Next Saturday afternoon on the MCG at 1345.
Things do not look good. A team of clowns who could beat my dead Grandmothers with an idiot for a coach destroyed by 10 goals. That says a lot, and none of it is good. Not when we come up against one of the premiership favourites at their preferred venue.
Jones will definitely be out. Kreuzer is no certainty. Our defence has a lot of holes in it. We are applying very little pressure, while other teams try to rough us up and the umpires let them get away with it.
Not looking forward to this one.
Next Saturday afternoon on the MCG at 1345.
Things do not look good. A team of clowns who could beat my dead Grandmothers with an idiot for a coach destroyed by 10 goals. That says a lot, and none of it is good. Not when we come up against one of the premiership favourites at their preferred venue.
Jones will definitely be out. Kreuzer is no certainty. Our defence has a lot of holes in it. We are applying very little pressure, while other teams try to rough us up and the umpires let them get away with it.
Not looking forward to this one.
We're playing a top side. It'll be a great fight with an honourable loss. That's the pattern.
We're playing a top side. It'll be a great fight with an honourable loss. That's the pattern.
That appears to be the best we can hope for and that isn't good enough.
Win this and it will be the 'stuff of legends'
Not sure what our backline is going to look like.
Fox team covering crows vs dockers just said Jones has been cleared of any structural damage and will be released from hospital shortly
But still looks unlikely he’ll play next week
Win this and it will be the 'stuff of legends'
Not sure what our backline is going to look like.
Scary without Jones...if Zurhaar can kick five then DeGoey will fancy his chances of a day out.....
Are we going to feed Stocker to the wolves and start him on Elliott or Stephenson.
I'd say Goddard will play his first game..probably on Ben Reid and Weitering will take Mihocek..
After today its odds on that Greenwood will pick up Cripps....
Fox team covering crows vs dockers just said Jones has been cleared of any structural damage and will be released from hospital shortly
But still looks unlikely he’ll play next week
Common sense says if you lay unconscious for a period following head trauma, you won't play an elite sport in 6 days time.
The club must exercise due diligence in such circumstances.
That we won't have a backline to compete in the AFL is neither here nor there.
Wishing big Jonesy a complete recovery and quick return to the side.
Jones won’t play. Too much risk and the medical community will probably have him do minimal training involving any contact over the next 2 weeks. It did look nasty and I am sure he will have a headache for a couple of days. Great to hear no major neck issues or structural damage to his skull.
I'm going next week.
Today I wanted to leave at quarter time.
I haven't left that early since 2003
I'm going next week.
Today I wanted to leave at quarter time.
I haven't left that early since 2003
Thankfully, i'll have to work. Its been locked in for a couple of weeks now. Gives me an excuse not to go.
Pies are due for a loss....
...but it's at least 2 weeks away.
You know....it's a longshot
But it isn't totally out of the question.
If a side doesn't come mentally in the right frame of mind they can be beaten.
Just ask Weitering how important it is to be switched on
You know....it's a longshot
But it isn't totally out of the question.
If a side doesn't come mentally in the right frame of mind they can be beaten.
Just ask Weitering how important it is to be switched on
True...Pies may manage a few players this week and get a bit cocky...
....could forget to rock up before half time and will win by ten goals.
....could forget to rock up before half time and will win by ten goals.
You are funny. The Hawks forgot to turn up to a game and give us a six goal lead before we lost momentum. I seriously hope we don’t get flogged by more than 10 goals. Pies have the capacity to make that happen. Definitely better than North. A hell of a lot bettering drilled unit. Hey, I’m ready for some fun. We will spank the Pies. ????
True...Pies may manage a few players this week and get a bit cocky...
We got mauled by a bunch of crape trucks like Norf, imagine what the flag favourites will do to us. Its not going to be pretty.
We got mauled by a bunch of crape trucks like Norf, imagine what the flag favourites will do to us. Its not going to be pretty.
GTC...Collingwood and Essendon are two teams we do lift against and have that rivalry that seems to drag the better performing team back to the field a bit, thats what I am hoping :-X
I agree if you look at the Pies then at us especially without Liam Jones you see a potential massacre but like Nth I expect us to lift in intensity with the heat back on club and coach.
I expect us to lose by 20 goals this week and then the same margin the following week against GWS. Scary thing about our season so far is we have had a really soft draw, we've played all of the bottom sides (except maybe Richmond), next two months could get very ugly
We need to play Setterfield and Kennedy.
Get Cripps out of the centre for 10 minutes a quarter and make the others survive without him for some time.
It would make us a lot less predictable and give the others some responsibility.
We wanted them to provide support and bigger bodies, use them.
C Curnow has to move up the ground.
Wing or CHB. He needs to run a lot more than he is.
GTC...Collingwood and Essendon are two teams we do lift against and have that rivalry that seems to drag the better performing team back to the field a bit, thats what I am hoping :-X
I agree if you look at the Pies then at us especially without Liam Jones you see a potential massacre but like Nth I expect us to lift in intensity with the heat back on club and coach.
I don't share your optimism EB. We will get smashed and be a club under serious heat Im afraid.
We need to play Setterfield and Kennedy.
Get Cripps out of the centre for 10 minutes a quarter and make the others survive without him for some time.
It would make us a lot less predictable and give the others some responsibility.
We wanted them to provide support and bigger bodies, use them.
C Curnow has to move up the ground.
Wing or CHB. He needs to run a lot more than he is.
C Curnow covered 14.8 km today, 4th most on the ground behind Gibbons. Murphy and Dumont. Noone can run much more than that
C Curnow covered 14.8 km today, 4th most on the ground behind Gibbons. Murphy and Dumont. Noone can run much more than that
Wow ok he needs to run where the ball is then
C Curnow covered 14.8 km today, 4th most on the ground behind Gibbons. Murphy and Dumont. Noone can run much more than that
Fascinating stat that. Says something about fitness levels I guess.
Shame we couldn't get our hands on the ball, or dispose of it effectively.
We need to play Setterfield and Kennedy.
Get Cripps out of the centre for 10 minutes a quarter and make the others survive without him for some time.
It would make us a lot less predictable and give the others some responsibility.
We wanted them to provide support and bigger bodies, use them.
C Curnow has to move up the ground.
Wing or CHB. He needs to run a lot more than he is.
Agree on Cripps, he will have Greenwood all over him so dragging him forward a bit might help us as a byproduct if Cripps can take a mark and kick a few goals.
Think Kennedy and Setterfield were needed today....the Pies midfield is different to Nths who is based on more grunts, Pies have class players on mass
and who ever we play in the middle are going to be doing a lot of chasing especially with Grundy ramming the ball down their throats.
C Curnow covered 14.8 km today, 4th most on the ground behind Gibbons. Murphy and Dumont. Noone can run much more than that
Good lord, for 16 disposals, 6 marks and 3 tackles. Given him a participation award.
At least he participated, we had plenty who didn't
At least he participated, we had plenty who didn't
OUCH! True though...
We're not going to be anywhere near full strength and the confidence is about as low as you could get
12 goal loss minimum
BB mentioned in the presser that SpecialK and McGovern could be back next week, that feels more like a prayer than a reality?
I suspect he knows something we don't, of course that is the case!
This is another area where this poor performance will hurt - at the turnstiles v Rottingwood.
The cost to the club in real $s will be felt as many BlueBaggers won't go to this week's game... and probably beyond.
The Kangabies game was integral in so many ways but very much as a springboard into the Rottingwood game. Win, as we should have, and the turnstiles click this Saturday at the G... get exposed as a fraudulent club, as we were, and numbers and $s drain away.
Common sense says if you lay unconscious for a period following head trauma, you won't play an elite sport in 6 days time.
The club must exercise due diligence in such circumstances.
That we won't have a backline to compete in the AFL is neither here nor there.
Wishing big Jonesy a complete recovery and quick return to the side.
If the club plays Jones, they should be held accountable for any future brain damage and post concussion syndrome he may end up with.
it would be an unconscionable scenario.
Common sense says if you lay unconscious for a period following head trauma, you won't play an elite sport in 6 days time.
The club must exercise due diligence in such circumstances.
That we won't have a backline to compete in the AFL is neither here nor there.
Wishing big Jonesy a complete recovery and quick return to the side.
Well said.
If the club plays Jones, they should be held accountable for any future brain damage and post concussion syndrome he may end up with.
it would be an unconscionable scenario.
Spot on.
He should not play!
No argument about it.
In Kreuzer McGovern Setterfield or Kennedy
Out Phillips Obrien Jones (Plow and Marchy survive only coz Jones is out)
He should not play!
No argument about it.
Agree - I think that Goddard gets a shot this week
Agree - I think that Goddard gets a shot this week
Keep in mind in the VFL we've been playing Kerr back at times, and he is quite useful to push forward if the other forwards struggle like yesterday. He can even pinch hit in the ruck!
It may be time to drop Charlie for Kerr anyway!
I appreciate Goddard is quite mobile, and somewhat physical as well. But I would also say he is workman like, not unlike Selwood the lesser compared to Selwood the captain!
Keep in mind in the VFL we've been playing Kerr back at times, and he is quite useful to push forward if the other forwards struggle like yesterday. He can even pinch hit in the ruck!
It may be time to drop Charlie for Kerr anyway!
I appreciate Goddard is quite mobile, and somewhat physical as well. But I would also say he is workman like, not unlike Selwood the lesser compared to Selwood the captain!
Workman-like sounds quite appealing in our back half at the moment - come in , and do a job.... blokes who know their limitations make good backmen - think Dale Morris.....
Workman-like sounds quite appealing in our back half at the moment - come in , and do a job.... blokes who know their limitations make good backmen - think Dale Morris.....
I don't think our back-line is where the problem lies, but I appreciate we have to cover Jones.
I actually thought Levi went from almost a dud to somewhat OK in the second half yesterday, once he stopped rucking and went more full-time defender he looked significantly better.
So I'm going to say our D50 coach is OK at the moment, whoever that may be!
