Sat 13/5/17 ES 2.10pm
Go your hardest kids.
Looks like they are committed to bringing SoJ back, it's a worry for me given his shoulder history, but ignoring that who goes out?
I suspect Weitering might be overdue for a rest, I know the club thinks he's just starting to get some mojo happening with Casboult but one bloke in that pair is at the start of his career while the other is closer to the end!
I want Weitering developing a mojo with the next generation of players not the past generation, so I see no point in flogging him!
Looks like they are committed to bringing SoJ back, it's a worry for me given his shoulder history, but ignoring that who goes out?
I suspect Weitering might be overdue for a rest, I know the club thinks he's just starting to get some mojo happening with Casboult but one bloke in that pair is at the start of his career while the other is closer to the end!
I want Weitering developing a mojo with the next generation of players not the past generation, so I see no point in flogging him!
Possibly Weitering for Jones?? LJ is almost due for another chance.
All the experts said the Cheating Scum would run our young side off their feet. WRONG, win.
All the experts said we were no chance against Syd posting odds of $4.40. WRONG, win.
All the experts said the Filth would be to strong for us, especially in the midfield, posting odds of $3.75. WRONG, win.
All the experts will say St Kilda will be too fast, too hard, too skilled and more advanced than us. Will they be wrong again?
Putting aside the belting from PA at Feral Oval and the horrible 5 minutes in the 3rd qtr vs GC (we conceded 4 goals then won the last qtr), I think we have been pretty good.
All I am saying is that if St Kilda think this will be a walk in the park? Think again.
Go Blues.
The Saints will no doubt be a very stiff test for us. They play a high pressure brand of footy that will be a challenge for sure but as the old saying goes, if they bleed we can kill 'em. Go Blues, this would be a fabulous one to win IMO.
Very winnable.
They lost to WCE in Perth, just beat the Pies (14 pts), pumped by the Cats (45 odd)....beat Hawks and GWS recently.
We like a bit of sting out of the track, Saints like it more firm, at Etihad we struggled vs the GC pace and I reckon it might be the same vs Stkilda...if it was at the MCG and a soft track I'd say we are a chance but Saints will start warm favourites and they seem to be a bogey team for us of recent years.
I think we will be more competitive than in the past but would love to see Reiwoldt rested and Hickey not playing.....
We like a bit of sting out of the track, Saints like it more firm, at Etihad we struggled vs the GC pace and I reckon it might be the same vs Stkilda...if it was at the MCG and a soft track I'd say we are a chance but Saints will start warm favourites and they seem to be a bogey team for us of recent years.
I think we will be more competitive than in the past but would love to see Reiwoldt rested and Hickey not playing.....
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Oh for the days when we automatically added 4 premiership points for each of the games against the Saints when the fixture first came out ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
Oh for the days when we automatically added 4 premiership points for each of the games against the Saints when the fixture first came out ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
Yes. That was the way the world should work. Not the same now.
We like a bit of sting out of the track, Saints like it more firm, at Etihad we struggled vs the GC pace and I reckon it might be the same vs Stkilda...if it was at the MCG and a soft track I'd say we are a chance but Saints will start warm favourites and they seem to be a bogey team for us of recent years.
I think we will be more competitive than in the past but would love to see Reiwoldt rested and Hickey not playing.....
Be very interested to see whether we have bridged the gap against a team that has belted us several times.
I agree with the fast track being a concern -their speed has killed us over the last few years but one big difference this time is our defence. Its the best its been for a very long time and scoring against us has become a lot harder than usual. How nice is it to not leak goals like we used to.
Since ASOS came in we have conceded just 19 goals in 2 weeks. Just heard Koby Stevens has been outed for 1 week - don't really know much about him but got the ball a bit against GWS so might help a little too.
In: Jack Cunners
Out: Smedts Kerridge
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Carlton Line + 27.5 points at $1.92 seems like good value to me
Carlton Line + 27.5 points at $1.92 seems like good value to me
Think we had a 21.5 point line against the pies that was too juicy to pass up. This one i'm not so sure of.
Saints demolished us in the pre-season.
Oh for the days when we automatically added 4 premiership points for each of the games against the Saints when the fixture first came out ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
Earning the cold showers at Moorabin...
Think we had a 21.5 point line against the pies that was too juicy to pass up. This one i'm not so sure of.
Saints demolished us in the pre-season.
And last year.
Jack is not what we need.
Get some pace in. Cunningham for one.
Can't afford skill errors either. Kerridge out.
Think we had a 21.5 point line against the pies that was too juicy to pass up. This one i'm not so sure of.
Saints demolished us in the pre-season.
Pre Season form accounts for zero IMO when we are at R8. Melbourne pumped us as well in the pre season and they needed till late in the last to get over us.
Still I so agree this week is a big test to see where we are at against a team we have struggled against in recent times.
Pre Season form accounts for zero IMO when we are at R8. Melbourne pumped us as well in the pre season and they needed till late in the last to get over us.
Still I so agree this week is a big test to see where we are at against a team we have struggled against in recent times.
Agree, Shawny. Bolts could barely contain his boredom / contempt in those JLT pressers. Another Roos in terms of how he treats pre season.
saints forward line might not give us the problem it normally does.
