Scott still doesn't get it! Geelong isn't overrated, he underestimated our ability to apply sustained pressure and, more importantly, underestimated our coach's ability to develop and implement a match winning strategy.
I can't remember seeing a team that was so relentless with it's tackling. One passage of play that stands out is the string of hard, effective tackles that led to Gorringe's intercept mark and goal.
In years gone by we wouldn't have maintained that pressure beyond one or two tackles and an honourable attempt.
If Scott was honest, he would have admitted that his team wilted under our relentless pressure and continuous effort.
Like many around him, the bloke needs time to gain confidence and learn the speed of the game at senior level.....the guy's played 24 senior games Clearly lost his way at GC, maybe injury, loss of confidence.....
From all reports, an elite runner and a hard match up aerobically given his stature.....
From the GC web site:
A WIP?
I think so FB. I'd like to see him develop as a tall utility with the ability to stretch opponents both aerobically and in the air.
Agree...reading through his presser, the Cats have lost to two ordinary teams who in his words are no scoring juggernauts... Sore loser who had our game pencilled in as a win.....his blokes were out worked, are inaccurate in front of goal and are not that good...hope he is enjoying Lachie Henderson's footy this season... Like to see both Scott brothers out in straight sets at finals time.....
Yes, a simple "We were outplayed by the better team on the day" would have been appropriate before focusing on why his team sucked. I seem to remember a coach who started almost every presser with "We played a very good team today"
I don't expect opposition coaches to sing our praises but failing to acknowledge the winning team is not part of our sporting ethos.
200cm, 100kg - he's hardly an in between size! With respect.
Gorringe can't hold position against opposition ruckmen and is too easily brushed aside in contests. If he is going to play mainly as a ruckman, he has to be bigger and stronger. He is most suited to playing as a tall half forward, as was his stated position in the pre-season.
Take your point Cookie however Robbo by default is probably their most prolific ball winner at the minute and seems to get an extra zing in his game when he plays us and I'd like to see him worried more about getting a kick against Ed than trying to line up our blokes and put them off their game...
It's hard to see who else would justify having a run with player, Hanley perhaps?
I suspect that Ed on Robbo is certainly under consideration. Ed's ability to win his own ball and make good use of it would have Robbo worrying about more than just getting a kick.
Bryce Gibbs’ sparkling performance against Geelong on Sunday hasn’t gone unnoticed, with the midfielder receiving a perfect 10 in the AFL coaches’ votes.
The 27-year-old took control in the centre when his captain was sidelined with an ankle injury after quarter time, collecting more than 30 vital disposals in the Blues 19-point victory over the Cats.
‘Gibba’ had 34 touches, 13 of which were contested, eight tackles and nine clearances, not to mention kicking two goals at critical stages of the game.
In the last four weeks Gibbs has averaged just over 30 possessions and booted 6 goals, becoming one of the Blues most damaging midfielders.
There’s no doubt the former No. 1 pick is relishing his time under Brendon Bolton; in Round 8 against Port Adelaide Gibbs also received 10 votes, and in Round 6’s clash with Essendon he was best on ground with nine votes.
In the overall ranking for the award Gibbs now sits in fourth position on 40 votes, behind leader Dan Hannebery (Syd) on 49 votes, Todd Goldstein (North) 47 votes and Patrick Dangerfield (Gee) 44 votes.
I think that BB has had an easier time changing the culture of the playing group than anyone would have changing the culture of this forum.
For instance when I read in the post game thread someone congratulating White on his excellent play but then going on to say that we'll be better when he leaves.
I had a chuckle at that myself
If White can continue to play like he did in the last quarter, he'll be a monty for a new contract.
Levi hasn't had a big year in the ruck, that is certain. I wouldn't be expecting too much of him in that department for a while yet. To be honest, I can't believe he played on Sunday and got through the game.
