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Re: Round 17 Carlton vs Hawthorn-Post Match

Reply #45 –
Quote from: Dominator_7 on
Reckon some people are getting a touch overemotional and melodramatic.
The Saints were copping floggings every week last year, and people predicted they wouldn't win a game this year.
Now suddenly they re the new black.
A few weeks ago, we were winning a few games, the kids were playing well, and there was a great vibe around the Club and amongst our supporters.
Then we run into a red hot Hawks side at the peak of their powers (probably the best side since the Lions 'threepeat' side) with over 1000 games more experience then us, and then lose Menz before the game even starts to make things worse, and get predicably flogged, and people lose the plot and start saying we have to tear the place down and start again.

Probably the level of flogging is the problem this time...Hawks are good but no team should get beat by 20 -plus goals IMO...

Re: Round 17 Carlton vs Hawthorn-Post Match

Reply #46 –
True, but we re not that bad, just like as you said. Hawks aren't that good.
What's clear to me though, is that its obvious that Jones and Tutt were both MM inspired mistakes, and BB is looking like another Lucas/Watson/Bootsma howler type pick at this stage

Re: Round 17 Carlton vs Hawthorn-Post Match

Reply #47 –
Roughead 5 tackles, Rioli 6 tackles, Sconemaker 3 tackles....Gunston 4 tackles

Henderson donuts, Casboult donuts, Jones donuts, Everitt was the hardest working forward with one tackle....

Kruezer with 4 tackles was our best on the night...newbie Brad Walsh had 3 tackles along with a couple of other players....

We dont work hard enough and dont have the appetite for the modern game plan that includes having forward pressure to create turnovers and opportunities...

 

Re: Round 17 Carlton vs Hawthorn-Post Match

Reply #48 –
That has to be the worst flogging of the CFC that I have ever witnessed in 35 plus years of supporting them. I will just settle back now with a very large scotch and read the rest of this thread.  :(
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: Round 17 Carlton vs Hawthorn-Post Match

Reply #49 –
Quote from: cookie2 on
That has to be the worst flogging of the CFC that I have ever witnessed in 35 plus years of supporting them. I will just settle back now with a very large scotch and read the rest of this thread.  :(

Im having a scotch right now buddy...

Re: Round 17 Carlton vs Hawthorn-Post Match

Reply #50 –
How to remember your 200th game Marc Murphy with a massive game with stats. Trade yourself to a club where you will see some return. You won't ever see anything in the Navy Blue and you have seen so little but pain so far. Brave heart is all I can say for you. You will have battle scars that run so deep for little to no rewards for many years. You were drafted by the wrong club at the wrong time.  Sorry captain.
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Re: Round 17 Carlton vs Hawthorn-Post Match

Reply #51 –
Quote from: Mantis on
How to remember your 200th game Marc Murphy with a massive game with stats. Trade yourself to a club where you will see some return. You won't ever see anything in the Navy Blue and you have seen so little but pain so far. Brave heart is all I can say for you. You will have battle scars that run so deep for little to no rewards for many years. You were drafted by the wrong club at the wrong time.  Sorry captain.

That's a ridiculous statement on so many levels (in bold). He was drafted at exactly the right time, by a club he chose above Brisbane, knowing full well we were rebuilding. The blame falls squarely on our recruiting department and the board who signed off on the spuds we've gifted AFL games to. They're just not good enough. Russell, Watson, Hampson, Bootsma, Lucas, McCarthy, Mitchell, Bower, Armfield, Joseph, Davies, the list goes on... and the players we have drafted that were any good are gone... Jacobs, Kennedy, Betts, Garlett, Grigg, and let's not forget Fev.

Re: Round 17 Carlton vs Hawthorn-Post Match

Reply #52 –
Quote from: Vivian on
If buckly's father was not such a star for us then he would have been delisted. His decision making is not good enough and he has spent 4 years on the list showing little improvement.

Rubbish. Has improved dramatically this year, was BOG last week. Yes he kicked poorly inside 50m last night but who did he have to kick to? He certainly wasn't on his own, except for being prepared to take the game on. Even wanks like Lingy and co can see through their anti-Carlton agenda to say he is one of our shining lights yet you want him delisted. Seriously Viv, with some of the calls you've made thank God you're not in charge. Mick would be still be coach and blokes like Graham and Buckley would be in the twos.

One of the only good stories for the year.
Ignorance is bliss.

ONWARDS AND UPWARDS!

Re: Round 17 Carlton vs Hawthorn-Post Match

Reply #53 –
Quote from: MilkIt on
That's a ridiculous statement on so many levels (in bold). He was drafted at exactly the right time, by a club he chose above Brisbane, knowing full well we were rebuilding. The blame falls squarely on our recruiting department and the board who signed off on the spuds we've gifted AFL games to. They're just not good enough. Russell, Watson, Hampson, Bootsma, Lucas, McCarthy, Mitchell, Bower, Armfield, Joseph, Davies, the list goes on... and the players we have drafted that were any good are gone... Jacobs, Kennedy, Betts, Garlett, Grigg, and let's not forget Fev.