We had a small, light but fleet footed midfield yesterday, full of healthy kids, yet we had stuff all I50s to speak of! The only time we looked like getting inside F50 was from sMurph, Daisy or Ed. That's a massive problem because when we turned them around we just couldn't get past the HFF.
^^
You missed Fisher who was probably our best given the duress they played under.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/collingwood-star-adams-out-till-bye-cox-unlikely-for-blues-20190506-p51kng.html
Helps just a little.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/collingwood-star-adams-out-till-bye-cox-unlikely-for-blues-20190506-p51kng.html
Helps just a little.
They could line up Peter McKenna out of the square and still beat us. All BS aside, they will smash us.
They could line up Peter McKenna out of the square and still beat us. All BS aside, they will smash us.
They're in with a real sniff for the flag this year, and obviously got close last year. Great depth, good mix of players in all aspects, and off field they do things properly. This is what a professional club looks like. CFC look and learn.
One positive is we get a break from that idiot Dwayne Russell doing our game.
Kreuzer may be fit: no certainty, but the probability is high considering last weeks data from the club. If he is fit, then we will play him. So we should.
Phillips is no certainty to be dropped, depending, but it is more probable than not: we do not appear to like playing 2 rucks and Phillips'kicking is not that great.
Plowman: he may not be 100% fit. He was not that good against North, but has been reasonable in the other games. I hope he is fit enough, as his replacements are not ready to go yet.
McGovern is some chance of playing, which is a positive.
Jones should not play, not after what he experienced. Now Levi did do a reasonable job when Jones went off, but can he do it for 4 quarters? His kicking is an issue, as always.
Goddard is an option: he has been playing well, he is marking well and he has a very strong kick. Mobility? Good question, considering the Collingwood forward line does not have a large number of key forwards.
Williamson and Stocker will probable get another go: their potential replacements are still some weeks away.
Charlie: most of his problems are in his head, I think. Maybe he does need time in the VFL. It is not how far he is running that is a problem, it is his decision making (which is incredibly poor at the moment).
We really need him, but not the way he is going. His mistakes have been even worse than Levi's, and that takes some doing.
This could be a bad one, so I think I'll stay away!
btw., An Abductor and a Hammy, one week, I call bullcrap!
Playing them injured, rookie mistakes 101!
This has all the hallmarks of a good old fashioned drubbing written all over it. Goddard probably plays this week as there's no way they'll risk Jones after a head knock like that. So a backline without Docherty, Simpson, Newman and Jones up against the likes of Cox, Reid, Elliott, Stephenson, Hoskin-Elliott and De Goey!!!! We'd be lucky to have anyone remotely good enough to go with De Goey let alone the others.
And then a midfield with Grundy, Beams, Pendlebury, Treloar and Sidebottom to begin with.
Mercifully I didn't get to watch the game against North but it beggars belief that a team could turn up and not turn on and let the equal bottom team blow us away in 25 minutes of footy. Maybe too many are just thinking that Cripps and Walsh will do it all?
If Kreuzer doesn't get up, Grundy and their mids will have a day out and their forwards will be lining up to kick a bag. A 100 point demolition wouldn't surprise me and that won't look good for Bolton.
Strong word Darcy Moore is in doubt.
Strong word Darcy Moore is in doubt.
This isn't related to anything, and I've been curious for a while, but what on earth is that picture in your avatar ?
This isn't related to anything, and I've been curious for a while, but what on earth is that picture in your avatar ?
I'm guessing not a GoT fan?
I'm guessing not a GoT fan?
I see. Thanks deags.
Game of Thrones ? No, nothing that would ever interest me.
I thought it was some badly drawn character from the early days of CGI, like 1993.
I thought it was some badly drawn character from the early days of CGI, like 1993.
Hmmm, I was thinking more Eurovision 2006... Lordi..the Finland entry.
Hmmm, I was thinking more Eurovision 2006... Lordi..the Finland entry.
I wouldn't know mal. I lost interest in the zeitgeist a long time ago. But I just looked it up now - Hard Rock Hallelujah ? 10 seconds was enough. I need one of those gongs Bernard King used to have.
You don't strike me as a Eurovision kind of guy.
This isn't related to anything, and I've been curious for a while, but what on earth is that picture in your avatar ?
Someone from the Far North, North of the wall!
This isn't related to anything, and I've been curious for a while, but what on earth is that picture in your avatar ?
Yes indeed, a White Walker, from Game of Thrones. Only a couple of episodes left....but I'll leave that for another forum.
Yes indeed, a White Walker, from Game of Thrones. Only a couple of episodes left....but I'll leave that for another forum.
Thanks. I hope you enjoy the last 2.
A few white walkers would be handy at the moment, so long as they can stick a tackle.
A few white walkers would be handy at the moment, so long as they can stick a tackle.
:)) :)) :)) cue SpannerMan...
Good stuff, BB, good laugh at this end... even the dog looked up, and that takes some doing (full belly, open fire... 40kg hearth!).
Yes indeed, a White Walker, from Game of Thrones. Only a couple of episodes left....but I'll leave that for another forum.
I thought it was a statement about GWS, white dust covered men from the north!
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/blues-welcome-returns-20190508-p51ldl.html
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/blues-welcome-returns-20190508-p51ldl.html
Saviours! Even BB hoped for Lord K, Saviour. Sound familiar? ;) ;D Phew, and I thought we'd be in trouble against Rottingwood.
This is a bit of a warning sign IMHO.
McGovern has been doing this all season and given his pre season back problem, its likely he will get hindered by it for the year.
Kreuzer is someone who will push through the pain barrier to play (rumour has it, that he was getting his knee drained after every match one year).
Given they have told us an adductor injury is what forced him out, the only thing we don't know is the severity of the issue and what treatment he has undertaken. Expect he will play under duress due to this article I have found:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK493166/
Treatment / Management
Most adductor strains are managed conservatively. Initial management will include relative rest from sports, ice, compression, analgesia and physical therapy. Analgesia typically includes acetaminophen and non-steroidal anti-inflammatory medications. The rehabilitation program should include stretching, the range of motion and strengthening of the affected leg and core accompanied by a gradual return to sport. Acute injuries may return as quickly as 4 to 8 weeks while chronic strains may take many months to achieve desired results.[6][7]
In addition, other treatment modalities may be available for refractory cases. This includes corticosteroid injection into the adductor complex and needle tenotomy, both of which are at the discretion of the consulting physician and typically performed under ultrasound guidance.
Occasionally, surgical management is indicated. There are no clear guidelines on which injuries require surgical management. Potential indications include poor recovery with conservative management with full-thickness tears or avulsion injuries with the persistent weakness of the affected limb.
Is it any wonder we worry about our footy club?
There is no reason to rush Kreuzer back for this one. Zero. Even with him in, we are not a significantly better team, and for gods sake, can we please drop Lochie O Brien and play Kennedy??
In fairness to the club I'm not sure they ever actually stated a strain, I think they reported soreness/tightening of the abductor as a result of corky that changed SpecialK's running gate!
If he breaks down the MC should face the consequences, it's not just BBs fault!
This is a bit of a warning sign IMHO.
McGovern has been doing this all season and given his pre season back problem, its likely he will get hindered by it for the year.
Kreuzer is someone who will push through the pain barrier to play (rumour has it, that he was getting his knee drained after every match one year).
Given they have told us an adductor injury is what forced him out, the only thing we don't know is the severity of the issue and what treatment he has undertaken. Expect he will play under duress due to this article I have found:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK493166/
Is it any wonder we worry about our footy club?
There is no reason to rush Kreuzer back for this one. Zero. Even with him in, we are not a significantly better team, and for gods sake, can we please drop Lochie O Brien and play Kennedy??
Agree on Kreuzer, no need to rush him back, rather we get him right for the Bombers and Saints games which we have some chance to win...
LOB is a bust for a pick 10, if he was pick 45 plus then you could say fair enough but for a top ten pick he is a disappointment, Kennedy and Setterfield both should be back in, Cripps will need the help with Greenwood hanging off him all day...
EB I made the comment about O'Brien last year after seeing lots of games on TV (not always the best way to judge I acknowledge) but then seeing the game against Brisbane at the GABBA live when he turned it over by foot about 5 times in one quarter. If his kicking was a knock on him prior to the draft, you have to ask yourself, what attributes DID they see that warranted such a high draft pick?
He, along with Dow, probably need a stint in the VFL just to get some confidence back because at the moment it's heart in the mouth stuff for supporters when they get the ball as they just look like a deer caught in the headlights. Setterfield and Kennedy won't have the leg speed but agree we just need some help in there for Cripps and Walsh at the moment as the Pies will target them both heavily this week.
Who gets De Goey this week? He would be licking his lips I reckon at the moment as we have nobody to go with him IMHO.
EB I made the comment about O'Brien last year after seeing lots of games on TV (not always the best way to judge I acknowledge) but then seeing the game against Brisbane at the GABBA live when he turned it over by foot about 5 times in one quarter. If his kicking was a knock on him prior to the draft, you have to ask yourself, what attributes DID they see that warranted such a high draft pick?
He, along with Dow, probably need a stint in the VFL just to get some confidence back because at the moment it's heart in the mouth stuff for supporters when they get the ball as they just look like a deer caught in the headlights. Setterfield and Kennedy won't have the leg speed but agree we just need some help in there for Cripps and Walsh at the moment as the Pies will target them both heavily this week.
Who gets De Goey this week? He would be licking his lips I reckon at the moment as we have nobody to go with him IMHO.
Surfie..re: DeGoey...no standout player to take him, he will be too quick for our taller defenders and too strong physically and in the air for our smaller to mid defenders.
Reid will probably get Goddard and Mihocek might get Weitering or Marchbank...the brains trust might be tempted to start Weitering on DeGoey if he is just playing from the square.
I think having the ball in our half more often will be our best defense, if they get it down their forward line often enough we wont be able to contain them. The other trick Buckley uses is to rotate Sidebottom and Treloar at Full Forward to disrupt the defense and force structure changes.
