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There's a band i like, that nobody has ever heard of called The Zutons. The only song people seem to know is one that Amy Winehouse did a cover of - Valerie, but there is plenty worth listening too.

One of my favourites is called Pressure Point.

When watching Carlton play over the last 20-odd games, there is a section that comes to mind which i think would be good for backing music in a highlight reel see below. (I've started at the part of note in this instance)

https://youtu.be/mLPJy1VS27U?si=NIolldfnPwG3M0_8&t=84

So with the above in mind....

Pressure acts. A stat that doesn't get much attention, but all hell breaks loose when you are lacking in that area, not least of which is the pressure on the coach intensifies. Its been no secret that the more you pressure your opponent, the better off you will be, in terms of the contest and the overall result.

So how have we gone so far this season and who is getting the job done? Looking at last 2 weeks for a start.

A few people have suggested that Hollands has been down on form and Cunners has been underperforming as well.

Personally i've been happy with both and i was looking through some stats to see if my eyes were telling the truth. They were.


FWIW, Carlton had 296 pressure acts. Richmond had 293.

Best for carlton....
Newman (24)
Hewett (23)
Cripps (22)
Hollands (19)
Cuningham (17)

McKay (17)
Acres (16)
Cerra (15)

Last week it was Carlton 279 vs Lions 264
Last week, the best for Carlton was....
Cerra (30)
Hollands (29)
Cuningham (18)
Hewett (17)
Kennedy (16)
Fogarty (16)

So total so far....
Hollands (48)
Cerra (45)
Hewett (40)
Newman (37)
Cripps (36)
Cuningham (35)
Boyd (28)

So there it is, Thats my Zutons factor and highlighting a few boys that i think deserve some credit for their pressure.

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Reply #1
Yes, it's clear at the moment Hollands role has changed, as has the team emphasis on some match day tactics, I'm not sure what fans expect.

Too much of the individual player analysis is overly simplified and it leads to poor conclusions, Owies suffers the same fate, perhaps Cunningham also.

I get the fans, they have correctly identify that there are some players not racking up possessions or getting involved in chains of play like they were last season, but there is a reason for it and it doesn't mean the players aren't playing a good game. Maybe it's just a role that the fans do not expect.

Last season Hollands was a free spirit, this year, either as directed by Voss or as implemented by the opposition, he has become more accountable of his opponent.
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Reply #2
I think that this comment from Matt Cottrell is relevant:

"People don't come to the footy to watch a half-forward run his patterns. They come for Charlie Curnow, not a high half-forward whose job it is to connect with the winger. But it's a good role, it suits my game and the way I play.

I can get up and support the backs, then hopefully challenge my opponent going back to goal. But, to give credit to the club, they really value it. Internally, it's highly valued. It gives me a bit of motivation to keep doing it."

Supporters naturally pay more attention to the big name players and spectacular individual efforts (or errors).  The work done by lesser lights like Cottrell, Hollands, Cuningham, Fogarty, Owies, Fantasia and Boyd is often overlooked.
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

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Reply #3
So much goes unnoticed...but it is valued and noticed by the folks who count.
So if a player seems to be getting games when a more flashy player is missing out...consider that there is probably a very good reason. ;)

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Reply #4
Amy Winehouse, what a tragedy, what a loss!

It's the most important point of this thread, because pressure acts as they are collected can be widely varied from trailing a metre or two behind the ball carrier, to getting in an eyeline of a marking contest, a failed attempt to smother, or a full blown bump.
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Reply #5
Amy Winehouse, what a tragedy, what a loss!

It's the most important point of this thread, because pressure acts as they are collected can be widely varied from trailing a metre or two behind the ball carrier, to getting in an eyeline of a marking contest, a failed attempt to smother, or a full blown bump.

Amy Winehouse.....thats what you take out of this?

Personally couldn't give a stuff about her and her wasted life.

However, you want to argue about pressure stats now. As usual you misunderstand the point of them. Its a guide, a reference a relative measure.
It doesn't matter how accurate they are as they are as accurate for one player as they are for another player. If one player has heaps and another player doesn't, guess who provided more pressure?

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Reply #6
Amy Winehouse.....thats what you take out of this?

Personally couldn't give a stuff about her and her wasted life.

However, you want to argue about pressure stats now. As usual you misunderstand the point of them. Its a guide, a reference a relative measure.
It doesn't matter how accurate they are as they are as accurate for one player as they are for another player. If one player has heaps and another player doesn't, guess who provided more pressure?

That's a bit rough on Amy and those who appreciated her immense talent.

The thing with pressure acts is that they're nebulous.  As Matty Cottrell's comment implies, the people who matter at footy clubs value some player actions that many spectators - and commentators - may not even notice.  Some of those actions may be pressure acts, some may not.  Some pressure acts may be valued by coaches and MCs, many will not be.

Take Ollie Hollands' two spoils against Lynch, one of which resulted in clean possession to Hollands and a rebound 50.  I think I can safely assume that Vossy would be rapt with those two efforts.  He wouldn't be quite so happy with Cuners taking his opponent to the boundary line, then stopping because he thought the ball was out (it was, but the boundary umpire was unsighted).  Cuners is credited with a pressure act but his opponent gets balanced and kicks the ball downfield without any pressure.
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

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Reply #7
That's a bit rough on Amy and those who appreciated her immense talent.

