Enjoy the game, those who see it. Hopefully we can show the same spirit we showed late last week.
GReat mark & goal for Charlie
The best team lost :(
Not a lot to complain about. We pushed another top 4 team to the max, umpires didn't decide the game, our young guys showed a bit again, older guys led like leaders should, we went clearance for clearance against the best in the business. Plus with an ounce of luck and pinch of class, we could have won!!
Charlie Curnow's injury probably cost us the game, that and a lack of polish.
We never lose our self belief these days which is our biggest improvement this season, but we are still four or five skilled players short of a good side.
I was proud of our team today, they really had no right getting that close.
We missed Charlie in the last. The Swans defenders could double and triple team Casboult knowing that there wasn't another marking option. I reckon that contributed to some of the long kicks at goal; there weren't many other options.
I just had a quick look at the team stats and they are remarkably close. A draw would have been a fitting result.
Just roared down the highway from Mackay to Rockhampton towing the van to get to a c.park that was the only one with a site available, planning to find a club/pyb with Foxtel but as I set up I hear the game being played. The bloke in the next site is a Swans supporter so left the setting up to the missus and joined him watching his computer screen. Could not believe my luck. The Blues going well and the bloke is very convivial, gets to 8 minutes to go and the computer battery runs out - end of show and the start of a new show as he pays out on his wife for flattening the battery reading a book earlier on. I crept away. Thanks for the final score.
Charlie Curnow: so near, yet so far. Didn't get many disposals, but he ALMOST got heaps. That little extra experience and strength, and who knows?
Dylan Buckley: how can a guy who has been in the system as long as he has still run out of juice at half time? I know I've said it before, but he was really good early. yet he finished with a handful of possessions. It p*sses me off big time, because he looked seriously dangerous in the first half.
Jack Silvagni was pretty quiet today. He didn't appear to get much room or many opportunities. He will learn from it.
Fantastic signs of belief, confidence, tenacity, and undying effort. Don't have the polish to score (yet). Like last week, can't fault their system or endeavor.
Giving two of the big boys a good shake consecutive weeks is a win for mine.
Not sure how today's result compares with the last couple against Sydney, but I'm guessing there's little to compare. Looks lime the crêpe of yesterday is dead and gone ;D
Go Blues
I'll make a big call.... If Charlie had of played the game out we would have won. At least he has a clue how to play forward and has a bit of the x factor needed to win those type of game.
I'll make a big call.... If Charlie had of played the game out we would have won. At least he has a clue how to play forward and has a bit of the x factor needed to win those type of game.
No doubt we would have won having another target down there.
A really poor 3rd quarter probably cost us the game in the end.
Thought we competed really well, especially with Curnow going down, and Rampe and Grundy completely shutting down Silvagni and Casboult.
Backline again worked well together lead by Dougherty, Simpson and Rowe who I thought held up well against Franklin. I think that the settled backline is the answer to the question, why not give KJ a week down back? No need to, we want a settled back 6.
I think we definitely need a better forward target than Levi unfortunately. Replacing him and Kerridge with better would make a big difference IMO. Not the full answer but a fair way towards it.
Lods nailed it... the best team didn't win!
t agree re the loss of Curnow - it allowed the Swans to clamp down on our other 'forwards'.
A lot to like though. If you'd told pre-game that me we'd win 3 quarters and run the swans to the end I'd have been happy. But we still had so many chances and didn't get it done so that hurts... and it bloody well should. Plus I put a cheeky $50 on the boys at $11 and an unlikely win would've kept me in gin for at least a few weeks. Definitely building something though.
@cookie2, Kerridge seemed to have played out most of the 2nd half with only one good arm after copping that shoulder knock
@cookie2, Kerridge seemed to have played out most of the 2nd half with only one good arm after copping that shoulder knock
Understand that Zed and it was a pretty brave effort for sure. However, my opinion is based not only on this but this and all the other games I've seen him play for us. He's not top drawer, he does not damage the opposition enough and he makes too many errors - we need better.
Just watching a bit of the delayed telecast and saw Boekhourst(not sure of spelling) MASSIVE chase and tackle in the 3rd. Others could have/would have given up seeing how far in the clear the swans player was. Awesome to see.
And I love The forward pressure of SOJ.
@cookie2, Kerridge seemed to have played out most of the 2nd half with only one good arm after copping that shoulder knock
I think Kerridge came back on at 3/4 time. Apparently Bolton said that our young players have to learn to play through pain and Kerridge may have been the first to do so. I thought he did OK considering one arm was stuffed.