Think we had a 21.5 point line against the pies that was too juicy to pass up. This one i'm not so sure of.
Saints demolished us in the pre-season.
Yeah Kruddler - the lines given for the Blues so far this year have been great scored 4/7. Agreed this one is very risky.
GWS v Collingwood in view of Filth bouncing back + Lou Richards @ 29.5 pts looks enticing.
I was reasonably confident against the Swans/Pies but given our past few performances against the saints... put your house on them for this week.
I was reasonably confident against the Swans/Pies but given our past few performances against the saints... put your house on them for this week.
I think you might be right jeza.
We're certainly much improved, but their speed killed us last year.
If we can nullify that (I.e. jack Steven), we'll get close.
Either way it will be a sensational experience for our young side.
Go new Blues
I think you might be right jeza.
We're certainly much improved, but their speed killed us last year.
If we can nullify that (I.e. jack Steven), we'll get close.
Either way it will be a sensational experience for our young side.
Go new Blues
We need to put pressure on the opposition for our game plan to work. When that doesn't happen everything breaks down. As it did last year against the aints and against Port this year. Quick teams really break us down and the hidings get big because we don't have a plan B.
We need to put pressure on the opposition for our game plan to work. When that doesn't happen everything breaks down. As it did last year against the aints and against Port this year. Quick teams really break us down and the hidings get big because we don't have a plan B.
Be interesting to see if/how we can contain their spread and speed that's for sure.
Ed isn't fast enough for Stevens, who kills us in the absence of pressure. I'd play Cunners and instruct him to go with him. Ed to cover Ross, Dunstan, Steele etc.
We've got the defence to cover their talls.
I think you might be right jeza.
We're certainly much improved, but their speed killed us last year.
If we can nullify that (I.e. jack Steven), we'll get close.
Either way it will be a sensational experience for our young side.
Go new Blues
Also the smallish fwds must be contained (as we did with Fagiolo and Elliott (sort of). Gresham couldnt get a kick in the first 2 and bit qtrs, then he got off the chain and slaughtered the GWS defenders.
This'll be one of our toughest assignments so far this year, up there with the Port challenge. Every side we've beaten this year has either been ordinary (cheats.com.au), in bad form (Fluffy Ducks) or coached badly (Rottingwood). The Aints are a good side in very good form who are coached well.
It would seem from the exaggerated tyre pumping of Cuningham's recent games that he'll get the nod this week. Might seem harsh but his lack of hardness & consistency bother me. Yes, some blokes just aren't hard at it so they'd better make up for it with a ruthless consistency/influence on the game... a la Braddles. If Cuningham gets a call up his run will be critical.
There will be some selection challenges as our experience to newbie ratio at the moment seems pretty right. If SOJ and ZF are fit and wanting a recall, who goes out? Kerridge and Smedts? Jones deserves a serious look owing to his NBs form, but who would he replace? Personally, I'd be very tempted to not make any changes!
We've got the defence to cover their talls.
I think this is correct.
It will be interesting to see, I suspect we've got their rucks covered this time around.
To me they have the run and spread if they can get hold of the foot first, they have lost quite a bit of drive from having Koby Stevens suspended, he was a big part of their GWS win engine room. If we under-rate their midfield depth we'll be in trouble, but I'm not sure they have the cattle to go with Kreuzer, Cripps, C.Curnow, Gibbs and Murphy if they are all "on" come game day!
Also, Carlilse has been quite strong on the intercept marking, keeping his influence under control will be a big part of getting the better of them!
This could be one of those games that is a lot closer than people expect.
Ed isn't fast enough for Stevens, who kills us in the absence of pressure. I'd play Cunners and instruct him to go with him. Ed to cover Ross, Dunstan, Steele etc.
We've got the defence to cover their talls.
Seb Ross has been really firing this season and uses the ball well....he needs Ed Curnow for company.....
Koby Stevens is a loss for them, bit underated IMO and does a lot of the grunt work, I presume Dunstan will come in for him...
This'll be one of our toughest assignments so far this year, up there with the Port challenge. Every side we've beaten this year has either been ordinary (cheats.com.au), in bad form (Fluffy Ducks) or coached badly (Rottingwood). The Aints are a good side in very good form who are coached well.
It would seem from the exaggerated tyre pumping of Cuningham's recent games that he'll get the nod this week. Might seem harsh but his lack of hardness & consistency bother me. Yes, some blokes just aren't hard at it so they'd better make up for it with a ruthless consistency/influence on the game... a la Braddles. If Cuningham gets a call up his run will be critical.
There will be some selection challenges as our experience to newbie ratio at the moment seems pretty right. If SOJ and ZF are fit and wanting a recall, who goes out? Kerridge and Smedts? Jones deserves a serious look owing to his NBs form, but who would he replace? Personally, I'd be very tempted to not make any changes!
Agreed. Same line up.
Cuningham for, say, Graham, would be very hard on the latter who has more than held his own in his 2 games thus far....
SOJ and Fisher could no doubt do with more rest. When did a hammy 'strain' (?) come up in 2 weeks in any event?
Daisy, Kerridge and Smedts add such much needed maturity to the team - noting the latter two aren't at all old in footy life terms.
Still think Smedts will become a very good player for us.
Agreed. Same line up.
