RIP Coalition
Coalition doing their best impression of our season.....and nailing it. ;)
RIP Coalition
Fecked in spades.
Like a 120 point floggin'
I love the way they stand in front of the camera and claim the Federal situation had little influence.
I said to the missus watching the broadcast, they don't get it, they think regardless of who we vote for they can pick or flip whatever leader they like!
Most people vote for people not parties, and when the Federal Coalition kiboshed Turnbull whether you like him or not they exposed themselves as backstabbers and they'll pay for that in much the same way the ALP paid for it's leadership turmoil.
As for claiming federal politics pay little part in state politics, good luck getting that through to Joe Average.
Fist pump emoji!
I love the way they stand in front of the camera and claim the Federal situation had little influence.
I said to the missus watching the broadcast, they don't get it, they think regardless of who we vote for they can pick or flip whatever leader they like!
Most people vote for people not parties, and when the Federal Coalition kiboshed Turnbull whether you like him or not they exposed themselves as backstabbers and they'll pay for that in much the same way the ALP paid for it's leadership turmoil.
As for claiming federal politics pay little part in state politics, good luck getting that through to Joe Average.
Spot on. I wonder if you were watching Fryenberg's response to what had happened, as I was with Mrs Baggers? All he did was succeed as coming across as a knob in denial.
When the Stiffs (LP/conservatives) reflected the values of Menzies (moderate) they seemed relevant and competitive but with this drift to the hard right/fundamentalism, they've started stinking the place up (especially with the in-fighting between the moderates and the hard right lunies... Tony and co.).
No secret to Andrews success... he said he was going to do a few things and FMD, he's actually doing what he said :o :o :o
Spot on. I wonder if you were watching Fryenberg's response to what had happened, as I was with Mrs Baggers? All he did was succeed as coming across as a knob in denial.
When the Stiffs (LP/conservatives) reflected the values of Menzies (moderate) they seemed relevant and competitive but with this drift to the hard right/fundamentalism, they've started stinking the place up (especially with the in-fighting between the moderates and the hard right lunies... Tony and co.).
No secret to Andrews success... he said he was going to do a few things and FMD, he's actually doing what he said :o :o :o
It will never catch on Baggers!
They have copped an absolute pounding, will most likely be in opposition for the next decade, but if they end up with Kroger getting the arse it will actually be a positive night for the Liberals.
Old mate Jeff asking him to resign in live TV (to his face) followed by Dan Andrews smack down on Insiders this morning is just about my political highlight for the year.
Absolutely detest him.
I think the appointment of Mathew Guy as their leader was a fatal blow for the Libs and likely the major factor at play. He is just not likeable and appears, to me anyway, as always carping or preaching in a most disingenuous way. So before even looking at what he stands for, I am offside! I remember my sales training from many years ago that it is awfully hard to bring yourself to buy something from a person you don't like.
I think the appointment of Mathew Guy as their leader was a fatal blow for the Libs and likely the major factor at play. He is just not likeable and appears, to me anyway, as always carping or preaching in a most disingenuous way. So before even looking at what he stands for, I am offside! I remember my sales training from many years ago that it is awfully hard to bring yourself to buy something from a person you don't like.
I worked in the department that included planning when Matthew Guy was planning minister and it would be disrespectful to sh1thouse rats to say that he was as shifty as those creatures.
He was always going to struggle as leader and particularly with Kroger as a millstone around his neck.
It’s a pity that John Pesutto lost his seat. He is positively statesmanlike in comparison.
I think the appointment of Mathew Guy as their leader was a fatal blow for the Libs and likely the major factor at play. He is just not likeable and appears, to me anyway, as always carping or preaching in a most disingenuous way. So before even looking at what he stands for, I am offside! I remember my sales training from many years ago that it is awfully hard to bring yourself to buy something from a person you don't like.
Matt Guy has zero personality and the Libs went the crime/policing route.....Andrews went with the things he has done and has a better persona..not a fan of either party by the way and the same for Fed election.....cant stand that dummy Bill Shorten and ditto for ScoMo or his buffoon mate Matthias Cormann.....