The problem is that our second tier players didn't do enough and Sydney's second tier were a lot better. That's Kerridge (who was OK), Sumner (a lot better than last week), Buckley, Boekhorst (OK), Graham (not bad), Silvagni, Armfield, Phillips, White (OK), Plowman and C Curnow (OK). That just places too much pressure on the first tier players.
Just watching a bit of the delayed telecast and saw Boekhourst(not sure of spelling) MASSIVE chase and tackle in the 3rd. Others could have/would have given up seeing how far in the clear the swans player was. Awesome to see.
And I love The forward pressure of SOJ.
Is there an award for "Chase of the Year"?
It was a great effort by Boekhorst and I think his overall performance was pretty good. I'd like to see him be more involved in the game.
I said pre-game that anything inside 10-goals would be considered a win for us so falling short by just six points feels like a four-goal win to me !!
I got two phone calls just before 3/4 time giving me a snapshot of what had transpired to that point in the match, I was ecstatic to hear Boekhorst gave Xavier Richard a 20m head start and chased him from 50m to 50m and ended up tackling and winning a free kick. That is exactly the sort of stuff I want to see or hear about, that is character building and clearly shows that there is a new ethos amongst the plying group regardless of talent. Good one young Blaine, you may yet win me over with that sort of stuff !!!
I listened to the last quarter on ABC radio here in Sydney and it was obvious that we had all of the play but couldn't find a way to kick the necessary goals to win it. It also appeared that we got stiffed badly on a handful of crucial umpiring decisions too !!
Post-match, the commentators highlighted the fact that we had all of the play but lacked some composure under pressure and focussed on the fact we lacked a big tall forward who could take a mark up forward.
Young players will learn from that experience so the composure issue will be addressed over time.
However, and I know people will say 'here we go again', but we need to unearth two big gorillas for the forward line who can and will take those crucial pack marks and then convert. It is the sole reason why I have been banging on like I have for years, today illustrates why big men are worth their wait in gold, they stand up and win you tight matches.
Overall, this was expected to be a belting yet our players showed a level of fight & determination that all Blues supporters should be proud of. We are going places, we just have to be patient whilst we assemble the right cattle.
@cookie2, Kerridge seemed to have played out most of the 2nd half with only one good arm after copping that shoulder knock
Good effort to play out the game, but he was clearly inconvenienced. :( Certainly not a great game. Hopefully he will be OK for next week.
@sheik...
When was the last game you actually got to see us play?
Grundy gave Levi a bath and our forward set up failed badly as a result.
Bugger. Just finished watching the delayed telecast and am actually pretty gutted.
Makes for a good comparison with Hawthorn who just have that touch of class when it matters.
Couple of times in the last, the ball was just centimetres from bouncing/tapping/rolling to our advantage but we just don't have the confidence and finesse to 'make it happen'. Also not sure why our forwards are allowed to be pulled off the ball in marking contests but, oh well.
Like most others, I'm a big fan of E. Curnow's workrate and g&d, but twice in the last quarter he needed to hit his target but the kicks were poorly weighted and not directed to the advantageous side of his teammate allowing the Swans an easy spoil. As mentioned, often it's these degrees of measure which make all the difference.
Grundy gave Levi a bath and our forward set up failed badly as a result.
Agree...Levi was out of touch and dropped a few easy marks and is lacking confidence.....
Josh Kennedy seems to save his best for us too.....broke too many tackles and was the reason they won IMO.
Thought we tried hard but when Charile Curnow went down we were lacking forward marking targets and couldnt keep the pressure
on the Swans who didnt impress me other than their usual star players...
Their defense looks rubbery pity we we didnt have enough equipment down forward to expose them....
Gibbs was great especially in the 1st half, Cripps consistent and I thought both Kruezer and Philips held sway in the ruck early but after half time
the ruck duels evened up and we lost some edge in that area...
I said pre-game that anything inside 10-goals would be considered a win for us so falling short by just six points feels like a four-goal win to me !!
I got two phone calls just before 3/4 time giving me a snapshot of what had transpired to that point in the match, I was ecstatic to hear Boekhorst gave Xavier Richard a 20m head start and chased him from 50m to 50m and ended up tackling and winning a free kick. That is exactly the sort of stuff I want to see or hear about, that is character building and clearly shows that there is a new ethos amongst the plying group regardless of talent. Good one young Blaine, you may yet win me over with that sort of stuff !!!