Cuningham for, say, Graham, would be very hard on the latter who has more than held his own in his 2 games thus far....
SOJ and Fisher could no doubt do with more rest. When did a hammy 'strain' (?) come up in 2 weeks in any event?
Daisy, Kerridge and Smedts add such much needed maturity to the team - noting the latter two aren't at all old in footy life terms.
Still think Smedts will become a very good player for us.
I have taken a liking to Smedts but he was very ordinary vs the Pies and reckon his position could be more at risk than Grahams IMO...
It's a bit hard to drop players after last week's effort but we'll definitely need both pace and determination to stick tackles this week. Any possible changes will be focused on that IMO.
I have taken a liking to Smedts but he was very ordinary vs the Pies and reckon his position could be more at risk than Grahams IMO...
I think he needs a decent go in the 1s to show if is a can or a cannot, ditto Graham as its make or break time.
Nick Graham stays 100%. Busted his ass in the 2's to earn a recall and playing more than serviceable role at the moment. The message is clear, play well and get a game and it shows by bringing form players into the 1's.
He is providing a great link man around teh contest (10 marks) which I prefer as he runs all day, but is a bit slow of mind in and around the contest. Pushing forward nicely as well and finding space.
Keep going Nick.
Nick Graham stays 100%. Busted his ass in the 2's to earn a recall and playing more than serviceable role at the moment. The message is clear, play well and get a game and it shows by bringing form players into the 1's.
He is providing a great link man around teh contest (10 marks) which I prefer as he runs all day, but is a bit slow of mind in and around the contest. Pushing forward nicely as well and finding space.
Keep going Nick.
x2. Agree.
Never going to be a 'A grader' but he provides the support for our first line mids which is an area we have been lacking in recent times.
As supporters IMO, too often we underestimate the importance of the second stringers like Graham as they are not star quality and therefore we discount their qualities as they never win a game or stand out but they are vital part of the team make up. They provide the pressure needed around the ball in blocking and tackling. In turn their work makes life so much easier for the A graders to hurt the opposition. (see the big No8 as another example of these qualities).
He's also been more careful this year with his ball use and as a result doesn't turn it over like previous years. Plus has a knack of going forward and finding space and can kick an unexpected goal.
I will be shocked if he doesn't keep his spot.
I'd consider giving Kreuzer and Thomas the week off too.
These guys have struggled at etihad with the foot injuries and we go West to Freo next week which is a much more winnable game IMHO and a much more winnable game for us.
I'd consider giving Kreuzer and Thomas the week off too.
These guys have struggled at etihad with the foot injuries and we go West to Freo next week which is a much more winnable game IMHO and a much more winnable game for us.
Not sure I agree.
We are not playing to just snare the points - Kreuzer is vital how the teams preforms and his work in the centre is vital for all our mids. See the Port game to see the difference when his big body is not in the way of opposition mids breaking from stoppages. The saints have good quality mids and without Kreuzers inclose work, we will likely suffer another Port margin loss.
He was rested only 3 weeks ago and so was Thomas. While both seem to have ongoing issues both should not require another 'rest' IMO just yet.
Regarding whether its winnable. only have to look at last week results to know practically every game is winnable depending on how hard you come to play.
Guys of Kerridge / Graham / Daisy's pace will most likely get destroyed against quicker sides like St Kilda.
Fine if you want to be loyal to a winning team but you may as well send out witches hats.
I'd bring Fisher straight back and go for Pickett. Leave Kerridge and probably Graham out. Nothing against Graham who has been really good - it's just horses for courses. Part of playing with the grown ups.
Agree we need a bit more pace against the Saints at ES this Sat.
Not sure we need as many tall defenders either - Rowe, A.Silvagni, White, Plowman and Marchbank seems a little too big for mine. Being working OK though. Just wondering, however, if we may bring in another runner for say someone like Simon White. BUT, what we have is some decent structure, strength and toughness down back now. And, I'm loving Alex Silvagni and also Sam Rowe with their fierceness. Loving Tom Williamson coupled with Sam Docherty. Simpson and Doch having more midfield minutes is smart also.
I was thinking about playing ACOS on the wing against Riewoldt but I doubt whether the latter will play. He could only run in a straight line against GWS.
x2. Agree.
Never going to be a 'A grader' but he provides the support for our first line mids which is an area we have been lacking in recent times.
As supporters IMO, too often we underestimate the importance of the second stringers like Graham as they are not star quality and therefore we discount their qualities as they never win a game or stand out but they are vital part of the team make up. They provide the pressure needed around the ball in blocking and tackling. In turn their work makes life so much easier for the A graders to hurt the opposition. (see the big No8 as another example of these qualities).
He's also been more careful this year with his ball use and as a result doesn't turn it over like previous years. Plus has a knack of going forward and finding space and can kick an unexpected goal.
I will be shocked if he doesn't keep his spot.
Fair post Ol' Boy.
I'd consider giving Kreuzer and Thomas the week off too.
These guys have struggled at etihad with the foot injuries and we go West to Freo next week which is a much more winnable game IMHO and a much more winnable game for us.
WTF is all the rest stuff all of a sudden. Go hard or go home.
Agree we need a bit more pace against the Saints at ES this Sat.