Matt Guy has zero personality and the Libs went the crime/policing route.....Andrews went with the things he has done and has a better persona..not a fan of either party by the way and the same for Fed election.....cant stand that dummy Bill Shorten and ditto for ScoMo or his buffoon mate Matthias Cormann.....
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Have you seen the Cormann/Arnie character on Micallef?
DJC - I'm reading this and my experiences are the same. I think Andrews is doing a lot of things right but the internal functioning of some departments, such as DEDJTRXYZ (or whatever it called this week) is diabolically bad. In fact, I'd call some departments in the old Primary Industries sphere such as ESR non-functional. Whomever was the last minister overseeing that mess should be held to task.
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Have you seen the Cormann/Arnie character on Micallef?
No...but I see the similarities..... ;) hopefully Cormann wont be back next election.....you see him in question time and he is a master deflector, answers nothing and has this smirk on his face the whole time.
None of them are any good, Shorten wants to steal my franking credits just as I am about to retire, the Greens just annoy me and Pauline has teamed up with Mark Latham???..
Think the animal welfare party might be my only option......
No...but I see the similarities..... ;) hopefully Cormann wont be back next election.....you see him in question time and he is a master deflector, answers nothing and has this smirk on his face the whole time.
None of them are any good, Shorten wants to steal my franking credits just as I am about to retire, the Greens just annoy me and Pauline has teamed up with Mark Latham???..
Think the animal welfare party might be my only option......
Share your concerns EB. Shorten always reminds me of the classic serpent - maybe it's those shifty eyes!
Share your concerns EB. Shorten always reminds me of the classic serpent - maybe it's those shifty eyes!
Shorten is clueless, just going to send more self funded retiree's to the pension or sending their money overseas to invest, while the real tax cheats at the top of the tree continue to
prosper.
Shorten is clueless, just going to send more self funded retiree's to the pension or sending their money overseas to invest, while the real tax cheats at the top of the tree continue to
prosper.
More and more people now qualifying for the pension. I know a couple who retired a few years ago with what I thought was a LOT of money. Don't know what they've been doing but they recently confided in me that they are now getting a part pension. I retired with a lump sum super a number of years ago and I know it has been a stressful task looking after it and trying to get a decent return to live on.
No secret to Andrews success... he said he was going to do a few things and FMD, he's actually doing what he said :o :o :o
Even spending $1.2 Billion not building a road. Top Bloke.
100%, but the other peanut shouldn't have signed the contract 3 months from an election.
100%, but the other peanut shouldn't have signed the contract 3 months from an election.
Dunno about that. I personally don't understand how we the public should decide on whether a road, school or hospital should be built. How they feck would I know? Infrastructure Groups do the studies, make the recommendations and governments (irrespective of which party is in power) should just feckin well get on with it. I'll bet my balls that road will eventually get built.
Dunno about that. I personally don't understand how we the public should decide on whether a road, school or hospital should be built. How they feck would I know? Infrastructure Groups do the studies, make the recommendations and governments (irrespective of which party is in power) should just feckin well get on with it. I'll bet my balls that road will eventually get built.
Without doubt. Andrews at the time though had other bigger priorities with other constituencies - pure politics. They are at least getting on now with the NE Link, which is good for my neck of the woods.
I worked in the department that included planning when Matthew Guy was planning minister and it would be disrespectful to sh1thouse rats to say that he was as shifty as those creatures.
He was always going to struggle as leader and particularly with Kroger as a millstone around his neck.
It’s a pity that John Pesutto lost his seat. He is positively statesmanlike in comparison.
He's winning again, at least for now. Obviously by a wafer thin margin.
No...but I see the similarities..... ;) hopefully Cormann wont be back next election.....you see him in question time and he is a master deflector, answers nothing and has this smirk on his face the whole time.
None of them are any good, Shorten wants to steal my franking credits just as I am about to retire, the Greens just annoy me and Pauline has teamed up with Mark Latham???..
Think the animal welfare party might be my only option......
If you're hitting pension age, getting a full or part pension, or pensioner who is currently a recipient from a self-managed superannuation fund you're exempt from losing your franking credits.
https://www.afr.com/news/labor-spares-300000-pensioners-in-33b-policy-backdown-20180325-h0xy8t
I worked in the department that included planning when Matthew Guy was planning minister and it would be disrespectful to sh1thouse rats to say that he was as shifty as those creatures.