LOB's strength at TAC level was his kicking and why he was recruited IMO, at senior level you get less time and have to make decisions quicker, he also gets phased by the physicality and can look timid. His job is to be an outside player but he has to hit those targets better than he does and get more ball, because he is a top ten pick he will get more chances than most but is looking a bit like Kane Lucas and that dont doesnt bode well for his future.
I like Dow, he has speed and some dare in his game which we need but he needs to improve his disposal, think he is better suited to freewheeling around the ground rather than
banging bodies with the likes of Cunnington which isnt his forte and players like Setterfield and Kennedy to do the heavy lifting and support Cripps.
Last weeks non selections didnt help Dow and we didnt do much homework on Nth and just thought they would roll over IMO.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/beams-in-doubt-for-carlton-clash-20190509-p51ln4.html
EB I made the comment about O'Brien last year after seeing lots of games on TV (not always the best way to judge I acknowledge) but then seeing the game against Brisbane at the GABBA live when he turned it over by foot about 5 times in one quarter. If his kicking was a knock on him prior to the draft, you have to ask yourself, what attributes DID they see that warranted such a high draft pick?
WASurfer, O'Brien is/was an elite runner at TAC Cup level, we do not get to see him make much use of it at the moment given the role they have him playing. I cannot comment on the kicking.
In fairness as the kids get through their 1st and 2nd pre-seasons, they build lots of muscle and strength but it initially seems to take a toll on their speed and aerobic capacity. Also they are still beginners at the recovery game, some of the older AFL heads tell you it takes 4 or 5 years to get the art of recovery sorted.
I'm happy to see where this kids goes in another year or two.
Is part of what you see an effect of trying to thread the needle at AFL level, some inexperience around issues like how quickly AFL opponents can cover and close space versus lower levels?
..........because he is a top ten pick he will get more chances than most but is looking a bit like Kane Lucas and that dont doesnt bode well for his future.
I don't agree on this point, Lucas was a man child while O'Brien is a skinny!
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/beams-in-doubt-for-carlton-clash-20190509-p51ln4.html
Maybe managing him, they might bring Sier in, few clubs sniffing around him and might want to keep him happy and give
him a game.
WASurfer, O'Brien is/was an elite runner at TAC Cup level, we do not get to see him make much use of it at the moment given the role they have him playing. I cannot comment on the kicking.
In fairness as the kids get through their 1st and 2nd pre-seasons, they build lots of muscle and strength but it initially seems to take a toll on their speed and aerobic capacity. Also they are still beginners at the recovery game, some of the older AFL heads tell you it takes 4 or 5 years to get the art of recovery sorted.
I'm happy to see where this kids goes in another year or two.
Is part of what you see an effect of trying to thread the needle at AFL level, some inexperience around issues like how quickly AFL opponents can cover and close space versus lower levels?
I don't agree on this point, Lucas was a man child while O'Brien is a skinny!
Lucas was equally shy when it got a bit hot in the kitchen, agree Lucas was bigger at 188cm/84kg but I would call him a manchild..
Maybe managing him, they might bring Sier in, few clubs sniffing around him and might want to keep him happy and give
him a game.
Yes, possibly.
I too like Dow's dare and on a number of occasions he's grabbed it out of the middle, burnt off an opponent, had a bounce....and then put it out of bounds or through for a point or over the head of a bloke on the lead. You'd like to think that if kicking is one of his poor areas then at training he's doing specialist work on that particular element of his game? It gets increasingly frustrating for supporters like us to see it continually turned over because of poor skills. I accept it that they're young blokes who take time to develop and probably sounding like a broken record but we have so few blokes on our list that are elite with the ball by foot. Do we not draft any or do we focus so much on other parts of the game that a basic element like kicking goes out the window? If we haven't got any elite ball users then maybe go after a few in the trade period this year. Someone suggested Tomlinson recently and I think the club was into him a few years back but we went for Marchbank. Tomlinson is good by foot, either side of his body and a good size too. Williamson is one who can kick it so hopefully he can get some games under his belt in coming weeks and we can use that strength in his game.
Someone suggested Tomlinson recently and I think the club was into him a few years back but we went for Marchbank.
We didn't choose Marchbank over Tomlinson, Tomlinson agreed to terms and stayed put!
We tried to get Tomlinson a year earlier, but couldnt get the deal done on the final day of trading because we were busy eyeing off another acquisition from memory.
We tried to get Tomlinson a year earlier, but couldnt get the deal done on the final day of trading because we were busy eyeing off another acquisition from memory.
Tomlinson or his manager announced his intention to stay at GWS days before trading closed, the rest is just press speculation based around the delayed timing of contracts being signed.
As Carlton fans we a predisposed to believe we were still in with a chance, we want to believe it to be true.
It would be just nice to hit the jackpot with ONE of the blokes we've acquired from GWS.
Reid will probably get Goddard and Mihocek might get Weitering or Marchbank...the brains trust might be tempted to start Weitering on DeGoey if he is just playing from the square.
Watch where McGovern lines up, we might be surprised.
It would be just nice to hit the jackpot with ONE of the blokes we've acquired from GWS.
Id like to think Setterfield is the Jackpot.
Id like to think Setterfield is the Jackpot.
Not sure about jackpot, but I feel all of them (Setters, Marchbank, Plowman and Kennedy) can become good players for us. Some just need luck with injuries, game time and selection, and someone like Plowman I think is suffering as a result of Docherty's absence. He finished 7th in the 2017 B+F, the last season Doc played.
Tomlinson or his manager announced his intention to stay at GWS days before trading closed, the rest is just press speculation based around the delayed timing of contracts being signed.
As Carlton fans we a predisposed to believe we were still in with a chance, we want to believe it to be true.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/10/15/tomlinson-trade-still-alive-mcclure/
It was the 2016 draft period, we did most of our trading with gws just before the deadline.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/10/15/tomlinson-trade-still-alive-mcclure/
It was the 2016 draft period, we did most of our trading with gws just before the deadline.
Maybe I'm getting more than one trade period confused, but I'm pretty sure Tomlinson came out and stated last time we had a crack that he'd honor his contracts before the trade period ended. The same year we trade in Caleb Marchbank which was 2016.
That even fits with the title of Sam Maclure's article, which implies a contradiction.
I can't specifically recall the 2014 trade offers that are alleged, that'll all be hearsay now.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/beams-in-doubt-for-carlton-clash-20190509-p51ln4.html
Tomlinson is an upgrade on Marchbank and Plowman, seen him play well in the finals too, you look at Jones out this week and we are relying on a newbie
in Goddard to fill in. Seen Tomlinson play well on Buddy and he can also play wing and even seen him do some rucking.
IMO he is the best of the free agents apart from Coniglio and I'd be putting in the hard yards to get him and getting the cheque book out.
Agree EB. Problem is presenting the club as an appealing destination for free agents. We had that problem when Malthouse was coach and never seemed to be able to land one. We got Thomas at a time when he was buggered with injury and it cost us a compensation pick for Betts. To his credit, Thomas has been pretty handy in the last few years but not a patch on what the club would've been anticipating when they got him. For the most part, free agents from clubs who haven't won flags or tasted finals success will go to those clubs...not ones anchored on or near the bottom...unless they're driven purely by $$$.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/beams-in-doubt-for-carlton-clash-20190509-p51ln4.html
Probably stating the bleeding obvious but reckon if we get a fully fit McGovern and Kruezer in for Phillips and Casboult and then they lose Adams and now Beams and Cox is already out....and if and its a very big if, we can recapture the form we had against the Hawks (excluding the 3rd quarter) this game could be a lot closer than many expect.
Or Kruezer wont get up, we could start poorly be down by 5 goals at quarter time and lose by 90.
I'm hate blaming injuries but do think last week losing the 4 players we did really unbalanced us and forced us to field a team that was just too young and lost 2 leaders out of defence 1 leader in the middle and another up forward...left many lines too light on for games played.
The ins this week IMO will determine if we can be very competitive or whether its likely to be a smashing.
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I'm hate blaming injuries but do think last week losing the 4 players we did really unbalanced us and forced us to field a team that was just too young and lost 2 leaders out of defence 1 leader in the middle and another up forward...left many lines too light on for games played.
Not blaming injuries is a necessary technique to approach the season or game with a particularly positive, non defeatist mindset. In much the same way that Malthouse or any other coach says they can't see losing a game. If you go in to a game thinking you can't win, you're already half way to losing.
Whilst I understand the psychology, in reality not taking into account injuries as a reason for losses is nonsense. Club wouldn't bother with all the research, trying to recruit the best players etc, if any 22 can rock up and win. Imagine a team full of Aaron Mullets because all the Cripps' are injured.
Agree EB. Problem is presenting the club as an appealing destination for free agents. We had that problem when Malthouse was coach and never seemed to be able to land one. We got Thomas at a time when he was buggered with injury and it cost us a compensation pick for Betts. To his credit, Thomas has been pretty handy in the last few years but not a patch on what the club would've been anticipating when they got him. For the most part, free agents from clubs who haven't won flags or tasted finals success will go to those clubs...not ones anchored on or near the bottom...unless they're driven purely by $$$.
And there you have it.
I would hate to be SOS if, coming into this trade period, we're about where we are now. Our successes of the 60s, 70s, 80s & 90s are now irrelevant. We're not a destination side.
How things have changed for SOS.
Who here would like to sell us to a Coniglio or Tomlinson or similar? What would you say to them to make them choose us over just about any other side?
(I hate being what seems to be a voice of doom... but, if you're objective and impartial, we're a flop and have been since 2002 bar 2010/11).
Probably stating the bleeding obvious but reckon if we get a fully fit McGovern and Kruezer in for Phillips and Casboult and then they lose Adams and now Beams and Cox is already out....and if and its a very big if, we can recapture the form we had against the Hawks (excluding the 3rd quarter) this game could be a lot closer than many expect.
Or Kruezer wont get up, we could start poorly be down by 5 goals at quarter time and lose by 90.
I'm hate blaming injuries but do think last week losing the 4 players we did really unbalanced us and forced us to field a team that was just too young and lost 2 leaders out of defence 1 leader in the middle and another up forward...left many lines too light on for games played.