Not sure we need as many tall defenders either - Rowe, A.Silvagni, White, Plowman and Marchbank seems a little too big for mine. Being working OK though. Just wondering, however, if we may bring in another runner for say someone like Simon White. BUT, what we have is some decent structure, strength and toughness down back now. And, I'm loving Alex Silvagni and also Sam Rowe with their fierceness. Loving Tom Williamson coupled with Sam Docherty. Simpson and Doch having more midfield minutes is smart also.
The good thing is all but Rowe can play small or tall....all bar White and Rowe quick enough....suppose it depends on what the match ups are....
If, and its a massive if, but if we can grind out a win this week, plenty will sit up and take notice. The confidence will get and added boost, I reckon the Cocker would really love a win against this mob. There is no reason why we cant knock them off, if we plan and execute as well as we have the last few weeks, I see no reason why we can be a good chance.
If, and its a massive if, but if we can grind out a win this week, plenty will sit up and take notice. The confidence will get and added boost, I reckon the Cocker would really love a win against this mob. There is no reason why we cant knock them off, if we plan and execute as well as we have the last few weeks, I see no reason why we can be a good chance.
Some teams just seem to have our measure... the aints are one. A win against a team like that would show real progress.
Reader Fraser's VFL report sounds like we are unlikely to make changes, compared to previous weeks there were obvious stand-outs in his reporting. I suppose that also reflects the game and the windy conditions it was played in.
WTF is all the rest stuff all of a sudden. Go hard or go home.
It's all about managing players in an effort to get the most out of their careers IMHO. I'd keep Kreuzer away from etihad as much as possible.
this year reminds me of last year a little. started slow and then started to get on a roll. media started taking notice and pumped up our tyres. we kept it going for a bit and then fell away badly. i wonder where we are on the cycle now. i think we're a bit more mature and classy, and hope that win or lose this game we are a bit more even throughout the rest of the season. i guess the point i'm making is that we're a real chance of doing absolutely anything. definitely can win this game, definitely could get our pants pulled down. i'm hoping for a gutsy performance. it will be a big test if the saints come to play. they're a good side when they're on.
Nick Graham stays 100%. Busted his ass in the 2's to earn a recall and playing more than serviceable role at the moment. The message is clear, play well and get a game and it shows by bringing form players into the 1's.
He is providing a great link man around teh contest (10 marks) which I prefer as he runs all day, but is a bit slow of mind in and around the contest. Pushing forward nicely as well and finding space.
Keep going Nick.
He's a younger Brock McLean, no world beater, but a good role player, and provides good depth to our squad.
When we delist Graham, you'll know we have really good midfield depth!!
this year reminds me of last year a little. started slow and then started to get on a roll. media started taking notice and pumped up our tyres. we kept it going for a bit and then fell away badly. i wonder where we are on the cycle now. i think we're a bit more mature and classy, and hope that win or lose this game we are a bit more even throughout the rest of the season. i guess the point i'm making is that we're a real chance of doing absolutely anything. definitely can win this game, definitely could get our pants pulled down. i'm hoping for a gutsy performance. it will be a big test if the saints come to play. they're a good side when they're on.
I'm getting the feeling now that we are getting to combine the passion and spirit with a more measured and calculated approach where our structures are beginning to be firmly established. This of course is most evident with our defence but the midfield is also starting to show signs. Hopefully we can continue to make progress throughout the year and this week will be a strong test.
He's a younger Brock McLean, no world beater, but a good role player, and provides good depth to our squad.
When we delist Graham, you'll know we have really good midfield depth!!
We need role players not 22 players wanting to be the man... potentially what GWS might become.
Hawthorn had a perfect mix
We need role players not 22 players wanting to be the man... potentially what GWS might become.
Hawthorn had a perfect mix
Interesting point.
We need role players not 22 players wanting to be the man... potentially what GWS might become.
Hawthorn had a perfect mix
What was that sign in the Hawks rooms - "Know your role"?
What was that sign in the Hawks rooms - "Know your role"?
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What was that sign in the Hawks rooms - "Know your role"?
Judging by their seasons 2016 and 2017, Bolts may well have pinched it on his way out.
Judging by their seasons 2016 and 2017, Bolts may well have pinched it on his way out.
Probably not the only thing he knocked off. ;)
The 'role player' mantra appears particularly relevent this week as guys come back into consideration:
[1] Do we promote Silvagni, as a semi-automatic selection?
[2] Jones deserves a game, but is there a match up for him? It doesn't lookg like ti to me.
[3] Thomas played well enough to keep his spot, but does he have a match-up?
[4] Kerridge and Smedts are probably the 2 most at risk of losing their spots after their performances against Collingwood. But they can fill many roles. If they go out, who would come in to replace them?
[5] Weitering appears to have a lot of different niggles. He is spendng time on the bench each week not resting, but being patched up. Is it time to give him a rest? Would Silvagni or Jones be a better option to replace him?
[6] Do we have a good match-up to take out Jack Steven? Ed doesn't appear to have the pace?
[7] Has Cuningham done enough to get a game? His best has been exilerating. But he still has patches where he doesn't get the pill for 20 minutes.
[8] In recent times the St Kilda ruckmen have kicked our butts. Granted that they have not tackled a fit Kreuzer in that time (and Kreuzer has been very good this year), but do we need to conisder help for the big lad? And if we do, has Phillips done enough to get the call up? Phillips was awful against Port Adelaide, but he was very out of touch. He has been much better the last 2 weeks.