I listened to the last quarter on ABC radio here in Sydney and it was obvious that we had all of the play but couldn't find a way to kick the necessary goals to win it. It also appeared that we got stiffed badly on a handful of crucial umpiring decisions too !!
Post-match, the commentators highlighted the fact that we had all of the play but lacked some composure under pressure and focussed on the fact we lacked a big tall forward who could take a mark up forward.
Young players will learn from that experience so the composure issue will be addressed over time.
However, and I know people will say 'here we go again', but we need to unearth two big gorillas for the forward line who can and will take those crucial pack marks and then convert. It is the sole reason why I have been banging on like I have for years, today illustrates why big men are worth their wait in gold, they stand up and win you tight matches.
Overall, this was expected to be a belting yet our players showed a level of fight & determination that all Blues supporters should be proud of. We are going places, we just have to be patient whilst we assemble the right cattle.
Getting within a goal of a top four side isn't a bad effort - but it's not a win >:(
In terms of our development and future prospects, our last two games have probably shown more promise than some of our wins.
Playing two gorillas would be turning the clock back; few teams play one gorilla these days. I reckon Casboult and McKay will provide plenty of headaches for key defenders, particularly with Charlie as third tall, Jack as an opportunistic lead up forward, a yet to be recruited gun small forward and with Murphy, Cripps, Gibbs, Kerridge, Wright, Boekhorst and Armfield spending time in the forward line.
I think the better team won - fair is fair. They were cleaner and better for longer, a few of their stars stood up when it mattered. They had enough shots on goal for a 3 or 4 goal win.
And I would argue Buddy was probably the difference in the end.
Very happy with the boys - they really leave it all out there. Apart from Murphy (edit : and maybe Jones), that's probably our best 22.
We look better with more running players and pace. Graham needs to do a lot better inside to keep getting a game as his disposals don't hurt. He lays a lot of tackles but he needs to work on making his possessions count.
Grundy gave Levi a bath and our forward set up failed badly as a result.
Yes. Levi really struggled today and had very little impact. He found it very difficult to get any run at the ball.
Our forward line might work a bit better if Charlie Curnow had remained. He was looking dangerous, even though he wasn't grabbing his marks.
I think Silvagni struggled because of our forward method: we struggled to find space and didn't or couldn't lower their eyes. Mind you, I cannot recall seeing anyone really lead like they meant it. Nor could we get anything over the back. It was nice, however, to see a few crumbing goals.
Plenty of "little green shoots" today, could have been a shalacking today (like last week also could have been), but they fought it out, very happy
Agree...Levi was out of touch and dropped a few easy marks and is lacking confidence.....
Josh Kennedy seems to save his best for us too.....broke too many tackles and was the reason they won IMO.
Thought we tried hard but when Charile Curnow went down we were lacking forward marking targets and couldnt keep the pressure
on the Swans who didnt impress me other than their usual star players...
Their defense looks rubbery pity we we didnt have enough equipment down forward to expose them....
Gibbs was great especially in the 1st half, Cripps consistent and I thought both Kruezer and Philips held sway in the ruck early but after half time
the ruck duels evened up and we lost some edge in that area...
The Swans missed McVeigh!
Great game from Kreuzer today. Naismith and Sinclair were well ahead in hitouts won in the first half but Kreuzer closed the gap in the second. We all know about his second efforts and clearances but he takes it to another level when he holds his marks and hits the scoreboard. Phillips wasn't as good as he has been but he's a long term prospect. The Swans' mids picked up their workrate and dominated the clearances in the third despite their rucks only breaking even. Our mids worked their way back in front late in the third and were level pegging in the last.
Very happy with the boys - they really leave it all out there. Apart from Murphy (edit : and maybe Jones), that's probably our best 22.
Thomas easily gets a game, he's probably in our best 10 or 12.
Throw in Byrne and we look a lot better but we won't have him for a while, Everitt in form would play and so would Walker, but we sadly lack a consistent forward target.
Gees I wouldn't mind being able to snag the likes of Heeney or Mills for a late first round pick.
Or SOJ in the 50's :)
Needed a second key forward to split up the defence. Levi won't beat them as the only one. Two would allow him to get up the ground more, take a few grabs, which suits him and helps him no end, as well as taking a defender with him. 6 from 7 with two keys forwards, and hit the scoreboard, zero from 10 with one where we struggle to hit it. Opens up the forward line so much more and provides more opportunity for everyone inside the 50.
Have criticised Gibbs a lot in the past, but thought his tackling and effort especially in the first half was excellent. See, you can do it Bryce if you put your mind to it.