The ins this week IMO will determine if we can be very competitive or whether its likely to be a smashing.
Collingwood have a lot of depth in the midfield and like I said before I expected them to manage some players(ie Beams), like Essendon we always seem to lift for these traditional rival games
and I expect us to be competitive, they are ultra cocky and might come in with a lazy attitude so there is hope.
We need a real crape standard game with plenty of contests where we can slow them up, frustrate them and hopefully our players who can win us games like Cripps, Harry, Charlie, Mcgovern fire upand take us to victory. Its not likely but there is some hope given the backs to the wall nature of the game for us and the players must know every loss is a nail in the coffin of Bolton.
Collingwood to lose the game rather than we win it...Blues by 5 points over a very cocky Collingwood and their equally cocky big mouthed Prez.....
Not blaming injuries is a necessary technique to approach the season or game with a particularly positive, non defeatist mindset. In much the same way that Malthouse or any other coach says they can't see losing a game. If you go in to a game thinking you can't win, you're already half way to losing.
Whilst I understand the psychology, in reality not taking into account injuries as a reason for losses is nonsense. Club wouldn't bother with all the research, trying to recruit the best players etc, if any 22 can rock up and win. Imagine a team full of Aaron Mullets because all the Cripps' are injured.
Very rare for any side to field their best 22.
I recall a brief period in '95 when we were without Sticks and Diesel... and didn't miss a beat. Happens you've a deep and talented list and a winning culture.
Inexperienced players and a fragile culture leads to a heavy reliance on individuals.
McGovern, Kreuzer and Setterfield in for Phillips, Jones and O'Brien.
Pies lose Beams and Addams and bring in Mayne and Wills. And still no Cox.
I can see McGovern filling a hole down back at times during the game? With Cox out they don't have any real big talls other than Reid so hopefully Weitering can mind him. Not sure who gets Mihocek thought? He's a reasonably hard bloke to match up on and will have Marchbank struggling. But with no Beams or Adams it brings their midfield back a peg which is a bonus.
Kreuzer, McGovern & Setterfield come in, Phillips, O'Brien and Jones out, Casboult holds his place while Kennedy is emergency, don't like this unless Levi is back up for Kreuzer who may not make it over the line??
McGovern, Kreuzer and Setterfield in for Phillips, Jones and O'Brien.
Pies lose Beams and Addams and bring in Mayne and Wills. And still no Cox.
I can see McGovern filling a hole down back at times during the game? With Cox out they don't have any real big talls other than Reid so hopefully Weitering can mind him. Not sure who gets Mihocek thought? He's a reasonably hard bloke to match up on and will have Marchbank struggling. But with no Beams or Adams it brings their midfield back a peg which is a bonus.
Wouldn't have said it a year ago, but Cox is a handy out. Can mark, can kick goals and is bloody tall....too tall for our backline.
Apart from Jones, our ins improve the team, the Pies ins worsen theirs. Still miles apart unfortunately.
Samo's 50th. Well done and best of luck.
Got the bloody 4 tall forwards in. Hopefully they plan on playing Charlie on the wing.
Hawks dropped a favorite son in Roughead - wish our MC had the balls to do the same with Murphy.
Wouldn't have said it a year ago, but Cox is a handy out. Can mark, can kick goals and is bloody tall....too tall for our backline.
Agree but I would have backed the Jones boy against him. If you create chaos around him, Cox gets a little rattled and we all know Jones can do chaos very well.
Got the bloody 4 tall forwards in. Hopefully they plan on playing Charlie on the wing.
We're going to struggle to run with the Pies in this one.
Both through the midfield and in the backline.
Our beloved zone will be useless without some major improvements this week.
CARLTON
B: Dale Thomas, Caleb Marchbank, Tom Williamson
HB: Lachie Plowman, Jacob Weitering, Marc Murphy
C: Zac Fisher, Patrick Cripps, Sam Walsh
HF: Jack Silvagni, Charlie Curnow, David Cuningham
F: Michael Gibbons, Harry McKay, Ed Curnow
R: Matthew Kreuzer, Sam Petrevski-Seton, Paddy Dow
Int: Liam Stocker, Will Setterfield, Mitch McGovern, Levi Casboult
Emg: Matthew Kennedy, Andrew Phillips, Hugh Goddard, Lochie O'Brien
IN: Matthew Kreuzer, Will Setterfield, Mitch McGovern
OUT: Lochie O'Brien (Omitted), Andrew Phillips (Omitted), Liam Jones (Injured)
I look at the team and I still scratch my head. I can't see Marchbank at FB on Reid. Having Special K back is a plus, but dropping Phillips after last week? Not sure of that. O'Brien probably needed to go back: he has to get harder. No choice in that.
COLLINGWOOD
B: Brayden Maynard, Jordan Roughead, Jeremy Howe
HB: Jack Crisp, Darcy Moore, Tom Langdon
C: Steele Sidebottom, Scott Pendlebury, Tom Phillips
HF: Josh Thomas, Ben Reid, Jamie Elliott
F: Jaidyn Stephenson, Brody Mihocek, Jordan De Goey
R: Brodie Grundy, Rupert Wills, Adam Treloar
Int: Chris Mayne, Callum L. Brown, Levi Greenwood, Will Hoskin-Elliott
EMG: Travis Varcoe, Isaac Quaynor, Ben Crocker, Max Lynch
IN Rupert Wills, Chris Mayne
OUT Dayne Beams (Injured), Taylor Adams (Injured)
And the job on De Goey....who's the unfortunate bloke in our backline to get that? If it's Plowman we're in BIG trouble.
And the job on De Goey....who's the unfortunate bloke in our backline to get that? If it's Plowman we're in BIG trouble.
The answer is a defender who knows how to defend a leading fwd and has some toe.
So not Plowman then.
Like with Weitering, Marchbank won't know himself having a proper role with responsibility.
Does anyone else believe we'll line up like that?
I cant see kreuzer playing.
We'll have minimum one if not more changes.
Agree but I would have backed the Jones boy against him. If you create chaos around him, Cox gets a little rattled and we all know Jones can do chaos very well.
LOL ;D
Does anyone else believe we'll line up like that?
I cant see kreuzer playing.
We'll have minimum one if not more changes.
Yep, I think Kennedy comes in, Kreuzer goes out and Caz rucks, but of course, I'm probably miles off ;)
Yep, I think Kennedy comes in, Kreuzer goes out and Caz rucks, but of course, I'm probably miles off ;)
Casboult vs grundy....
I think Phillips has to come in. I'd actually consider dropping dow for Kennedy.
I'd also consider plowman out and Goddard in.
Thryleon....isn't Goddard a much bigger defender type? If Cox is out it only leaves them with Reid and Mihocek as "talls" with Reid part time ruck. I think that Casboult plays even if Kreuzer is fit with McGovern possibly dropping back to play intercept style role.
And the job on De Goey....who's the unfortunate bloke in our backline to get that? If it's Plowman we're in BIG trouble.
Keep him out of the goalsquare. He hasn't kicked a goal from further than 5m out since round 1. Let him have 20 shots at goal. That'd be my plan.
So what do people consider an adequate response given the events of last week (I'm not assuming we win)?
So what do people consider an adequate response given the events of last week (I'm not assuming we win)?
Get on top early, or at least level pegging, falling away later in the game.
Within touch at 3/4 time would be an honest effort.
Keep him out of the goalsquare. He hasn't kicked a goal from further than 5m out since round 1. Let him have 20 shots at goal. That'd be my plan.
They might do their old trick of rotating Treloar and Sidebottom through Full Forward..DeGoey has been spending a bit more time on the ball of late.
Elliott, Stephenson and Thomas might be a handful given they will be a lot quicker than anything we have playing down back.
Barker needs to earn his money and develop a strategy to stop Greenwood and Pendlebury tagging Cripps at the stoppages too and then having Pendlebury end up on his own running free...
So what do people consider an adequate response given the events of last week (I'm not assuming we win)?
Only adequate response is a win.
They might do their old trick of rotating Treloar and Sidebottom through Full Forward..DeGoey has been spending a bit more time on the ball of late.
Elliott, Stephenson and Thomas might be a handful given they will be a lot quicker than anything we have playing down back.
Barker needs to earn his money and develop a strategy to stop Greenwood and Pendlebury tagging Cripps at the stoppages too and then having Pendlebury end up on his own running free...
One positive is they don't tend to tag much. It's up to Cripps to have a better game than he did in the last 2 weeks where he's been putrid.
One positive is they don't tend to tag much. It's up to Cripps to have a better game than he did in the last 2 weeks where he's been putrid.
Down by his lofty standards? Yes. Putrid? No. I couldn't imagine Crippa being putrid TBH.
One positive is they don't tend to tag much. It's up to Cripps to have a better game than he did in the last 2 weeks where he's been putrid.
Yep..they tag at stoppages but back their mids in to beat their opponents....I think Cripps can dominate this week, Pies dont have that midfield bull like Cunnington
and you dont see Cripps held to too many average games and then put in another average one.
Grundy vs Krezuer will be interesting....restrict Grundy and their mids dont do nearly as well.
Only adequate response is a win.
Agreed.
Even with our ins and their outs its hard to see us getting within 5 goals.
The selections make sense in our current state. But we just can't be in a position later in the year when the likes of casbolt and ed curnow are getting gifted games and delivering so little. O'Brian goes out; fair enough. He needs time to settle and nail some skills in the seconds. But he only had one less touch than ed curnow last week and one tackle more. He had one.
Should be an interesting game. Both sides like to hold onto the ball, and collingwood play a great zone. Sadly, I fear we will turn it over too much and struggle to hold the ball inside our forward line.
Even with our ins and their outs its hard to see us getting within 5 goals.
The selections make sense in our current state. But we just can't be in a position later in the year when the likes of casbolt and ed curnow are getting gifted games and delivering so little. O'Brian goes out; fair enough. He needs time to settle and nail some skills in the seconds. But he only had one less touch than ed curnow last week and one tackle more. He had one.