[9] Do we recall Fisher for extra pace?
That seems like a LOT of selection questions (and it is), but we DO have to consider who best matches up against the 'Aints. We don't tend to make many structural changes when we win. However, the 'Aints are playing some of their best footy.
So, do we make changes to fit the roles required, or do we reward the guys who have been winning? After all, it isn't like any of our players have been comprehensively beaten in the last fortnight.
Probably not the only thing he knocked off. ;)
How do you know BB isn't the main author of much of the Dawks knowledge base? ;)
How do you know BB isn't the main author of much of the Dawks knowledge base? ;)
There was irony in my post.
There was irony in my post.
Mine was full of wonder! ;D
The 'role player' mantra appears particularly relevent this week as guys come back into consideration:
[1] Do we promote Silvagni, as a semi-automatic selection?
[2] Jones deserves a game, but is there a match up for him? It doesn't lookg like ti to me.
[3] Thomas played well enough to keep his spot, but does he have a match-up?
[4] Kerridge and Smedts are probably the 2 most at risk of losing their spots after their performances against Collingwood. But they can fill many roles. If they go out, who would come in to replace them?
[5] Weitering appears to have a lot of different niggles. He is spendng time on the bench each week not resting, but being patched up. Is it time to give him a rest? Would Silvagni or Jones be a better option to replace him?
[6] Do we have a good match-up to take out Jack Steven? Ed doesn't appear to have the pace?
[7] Has Cuningham done enough to get a game? His best has been exilerating. But he still has patches where he doesn't get the pill for 20 minutes.
[8] In recent times the St Kilda ruckmen have kicked our butts. Granted that they have not tackled a fit Kreuzer in that time (and Kreuzer has been very good this year), but do we need to conisder help for the big lad? And if we do, has Phillips done enough to get the call up? Phillips was awful against Port Adelaide, but he was very out of touch. He has been much better the last 2 weeks.
[9] Do we recall Fisher for extra pace?
That seems like a LOT of selection questions (and it is), but we DO have to consider who best matches up against the 'Aints. We don't tend to make many structural changes when we win. However, the 'Aints are playing some of their best footy.
So, do we make changes to fit the roles required, or do we reward the guys who have been winning? After all, it isn't like any of our players have been comprehensively beaten in the last fortnight.
Give Cunningham the job on Stevens...he either does well and makes the transition from VFL to senior player or at worst he gets an education....I like Smedts but he is the player I would omit...
At all times we must have someone defensive side of the stoppages just so they cannot break straight from the pack, they must watch the ruckman and go the side the ball goes so if the saints get the break they have to go sideways or backwards from every contest,slow them down allow players time to cover. If we let them have a clear run bye bye saints and bye bye any chance.Itcan be a flanker a wingman or in the center bounce even a Murphy someone with a bit of pace,slow down there run and they ain't so good.
[2] Jones deserves a game, but is there a match up for him? It doesn't lookg like ti to me.
I'd name Jones emergency, and if Nick Riewoldt plays I'd put Jones on him.
Great potential lesson for Jones, will get to do some stoppage / ruck work and play both ends of the ground!
I think Jones has the speed and endurance to go with Riewoldt, Riewoldt has lost some agility at the moment which Jones could take full advantage of!
Otherwise, send Weitering back to run with Riewoldt and let Jones play forward.
At all times we must have someone defensive side of the stoppages just so they cannot break straight from the pack, they must watch the ruckman and go the side the ball goes so if the saints get the break they have to go sideways or backwards from every contest,slow them down allow players time to cover. If we let them have a clear run bye bye saints and bye bye any chance.Itcan be a flanker a wingman or in the center bounce even a Murphy someone with a bit of pace,slow down there run and they ain't so good.
Watching last week blokes like Montangna and Stevens hit up Riewoldt off the HBF and then run like lunatics to get front and square knowing Riewoldt will bring the ball to the deck.
This sort of disposal chain happened over and over again last week while the GWS guys spent the afternoon finger-pointing and blaming each other!
Some big Sam Rowe punches could easily find The Aints caught on the wrong side of a fast break turnover! ;)
Give Cunningham the job on Stevens...he either does well and makes the transition from VFL to senior player or at worst he gets an education....I like Smedts but he is the player I would omit...
I really like Smedts as well. Didn't think i would. Didn't impact the game last Saturday, but i like what he can bring around the ball.
Membrey seems to be a bloke who really loves playing us, having collected a few bags (of goals) against us. Plowman?
Give Cunningham the job on Stevens...he either does well and makes the transition from VFL to senior player or at worst he gets an education....I like Smedts but he is the player I would omit...
I get the impression that we are grooming Cunningham as Marc Murphy's "understudy". They might not spend much time playing together at this stage, but I get the idea that he is a longer term slow burn and that we will be giving young draftees more than 2 years to show what they have if there is something we like about them.
Not one of my favourites but Kerridge may get a gig in a run with role - the Saints are strong wrg run and spread and have a few quicks.
I really like Smedts as well. Didn't think i would. Didn't impact the game last Saturday, but i like what he can bring around the ball.