That said, Levi is never a huge goal kicker. He appears to play better when he starts further away from goals and moves around. Not as any opportunities to miss. Gorringe, on the other hand, has shown he has the mobility to get on the end of things. Some of his goals have been from pretty close range: good football that he is there and his opponent is not.
I can't see Levi playing in the ruck unless we're forced to play him there because of injuries. He does his best work monstering defenders as well as providing a marking target up the ground. Even when he doesn't take the grab, the opposition rarely get possession and that's really all you want from a key forward - apart from a couple of goals.
Gorringe seems to be an in between size, not really big or strong enough to to be a genuine ruckman or key forward. He moves well and his goal from the square was the result of hard running and reading the play well. I'm not sure where he should play. Perhaps he could be something of a Blicavs type with too much height for blokes able to match his mobility.
Not a short memory at all Krud. Mick took a team that was premiership favorite at one stage the year before. A team that had Betts, Waite, Garlett, Yarran and Walker firing under Yarran and turned them into a completely noncompetitive unit. A team Mick claimed was ready to challenge, the board claimed was ready to challenge and to be honest a list most people thought was firing until a horrible injury run.
Under Pagan our list was pretty awful for a long time and things we were dreadful, particularly towards the end, I am more than aware of that and don't need reminding as if to suggest I am overlooking that period at all, I doubt any Carlton supporter over 25 could possible ever forget that period.
Now I am not into all the debates that I have no doubt happen on this site about Mick and whether he was the problem or not, so I don't know people's opinions.
But I have mine.
Through the last 20 years we have had a number of people have absolutely horrible impacts on Carlton. John Elliot Ian Collins Dennis Pagan
Are just a few (Sticks and a few of his tight knit cronies also were more bad than good unfortunately)
But number one to me and by a very long margin... Is our previous coach. He ruined what was a very competitive list, ruined the chance to challenge in Judd's final years, seen good players turn absolutely awful. He had zero idea how to play a game plan to the strengths of our team and oversaw the departure of our entire forward line.
Bolton (imo) is absolutely categorically the reason for this turnaround. The player ARE buying into his message and this team is playing much better than I have seen in a long time and better than it EVER played under Malthouse, including the Richmond final.
Watching the team for the first time since the days of Ratts, it felt like we had extra players on the ground, we got more players to all the contests, something I have rued forever when we are on the receiving end of that. Now you don't have to think this is down to Bolton and no down all the assistants play their part, but I am 100% sure that if this team was led by Malthouse right now we would be at best 1 win from the first 10 (which is about where most pundits would have had us at the start of the season) and that is based on the exposed form from the last few years.
As for SOS, I don't have any doubt he has been doing his job and a few of the young guys he has brought in have done well. But it is the re-invigoration of the older players (we still have an old list on average age) that really sees us 5-5, though yes I do think SOS has done a great job
Nailed it MIO. Fifteen of the blokes who took the field on Sunday were running around last year and all of them are playing better footy than they have for a while. Bolton has made a huge difference, not only to the playing group but to the club as a whole.
I could go on a rant about the simplistic view that it was always the players' fault but I'd rather just celebrate the fact that we have a coach who knows what he is doing, is getting the best out of our list, and will not be satisfied until our best is even better.
I'm one of the few who thought his little holiday was deserved. He seems to have put some more thought into how he goes about it. Good for him.
I thought the penalty was stiff but it was a crude tackle. I'm not sure what motivated the tackle but the aggression he is playing with this year is contrived and measured. While Gibbs said that he decided to be more aggressive in order to be more involved in the game, I suspect that the coaching panel has both encouraged him and tutored him in how far to go.
Be a tough game as in tough...Robbo and the Lions think we are a bit soft judging by our past games and I expect plenty of hard tackling and Bryce Gibbs to be a target....
I reckon that teams who think we are soft are in for a shock. As Levi said, teams that underestimate us do so at their peril.
It is a real turnaround and I'd like to know where WADA sits on angry pills. Or perhaps Bolton has just let the boys of the leash when it comes looking after each other.