Watch a replay of the 2013 Elim final, take note of who our better players were that day, and see how many are still at the club. Here is a hint....Waite, Betts, Garlett, Robinson and of course Judd. The list had the heart ripped out of it by a delusional overpaid coach that everyone wanted to support, and now we are left with Tutt, Jones, Johnson, White, Rowe, Ellard, Everitt......all Mick's plodders.

Just on Walsh, a little harsh to have a crack but fork me, he got the ball across half back, turned and passed nicely to the wing. I then watched him, he had all this space to sprint into to provide another option, get another kick, he was after all very fresh. He just slowly started to jog up the field at a snail's pace. Compare the to Puopulo who worked his ass off when he came on for 10 touches and 3 goals. Surely if you are a rookie playing sub for the second week in a row you are sprinting up the field trying to provide an option and get that next kick? I mean how bad does he want the thing?

Henderson is just a disgrace, so overrated, has never won us a game in his life. If this guy even hints at holding us to ransom we should show him the door Yarran if the rumours are right we need to support him but if not, another that can fork right off.

Marc Murphy got half his touches behind the ball running loose across half back and chipping sideways. His game was overrated last night.

Really disappointed with Barker, after doing so well early he has tried to tinker with the gameplan to go after against the better sides but his backwards tripe looks stupid, and seems to get the side in trouble over and over again. I mean fancy deliberately conceding so much ground against the best sides in the comp.

In the end, the sky is not falling, Sydney lost to them by 90 points and Freo 60 points and they had a decent gameplan. We are not far off them on this performance! :))

Ignorance is bliss.

ONWARDS AND UPWARDS!

Re: Round 17 Carlton vs Hawthorn-Post Match

Reply #54 –
Quote from: PassIt2Carrots on
Rubbish. Has improved dramatically this year, was BOG last week. Yes he kicked poorly inside 50m last night but who did he have to kick to? He certainly wasn't on his own, except for being prepared to take the game on. One of the only good stories for the year.

And the above shows why we overestimate our players. If buckly is a good news story of the year then we are setting the bar awfully low. Our skills development is so poor it is a major factor in explaining why we got our backsides handed to us. All the caveats in the world dont hide that we stink and most of the players have not been coached well and dismally low standards have prevailed for too long.

Buckly is by no means alone, and plenty had shockers. But the lack of development and progress with many players is deeply worrying, with major flaws simply not being addressed. As i mentioned in the post, we applaud effort and endeavour, and the likes of buckly and simpson have plenty. But their skills are not good enough for league football as it is currently being played by the best and the club, if they were doing their job should have known this for years and either invested accordingly or moved them on, rather than hanging on in hope.

Perhaps its a good thing we play hawthorn again in 6 weeks. We will see how much changes.

Re: Round 17 Carlton vs Hawthorn-Post Match

Reply #55 –
No one is overestimating anyone. You said Buckley had not improved in 4 years. That is utter BS. Just another wrong call.
Ignorance is bliss.

ONWARDS AND UPWARDS!

Re: Round 17 Carlton vs Hawthorn-Post Match

Reply #56 –
Trade Cripps
He won't be part of our next premiership.  :(

Sorry....lame
But that's about how long it's going to take.

The thing about rebuilds is that you usually have a base group to build on.
In our case we have a lot of players who are OK in some respects but fall short to the point that they're never quite going to make it.

For us, a rebuild will be an almost total turnover.
The three years SOS talked about is probably pretty conservative.
For a start we need quality in our key forward and back positions.
The players who are out injured at the moment would make a bit of difference but everyone of them has been criticised for some aspect of their game.

The concerning thing is that we had a few passengers last night but for the most part we still seemed to be trying. We were just totally out-positioned, out-played and just plain outclassed.

Off-field there must come a point where Carlton men of substance say enough is enough and demand review and change through-out all levels of the club.

Re: Round 17 Carlton vs Hawthorn-Post Match

Reply #57 –
We need to find 5-7 players, to replace the likes of Jones, Ellard, Tutt, Rowe, White, Johnson. We desperately need another Carrazzo type workhorse, we missed him big time last night. Yes he turns it over and is a lot slower but he is still our clearance king. Without him we are lost.
Ignorance is bliss.

ONWARDS AND UPWARDS!

Re: Round 17 Carlton vs Hawthorn-Post Match

Reply #58 –
Our base Lods is Murphy, Gibbs, Cripps, Buckley, Menzel, Holman, Yarran (?), Hendo(?), Kreuzer, Graham, Sheehan, Bell, Boekhorst, Jaksch, Casboult, Docherty, Byrne.

That's a good start, 17 players, like I said, we need 5-7 more players. That could be done in 15 months, should we draft well and pick up a couple of good players via FA.

Yes we got pumped last night, but only by 6-7 more goals than Sydney did at home, and we have a lot more injuries, and a piss poor backwards gameplan.
Ignorance is bliss.

ONWARDS AND UPWARDS!

Re: Round 17 Carlton vs Hawthorn-Post Match

Reply #59 –
Our skills stink, our decision making stinks, we don't work hard enough and we panic. Apart from that everything is fine!  ::)
Reality always wins in the end.