Levi is completely out of form and a liability. But he does know how to fall over with style.
Agree with an earlier post, Dylan Buckley has got a 4 cylinder motor that runs out of steam very quickly.
Excellent effort from the boys.
Hope to see Harry Mac before too long and hope that Charlies injury isn't too bad. We have got some really good stuff at the club.
But there will definitely be another 8-10 player clean out at the end of the year.
A 14-16 finish will mean a decent draft pick.
Early prediction for next year.
WE WILL MAKE THE 8 ;D ;D ;D ;D
Thomas easily gets a game, he's probably in our best 10 or 12.
Throw in Byrne and we look a lot better but we won't have him for a while, Everitt in form would play and so would Walker, but we sadly lack a consistent forward target.
IMO :
Thomas at this point in his career is a honest trier, who very rarely shows flashes of class. Yes, I guess he is in our best 22 by default, but what I saw today, I don't think we missed him all that much.
Byrne, yes I suppose he is.
Everitt needs too much in favour to be useful week in week out.
Walker was horrible last year and not much better this year.
@sheik...
When was the last game you actually got to see us play?
I work most weekends now so I am not getting anywhere near as much as I used to.
I have to rely on the AFL app for the scores and/or radio broadcast, radio in the car on the way home or depending on the scheduled time of the match, I get the second half or last quarter on the FTA box. There's also the standard number of phone calls I get throughout the match to give me updates.
IMO :
Thomas at this point in his career is a honest trier, who very rarely shows flashes of class. Yes, I guess he is in our best 22 by default, but what I saw today, I don't think we missed him all that much.
Byrne, yes I suppose he is.
Everitt needs too much in favour to be useful week in week out.
Walker was horrible last year and not much better this year.
I agree with pretty much all of that except that I think you're selling Thomas a bit short, his game against Adelaide was only average but he's been in very good form this season.
Walker is only just turned 30 but he seems to be past his best for some reason, maybe football isn't as important to him as it once was.
Just watching a bit of the delayed telecast and saw Boekhourst(not sure of spelling) MASSIVE chase and tackle in the 3rd. Others could have/would have given up seeing how far in the clear the swans player was. Awesome to see.
And I love The forward pressure of SOJ.
Yes it was a real showcase of his speed and determination.
What was even more impressive from a team perspective was that Sumner was running in parallel, pressuring him on the inside. Excellent efforts.
Hey EB, what did you think of Boekhorst today?
Good effort from the lads gotta be happy with that considering three key position players are like 18 years old.
Hopefully Big Harry and Cunningham have a good game tomorrow and go in the game against the Hawks with five first year players.
Murphy will add polish to the team...when he is good to play. In the draft we go for a bunch of talented mids.
Hey EB, what did you think of Boekhorst today?
Good question Prof....did enough to get a name next week IMO, nice chase to run a player down, kicked an easy goal and managed to extract himself from traffic a couple times to set up play.
Saying all that he is still yet to convince me he is the real deal to get another contract but didnt do his chances any harm vs a team that do contest well and dont give up space for players like Boekhorst to sneak out on there own and use their pace to carry the ball. Given we lack a player or two who have some natural flair and X factor I hope he makes it..
Couple of other 50/50 players:
Dylan Buckley....like BB probably did enough to get another game next week....nice snap goal, 4 tackles and about a dozen possies...nothing outstanding and he did miss a couple of tackles including a bad one early where Josh kennedy kicked a goal after Buckley couldnt tackle and bring him down...
Nick Graham...workrate wasnt bad, 10 tackles but his impact as a mid playmaker was negligible, he just doesnt cause enough damage with his disposals ...
I thought Boeky was ok, we don't exactly have a heap of players on the list that can play his role.
I thought Boeky was ok, we don't exactly have a heap of players on the list that can play his role.
Wasn't really an outside runner's type of game today. He wasn't bad but he'd want to go a bit better than that next week. A few times I see him get worried about his opponent when he should be focusing on getting the ball.
Great run-down chase down the back flank though. That's the sort of stuff that gets the team going. Only one highlight but it was a big one.
BB, despite recognising the positives, was certainly not getting too excited about today's effort according to the post match presser. Emphasised again that we need to be better for longer and was critical of our 3Q effort. The culture is certainly being established particularly in terms of expected work rate. We just need to inject some more better quality talent now!
Looking over game again, I think that there were 22 players today who looked interested, committed, determined and 'team first' focused. The fact that we have players of varying abilities, some who are not up to 'premiership' standard, at this stage is irrelevant. That's where our improvement has come this year. The next set of players who arrive will have a set of 'non negotiables' of a high standard that we have not seen for years.