Agree.
Smedts has something worth persisting with, but i don't think he should be playing 1's this week. He should and will be back.
What was that sign in the Hawks rooms - "Know your role"?
At Carlton it's called keeping your end up!!
I get the impression that we are grooming Cunningham as Marc Murphy's "understudy". They might not spend much time playing together at this stage, but I get the idea that he is a longer term slow burn and that we will be giving young draftees more than 2 years to show what they have if there is something we like about them.
Big call, 3 Leos, hope you're right but he certainly hasn't shown yet the consistency or hardness that Murph has. I think it more likely that ZF or Polson would be the Murph replacements.
At Carlton it's called keeping your end up!!
:D
Big call, 3 Leos, hope you're right but he certainly hasn't shown yet the consistency or hardness that Murph has. I think it more likely that ZF or Polson would be the Murph replacements.
Has anyone else had trouble telling Murphy and Polson apart? I reckon they have very similar physiques, facial features and running style.
Has anyone else had trouble telling Murphy and Polson apart? I reckon they have very similar physiques, facial features and running style.
Yep me.
Has anyone else had trouble telling Murphy and Polson apart? I reckon they have very similar physiques, facial features and running style.
Me too. The shoulder strapping didn't assist much either.
Here's a tip lads. One wears number 3, the other 29.
;)
Here's a tip lads. One wears number 3, the other 29.
;)
And ones playing firsts and the other is in the magoos. :)) O0
And ones playing firsts and the other is in the magoos. :)) O0
One gets 35 touches, the other 5!
Polsens form has dropped off after Adelaide needs to pick himself up and go hard again in Magoos and get few bests before being considered again
Jack Silvagni is too good for VFL will get his 15 touches and three goals with no problem.. just needs to start taking some of these tough contested marks at AFL.. unfair on a developing body but wont be a teenager for ever.. but is playing better this year than last year and thats what counts.. straight in if fit
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Jack Silvagni is too good for VFL will get his 15 touches and three goals with no problem.. just needs to start taking some of these tough contested marks at AFL.. unfair on a developing body but wont be a teenager for ever.. but is playing better this year than last year and thats what counts.. straight in if fit
Yes and no.
I have no doubt about his ability, but I do have doubts about his body's ability to recover so quickly from an injury that kept him out for a week already, and his confidences ability to come straight back in and compete without taking a backwards step.
I would have thought it prudent management to simply give him a game in the magoos, to build everyones confidence in his body, and to knock on the door and state that he is back to play senior football making everyone else accountable.
We cant be seen to be playing favourites, and we need to give Jack every opportunity to show that he belongs at this level and not picked purely on his name.
Jacks form does not justify him being dropped. He is one of our leading goalkickers
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/footy/player-statistics
He has a higher avg tackle count than smedts but would be nice if he gets to nick grahams 5.5 tackles per game too.. has one of the highest averages in the team for marks.
Highly underated for such a promising talent... no way should he be dropped... this isnt favoritism at all he is simply a talent.. just needs to do that extra 10% more and only through game time and experience will he be able to do that...(and putting on an another 5 kg of muscle wont hurt him either)
ZF and SOJ in, Kerridge and Smedts out.
Emerg: Macreadie, Cuningham and Boekhorst.
ZF and SOJ in, Kerridge and Smedts out.
Emerg: Macreadie, Cuningham and Boekhorst.
I guess the MC will be hero's or villains with those selections/omissions.
I guess the MC will be hero's or villains with those selections/omissions.
Pretty sure 90% of us would've had the same 2 outs if we had to pick 2.
Reckon 90% of us wouldve had jack in as well.
The only real surprise is Fisher back in....which is fair enough as he was only out of the team through injury anyway.
Happy enough with that really. Good in a way we are not going too defensive but exposing the young guys to a bit of heat.
yeah! well a fit Jack had to come back in.
I reckon Billie Smedts is a bit stiff. Didn't have a good one last week, but the week before was good.
All up though, looks OK to me.
I guess an important consideration in selection was Etihad. The two ins, especially ZF, have speed over the grass. SOJ exerts terrific forward pressure and will hopefully find the scoreboard.
These selections are part of the rebuild.
We would have a better winning chance with Smedts and Kerridge but the two ins are very good prospects and we have to get games into them.
I agree with it, there's no other way.
These selections are part of the rebuild.
We would have a better winning chance with Smedts and Kerridge but the two ins are very good prospects and we have to get games into them.
I agree with it, there's no other way.
Makes sense. Perhaps we've categorised games... those where we are playing v good sides in v good form hence give kids an education... and those against lower sides where we have a sniff so rest a kid or 3 and bring in experienced blokes who know their role and give our all to win and feed the members some hope. That's not to say we concede against better sides just that we don't want the value of education to be missed. Or maybe we just pick the best side for the conditions, from who is available.
These selections are part of the rebuild.
We would have a better winning chance with Smedts and Kerridge but the two ins are very good prospects and we have to get games into them.
I agree with it, there's no other way.
I reckon there might be a some shuffling of players leading up to the bye and there's a Perth trip in there as well.
Jack adds that hit up forward option and Fisher adds pace and quality ball use. I can see why they have pushed Kerridge and Smedts out, for this week at least.
I'd have given weeters a break as well, lord knows he needs it.
