or rather the midfield...
He's a magnificent beast.
No doubt we will need to be very cautious of poachers in the future.
As good as we thought Patrick Cripps was, I reckon he went to a new level last weekend.
Said it before and I'll say it again, he will be a one Club player. All class, full to the brim of old school values and a handy player to boot. A dying breed is Crippa.
or rather the midfield...
He's a magnificent beast.
No doubt we will need to be very cautious of poachers in the future.
As good as we thought Patrick Cripps was, I reckon he went to a new level last weekend.
It astounds me he many non Carlton supporters love him.
Can't remember other Carlton greats getting such universal respect
or rather the midfield...
He's a magnificent beast.
No doubt we will need to be very cautious of poachers in the future.
As good as we thought Patrick Cripps was, I reckon he went to a new level last weekend.
If anyone ever questioned exactly how good he was - the Pies' game would have removed any doubt....he torched all who tried to quell him!
And once Special K gets fully match fit - if he can at least negate Grundy....look out.
Does one gem square the ledger for dozens of stuff ups ? I could almost forgive Hughes/Rogers, simply because of him
Does one gem square the ledger for dozens of stuff ups ? I could almost forgive Hughes/Rogers, simply because of him
no way.
no way.
I guess you're right. Still, if you're only going to land 1 in 100, Cripps is the one.
no way.
Nothing will ever atone for those two idiots
We really should be looking at adding another elephant in the square.
Grundy should be our next target.
Kruezer is almost cooked
We really should be looking at adding another elephant in the square.
Grundy should be our next target.
Kruezer is almost cooked
Grundy will qualify as a restricted free agent at the end of the 2020 season - we should be going all out.
We really should be looking at adding another elephant in the square.
Grundy should be our next target.
Kruezer is almost cooked
https://www.triplem.com.au/story/tom-browne-says-brodie-grundy-is-likely-to-give-up-massive-money-to-stay-at-collingwood-135938
An A-Grade ruckmen should be a priority in this year's trade period. Kreuzer makes a huge difference to our team when he's out there but his longevity must be in doubt now and Phillips and Lobbe are just backups at best. Grundy will demand, and get, huge coin but he's worth it. No harm in asking the question and the worst that can happen is he says no. We've never landed a big fish in free agency....rucking to a young midfield on the rise would have to hold some appeal to him?.....Cripps, Walsh, Dow, SPS, Fisher, Setterfield....
We really should be looking at adding another elephant in the square.
Grundy should be our next target.
Kruezer is almost cooked
Agree.....although Grundy is zero chance IMO, if he goes anywhere and I doubt that will happen it would be back to SA.
I notice Essendon are courting a big unit ruckman in Michael Knoll from Sth Adelaide for the mid season draft, we should be looking now as well and
I prefer a ready to go ruck rather than a newbie thin kid.
Lobbe is cooked as well and Philips isnt up to it vs the better ruckman in the league.
What's the concensus on who, if anyone, we take in this mid-season draft? Do we go for the best available or address the immediate problems that we have in the back half at the moment with Docherty and Williamson out for the medium/long term? Young Dunkley looks like an option.
Agree.....although Grundy is zero chance IMO, if he goes anywhere and I doubt that will happen it would be back to SA.
...............
Yes, agree EB. Top player, but zero chance. A good, honest McEvoy/Nankervis/Mumford type will be much cheaper and will complement our developing midfield and Cripps quite nicely.
Let me throw another elephant into the room. Marchbank. Couldn't be more impressed with his Rottingwood game and how he has grown a little taller with his two buddies (Simpson and Newman) missing.
About bloody time though.
Does one gem square the ledger for dozens of stuff ups ? I could almost forgive Hughes/Rogers, simply because of him
No farken chance Pauly
We really should be looking at adding another elephant in the square.
Grundy should be our next target.
Kruezer is almost cooked
I said the same in another thread, we should throw everything including the kitchen sink at him.
