the season, like I said, self serving defence mechanism.
If that rumor about a report to the board is correct, the last thing MM needs this week is a rousing victory. He needs the team to stink it up so fans start lighting the barbecues!
Yep imagine we come out and win by 5 goals against the flying scum and then they have to justify their comments by saying it was fluke? Just silly comments to make so early in the season, like I said, self serving defence mechanism.
That's why I find it hard to believe that what was reported, was actually said.
It's wrong for so many reasons
It sends a defeatist message to the playing group but more importantly it suggests the coach doesn't rate them and can't see a way of making them better.
Apparantly Ambrose is in some doubt with a quad and faces a fitness test today...
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-sweats-on-fitness-test-for-boom-forward-patrick-ambrose-ahead-of-carlton-blockbuster/story-fni5f6kv-1226875662253
ESSENDON could be forced to make another change to its forward line against Carlton with Patrick Ambrose facing a last-minute fitness test.
The boom 194cm youngster was on light duties at training on Saturday after leaving the track early on Thursday with what is believed to be some soreness in his quad muscle.
The Bombers yesterday remained hopeful Ambrose, 22, would take on the Blues at the MCG but will make a final call on his availability after a medical check later today.
How do these bastards continue finding cheap tells that turn into gold?
How do these bastards continue finding cheap tells that turn into gold?
They wanted another strong unit like Crameri ...we would have recruited a half back flanker like Bootsma because he had upside and might grow ...
How do these bastards continue finding cheap tells that turn into gold?
only 191cm, 88kg on the EFC web site?
Hardly a "boom forward' after 2 games.....?
get a grip ladies.
That's why I find it hard to believe that what was reported, was actually said.
It's wrong for so many reasons
It sends a defeatist message to the playing group but more importantly it suggests the coach doesn't rate them and can't see a way of making them better.
I suppose it is one way to tank without actually tanking, destroy the teams confidence, drive and motivation to win! ???
I am worried with what we are doing to Henderson, throwing him back and forward and back again. He cant get consistancy I believe and have never liked the "swingman" title. Good teams have structure and consistancy in their structure.
I am afraid our morons are going to turn him into another Bryce Gibbs by constantly plugging holes and never developing in one position.
I am afraid our morons are going to turn him into another Bryce Gibbs by constantly plugging holes and never developing in one position.
You won't get too many arguments there!
How do these bastards continue finding cheap tells that turn into gold?
only 191cm, 88kg on the EFC web site?
Hardly a "boom forward' after 2 games.....?
get a grip ladies.
Fair enough but he either plays taller than 191 and I heard on Sen yesterday that he is 194 cm.
The bit that's annoying is he runs a 16.3 beep test and has good skills.
We go through draft carnivals and stuff it up, yet these guys pluck Crameri and this guy from their proverbial rectum.
He looked genuinely key tall last week and competed very well against the reigning premiers.
He looked genuinely key tall last week and competed very well against the reigning premiers.
His athleticism actually reminded me of Kouta. Got me a bit worried TBH. :o
If been told to expect a couple of surprise outs from the bombers
I am worried with what we are doing to Henderson, throwing him back and forward and back again. He cant get consistancy I believe and have never liked the "swingman" title. Good teams have structure and consistancy in their structure.
I am afraid our morons are going to turn him into another Bryce Gibbs by constantly plugging holes and never developing in one position.
Matthew Lloyd said the same and I agree...CHB for me and I would leave him there...would be close to AA if it wasnt for Harry Taylor who has a mortgage on that spot....
But the thought has merit....if he needs to play CHB then let's settle him there.
LATE CHANGES
Essendon: Patrick Ambrose out, replaced by Jake Melksham
Carlton: Nil
FINAL INTERCHANGES
Essendon: Jason Ashby, Ben Howlett, Jake Melksham
Substitute: Martin Gleeson
Carlton: Troy Menzel, Mitch Robinson, David Ellard
Substitute: Tom Bell
@EB1
That looks to be where his greatest value to us could be IMO too. We would need to focus on landing a good KPF though.
LATE CHANGES
Essendon: Patrick Ambrose out, replaced by Jake Melksham
Carlton: Nil
FINAL INTERCHANGES
Essendon: Jason Ashby, Ben Howlett, Jake Melksham
Substitute: Martin Gleeson
Carlton: Troy Menzel, Mitch Robinson, David Ellard
Substitute: Tom Bell
Milkshake a good in for them, did well against us last time iirc.