ZF and SOJ in, Kerridge and Smedts out.
Emerg: Macreadie, Cuningham and Boekhorst.
The ins make sense. Zac rhymes with Jack. Its simple ;)
The ins make sense. Zac rhymes with Jack. Its simple ;)
x2 :)
I don't know that I would have made Silvagni and Fisher automatic inclusions, but that has happened. So be it.
Carlton
B: Lachie Plowman, Sam Rowe, Alex Silvagni.
HB: Kade Simpson, Caleb Marchbank, Tom Williamson.
C: Sam Docherty, Patrick Cripps, Matthew Wright.
HF: Sam Petrevski-Seton, Levi Casboult, Charlie Curnow.
F: Ed Curnow, Jacob Weitering, Dale Thomas.
R: Matthew Kreuzer, Bryce Gibbs, Marc Murphy.
Int: Nick Graham, Simon White, Zac Fisher, Jack Silvagni.
Emg: Harrison Macreadie, David Cuningham, Blaine Boekhorst
I think Jones is more than a little stiff not to mentioned here.
St Kilda
B: Jarryn Geary, Nathan J. Brown, Jimmy Webster.
HB: Jack Newnes, Jake Carlisle, Dylan Roberton.
C: Jack Billings, Jack Steele, Leigh Montagna.
HF: Jade Gresham, Nick Riewoldt, Maverick Weller.
F: Tim Membrey, Josh Bruce, Jack Sinclair.
R: Billy Longer, Sebastian Ross, Jack Steven.
Int: Luke Dunstan, Blake Acres, Sam Gilbert, Darren Minchington.
Emg: Paddy McCartin, Nathan Wright, Daniel McKenzie
I don't know that I would have made Silvagni and Fisher automatic inclusions, but that has happened. So be it.
Jack could probably do with a week in the twos, just to freshen up.
Carlton
B: Lachie Plowman, Sam Rowe, Alex Silvagni.
HB: Kade Simpson, Caleb Marchbank, Tom Williamson.
C: Sam Docherty, Patrick Cripps, Matthew Wright.
HF: Sam Petrevski-Seton, Levi Casboult, Charlie Curnow.
F: Ed Curnow, Jacob Weitering, Dale Thomas.
R: Matthew Kreuzer, Bryce Gibbs, Marc Murphy.
Int: Nick Graham, Simon White, Zac Fisher, Jack Silvagni.
Emg: Harrison Macreadie, David Cuningham, Blaine Boekhorst
I think Jones is more than a little stiff not to mentioned here.
St Kilda
B: Jarryn Geary, Nathan J. Brown, Jimmy Webster.
HB: Jack Newnes, Jake Carlisle, Dylan Roberton.
C: Jack Billings, Jack Steele, Leigh Montagna.
HF: Jade Gresham, Nick Riewoldt, Maverick Weller.
F: Tim Membrey, Josh Bruce, Jack Sinclair.
R: Billy Longer, Sebastian Ross, Jack Steven.
Int: Luke Dunstan, Blake Acres, Sam Gilbert, Darren Minchington.
Emg: Paddy McCartin, Nathan Wright, Daniel McKenzie
4 Sams and 6 Jacks in one game must me some sort of a record. Throw in a Jacob, Jarryn, Jimmy, Jake, Jade and Josh there are alot of J's.
Good selections. It's what I would have done with both Jack and Zac fit and healthy.
The two players dropped are spot on.
I am keen to get Cuningham in at some point.
Boekhorst as an emergency is a carrot for him that BB is using IMO.
Liam Jones missing out as an emergency is a strange one.
We like a bit of sting out of the track, Saints like it more firm, at Etihad we struggled vs the GC pace and I reckon it might be the same vs Stkilda...if it was at the MCG and a soft track I'd say we are a chance but Saints will start warm favourites and they seem to be a bogey team for us of recent years.
I think we will be more competitive than in the past but would love to see Reiwoldt rested and Hickey not playing.....
I tell you what I reckon this is would be in top 3-4 hardest fixtures for a side like us to face
With only the following being more of a worry.
Adelaide in Adelaide
GWS @ Etihad or up on their paddock
We will still cop some hidings, it is a fact of where we are at present and it is still quite possible to drop the heads and get run off our feet to the tune of 100 points, it is a reality when a good team is one fire.
We can beat the Saints, they are not the best team in the comp, but they will be extremely hard to beat on a fast surface and I tend to think they will win this by 7+ goals.
If we keep it respectable, if we do get within 4 goals (or win), it will be a massive effort.
Beating Essendon and Collingwood is GREAT as a supporter, but knocking off the Saints @ Etihad, with the way we play would say far more about where we are as a club imo
I tell you what I reckon this is would be in top 3-4 hardest fixtures for a side like us to face
With only the following being more of a worry.
Adelaide in Adelaide
GWS @ Etihad or up on their paddock
We will still cop some hidings, it is a fact of where we are at present and it is still quite possible to drop the heads and get run off our feet to the tune of 100 points, it is a reality when a good team is one fire.
We can beat the Saints, they are not the best team in the comp, but they will be extremely hard to beat on a fast surface and I tend to think they will win this by 7+ goals.
If we keep it respectable, if we do get within 4 goals (or win), it will be a massive effort.