Should be an interesting game. Both sides like to hold onto the ball, and collingwood play a great zone. Sadly, I fear we will turn it over too much and struggle to hold the ball inside our forward line.
Yep, pretty much my take as well. Five goals is about right for where we are, just hope we hang around most of the day and make them earn it.
Even with our ins and their outs its hard to see us getting within 5 goals.
The selections make sense in our current state. But we just can't be in a position later in the year when the likes of casbolt and ed curnow are getting gifted games and delivering so little. O'Brian goes out; fair enough. He needs time to settle and nail some skills in the seconds. But he only had one less touch than ed curnow last week and one tackle more. He had one.
Should be an interesting game. Both sides like to hold onto the ball, and collingwood play a great zone. Sadly, I fear we will turn it over too much and struggle to hold the ball inside our forward line.
Dow and Murphy should have been axed too.
Pie pressure will force too many errors I fear.
Thryleon....isn't Goddard a much bigger defender type? If Cox is out it only leaves them with Reid and Mihocek as "talls" with Reid part time ruck. I think that Casboult plays even if Kreuzer is fit with McGovern possibly dropping back to play intercept style role.
Yep, but having a laugh whilst your teammate is knocked out isn't a good look for a supposed leader.
FWIW I'd have plowman on de goey early.
To be honest I'd liked to have dropped half the team given last week.
Pie pressure will force too many errors I fear.
Just watching them run through their banner will strike fear into the Team ::)
6 to 8 goal loss and we won't win any quarter on the scoreboard, They'll wear us down bit by bit
6 to 8 goal loss and we won't win any quarter on the scoreboard, They'll wear us down bit by bit
Any chance we will tag Steel Sidebottom or just put Murphy up against him.
There just has to be a response after last week.
There simply has to be.
I doesn't have to be a win.
That's very unlikely....
But one of the first lessons I learnt about football was that a Carlton v Collingwood game isn't over until the final siren.
(That actually really silly because if we're ten goals up with a minute to go.... it is really over
....but it's a nice inspirational thing to hang our hats on.) ;D
Regardless of who it might be, I expect (make that demand) some on field changes when required as Bolton is far too slow to enact them. We'll lose regardless, but the manner in which you restrict the damage is as much his to wear as it is those who run through the banner
Where there's life, there's hope...
Get the right ex player/coach in for a rev and motivation and it just might unite these boys on a clear course. Rhys for mine. Bet Parko can still get that vein raised.
And let's assume the players really challenged each other to show 120 minutes of united, ruthless, consistent endeavour. And even Murphy buys into the ruthlessness.
And let's assume the coaches really challenged each other to get on the same page with passionate agreement, you know 'connected'.
And let's assume that we actually send someone to De Goey and that bloke has some sh1te on his liver and makes life very hard for De Goey.
BlueBaggers by 16pts.
No Beams, no Adams, no Cox.
We'll win this! (if Murphy lays more than 2 tackles) ;)
Where there's life, there's hope...
Get the right ex player/coach in for a rev and motivation and it just might unite these boys on a clear course. Rhys for mine. Bet Parko can still get that vein raised.
And let's assume the players really challenged each other to show 120 minutes of united, ruthless, consistent endeavour. And even Murphy buys into the ruthlessness.
And let's assume the coaches really challenged each other to get on the same page with passionate agreement, you know 'connected'.
And let's assume that we actually send someone to De Goey and that bloke has some sh1te on his liver and makes life very hard for De Goey.
BlueBaggers by 16pts.
When you assume, you make an...
Bet Parko can still get that vein raised.
Just before he blacks out! ;D
No Beams, no Adams, no Cox.
We'll win this! (if Murphy lays more than 2 tackles) ;)
If the game plan and tactics determine that sMurph has to lay tackles we are in trouble.
When you assume, you make an...
...when you're in the position that we're in... you grasp, ooooohhhh fck, do you grasp.
Early showers, greasy conditions, will not favor our tall setup.
Especially given over the last six or so quarters of footy outside of Jones or Weitering our talls have barely taken a mark! McKay, Levi, Marchbank, Cripps even McGovern all have the fumbles.
Get Podsiadly down on a contract to get them sorted, the bloke had the best contested marking and wet weather marking technique I've ever seen!
What has happened to Levi's marking?
He was probably the best in the comp 2 or 3 years ago.
If the game plan and tactics determine that sMurph has to lay tackles we are in trouble.
I'd play Murphy on Philips, the latter is usually good for 25-30 possies a game and is very under rated and damaging, he isnt physical
or overly big and plays a nice clean game which might suit Murphy who played a negative role on the Bulldogs Hunter a few weeks back and did ok.
Murphy needs handpicked opponents these days and if none suit then you have to ask the question if he belongs in the team.
If the game plan and tactics determine that sMurph has to lay tackles we are in trouble.
Here we go, special conditions because he does so much else.
FFS you can't have players that let them team work down.
He doesn't offer much else, if he can't add pressure he shouldn't be out there.
Excuses, excuses, excuses, excuses, excuses all I farken here for this bloke.
Can't play here, can't play there, shouldn't have to do this.,
No wonder we are shiiitt.
What has happened to Levi's marking?
He was probably the best in the comp 2 or 3 years ago.
Our coaches got to him and 'Developed' him! ;)
Here we go, special conditions because he does so much else.
FFS you can't have players that let them team work down.
He doesn't offer much else, if he can't add pressure he shouldn't be out there.
Excuses, excuses, excuses, excuses, excuses all I farken here for this bloke.
Can't play here, can't play there, shouldn't have to do this.,
No wonder we are shiiitt.
Not at all, as EB1 points out your coach has to put players in roles that suit them, using their strengths to advantage not exposing their weaknesses.
Opposition coaches would be hell bent on forcing sMurph inside contests, and leaving Cripps or Setterfield trying to spread on the outside. No different to forcing McKay or Levi to compete for ground ball while allowing small forwards to fly for the ball, remember the bad old days of Betts as FF, or Yarran tagging, or Tutt at the coalface?
It's a football basic so I don't get why you are so disbelieving of a basic truth, that good coaches and MCs work with what they have got to it's greatest advantage.
Perhaps stop letting your emotions rule your brain!
Our coaches got to him and 'Developed' him! ;)
Let's face it, any reasonable form from McGovern, Charlie or McKay and Levi's in 4th spot, it's just the reality of the situation so it's fair he looks at 2nd Ruck as an option. But if wants 2nd ruck then he better develop some 2nd efforts and physical presence!
Some fans are touting McGovern to CHB this week, but do not be at all surprised to find Levi starting there, he spent a good portion of pre-season training with the defensive crew. But he is clearly down that pecking order as well.
In any case, it's pretty clear Levi's kicks better around or outside the F50 mark. So I think 2nd rucking and floating between D50 and CHF is his go. Keep him away from deep inside F50.
Not at all, as EB1 points out your coach has to put players in roles that suit them, using their strengths to advantage not exposing their weaknesses.
Opposition coaches would be hell bent on forcing sMurph inside contests, and leaving Cripps or Setterfield trying to spread on the outside. No different to forcing McKay or Levi to compete for ground ball while allowing small forwards to fly for the ball, remember the bad old days of Betts as FF, or Yarran tagging, or Tutt at the coalface?
It's a football basic so I don't get why you are so disbelieving of a basic truth, that good coaches and MCs work with what they have got to it's greatest advantage.
Perhaps stop letting your emotions rule your brain!
Nothing emotional about it all,
Just sick of the excuses.
He isn't up to it, and hasn't been for a while.
LP...without Cox, I'm not sure Levi needs to play back with Weitering and Marchbank down there. They've only got Mihocek and Reid as "talls" and Reid will play backup ruck as well. If it's just to plug a whole then McGovern might be better value with his intercept marking and kicking....Levi coming outta the backline trying to hit a target might not work! Our problem will be there small/medium forwards and plays on them....Elliott, Stephenson, De Goey, Hoskin-Elliott etc.
As for Charlie, he needs to find something this week or Bolton should make a similar statement to Clarkson. We can't keep carrying him if he's not contributing anything.
Early showers, greasy conditions, will not favor our tall setup.
Especially given over the last six or so quarters of footy outside of Jones or Weitering our talls have barely taken a mark! McKay, Levi, Marchbank, Cripps even McGovern all have the fumbles.
Get Podsiadly down on a contract to get them sorted, the bloke had the best contested marking and wet weather marking technique I've ever seen!
Saturday 11 May
SummaryMin 9Max 17Possible shower.Possible rainfall: 0 to 1 mmChance of any rain: 40%
Melbourne area
Cloudy. High (80%) chance of showers in the southeast suburbs, medium (50%) chance elsewhere. Winds west to southwesterly 15 to 20 km/h becoming light early in the morning then becoming northwest to southwesterly 15 to 25 km/h in the morning.
With the wind, it'll be dry as a button come game time....
LP...without Cox, I'm not sure Levi needs to play back with Weitering and Marchbank down there. They've only got Mihocek and Reid as "talls" and Reid will play backup ruck as well. If it's just to plug a whole then McGovern might be better value with his intercept marking and kicking....Levi coming outta the backline trying to hit a target might not work! Our problem will be there small/medium forwards and plays on them....Elliott, Stephenson, De Goey, Hoskin-Elliott etc.
As for Charlie, he needs to find something this week or Bolton should make a similar statement to Clarkson. We can't keep carrying him if he's not contributing anything.
Levi might not get the time and space he needs, but when he does find space he is not a bad field kick, but he's not a Weitering either so you make a fair point.
However, Levi can launch and spoil with conviction, and when pushed he can hurt opponents as well with tackles and momentum, can he go with Reid once the ball hits the ground?
I fear Reid will muscle Marchbank, for a player of that size Marchbank is probably the least physical player I've ever seen.
Weitering must get Mihocek, we've no other option.
Nothing emotional about it all,
Just sick of the excuses.
He isn't up to it, and hasn't been for a while.