He was always going to struggle as leader and particularly with Kroger as a millstone around his neck.
It’s a pity that John Pesutto lost his seat. He is positively statesmanlike in comparison.
1. Doesn't surprise me in the slightest. When he came out with that comment after the murder of Sisto from Pellegrini's, 'that it wouldn't have happened if his govt was in office'. Such crass and vulgar opportunism told me much about the bloke.
2. Kroger has been a LNP millstone for at least a decade. Well said.
3. Spot on re John Pesutto, what a class act.
I understand that NE link will please a lot of people and help ease congestion but I've got drill rigs 50 metres from my front gate and we're going to have a vent shaft 150 metres from here. The NE link is ducked for this area, has killed house prices and continues the theme of no government wanting to spend a cent in this area except to offer people fron outlying suburbs easier transit through it.
Consultation, what's that? Any meaningful say in the matter.... You've gotta be joking. Somebody always "pays the rent" and it ain't the people who are going to be using it.
I understand that NE link will please a lot of people and help ease congestion but I've got drill rigs 50 metres from my front gate and we're going to have a vent shaft 150 metres from here. The NE link is ducked for this area, has killed house prices and continues the theme of no government wanting to spend a cent in this area except to offer people fron outlying suburbs easier transit through it.
Consultation, what's that? Any meaningful say in the matter.... You've gotta be joking. Somebody always "pays the rent" and it ain't the people who are going to be using it.
Holy cr@p, PROFESORES, that is just fkn wrong. You must have some recourse.
It's crown land and they have had up to 11 rigs doing geotechnical work along the proposed route. It's actually been well supervised, with truck movements monitored and noise restrictions etc. The lay down for the Hurstbridge track duplication was way worse, pack of cowboys. Truckers were flogs.
The best route remains through Eltham, but the NIMBYs in that area can afford lawyers, people in MacLeod, Watsonia and Rosanna can't. It's gonna happen, fact of life.
100%, but the other peanut shouldn't have signed the contract 3 months from an election.
But when does state govt suddenly stop on the fear they have no right to sign a contract.
Napthine was correct and Andrews even agreed that contracts should be honoured... until he changed his mind for the sake of expediency. When it is built (and it will be) it'll cost a lot more
If you're hitting pension age, getting a full or part pension, or pensioner who is currently a recipient from a self-managed superannuation fund you're exempt from losing your franking credits.
https://www.afr.com/news/labor-spares-300000-pensioners-in-33b-policy-backdown-20180325-h0xy8t
Dont qualify under any of the above Jim, still too young ;)....like Cookie I will be taking my lump sum and looking after it myself and part of that will be adding to equities I have already invested in and I dont need Bill Shorten stealing my franking credits. I wont be applying for pensions or creating any drain on the public system so I expect/expected the Government of the day to look after me....go and chase Gina Rinehart or Kerry Packers kid James if you want some extra tax and leave self funded retiree's alone.
Hopefully it wont get through the senate....... >:(
Even spending $1.2 Billion not building a road. Top Bloke.
Just on that, i heard him address this on the radio last week.
The day after he got in he was shown the contracts for that. It was a crock of shi*. It wasn't going to cost $5-6 billion or whatever it was suggested, it was going to cost $20billion+.
So he was faced with a dilemma. Build something that the other mob sorted out, and cop all of the flack from the overspend that comes with it. At the same time eating into all the money he was going to use to fulfill everything he promised (rail crossing removal, mernda train line etc)
or
Bite the bullet, pay out the $1bil and do what he said he was going to do.
If i was in his position, i would've done the same thing.
Of course as soon as he ripped up the contract the libs got stuck into him, the whole time knowing that they screwed him over and he was damned if he built it or not.
Just on that, i heard him address this on the radio last week.
The day after he got in he was shown the contracts for that. It was a crock of shi*. It wasn't going to cost $5-6 billion or whatever it was suggested, it was going to cost $20billion+.