The thing with pressure acts is that they're nebulous.  As Matty Cottrell's comment implies, the people who matter at footy clubs value some player actions that many spectators - and commentators - may not even notice.  Some of those actions may be pressure acts, some may not.  Some pressure acts may be valued by coaches and MCs, many will not be.

Take Ollie Hollands' two spoils against Lynch, one of which resulted in clean possession to Hollands and a rebound 50.  I think I can safely assume that Vossy would be rapt with those two efforts.  He wouldn't be quite so happy with Cuners taking his opponent to the boundary line, then stopping because he thought the ball was out (it was, but the boundary umpire was unsighted).  Cuners is credited with a pressure act but his opponent gets balanced and kicks the ball downfield without any pressure.

As i stated, i'm not saying they are the perfect stat, but if you want a rough guide on what players are doing that most supporters are not taking notice of, the pressure act stat is a good example. As mentioned, a player with a lot of pressure acts is clearly applying more pressure than a player with very little. You could argue individual numbers if you wish, but thats missing the point.

re Amy Winehouse....i did say its my opinion. Others can differ and thats fine.

I find it difficult to have sympathy for someone boasting about not going to rehab....and then dying because of it.

.....and i'm a huge Nirvana fan, so i understand some similarities with Kurt Cobain.

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Reply #8
Cottrells first two games this year doesn't indicate he has improved from last year but he is not alone on that.
Fogarty, Harry, Charlie have started the year well and above the personal best averages...Hollands, Cottrell, Owies, Cunningham way down and struggling to put teams away due to their below average output..

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Reply #9
The thing with pressure acts is that they're nebulous.  As Matty Cottrell's comment implies, the people who matter at footy clubs value some player actions that many spectators - and commentators - may not even notice.
Yep, I said as much about Owies deep running last season, while some want him dropped for not kicking goals every game.

However, I bet the coach and the team notice him just tens of seconds apart levelling up the numbers at both ends of the ground. Probably doesn't even get a stat for it, but it's worth far more than many of the AFL's so called "Pressure Acts!"

Same applies to Cottrell, sometimes you just have to work hard to close of space to be a contributor, he does it often but you won't see it on TV because it actually stops the ball going to where he is!

Yet if Cottrell and Owies hesitate in making the ground, they'll probably find themselves in a contest and get a "Pressure Act" or "Tackle" stat! ;)
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Reply #10
Cottrells first two games this year doesn't indicate he has improved from last year but he is not alone on that.
Fogarty, Harry, Charlie have started the year well and above the personal best averages...Hollands, Cottrell, Owies, Cunningham way down and struggling to put teams away due to their below average output..

And that’s where Vossy and the MC would disagree with you; Cottrell and his mates are doing exactly what’s required of them. 
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

 

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Reply #11
As i stated, i'm not saying they are the perfect stat, but if you want a rough guide on what players are doing that most supporters are not taking notice of, the pressure act stat is a good example. As mentioned, a player with a lot of pressure acts is clearly applying more pressure than a player with very little. You could argue individual numbers if you wish, but thats missing the point.

re Amy Winehouse....i did say its my opinion. Others can differ and thats fine.

I find it difficult to have sympathy for someone boasting about not going to rehab....and then dying because of it.

.....and i'm a huge Nirvana fan, so i understand some similarities with Kurt Cobain.

Last season Zac Fisher wasn’t laying tackles but his pressure acts were high.  He was dropped…
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

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Reply #12
Last season Zac Fisher wasn’t laying tackles but his pressure acts were high.  He was dropped…

Sure, and if his pressure acts were zero he never would've got a game

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Reply #13
I think that this comment from Matt Cottrell is relevant:

"People don't come to the footy to watch a half-forward run his patterns. They come for Charlie Curnow, not a high half-forward whose job it is to connect with the winger. But it's a good role, it suits my game and the way I play.

I can get up and support the backs, then hopefully challenge my opponent going back to goal. But, to give credit to the club, they really value it. Internally, it's highly valued. It gives me a bit of motivation to keep doing it."

Supporters naturally pay more attention to the big name players and spectacular individual efforts (or errors).  The work done by lesser lights like Cottrell, Hollands, Cuningham, Fogarty, Owies, Fantasia and Boyd is often overlooked.

I think I mentioned in the post-match post, that i didnt see Cunners out there v Tigs, but then he appeared in the top few in the player rating stats.   i reckon this would be due to  a) the above - he is doing so much that doesnt show up on the kicks/marks/handballs sheet  and  b) he did a lot of his good work in close, and hard to see from the grandstand

i saw someone mention on twitter that we have some ridiculous win/loss record, of late, with Cunners and Fog in the team - yet, they arent cyril rioli, so everyone assumes they are on the cusp of being dropped

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Reply #14
Fogarty is number 1 at Carlton for forward 50 pressure, number 1 in the AFL for forward 50 tackles and number 1 at Carlton for score assists.
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