I said the same in another thread, we should throw everything including the kitchen sink at him.
It'd take a lot to pry him out of Collingwood.
I reckon whatever Adelaide will offer (is offering) will blow us out of the water (7 year 1mil+/year offer) so we should focus our efforts elsewhere IMO.
No farken chance Pauly
No, I guess I let my man love for Cripps get the better of me.
More realistic might be Witts from Gold Coast.
More realistic might be Witts from Gold Coast.
Think he signed a 5 year deal till 2024 for good coin and is co captain, that horse has bolted.
Probably should have shown a bit more interest in Preuss given he is wasting his time at Melbourne, type of hombre we need vs Mummy on Sunday.
Let me throw another elephant into the room. Marchbank. Couldn't be more impressed with his Rottingwood game and how he has grown a little taller with his two buddies (Simpson and Newman) missing.
Great call Baggers - good to acknowledge his performance as he’s been a bit of a whipping boy
Preuss was taken in the rookie draft....there must be a stack of blokes his size around...just need to look and do due diligence?
Don't need to be the prettiest of players if they're hug and have mongrel?
Don't need to be the prettiest of players if they're hug and have mongrel?
You big ol softy you ????
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You big ol softy you ????
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:-[
hug should have been big! oops!
It'd take a lot to pry him out of Collingwood.
I reckon whatever Adelaide will offer (is offering) will blow us out of the water (7 year 1mil+/year offer) so we should focus our efforts elsewhere IMO.
And more than likely they'll have a very early draft pick (unfortunately) to help trade negotiations along...
Preuss was taken in the rookie draft....there must be a stack of blokes his size around...just need to look and do due diligence?
Don't need to be the prettiest of players if they're hug and have mongrel?
There is a shed load of more traditional Mumford rucks in and around clubs that are targets.
In recent years they feel out of favour with the clubs prefer to recruit athlete types like Phillips and turn them into rucks in the mould of mobile rucks like Blicavs and Kreuzer. A few of us have talked about them in the Mid Season Draft thread, as the gain maturity and endurance they would be more than useful in a role like a Nankervis.
Commentators like Wilson and Browne have no idea when the state there is a dearth of rucks available, they are just talking about TAC Cup types that aren't in the Grundy or Kreuzer grade. Anyway, we've already De Koning in that range, we need an intimidating monster not another cross country runner.
When I started this thread it really wasn't because I thought Cripps was a 'magnificent beast'.
No the "Elephant in the room" is the fact we'd be pretty much f**ked without his presence at this stage of our development.
It's often said a player was a difference between winning and losing.
It's a bit of a throwaway line sometimes, as there are lots of factors in a game.
But I think that you would probably get general agreement that we wouldn't have won the game yesterday without Cripps.
Other players were great contributors...Walsh, Weitering, Ed Curnow, Kreuzer all had very good games.
But Cripps was colossal.
In junior football you sometimes get that more mature kid who dominates a game.
It was a bit like that.
A man playing with and against a group of kids.
His play not only brought others into the game but enthused the playing group and the supporters.
The young kids developing around him could have no better example.
He should win the Brownlow based on that one game!
He should win the Brownlow based on that one game!
You think they should award 30 points count for this one game LP.
When I started this thread it really wasn't because I thought Cripps was a 'magnificent beast'.
No the "Elephant in the room" is the fact we'd be pretty much f**ked without his presence at this stage of our development.
It's often said a player was a difference between winning and losing.
It's a bit of a throwaway line sometimes, as there are lots of factors in a game.
But I think that you would probably get general agreement that we wouldn't have won the game yesterday without Cripps.
Other players were great contributors...Walsh, Weitering, Ed Curnow, Kreuzer all had very good games.
But Cripps was colossal.
In junior football you sometimes get that more mature kid who dominates a game.
It was a bit like that.
A man playing with and against a group of kids.