Yes, proving the absolute obvious, like sMurph isn't physically intimidating like Joel Selwood.
You'd fail horribly as a coach, you'd be so hell bent on putting your charges in circumstances that prove their shortcomings, you'd waste all their available talent!
I fear that we'll play Reid back into form in much the same way we did with Brown last week. Not sure what size Williamson is but he might be an option for Mihocek but agree, Marchbank will get pushed aside too easy by either of those two.
I still think Levi is a better option as backup ruckman than taking McKay out of the forward line....his contested marking has been the feature of his game this year and he's more potent when taking them up forward. Charlie is the one that needs to pull his finger out this week. And I'd still have Ed following one of Pendlebury/Sidebottom around....let either of those off the leash to rack up 30+ possessions and their forwards will dine out.
I fear that we'll play Reid back into form in much the same way we did with Brown last week. Not sure what size Williamson is but he might be an option for Mihocek but agree, Marchbank will get pushed aside too easy by either of those two.
I still think Levi is a better option as backup ruckman than taking McKay out of the forward line....his contested marking has been the feature of his game this year and he's more potent when taking them up forward. Charlie is the one that needs to pull his finger out this week. And I'd still have Ed following one of Pendlebury/Sidebottom around....let either of those off the leash to rack up 30+ possessions and their forwards will dine out.
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btw., I liked BBs pre-game presser, https://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2019-05-10/bolton-previews-pies, but I'm not so confident our kids are all that good yet at blocking out the noise as he suggests. But I'll take him at his word.
On a separate issue, SpecialK back is massive, his experience and he's played well against Grundy previously. I like the no runners rule, but I concede our inexperienced team suffers under that rule, so getting an experienced player back in the heat is massive for us.
I realise the MC is probably doing it for a reason, but I feel over the last couple of games they have been a bit slow moving our experienced types back into traditional roles. Especially given you cannot send out a bunch of runners to instruct the kids.
Could the AFL change the runners rule, so that teams that didn't make finals last year can have an extra runner, it would be a great leveller?
I fear that we'll play Reid back into form in much the same way we did with Brown last week. Not sure what size Williamson is but he might be an option for Mihocek but agree, Marchbank will get pushed aside too easy by either of those two.
I still think Levi is a better option as backup ruckman than taking McKay out of the forward line....his contested marking has been the feature of his game this year and he's more potent when taking them up forward. Charlie is the one that needs to pull his finger out this week. And I'd still have Ed following one of Pendlebury/Sidebottom around....let either of those off the leash to rack up 30+ possessions and their forwards will dine out.
Reid was in fair form last week for the Pies, kicked 1.4 though, Mihocek probably has a couple of cm on Williamson but would be too strong for him body wise. Tom still looks a bit underdone physically, I'd play him on Stephenson who is the same height but doesnt play in a physical manner and prefers to find space and always seems to be the man on the end of the joe the goose goals
Problem matchups will be Elliott and DeGoey...no obvious players in our lineup to take them, hoping DeGoey plays midfield more with Beams and Adams out..... dont sell Rupert Wills short either, big unit for a mid and been tearing it up in the twos and would be playing more seniors if the Pies were not so deep.
Fisher for Sidebottom, Ed for Treloar and Dow for Pendlebury...Cripps will get Greenwood regardless of what we want anyway with maybe Mayne rotating with Greenwood....
Have the feeling McGovern may start down back this week, maybe even on DeGoey...Bolton indicated in his presser we may get more creative which is good for the team and him as he is fairly rigid and subdued with his creative side when it comes to tactics IMO.
Have the feeling McGovern may start down back this week, maybe even on DeGoey...Bolton indicated in his presser we may get more creative which is good for the team and him as he is fairly rigid and subdued with his creative side when it comes to tactics IMO.
I hope they don't stuff Weiters around!
Is SoJ a chance of a run with role on Reid, his fathers son? I think Reid is not the lightning quick player he was for his size, and SoJ certainly has his old man's core strength and work ethic. I think SoJ now has the size, at least close enough. Harass, pester, spoil, scrag, interrupt, interfere, irritate, start of a new Silvagni era!
I hope they don't stuff Weiters around!
Is SoJ a chance of a run with role on Reid, his fathers son? I think Reid is not the lightning quick player he was for his size, and SoJ certainly has his old man's core strength and work ethic. I think SoJ now has the size, at least close enough. Harass, pester, spoil, scrag, interrupt, interfere, irritate, start of a new Silvagni era!
Reid has never been quick and has only got slower and with less hair but he is a very very strong mark and I wouldnt want SOSOS on him in any one on ones near goal....
I talked about McGovern playing on DeGoey, the other creative move if McGovern didnt go down back would be to play Casboult on Reid....might happen.
Yes, proving the absolute obvious, like sMurph isn't physically intimidating like Joel Selwood.
You'd fail horribly as a coach, you'd be so hell bent on putting your charges in circumstances that prove their shortcomings, you'd waste all their available talent!
You would just keep playing guys that won’t take their turn.
And that’s where you would fail.
Clarkson doesn’t cop it, but you would.
They don’t call it a team game for nothing.
Not everyone needs to be Luke Hodge, but if it’s your turn to tackle or take physical pressure you should.
Especially when you’re supposedly a leader.
I'm with you JH, for a supposed team leader he's been less than underwhelming. Stand up or piss off IMO.
If we had much to bring in I'd agree.
It sounds like we are dropping Murphy for the sake of it to bring in someone else who isnt up to it.
Cutting your nose off to spite your face.
That's not the sort of club culture we want.
If we had much to bring in I'd agree.
It sounds like we are dropping Murphy for the sake of it to bring in someone else who isnt up to it.
Cutting your nose off to spite your face.
That's not the sort of club culture we want.
That’s exactly what we want.
It’s setting standards that we have refused to do for years, hence the pathetic club we are today.
We just keep accepting the same pathetic half efforts and it will not change unless the match committee and Bolton make a stand.
LOB sees it and thinks I will play the same way.
SPS will follow suit and soon enough another group is lost.
We should have sent Murphy to Brisbane, not Mitch Robinson.
That’s exactly what we want.
It’s setting standards that we have refused to do for years, hence the pathetic club we are today.
We just keep accepting the same pathetic half efforts and it will not change unless the match committee and Bolton make a stand.
LOB sees it and thinks I will play the same way.
SPS will follow suit and soon enough another group is lost.
We should have sent Murphy to Brisbane, not Mitch Robinson.
We simply dont have enough class to bring in to allow the removal of a player because he can't be thug.
Or are you saying we should play polson and Kennedy??
Dow needs to be dropped too.
It's not about being a thug, that's crap, its about 100% commitment. Its about pure, unadultered will to win, and damn the consequences.
I'm having trouble putting this into words, and maybe its just perceptions resulting from two bottles of red and 20 years of abject frustration, but there's been an issue at the club for a long time. Blokes that run around and look like they're engaged, but they're aren't. The kind that get a reasonable number of possessions but don't influence the game. They lay tackles that rarely stick, they chase but the opponent always gets away, they never seem to quite get into position to block or spoil or whatever. They chase kicks and don't worry about their opponent. Its frustrating because as players they are more than capable of meaningful contributions.
Maybe they are just perennially unlucky and their tackles are all broken by stronger players. Maybe they lack or have lost a yard and their opponents break clear from contests and they get left trailing a few steps behind. But I can't believe this, because its a pattern.
There's an exCFC player now at Adelaide who was the epitome of this kind of player.
Cripps was pretty cut and dried about commitment this week. I wouldn't want to be the teammate who came off on Saturday giving less than 100% .
x2
btw., I liked BBs pre-game presser, https://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2019-05-10/bolton-previews-pies, but I'm not so confident our kids are all that good yet at blocking out the noise as he suggests. But I'll take him at his word.
On a separate issue, SpecialK back is massive, his experience and he's played well against Grundy previously. I like the no runners rule, but I concede our inexperienced team suffers under that rule, so getting an experienced player back in the heat is massive for us.
I realise the MC is probably doing it for a reason, but I feel over the last couple of games they have been a bit slow moving our experienced types back into traditional roles. Especially given you cannot send out a bunch of runners to instruct the kids.
Could the AFL change the runners rule, so that teams that didn't make finals last year can have an extra runner, it would be a great leveller?
I support Bolton but I didn’t enjoy his press conference at all. Specifically, he can’t be serious claiming that we’ve only been disappointed with 4 quarters this year given we’re 1-6. That’s delusional.
Adelaide worked him out Prof. I had him at game number 1. Timid.
The amount of fantasising that goes on here. Gibbs was dropped for 1 game and was back in the next week. Roughead has also been dropped, for at least 1 game, and possibly indefinitely. Both have played over 250 games. But apparently Gibbs has finally been worked out, which means that the Crows were asleep at the wheel for more than a decade of Gibbs' career, and also failed to do their homework for 2 successive trade periods. Well clearly, if they want the real truth instead of fake news, they should come here. The place where people know footballers better than any coach, analyst, recruiter, scout etc. from a professional club.
And Murphy ? Ah Murph. 15 seasons, 5 coaches, dozens of team mates, assistant coaches, board members, journalists, and no one has been able to rein him in. He told Malthouse to f2ck off, he told Judd to f2ck off, any hard nut that gets in his way, he just mows them down, puts 'em in their place, and shows them who's boss. Because nobody, and I mean nobody, is going to tell Murphy that he has to get off his fat ar$e, pull his finger out and CONTRIBUTE. Nobody has been able to pull him aside and tell him to stop being such a softc0ck, no coach has dropped him, and nobody has been able to see this complete sham of a footballer, except the experts on here.
Thank God for footy forum experts.
We simply dont have enough class to bring in to allow the removal of a player because he can't be thug.
Or are you saying we should play polson and Kennedy??
Dow needs to be dropped too.
A thug?
If he tackles he’s a thug?
Serious?