Happy days are coming.
He's me expecting a proper flogging and instead, we took it right up to the flag favourites (IMO). Murphy plays or Curnow doesnt get hurt and we probably win. Only saw the first half and abit of the 3rd, will watch the replay today but I liked what I saw. Effort and desperation, Sumners goal off the ground and pace to get to it were sublime. If he can get himself fit, look out. A cracking start to the game was the key I reckon, from the first bounce, we matched them in every dept except a big key fwd to stand up and kick a mini bag ie Buddy). Not a win but feels like one.
We're not the only side to struggle with this but we really lack chunky, strong, fast players... all our pacy blokes are little light blokes like Boeky, Sumner and Buckley and we don't have a match for the likes of Heeney, that fast, explosive burst kind of player. Heeney killed us in the third and our blokes with pace couldn't match his strength or attack on the ball.
Swans are light on for outside run IMO and looked far better with Heeney up the ground.
Oh GITC, a lot of Buddy's goals were from smart forward play, but gees he cheats and sneaks forward of the contest a lot and score easy goals as a result. I thought a lot of Swan's scoring opportunities came from space created by questionable err "handballs" across F50 arc, it craps me no end when sides get away with that.
We're not the only side to struggle with this but we really lack chunky, strong, fast players... all our pacy blokes are little light blokes like Boeky, Sumner and Buckley and we don't have a match for the likes of Heeney, that fast, explosive burst kind of player. Heeney killed us in the third and our blokes with pace couldn't match his strength or attack on the ball.
Swans are light on for outside run IMO and looked far better with Heeney up the ground.
Oh GITC, a lot of Buddy's goals were from smart forward play, but gees he cheats and sneaks forward of the contest a lot and score easy goals as a result. I thought a lot of Swan's scoring opportunities came from space created by questionable err "handballs" across F50 arc, it craps me no end when sides get away with that.
And that's why I'd like to see Billy Gowers get a game; he's hard, fast and a good size.
@Prof
It was very noticeable that we really struggled to lay effective tackles on the likes of Kennedy, Heeney and Parker.
Oh GITC, a lot of Buddy's goals were from smart forward play, but gees he cheats and sneaks forward of the contest a lot and score easy goals as a result. I thought a lot of Swan's scoring opportunities came from space created by questionable err "handballs" across F50 arc, it craps me no end when sides get away with that.
He gets out the back because he's smart. He's is a 197cm version of Rioli or Betts, quick and agile for his size and uses it to get out the back. Easy, cheap goals? Who cares, goals a goal.
Cunningham is another bigger faster ball carrier as well.
And that's why I'd like to see Billy Gowers get a game; he's hard, fast and a good size.
x2....Cripps doesnt really chase so we need another bigger mid who can play on and bring down the likes of Kennedy....
I know his form has tapered in the twos but I'd like to see him in the team and given a few games...
Cunningham is another bigger faster ball carrier as well.
Pacy but not overly big at 183cm, 80kg...its funny as that is 6ft tall and in years gone by he would have been seen as a decent height but in todays footy thats about the minimum entry level size.
He is in that group with Boekhorst, Tutt, Buckley who all have decent leg speed, evasive skills but lack physical strength and I think vs the Swans we missed some key tackles on players like Kennedy and Heeney purely because our players didnt have the body strength , size to bring them down...
Pacy but not overly big at 183cm, 80kg...its funny as that is 6ft tall and in years gone by he would have been seen as a decent height but in todays footy thats about the minimum entry level size.
He is in that group with Boekhorst, Tutt, Buckley who all have decent leg speed, evasive skills but lack physical strength and I think vs the Swans we missed some key tackles on players like Kennedy and Heeney purely because our players didnt have the body strength , size to bring them down...
Billy Gowers isn't that big at 184cm and 81kg but he looks bigger and hits hard.
Billy Gowers isn't that big at 184cm and 81kg but he looks bigger and hits hard.
We definitely need a couple of really hard hitters - make those tackles stick and put some doubts into the minds of opposition ball carriers.
Look forward to Harry McKay playing next year. Although he'll still be well short of developed he'll certainly play some decent footy. He'll have Levi's big body with him to take the heat of the defence, which will help heaps. Levi will be eventually superseded by McKay and C.Curnow but for someone who was essentially the equivalent of pick 150, as 3rd round pick in the rookie draft, he has done a decent job holding up the key forward/ruck role while we develop other players.