So he was faced with a dilemma. Build something that the other mob sorted out, and cop all of the flack from the overspend that comes with it. At the same time eating into all the money he was going to use to fulfill everything he promised (rail crossing removal, mernda train line etc)
or
Bite the bullet, pay out the $1bil and do what he said he was going to do.
If i was in his position, i would've done the same thing.
Of course as soon as he ripped up the contract the libs got stuck into him, the whole time knowing that they screwed him over and he was damned if he built it or not.
Just on that, this would include plenty of extras that can be used down the track such as property, plans, etc.
It's crown land and they have had up to 11 rigs doing geotechnical work along the proposed route. It's actually been well supervised, with truck movements monitored and noise restrictions etc. The lay down for the Hurstbridge track duplication was way worse, pack of cowboys. Truckers were flogs.
The best route remains through Eltham, but the NIMBYs in that area can afford lawyers, people in MacLeod, Watsonia and Rosanna can't. It's gonna happen, fact of life.
Proff i live in Greensborough and i agree that it would be better to go through lower plenty linking up with EarthLink at Springvale road, but I've been very interested and have seen the costing estimates.
They've gone with the cheapest option which ties into proposed eastern freeway upgrades.
I have been to as many of the consultations as possible and i think theyve used them as checkboxes rather than actual consultation.
Im not sure if any other option would be much different to be honest.
But when does state govt suddenly stop on the fear they have no right to sign a contract.
Napthine was correct and Andrews even agreed that contracts should be honoured... until he changed his mind for the sake of expediency. When it is built (and it will be) it'll cost a lot more
Napthine was never correct.This purely the Liberals fault, Andrews said before the contract was signed that he was never going to build it but he signed it anyway. He did it to wedge Labor knowing he was going to lose the election. Just signed it, no business case whatsoever, just pure politics. The business case was found to be very poor and needed tolls on other roads, like the Westgate Freeway, just to pay for it. Andrews called his bluff.
Nobody can ever really know the truth, because the truth is based on data they choose to release, much of it cherry-picked no doubt.
They can make any project seem as good or as bad as you like, it's only in retrospect the truth outs! That's when you find out about diverted funds, pork barreling and straight out theft!
Question;
Is this result good or bad for Carlton FC, much of our recently awarded funding comes from the Federal Coalition?
Andrews seems to prefer the Handbaggers, CheatsFC and the Dawks for state level funding!
Nobody can ever really know the truth, because the truth is based on data they choose to release, much of it cherry-picked no doubt.
They can make any project seem as good or as bad as you like, it's only in retrospect the truth outs! That's when you find out about diverted funds, pork barreling and straight out theft!
Question;
Is this result good or bad for Carlton FC, much of our recently awarded funding comes from the Federal Coalition?
Andrews seems to prefer the Handbaggers, CheatsFC and the Dawks for state level funding!
We got $20M from the State Govt in the last budget. Essendon, North Melbourne, St Kilda and the Western Bulldogs also got funding for stadium upgrades. The AFL got money to upgrade Darklands.
Napthine was never correct.This purely the Liberals fault, Andrews said before the contract was signed that he was never going to build it but he signed it anyway. He did it to wedge Labor knowing he was going to lose the election. Just signed it, no business case whatsoever, just pure politics. The business case was found to be very poor and needed tolls on other roads, like the Westgate Freeway, just to pay for it. Andrews called his bluff.
Mr Andrews disputed whether the contracts signed by the Government with the wining consortium yesterday were legally binding.
“There is nothing to walk away from, be very clear about this, the contracts are not worth the paper they’re written on,” Mr Andrews said. “This is not a legally binding contract.”One billion plus later
Mr Andrews disputed whether the contracts signed by the Government with the wining consortium yesterday were legally binding.
“There is nothing to walk away from, be very clear about this, the contracts are not worth the paper they’re written on,” Mr Andrews said. “This is not a legally binding contract.”
One billion plus later
Dont believe everything they write about 1 billion plus later.
They often do the creative accounting.
The plans cost X
The property acquisition to put the proposal into realistic territory (including compensation for people losing their homes) cost X (note real estate will have higher value today than it did when it was purchased)
The legal fees of signed contracts cost X
The exit fees of signed contracts cost X
The Productivity loss of the employees who worked on the proposal and then cancellation cost X
The cost of borrowing money to make the proposal "real" cost X.