His play not only brought others into the game but enthused the playing group and the supporters.
The young kids developing around him could have no better example.
I agree entirely Lods. I think that we could be competitive without him for a game or two, provided everyone else on our list was fit and firing, but Crippa is irreplaceable. The team’s dismal performances when he had off days shows how reliant we are.
What I really liked about his game yesterday was how much he was enjoying himself. After the burden he has shouldered, it was great to see him reaping the rewards of his efforts.
For the first time in a while, players like Liam Stocker, Cam Poulson, Josh Deluca would be sitting in the stands saying ‘I want to be part of this’, rather than simply ‘I hope I get a game next week’ There’s a big difference.
For the first time in a while, players like Liam Stocker, Cam Poulson, Josh Deluca would be sitting in the stands saying ‘I want to be part of this’, rather than simply ‘I hope I get a game next week’ There’s a big difference.
I wouldn't mind access to your thought detecting machine. :D
You think they should award 30 points count for this one game LP.
I haven't seen a better individual game all year, yet I might not even give him top votes!
Fans need to keep focussed on the big picture, we need another durable, aggressive and mobile ruck, someone who demands attention and delivers 2nd or 3rd efforts. Cripps life is much easier when Kreuzer plays well.
I haven't seen a better individual game all year.............
Best game by any player AFL player this season according to some scribes.
Best game by any player AFL player this season according to some scribes.
Kouta ‘circa 2000’.
38 pos and 4 goals despite heavy tag.
His possessions weren't little fiddly TomMitchell ones either nor rushed. Always decisive.
It's hard to imagine how you'd play a better game.
38 pos and 4 goals despite heavy tag.
His possessions weren't little fiddly TomMitchell ones either nor rushed. Always decisive.
It's hard to imagine how you'd play a better game.
Last player to get 38 disposals and 4 goals was Ablett Jr at his absolute best in 2012. Last Carlton player was Kouta in 2000.
He should win the Brownlow based on that one game!
He lifted to another level (if thats possible) on the back of a poor performance last week and the sacking of a man he respects immensely (as shown by his nominating him during his on field interview).
When I started this thread it really wasn't because I thought Cripps was a 'magnificent beast'.
No the "Elephant in the room" is the fact we'd be pretty much f**ked without his presence at this stage of our development.
It's often said a player was a difference between winning and losing.
It's a bit of a throwaway line sometimes, as there are lots of factors in a game.
But I think that you would probably get general agreement that we wouldn't have won the game yesterday without Cripps.
Other players were great contributors...Walsh, Weitering, Ed Curnow, Kreuzer all had very good games.
But Cripps was colossal.
In junior football you sometimes get that more mature kid who dominates a game.
It was a bit like that.
A man playing with and against a group of kids.
His play not only brought others into the game but enthused the playing group and the supporters.
The young kids developing around him could have no better example.
No doubt Cripps was an absolute beast that won us the game.
On the other side of the coin...
If we got the same output from Cripps in other games this year, how many more wins would we have on the board?
I'd suggest we certainly wouldn't be sitting last on the ladder with only 2 wins.
Of course thats unreasonable to expect that, but its more about the timing of the performance more than anything else.
Kouta ‘circa 2000’.
I was reading where Kouta got 125 supercoach points in the last quarter of that prelim.
Cripps out means someone else plays in his absence.
Sure that match winning performance is the value of two players but it might have meant a different output from a few players with a winning result.
Not saying we would have won without cripps but we did used to say similar about Judd.
My simple philosophy on the subject. Would you rather have a genuine gun on your team or be playing against him? It's very nice having one.
My simple philosophy on the subject. Would you rather have a genuine gun on your team or be playing against him? It's very nice having one.
absolutely.
In fact you'd rather have 3.
No doubt Cripps was an absolute beast that won us the game.
On the other side of the coin...
If we got the same output from Cripps in other games this year, how many more wins would we have on the board?