Beating Essendon and Collingwood is GREAT as a supporter, but knocking off the Saints @ Etihad, with the way we play would say far more about where we are as a club imo
These are my sentiments too. This is about education for our younger guys and will certainly test our resolve. Haven't been able to go to the last two games but I will be there this week cheering them on. Looking forward to it AND it's on Sat arvo. :)
I tell you what I reckon this is would be in top 3-4 hardest fixtures for a side like us to face
With only the following being more of a worry.
Adelaide in Adelaide
GWS @ Etihad or up on their paddock
We will still cop some hidings, it is a fact of where we are at present and it is still quite possible to drop the heads and get run off our feet to the tune of 100 points, it is a reality when a good team is one fire.
We can beat the Saints, they are not the best team in the comp, but they will be extremely hard to beat on a fast surface and I tend to think they will win this by 7+ goals.
If we keep it respectable, if we do get within 4 goals (or win), it will be a massive effort.
Beating Essendon and Collingwood is GREAT as a supporter, but knocking off the Saints @ Etihad, with the way we play would say far more about where we are as a club imo
Ditto. Unlikely to win so gain as much as possible from the experience. This is where saints were a couple of years ago.
Go new Blues.
St. Kilda always seem to grow another leg against us.
Hamill might have something to do with it.
Hes still in their coaching setup down there from what I understand.
At the end of the day, there are no easy matches, and its 22 vs 22 on matchday so a bit of luck and we can win.
St. Kilda always seem to grow another leg against us.
Hamill might have something to do with it.
Hes still in their coaching setup down there from what I understand.
At the end of the day, there are no easy matches, and its 22 vs 22 on matchday so a bit of luck and we can win.
My oath he is part of their coaching set up. He coached in place of Richo for the JLT against us.
they grow another leg .because we kick the ball long into our fwd line ,if we dont mark it and spills to the ground saints have players pushing back (flooding) and bang away they go with there pace and run ,this is what worries me about the new young carlton.
they grow another leg .because we kick the ball long into our fwd line ,if we dont mark it and spills to the ground saints have players pushing back (flooding) and bang away they go with there pace and run ,this is what worries me about the new young carlton.
That last game we played we seemed to spot up players in the forward 50 a bit more. We kicked it around before pushing forward, I thought this was a big change from previous games. Honouring leads... Finally ;)
Hi guys, I'm stuck on the edge of reality, can't load the afl or cfc websites but can load here ok... go figure ????
Can someone please check if we are on fta tomorrow in northern NSW or Gold Coast.
Cheers
Hi guys, I'm stuck on the edge of reality, can't load the afl or cfc websites but can load here ok... go figure ????
Can someone please check if we are on fta tomorrow in northern NSW or Gold Coast.
Cheers
Not on free to air in northern NSW or the Gold Coast. Just checked the AFL website.
4 Sams and 6 Jacks in one game must me some sort of a record. Throw in a Jacob, Jarryn, Jimmy, Jake, Jade and Josh there are alot of J's.
Shhhh you might uncover the science of selection ^-^
Not on free to air in northern NSW or the Gold Coast. Just checked the AFL website.
Cheers Paul.
Looks like I'll need to humbug the nrl favoring publican ????
Cheers Paul.
Looks like I'll need to humbug the nrl favoring publican ????
No worries matey. Good luck.
Hi guys, I'm stuck on the edge of reality, can't load the afl or cfc websites but can load here ok... go figure ????
Can someone please check if we are on fta tomorrow in northern NSW or Gold Coast.
Cheers
Hey noorthern blue.
Have you heard of kodi? Its a media streaming .........service???
Theres an afl channel on that that better than nothing. Google it or youtube it for more info.
Great for replays but noticed last night it had a live section. Will check it out tomorrow.
Hey noorthern blue.
Have you heard of kodi? Its a media streaming .........service???
Theres an afl channel on that that better than nothing. Google it or youtube it for more info.
Great for replays but noticed last night it had a live section. Will check it out tomorrow.
I believe it doesnt work anymore, AFL Live programming tests for embedded app in root directories and you will get an error message that says the program is " rooted"....never a truer word... :(
Not sure about the replay app...maybe that works...
Hey noorthern blue.
Have you heard of kodi? Its a media streaming .........service???
Theres an afl channel on that that better than nothing. Google it or youtube it for more info.
Great for replays but noticed last night it had a live section. Will check it out tomorrow.
No, I haven't BB.
My main problem is the lack of mobile signal, a couple of weeks ago I couldn't even get a text out of this place !!
I believe it doesnt work anymore, AFL Live programming tests for embedded app in root directories and you will get an error message that says the program is " rooted"....never a truer word... :(
Not sure about the replay app...maybe that works...
The AFL are so worried about squeezing a dollar our of the TV rights they have forgotten, TV is so 1960s!
How about they concentrate on building the fans base, globally the dollars from a massive fan base will make the Aussie TV rights look weak as piss!
Carlton by 25.
Looks like it's the sports bar in HK for the game, lucky they make great burgers . Will be an interesting one,
My dad has a media box at home and he gets every game on it. Terrible quality but better than nothing.
Going along for a look. Never know your luck, if the same attitude as the last two weeks turns up, we are every chance.
Go Blues