I was most happy with our third quarter today. Sydney, who are a top 4 side, came out hard after half time and really put us to the sword. Yet we were able to withstand the onslaught and come back with two goals at the end that kept us in the game. This has been unthinkable over the past few seasons. Previously we would have just laid down and died when it got too hard. I look forward to having young fit guys having a real hard go. I think the future is bright.
I was most happy with our third quarter today. Sydney, who are a top 4 side, came out hard after half time and really put us to the sword. Yet we were able to withstand the onslaught and come back with two goals at the end that kept us in the game. This has been unthinkable over the past few seasons. Previously we would have just laid down and died when it got too hard. I look forward to having young fit guys having a real hard go. I think the future is bright.
Yes BM I thought we had done well there but BB wasn't happy and said we shouldn't have let them in! He's a hard charger alright.
Any news on Charlie's knee?
We definitely need a couple of really hard hitters - make those tackles stick and put some doubts into the minds of opposition ball carriers.
On this... Loved Rowe chasing (OK, so it was a a really short distance, but still) and driving the big Budweiser into the deck.
If Rowe can do it, I'm hopeful anyone can ;D
I doubt we'd have seen this in recent years. If I recall, we won the tackles against the best in the business.
Agree, some don't have the strength to stick tackles. We have a few of the light-on type on the list. Would like to see us somehow land a strong body gutsy speedy Jack Steven type. He's averaging over 6 tackles this year.
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We definitely need a couple of really hard hitters - make those tackles stick and put some doubts into the minds of opposition ball carriers.
On this... Loved Rowe chasing (OK, so it was a a really short distance, but still) and driving the big Budweiser into the deck.
If Rowe can do it, I'm hopeful anyone can ;D
I doubt we'd have seen this in recent years. If I recall, we won the tackles against the best in the business.
Agree, some don't have the strength to stick tackles. We have a few of the Leigh on type on the list. Would like to see us somehow land a strong body gutsy speedy Jack Steven type. He's averaging over 6 tackles this year.
That really was a moment to enjoy :) Rowe may not lay too many tackles but those that does make really count.
I'm not too fussed about our tackles not sticking; plenty of Swan tackles didn't stick. I think we're not too bad for strength but we do need more speed.
IMO :
Thomas at this point in his career is a honest trier, who very rarely shows flashes of class. Yes, I guess he is in our best 22 by default, but what I saw today, I don't think we missed him all that much.
Byrne, yes I suppose he is.
Everitt needs too much in favour to be useful week in week out.
Walker was horrible last year and not much better this year.
Agreed Paul, If Daisy actually gave a toss about the club he would renegotiate his contract for the last year and shave $300k off it, because quite frankly he's taking the piss on that sort of coin. Just MO
Everitt will be back in for C Curnow. I also wouldn't mind L Jones having a crack. On paper its not close to our strongest side, but show me that sort of tenacity and consistency every week and i couldn't give a stuff who they select.
That really was a moment to enjoy :) Rowe may not lay too many tackles but those that does make really count.
I'm not too fussed about our tackles not sticking; plenty of Swan tackles didn't stick. I think we're not too bad for strength but we do need more speed.
We have to at least stick our tackles in our D50. Also, speed doesn't help when we turn the ball over then fail to tackle effectively.
So what of Curnow's knee? Hope the kid is ok?
Even though Buckley conked out - the addition of speed eg Buckley, Boekhurst , Armfield, Sumner (will be a A grader if can get a full pre season) really lifted our tempo.
We looked 'switched on' for the first time in over 6 weeks (discounting Q4 v the Weagles).
Sure, a few tackles were missed but ditto the Swans.
Our pressure on the ball carrier was very, very good.
So what of Curnow's knee? Hope the kid is ok?
Even though Buckley conked out - the addition of speed eg Buckley, Boekhurst , Armfield, Sumner (will be a A grader if can get a full pre season) really lifted our tempo.
We looked 'switched on' for the first time in over 6 weeks (discounting Q4 v the Weagles).
Sure, a few tackles were missed but ditto the Swans.
Our pressure on the ball carrier was very, very good.
Sure, the addition of speed is great BUT we don't want to waste too much of it on chasing opposition arses. I don't care whether or not the Swans missed a few tackles - I don't want to see our guys doing it.
Sure, the addition of speed is great BUT we don't want to waste too much of it on chasing opposition arses. I don't care whether or not the Swans missed a few tackles - I don't want to see our guys doing it.
When we chase them like Boeky did, you get rewarded.