The amount of fantasising that goes on here. Gibbs was dropped for 1 game and was back in the next week. Roughead has also been dropped, for at least 1 game, and possibly indefinitely. Both have played over 250 games. But apparently Gibbs has finally been worked out, which means that the Crows were asleep at the wheel for more than a decade of Gibbs' career, and also failed to do their homework for 2 successive trade periods. Well clearly, if they want the real truth instead of fake news, they should come here. The place where people know footballers better than any coach, analyst, recruiter, scout etc. from a professional club.
And Murphy ? Ah Murph. 15 seasons, 5 coaches, dozens of team mates, assistant coaches, board members, journalists, and no one has been able to rein him in. He told Malthouse to f2ck off, he told Judd to f2ck off, any hard nut that gets in his way, he just mows them down, puts 'em in their place, and shows them who's boss. Because nobody, and I mean nobody, is going to tell Murphy that he has to get off his fat ar$e, pull his finger out and CONTRIBUTE. Nobody has been able to pull him aside and tell him to stop being such a softc0ck, no coach has dropped him, and nobody has been able to see this complete sham of a footballer, except the experts on here.
Thank God for footy forum experts.
You need a holiday Paul. Don't know what your drama is, but it's a big one....
The amount of fantasising that goes on here. Gibbs was dropped for 1 game and was back in the next week. Roughead has also been dropped, for at least 1 game, and possibly indefinitely. Both have played over 250 games. But apparently Gibbs has finally been worked out, which means that the Crows were asleep at the wheel for more than a decade of Gibbs' career, and also failed to do their homework for 2 successive trade periods. Well clearly, if they want the real truth instead of fake news, they should come here. The place where people know footballers better than any coach, analyst, recruiter, scout etc. from a professional club.
And Murphy ? Ah Murph. 15 seasons, 5 coaches, dozens of team mates, assistant coaches, board members, journalists, and no one has been able to rein him in. He told Malthouse to f2ck off, he told Judd to f2ck off, any hard nut that gets in his way, he just mows them down, puts 'em in their place, and shows them who's boss. Because nobody, and I mean nobody, is going to tell Murphy that he has to get off his fat ar$e, pull his finger out and CONTRIBUTE. Nobody has been able to pull him aside and tell him to stop being such a softc0ck, no coach has dropped him, and nobody has been able to see this complete sham of a footballer, except the experts on here.
Thank God for footy forum experts.
x2, reality is harsh for some, and it seems the sMurph haters have a miserable life!
Even from last weeks below average game for him, he was far far from being our worst.
FFS, Harry the Wunderkind, ball bombed long and high into the F50, to the advantage of a 206cm x 100kg ultramobile jumping leaping forward, you'd think defenders would be terrified, got 1 kick from 30 or so sparse entries, so few he hardly had to make an effort all day! Must have been tired! That's Casboult level output at it's best! Crickets from the regular offenders. But sMurph apparently gave away the crown jewels to the opposition and dragged the other 21 players down with him! What a superhuman effort, better and more lethal than Eddie Everywhere sending MM our way! ;D
You need a holiday Paul. Don't know what your drama is, but it's a big one....
Yeah, I'm all emotional and irrational. Must be that time of month. If only I could put up cogent, logical, convincing arguments like others on here.
And why must the kids only take the lead from Murphy ? They can't learn from Cripps, they can't learn from Kreuzer, they can't learn from Simpson ? No, those blokes are all out of the picture, and are incapable of showing the kids anything, because they all fall hopelessly under the spell of our No 3 ? Because Murphy is so terrifying that the other seniors don't want to interfere with his good work ?
Give it up.
A thug?
If he tackles he’s a thug?
Serious?
He's never going to be the type that could tackle with intent. That left the moment his shoulder got smashed in his first season with us (because failed to protect him when he was a kid).
We are as culpable in that regard as he is.
Now we have bigger bodies let's make a statement and drop a bloke that leads our team most weeks for metres gained because he has one tackle on the score sheet instead of 3, even though his pressure acts are up there.
It's broken logic.
We dont have enough players staking a claim to do it. We could drop 5 blokes who we are carrying most weeks before getting to Murphy in his poorest season and the only bloke who's a likely replacement is Kennedy and he isnt in sterling form.
I'd drop dow before Murphy at this stage.
He's never going to be the type that could tackle with intent. That left the moment his shoulder got smashed in his first season with us (because failed to protect him when he was a kid).
We are as culpable in that regard as he is.
Now we have bigger bodies let's make a statement and drop a bloke that leads our team most weeks for metres gained because he has one tackle on the score sheet instead of 3, even though his pressure acts are up there.
It's broken logic.
We dont have enough players staking a claim to do it. We could drop 5 blokes who we are carrying most weeks before getting to Murphy in his poorest season and the only bloke who's a likely replacement is Kennedy and he isnt in sterling form.
I'd drop dow before Murphy at this stage.
Dow needs to learn in the seniors not play with a bunch of bananas in the NB's who cant handle suburban footballers, he isnt in great form and I understand the thinking but our
twos are not the place to learn IMO. If Mick Barlow or someone capable was playing Full time and could take Dow under his wing and teach him then I would agree the NB's is fine but
with what I have seen Dow wouldnt learn anything.
Rather see him play on Pendlebury etc and learn from the best than get 20 kicks on Joe average in the twos and become the next Nick Graham....
Dow needs to learn in the seniors not play with a bunch of bananas in the NB's who cant handle suburban footballers, he isnt in great form and I understand the thinking but our
twos are not the place to learn IMO. If Mick Barlow or someone capable was playing Full time and could take Dow under his wing and teach him then I would agree the NB's is fine but
with what I have seen Dow wouldnt learn anything.
Rather see him play on Pendlebury etc and learn from the best than get 20 kicks on Joe average in the twos and become the next Nick Graham....
I know what you mean but dow has been in terrible form this season.
He could use a few weeks in the vfl to build confidence and form.
Last week against north, the kids learned nothing aside from what not to do.
That might have been useful but, not in all cases. Not all senior footy is good senior footy. Form, confidence and practice with ball in hand at vfl level is not to be underestimated. Not to mention doing it tougher in the vfl can build resilience.
I'd wager that the physicality is higher in the vfl.
He's never going to be the type that could tackle with intent. That left the moment his shoulder got smashed in his first season with us (because failed to protect him when he was a kid).
We are as culpable in that regard as he is.
Now we have bigger bodies let's make a statement and drop a bloke that leads our team most weeks for metres gained because he has one tackle on the score sheet instead of 3, even though his pressure acts are up there.
It's broken logic.
We dont have enough players staking a claim to do it. We could drop 5 blokes who we are carrying most weeks before getting to Murphy in his poorest season and the only bloke who's a likely replacement is Kennedy and he isnt in sterling form.
I'd drop dow before Murphy at this stage.
You would.
But then the young guys keep learning off Murphy.
Some of the excuses you blokes make up are amazing.
So now the CFC wrecked him from game 1.
Poor Mark needs to retire.
CFC may not have wrecked him from day one but they definitely did him no favours.
Disgrace may be a bit harsh but some folks probably needed to have a good hard look at themselves.
I'm not going to defend Murphy's current output and effort but the support, protection and example he was given by the team when he first came into the competition was very, very poor.
Hopefully that was a lesson learned
You would.
But then the young guys keep learning off Murphy.
Some of the excuses you blokes make up are amazing.
So now the CFC wrecked him from game 1.
Poor Mark needs to retire.
https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pp-carlton-blues--marc-murphy
Averaging 2.1 tackles a game.
No one is saying he can't tackle, no one is saying he shouldn't tackle.
People are simply advocating playing him to his strengths.
Whilst his strengths aren't what they used to be he is still sitting in our top 10 performing players for the year, and we re playing kids who aren't ready yet.
If we delisted him last year, he'd get a game at pretty much every club. Maybe as depth, or maybe in the exact sort of role we are advocating for him where he isnt at the coalface but irrespective he'd still be getting a game, and we would be lamenting his absence whilst we play Cameron polson, Jarrod garlett, lochie o brien, Alex fasolo, Darcy lang, and moaning about how inexperienced our side is.
Leadership isnt always about having an effect by doing. Have we learned nothing from the absence of kade Simpson and what impact his absence has had on our defense???
I'd wager after today we will have conceded more points without him in the team for the last 10 quarters than we did when he was playing in the first 5 games.
Was watching a Youtube yesterday re. our great comeback from 48 points down to beat Ess in 2007. Really was one to highlight Fev's great effort in that game, but it also showed a very youthful Murphy (among others) delivering beautiful lace out passes to Fev I50. Only highlights, but he did look like a very polished performer. I'm sure his years with us have done him no favours so we should always bear that in mind.
Was watching a Youtube yesterday re. our great comeback from 48 points down to beat Ess in 2007. Really was one to highlight Fev's great effort in that game, but it also showed a very youthful Murphy (among others) delivering beautiful lace out passes to Fev I50. Only highlights, but he did look like a very polished performer. I'm sure his years with us have done him no favours so we should always bear that in mind.
Great minds Cookie...that video popped up on Youtube for me and I had a look too and its good therapy for us beaten down supporters.
Never was a real fan of Ryan Houlihan but he hit Fev up with some great passes. Murphy was prominent but seemed to have unusually black hair.
Elwood. How could you not like Hoops. He looked like he had all the time in the world and at times had silky skills like very few. Sure he had bad games but footage of his best games are simply outstanding.
If we delisted him last year, he'd get a game at pretty much every club.
ROFL.
Questions :
Why aren't the young guys learning off Kreuzer, Simpson, Curnow, Cripps ? Why must they only learn off Murphy ? Does he have a monopoly on teaching ? So these other blokes just stand around doing nothing whilst Murphy "destroys" another generation of youngsters ? Where are the previous generations that he's destroyed ? Can anyone give me one single name ?
Answer :
Because it's a fantasy. A fantasy argument constructed by people who see a negative outcome, see a player they don't like, and join the two using the most simplistic cause and effect you can imagine.
Elwood. How could you not like Hoops. He looked like he had all the time in the world and at times had silky skills like very few. Sure he had bad games but footage of his best games are simply outstanding.