In total, it cost 1 billion plus only for Mr. Andrews to "not build a road".
Only one component of which is his direct fault, and wouldn't have cost 1 billion by itself. It's also worth remembering, that the money borrowed for said road, sat in a bank account earning interest until it was fully cancelled which was ignored.
This is how your political spin doctor statement arrives at Mr. Andrews costing 1 billion+ to not build a road.
Its all bulldust. Politicians should be running the AFL. They are career liars.
It's interesting, I think you'll find the $1B is/was offset by or eliminated by other contracts.
No company that size would deliberately exclude themselves from future offerings that might add up to trillions, by taking a short term billion now!
So I doubt if the state has ever really paid that money, or if that amount ever really existed, and nobody will chase it as long as the opportunity to join a tender remains. Given GDP adjustments, and all the other contracts since, they have probably already got it well and truly covered!
That is not how money is wasted, a better example of waste is the news that one of the more recently completed new stations now has to be renovated for a fourth time. The first time the plans did not include skyrail, they had only just finished an upgrade when skyrail was announced. The second time the platform was built in the wrong position, there was an unsafe gap between some trains and the platform. The third time it was too short, it didn't fit the new trains on a future service and has to be extended! All up the first rebuild cost $30M, and by the time they have completed the fourth cycle it will allegedly cost more than $600M for a single train station that half a decade ago just needed a polish up! All this in the space of one term!
The entire subject should have never been raised in the first place. >:D
He had 4 years to deny the compensation amount and not once did he do it
The entire subject should have never been raised in the first place. >:D
He had 4 years to deny the compensation amount and never did
Would anyone have believed him?
A politician who admits to something admits guilt. A politician who denies something is lying.
The opposition eat that stuff for breakfast. If he says nothing, then the accusations don't stick, and it all recedes into the darkness.
Mr Andrews disputed whether the contracts signed by the Government with the wining consortium yesterday were legally binding.
“There is nothing to walk away from, be very clear about this, the contracts are not worth the paper they’re written on,” Mr Andrews said. “This is not a legally binding contract.”
One billion plus later
He was very clear he was not building it at the time legal or not. It was an attempt by the Libs to wedge him knowing they weren't going to win the election. No business case, no anything, they just signed it. No ifs or buts on that no matters how it is spun. That was the Liberals fault and it cost a billion bucks.
He was very clear he was not building it at the time legal or not. It was an attempt by the Libs to wedge him knowing they weren't going to win the election. No business case, no anything, they just signed it. No ifs or buts on that no matters how it is spun. That was the Liberals fault and it cost a billion bucks.
... and they signed the contract 1 month before the caretaker period for the election started.
Rumour i heard was that O'Brien asked for the penalty clause to be inserted, which is even more reprehensible.
Proff i live in Greensborough and i agree that it would be better to go through lower plenty linking up with EarthLink at Springvale road, but I've been very interested and have seen the costing estimates.
They've gone with the cheapest option which ties into proposed eastern freeway upgrades.
I have been to as many of the consultations as possible and i think theyve used them as checkboxes rather than actual consultation.
Im not sure if any other option would be much different to be honest.
I'm in south morang and i think the route they chose was bollocks.
Do you remember the 4 routes?
a - chosen.
d - via kangaroo ground (too far out)
b and c - basically identical, the most obvious routes, slight variations between them.
So people vote, and i assume, most voted for either b or c. However, because they are so similar there is little to distinguish the 2, so one of the others gets majority by default.
In reality, it was the 3rd option.
I'm in south morang and i think the route they chose was bollocks.
Do you remember the 4 routes?
a - chosen.
d - via kangaroo ground (too far out)
b and c - basically identical, the most obvious routes, slight variations between them.
So people vote, and i assume, most voted for either b or c. However, because they are so similar there is little to distinguish the 2, so one of the others gets majority by default.
In reality, it was the 3rd option.
Agree.
I actually think they had their choice vefore they started. Cheapest and most direct connection. They will build option D in future as well. Maybe one of the other two as well. Either way its going to be a bit of a mess moving forward.