He has copped a lot of flack on the back of the controversial trade he was involved in, but give the kid a break, he goes alright and offers some much needed speed and puts in. We could use more like him. Just have a look at the difference Army made upon his return a few weeks back.
When we chase them like Boeky did, you get rewarded.
Best chase down I've ever seen by a Carlton player, could you imagine Yarran who is quicker doing that?
Going off topic here did anyone see how awesome Geelong's back line performed without Henderson on Saturday night?
Sydney is the rated first in tackles this season, we're 16th. Sydney were two below their average with 80 tackles and we were 23 above our average with 89. If we can continue to out tackle the best in the business, I won't be all that concerned about missed tackles.
I imagine that there's a correlation between tackles attempted and missed tackles.
When we chase them like Boeky did, you get rewarded.
He has copped a lot of flack on the back of the controversial trade he was involved in, but give the kid a break, he goes alright and offers some much needed speed and puts in. We could use more like him. Just have a look at the difference Army made upon his return a few weeks back.
Did not mention Boeky and whilst we're on the subject, yes his chase down and tackle were impressive. Army is also making a very valuable contribution, no argument on him. Why do you see my comments as an attack on those two?
Sure, the addition of speed is great BUT we don't want to waste too much of it on chasing opposition arses. I don't care whether or not the Swans missed a few tackles - I don't want to see our guys doing it.
Missed...gives the indication we didnt lay a finger on them, the truth is we couldnt make them stick and they broke the tackles without too much problem..
Missed...gives the indication we didnt lay a finger on them, the truth is we couldnt make them stick and they broke the tackles without too much problem..
Agree, that's what I was getting at. Just one example is Kennedy, admittedly a bit of a bull, who broke out out our attempted tackles with seeming ease a number of times. We need to stick our tackles especially close in to the stoppage or contested ball. Once the ball gets out to the runners and playmakers in a talented side it is a lot more difficult to defend against and we can waste a lot of energy having to chase them down - energy that we could be using to attack them.
Did not mention Boeky and whilst we're on the subject, yes his chase down and tackle were impressive. Army is also making a very valuable contribution, no argument on him. Why do you see my comments as an attack on those two?
You mentioned speed and chasing arses.....it reminded me of that tackle and how well Army has done since coming back. Both have speed and can chase.
Wasn't attacking you, just following on from your train of thought.
You mentioned speed and chasing arses.....it reminded me of that tackle and how well Army has done since coming back. Both have speed and can chase.
Wasn't attacking you, just following on from your train of thought.
Actually, and I haven't looked up any stats on this, I would put Army up as one of our stronger tacklers. His tackles seem to stick.
Actually, and I haven't looked up any stats on this, I would put Army up as one of our stronger tacklers. His tackles seem to stick.
Don't know the best way of interpreting the stats, but Army is ranked 21st for both total and average tackles this season. Ed Curnow and Cripps are 1 and 2 for both total and average. Curnow 7.2 tackles per game. That's pretty impressive. Priddis is the league's leading tackler - 142 tackles over 16 games, 8.8 per game.
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/footy/player-statistics
Only tackle stats of interest are the amount made and the amount that were stuck causing stoppage or turnover.....if the player releases the ball to advantage when tackled then it isnt a successful tackle IMO...
Don't know the best way of interpreting the stats, but Army is ranked 21st for both total and average tackles this season. Ed Curnow and Cripps are 1 and 2 for both total and average. Curnow 7.2 tackles per game. That's pretty impressive. Priddis is the league's leading tackler - 142 tackles over 16 games, 8.8 per game.
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/footy/player-statistics
Yes Paul, as I say I just noticed that when Army does tackle they do seem to stick. I'm a bit surprised he's that far down the pecking order in terms of numbers but there you go.
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Actually, and I haven't looked up any stats on this, I would put Army up as one of our stronger tacklers. His tackles seem to stick.
Its because he grew up playing Rugby Union.
Best chase down I've ever seen by a Carlton player, could you imagine Yarran who is quicker doing that?
Going off topic here did anyone see how awesome Geelong's back line performed without Henderson on Saturday night?
Most of the commentary I've heard have stated that he's had a good season, and that he's been an excellent addition to the team. That hit he took a couple of weeks ago did his reputation no harm at all.
If Daisy had even half the positive impact Hendo's had...................
Most of the commentary I've heard have stated that he's had a good season, and that he's been an excellent addition to the team. That hit he took a couple of weeks ago did his reputation no harm at all.
If Daisy had even half the positive impact Hendo's had...................