Fev has named Hoops as his preferred player of all delivering the ball to him.
His nickname on this site was "the blouse" from memory.
https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pp-carlton-blues--marc-murph
If we delisted him last year, he'd get a game at pretty much every club. Maybe as depth, or maybe in the exact sort of role we are advocating for him where he isnt at the coalface but irrespective he'd still be getting a game, and we would be lamenting his absence whilst we play Cameron polson, Jarrod garlett, lochie o brien, Alex fasolo, Darcy lang, and moaning about how inexperienced our side is
Or we could have spent that money and a bit more on two far more complete players, that work both ways and offer far greater support to the likes of Fisher, Dow, Walsh and SPS so we don’t end up with 4 more Mark Murphy’s in 3 years that have all the excuses under the sun about why they can’t tackle effectively.
So if Murphy as one of our leaders can’t provide such protection and support the cycle continues!!!
What other club and what other player has had these excuses?
All I know is if we lose we are on the bottom again. Crows will be pleased.
Questions :
Why aren't the young guys learning off Kreuzer, Simpson, Curnow, Cripps ? Why must they only learn off Murphy ? Does he have a monopoly on teaching ? So these other blokes just stand around doing nothing whilst Murphy "destroys" another generation of youngsters ? Where are the previous generations that he's destroyed ? Can anyone give me one single name ?
Answer :
Because it's a fantasy. A fantasy argument constructed by people who see a negative outcome, see a player they don't like, and join the two using the most simplistic cause and effect you can imagine.
Perhaps we should have a Game of Thrones thread for Murphy fantasies ????
Elwood. How could you not like Hoops. He looked like he had all the time in the world and at times had silky skills like very few. Sure he had bad games but footage of his best games are simply outstanding.
Mants..he had great skills but didnt go that hard for the footy and like Prof said earned the name " Blouse" on this site, think the Sheik aka the evil Lord might have
christened him that name and became a frustating player that polarized a lot of supporters.
Questions :
Why aren't the young guys learning off Kreuzer, Simpson, Curnow, Cripps ? Why must they only learn off Murphy ? Does he have a monopoly on teaching ? So these other blokes just stand around doing nothing whilst Murphy "destroys" another generation of youngsters ? Where are the previous generations that he's destroyed ? Can anyone give me one single name ?
Answer :
Because it's a fantasy. A fantasy argument constructed by people who see a negative outcome, see a player they don't like, and join the two using the most simplistic cause and effect you can imagine.
Ok answer me this.
Do you think he provides a good example to our young guys?
Do you think he is a great leader?
Do you think others might follow his example of not chasing and tackling and applying pressure?
Perhaps we should have a Game of Thrones thread for Murphy fantasies ????
We need a "Marc Murphy destroys" Youtube channel, just like the Jordan Petersen destroys series.
I don't want to blame Murphy for our failings.
He played one of the all time horror first halves last week but was much better in the second. He's not without his good efforts here and there but I have the opinion that dropping him to the VFL would be the best thing the club has done in 5 years.
His half effort to reach an opponent who was waiting to mark the ball on the wing in the first quarter was so typical of our team. Anyone who does that needs to be held accountable.
The crows did it with Gibbs. Why do we accept what others don't?
Repeatedly and constantly.
Questions :
Why aren't the young guys learning off Kreuzer, Simpson, Curnow, Cripps ? Why must they only learn off Murphy ? Does he have a monopoly on teaching ? So these other blokes just stand around doing nothing whilst Murphy "destroys" another generation of youngsters ? Where are the previous generations that he's destroyed ? Can anyone give me one single name ?
Answer :
Because it's a fantasy. A fantasy argument constructed by people who see a negative outcome, see a player they don't like, and join the two using the most simplistic cause and effect you can imagine.
Have you tried meditation? Passion flower tea? ;) :)
I don't think it's either / or. Of course the young ones are learning from the Simmo's, K's, Ed's and so forth. But with experience and Captaincy comes reasonable expectation, and that includes Murph.
The discussion now is about the Murphy of now, not the Murphy of years ago.
Roughead wasn't dropped to 'set an example', he was dropped for not performing to an expected level. Many believe that Murphy, at this time, is not performing to a level he should. Murph has made some dreadful errors of late, even gifting goal scoring turnovers - and that demoralises team mates. Standards for very experienced players are understandably high, as they should be. Kids are cut some slack... for a bit.
And the other issue is about our habit over the years of gifting players games - be it because he was the teacher's pet, the cupboard was bare or simply reputation. Sellers made a point of this on the teev the other night, he even commented that some senior players needed to be dropped for non-performing.
Perhaps we should have a Game of Thrones thread for Murphy fantasies ????
I was writing a bit of a summary the other day about our periods under the coaches since Parkin and I thought to myself.... this club is like a bloody "Game of Thrones" scenario...except in some cases it's more fanciful.
I was writing a bit of a summary the other day about our periods under the coaches since Parkin and I thought to myself.... this club is like a bloody "Game of Thrones" scenario...except in some cases it's more fanciful.
What is this 'Game of Thrones' you speak of? I think I'm the only person I know who has no interest in this series at all... likewise, Married at First Sight. I tried watching (at Mrs Baggers insistence) Married at First Sight but last only about 4 or 5 minutes... you can actually feel IQ points draining from your brain as you watch this show.
Married at First Sight. I tried watching (at Mrs Baggers insistence) Married at First Sight but last only about 4 or 5 minutes... you can actually feel IQ points draining from your brain as you watch this show.
If you say that to your Mrs your IQ level could already be shot. :)
PS I've never watched it.
We need a "Marc Murphy destroys" Youtube channel, just like the Jordan Petersen destroys series.
Sinister, deceptive little pr1ck (hope I haven't offended you -- again -- but I am amazed that anyone can take this d1ckhead seriously). Canadian laws of suitability for psychological studies need to be tightened.
If you say that to your Mrs your IQ level could already be shot. :)
PS I've never watched it.
I did, and immediately put my hands over the aggotts... ;) ;) :)
What is this 'Game of Thrones' you speak of? I think I'm the only person I know who has no interest in this series at all... likewise, Married at First Sight. I tried watching (at Mrs Baggers insistence) Married at First Sight but last only about 4 or 5 minutes... you can actually feel IQ points draining from your brain as you watch this show.
You're not the only one Baggers.
It's somewhat trendy to be a critic
I do hope you're not like a lot of the 'ignorant' critics and have at least given the show a watch before dismissing it.
I'm more a book fan than a TV series fan.
What was once a good TV show, while it followed pretty closely to the books, has descended into a hurried mish mash as it races to a conclusion
We need a "Marc Murphy destroys" Youtube channel, just like the Jordan Petersen destroys series.
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You're not the only one Baggers.
It's somewhat trendy to be a critic
I do hope you're not like a lot of the 'ignorant' critics and have at least given the show a watch before dismissing it.
I'm more a book fan than a TV series fan.
What was once a good TV show, while it followed pretty closely to the books, has descended into a hurried mish mash as it races to a conclusion
I did and could see its appeal, but, like you I know many better ways to spend my time... ;D
What is this 'Game of Thrones' you speak of? I think I'm the only person I know who has no interest in this series at all... likewise, Married at First Sight. I tried watching (at Mrs Baggers insistence) Married at First Sight but last only about 4 or 5 minutes... you can actually feel IQ points draining from your brain as you watch this show.
*raises hand*
Never watched either of GoT or MAFS.
....and thusly, i'm not losing my freaking mind over a freakin' coffee cup.
Just showed the Blues in the dressing room meeting room on Fox, Phillips was there, Kreuzer was also but looked like he was less kitted up. Hard to tell as he was barely in shot.
*raises hand*
Never watched either of GoT or MAFS.
....and thusly, i'm not losing my freaking mind over a freakin' coffee cup.
Off topic something fierce but GoT is brilliant. MAFs is a pile of puss thats simply best described as embarrassing.
Just thinking about this game, there is not a line we can beat or even match them on. This could get real ugly. :(
Now they are showing the 1979 Premiership players and other Carlton greats all gathered around the boundary line to greet the players. Hair standing on the back of my neck, Perc, Sellers, Bucks, Doull, Southby, Curly, Swan the list goes on
Just thinking about this game, there is not a line we can beat or even match them on. This could get real ugly. :(
Its us vs the Pies and a rival game where strange things happen, keep the faith, they will be cocky and might not turn up mentally.
They might lose the game rather than us win it...
Now they are showing the 1979 Premiership players and other Carlton greats all gathered around the boundary line to greet the players. Hair standing on the back of my neck, Perc, Sellers, Bucks, Doull, Southby, Curly, Swan the list goes on
Watching the same thing. Hair, neck, on end. I remember the day so clearly ('79 GF)... similar weather to today.
Well, the last time greats assembled before a game we got up and won the unexpected. No doubt many at the club anticipate and hope for a similar result.
Go Blues.
Surely we lift for this. Reckon boys will want to test themself against the top team.
All depends on our midfield imo. If we draw even in there we can be competitive. If we younger boys in Dow settlefield sps Fisher Walsh etc struggle to go with their midfield group will be a thrashing.
Not expecting to win but am expecting effort and pressure this week. Pies by 4 goals
Kruze ran out
We'll probably know in the first 5-10 minutes which Carlton team has turned up.
If it's Good Carlton we're in with a show...if the other lot show up it will be a long afternoon.
We'll probably know in the first 5-10 minutes which Carlton team has turned up.
If it's Good Carlton we're in with a show...if the other lot show up it will be a long afternoon.
A strong start is imperative, first few goals is a must. Not confident. I watched for a qtr last week, dont know how long I will last today.
Its us vs the Pies and a rival game where strange things happen, keep the faith, they will be cocky and might not turn up mentally.
They might lose the game rather than us win it...
Lord hear our Prayer
Is GOT musical chairs played in a toilet block?
Is GOT musical chairs played in a toilet block?
How many kids you got Cookie? That's got 'dad joke' written all over it.
How many kids you got Cookie? That's got 'dad joke' written all over it.
I've got 5 grand children. ::)