I'd suggest we certainly wouldn't be sitting last on the ladder with only 2 wins.
Of course thats unreasonable to expect that, but its more about the timing of the performance more than anything else.
I think you're agreeing with me.
The real strength of the rest our list is best determined when Cripps is either shut out of a game or missing.
How well do other stand up in the absence of his presence and play making?
Hopefully he's not missing too often.
Cripps out means someone else plays in his absence.
Sure that match winning performance is the value of two players but it might have meant a different output from a few players with a winning result.
Not saying we would have won without cripps but we did used to say similar about Judd.
Others do step up in the absence of a gun player.
A coach in a development scenario, with nothing on the line may even be tempted to rest a champ just to test that out.
See which players do step up.
We wont see that this year
If Cripps doesnt play we would get hammered every week, the Nth game showed when he was held we were hopeless, doesnt matter who is coaching either.
One thing Teague needs to do apart from getting in some more A grade mids is change the game plan so we are not so Cripps dependent, its worse than when Judd played IMO...
One thing Teague needs to do apart from getting in some more A grade mids is change the game plan so we are not so Cripps dependent, its worse than when Judd played IMO...
I think BB was trying that over the last couple of weeks and it contributed to him losing his job, but reality is that Teague has no job to lose!
I agree, but how do you develop that tactic without penalising Teague?
I think you're agreeing with me.
The real strength of the rest our list is best determined when Cripps is either shut out of a game or missing.
How well do other stand up in the absence of his presence and play making?
Hopefully he's not missing too often.
I am agreeing with you.
Just pointing out that in with all the teague love in that is going on, and understandably so, there was really only 1 reason for the win. The same reasons we may not have won games under Bolton......single-handed dominance of a game by one P. Cripps.
I think our kids will catch up and become solid players, but right now they are still hitching their wagon to the biggest beast we've seen since Kouta.
If we’re taliibg about relying on Cripps, it’s a bit unfair to not also include Kreuzer as he’s probably as important at this stage of our development.
Having said that I think our current over reliance will be temporary - across the midfield I couldn’t have been more pleased with the performances of Walsh, Dow, Fisher, Gibbons and this lesser extent Setterfield yesterday and I’ve no doubt that in year or so that group plus SPS and Cuningham will be winning games for us even in the absence of Cripps.
In relation to Kreuzer, De Koning looks the goods and could spot straight into the side from next year.
Small forwards and skilled running defenders are higher priorities.
^^^^This.
I couldn't agree more. When (if - injury and poaching permitting) they've played 50 together, they will be a powerful diverse midfield.
I think BB was trying that over the last couple of weeks and it contributed to him losing his job, but reality is that Teague has no job to lose!
I agree, but how do you develop that tactic without penalising Teague?
Agree.
In fact, Bolton in his 77 games probably was able to play all of Murphy, cripps and kreuzer together for less than half of his stint.
You can probably add curnow the elder and docherty to that too.
Very unlucky.
If Cripps doesnt play we would get hammered every week, the Nth game showed when he was held we were hopeless, doesnt matter who is coaching either.
One thing Teague needs to do apart from getting in some more A grade mids is change the game plan so we are not so Cripps dependent, its worse than when Judd played IMO...
There was a lot of talk before and during the game about moving Cripps into the forward zone for longer periods. Don't know if that eventuated but it seemed like he was everywhere - haven't seen his heat map.
There was a lot of talk before and during the game about moving Cripps into the forward zone for longer periods. Don't know if that eventuated but it seemed like he was everywhere - haven't seen his heat map.
Having Cripps drift forward more is a game winner IMO, 99.99% of opposition mids cant go with him size wise and he has improved his goalkicking too.