Exactly. Hendo has been an excellent addition to the Geelong defence. It's just unfortunate that he didn't show the same effort in his last season with us.
Exactly. Hendo has been an excellent addition to the Geelong defence. It's just unfortunate that he didn't show the same effort in his last season with us.
And that right there is why his reputation will always take a hit. >:(
Exactly. Hendo has been an excellent addition to the Geelong defence. It's just unfortunate that he didn't show the same effort in his last season with us.
We all knew he would.
Last season was as much about the players losing faith in the club as it was anything else.
When the club calls season over in round 3 there is not much you can say about guys who revert to just going and then walk out at the end of the year, but it does tell you about their desire or lack of it which is why none of them will ever win a flag.
Interesting enough last year when the going got tough the tough got going and got rough, thinking of Kreuzer, Ed Curnow, Patrick cripps and a few others who are with us. I think the blokes who should be most worried about their future with us are those that went missing last season.
We all knew he would.
Last season was as much about the players losing faith in the club as it was anything else.
When the club calls season over in round 3 there is not much you can say about guys who revert to just going and then walk out at the end of the year, but it does tell you about their desire or lack of it which is why none of them will ever win a flag.
Interesting enough last year when the going got tough the tough got going and got rough, thinking of Kreuzer, Ed Curnow, Patrick cripps and a few others who are with us. I think the blokes who should be most worried about their future with us are those that went missing last season.
I didn't understand this post the first time I read it, but after reading it a couple of times, I finally understood what you meant and I concur 1000%. I watched a doco/series on Anna Meares on the weekend (she is a sporting hero of mine) and her old coach made a statement along the lines of "you are only as good as your worst day" meaning flashes of brilliance every now and then amount to nothing if you are very ordinary the rest of the time. This applies to the three that left us.
Most of the commentary I've heard have stated that he's had a good season, and that he's been an excellent addition to the team. That hit he took a couple of weeks ago did his reputation no harm at all.
If Daisy had even half the positive impact Hendo's had...................
Over their careers, I'd say Daisy has put his body on the line resulting injury a hell of a lot more than Hendo. In fact, it was the first time I have ever seen mummies boy go back with the flight and I have watched him plenty over the years. About time.
Hendo is going OK at the Cats and he knows that he has to if he wants to keep his spot and be a success there. He can't afford to slacken off else he 'll be out. He wasn't worried about that with us because he actually wanted out. OK, he annoyed us for that attitude but comparing his efforts now with his final year with us is a bit pointless IMO.
Interesting point GITC, does one therefore judge a player on their best game, their worst game or their "average" (given that average performance is an abstract concept and that the previous two states are what is delivered in reality?)... what they are capable of or what they normally deliver?
Interesting point GITC, does one therefore judge a player on their best game, their worst game or their "average" (given that average performance is an abstract concept and that the previous two states are what is delivered in reality?)... what they are capable of or what they normally deliver?
I think its probably a combination of:
1. Minimizing the gap between your best and your worst;
2. Performing at the higher end for longer and consistently.
Yarran for example, quick and extremely talented agreed?. His best was elite, his worst was abhorrent (IMO). Over his career thus far, he has probably had what one good year? If he didnt have the off field distractions and had the dedication of a Chris Judd? We would be talking about Yarran as a 1 in a 100 year player.
I didn't understand this post the first time I read it, but after reading it a couple of times, I finally understood what you meant and I concur 1000%. I watched a doco/series on Anna Meares on the weekend (she is a sporting hero of mine) and her old coach made a statement along the lines of "you are only as good as your worst day" meaning flashes of brilliance every now and then amount to nothing if you are very ordinary the rest of the time. This applies to the three that left us.
Shouldn't a player be judged over their entire career, rather than cherry picking a good or bad game here and there ?
Hendo was a former top 10 pick, who apart from last year, gave us good service. The Cats were prepared to offer a future 1st rounder to secure him, and his first season with them has been positively reviewed. He wasn't the only one who stunk it up last year and looked like they'd rather be elsewhere.
Shouldn't a player be judged over their entire career, rather than cherry picking a good or bad game here and there ?
Hendo was a former top 10 pick, who apart from last year, gave us good service. The Cats were prepared to offer a future 1st rounder to secure him, and his first season with them has been positively reviewed. He wasn't the only one who stunk it up last year and looked like they'd rather be elsewhere.
All I am saying he didn't really set the world on fire for us, not talking just about his sookie sookie la la year, his whole time with us. Very up and down, bullied weaker opponents, didnt do much against the better ones. Just IMO.