He was really running on adrenaline in that game and was super human like ,reckon his heat map would have been off the chart and in the nuclear zone :)
He's a good chance at the medal
Cripps is a beast on and off the field. At the moment, he provides me with hope. If we didn't have him, right now I'd give up and be completely disinterested. I had Hawthorn mates texting me yesterday saying things like "we need to move heaven and earth to get him", "I want him". I just told them all to GAGF and keep their pee and poo hands off him. He drags people through the turnstiles, the way he plays, the way he carries the team in his young shoulders, the way he looks, his size, he is the complete package and is the darling of the comp. If we start winning games, I wonder how much opo supporters will like him then.
How about SOS and Co adopt a new tactic. We win a few more games for the season and Cripps comes along when we try to bring stronger bodies with skills to the club. How about the closing line in the meetings come from him. “Come on a journey to a new future and take the ride with me. I want you by my side. Don’t be scared. Just do it” Not SOS. Not MLG. Not Cain. Cripps gets to close. Who could honestly not believe him or want to be his wing man.
How about SOS and Co adopt a new tactic. We win a few more games for the season and Cripps comes along when we try to bring stronger bodies with skills to the club. How about the closing line in the meetings come from him. “Come on a journey to a new future and take the ride with me. I want you by my side. Don’t be scared. Just do it” Not SOS. Not MLG. Not Cain. Cripps gets to close. Who could honestly not believe him or want to be his wing man.
You've got something there Mantis. Cripps over caviar anytime.
I was just looking at some stats...
Patrick Cripps has had nearly twenty more tackles than the next best (Cripps 80- SPS 61)
He has twice as many as every other player on our list except SPS (61) and Ed Curnow (49)
Next best after those three is Gibbons on 38.
I was just looking at some stats...
Patrick Cripps has had nearly twenty more tackles than the next best (Cripps 80- SPS 61)
He has twice as many as every other player on our list except SPS (61) and Ed Curnow (49)
Next best after those three is Gibbons on 38.
That’s a disgusting stat.
It says a lot about the culture of the group.
I don’t understand why that is accepted by the coaching or leadership group.
I bet effective tackles would make the picture even worse.
Fast players like Dow, Fisher, Cunningham and OBrien should be embarrassed
I was just looking at some stats...
Patrick Cripps has had nearly twenty more tackles than the next best (Cripps 80- SPS 61)
He has twice as many as every other player on our list except SPS (61) and Ed Curnow (49)
Next best after those three is Gibbons on 38.
He spends more time in the middle than anyone which easier to get tackles.
That’s a disgusting stat.
It says a lot about the culture of the group.
I don’t understand why that is accepted by the coaching or leadership group.
I bet effective tackles would make the picture even worse.
Fast players like Dow, Fisher, Cunningham and OBrien should be embarrassed
Indeed, given they're the quickers ones too, allegedly....
He spends more time in the middle than anyone which easier to get tackles.
Exactly.
Its easier to tackle someone who has the ruckman tap the ball directly to a bloke standing one foot in front of you. Ball up, repeat.
I was just looking at some stats...
Patrick Cripps has had nearly twenty more tackles than the next best (Cripps 80- SPS 61)
He has twice as many as every other player on our list except SPS (61) and Ed Curnow (49)
Next best after those three is Gibbons on 38.
I think the taper off in the rest of the group is Lods main point.
It's obvious midfielders should be high on this as confirmed by the stats.
https://finalsiren.com/AFLPlayerStats.asp?SeasonID=2019&Round=&Sort=Tackles%20Desc
The damning thing is there are only two Carlton names in the first page, and only one on the second page!
I think the taper off in the rest of the group is Lods main point.
It was the point that struck me...but after a little further investigation I'm not so sure it's a relevant as I thought.
Have a look at West Coast.
They have a similar drop off after the top 3.
It was the point that struck me...but after a little further investigation I'm not so sure it's a relevant as I thought.
Have a look at West Coast.
They have a similar drop off after the top 3.
Maybe, but if your team is on the bottom of the ladder and not in the top half that suggests you probably spend more time without the football. The measure might be teams around us not comparing us to the top few clubs!