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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Last post by kruddler -
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Not sure many doubted him or his ruck ability.
You're the one who wanted to leave him out of the side :D  :D

One of the thing that's really impressive is his use of handball at the moment.
He's standing in tackles and dishing it off.

Plenty did and kept saying how useless those stats were and how he does nothing around the ground too.

Can't hear any of that now.

Even i underestimated his abilities.

Its imagine what a player can do when he gets back to full fitness.

My preference is still to play 1 ruck and have another player give a chop out, but that other player needs to be able to hold down another spot on his own merits. Currently, TDK is doing that with the absense of a 3rd tall in Silvagnis mold. The moment TDK drops off up forward is the moment he or Pitto needs to be dropped.

Then its a matter of who you think is best and why.

....and thats the part people cant agree on because different people weigh up different areas differently.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Last post by LP -
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One of the thing that's really impressive is his use of handball at the moment.
He's standing in tackles and dishing it off.
For me, it's Pitto's strength that allows him to push off opponents under the new ruck rules, which basically makes him more agile than he would be if he was just in a flat foot race to the footy. If opponents grab his arm they are likely to get pinged for holding, and when Pitto pushes off he becomes another ground ball player, he is above average below the knees for a bloke his size.

In this regard the "strong arm" rule is perhaps better for Pitto than say Nankervis or McInerney who are less mobile.

I always thought the go for TDK would be to play similarly, basically concede the tap with a minimal effort but push off to recover and become another midfielder in the chain of play. You either assist team-mates or become a road block for opponents, but you must always be one or the other.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Last post by Lods -
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If anyone had any doubts about Pittonets ruck ability after yesterdays efforts then they don't understand football.

Not sure many doubted him or his ruck ability.
You're the one who wanted to leave him out of the side :D  :D

One of the things that's really impressive is his use of handball at the moment.
He's standing in tackles and dishing it off.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Last post by laj -
Quote from: kruddler on
If its one thing Vossy knows its that once you get to finals, everything that comes before means nothing.

The way Leigh Matthews used to get his side cheery ripe for finals and dominate despite never finishing top.
2001 - 2004
2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 2nd - Flag, flag, flag, runners up.

Same with Hardwick and Richmond. They went flag, PF, flag, flag. Only year they finished on top was the year they didn't win.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Last post by LP -
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The way Leigh Matthews used to get his side cheery ripe for finals and dominate despite never finishing top.
2001 - 2004
2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 2nd - Flag, flag, flag, runners up.
Managed two rucks through those seasons to perfection, the media bashed Matthews for bringing Keating in(cold) late in the season, in retrospect it was a master stroke. Recall many in the media thought Keating was cooked and should have retired.

It's basically where Chris Scott learned the Dad's Army system of senior player management.

An aside, ignoring all the other stuff, we should be bitching about Stanley holding, not getting penalised for holding allowed Stanley to reduce the influence of Pitto. A fit Pitto is perfectly suited to the new rules because he's so strong when fit.

Another left field, should we have told TDK to run with Cameron, what do we do if next when we play the Handbaggers, only Rnd 15 not far away, if McGovern is out? The last few seasons Cameron hasn't played as mobile, the ongoing Handbagger weakness in the ruck has forced Cameron up the field reminiscent of his early GWS days. Opponents need to find a way to curtail his influence.

How that umpire penalised Pitto for a hold is bizarre, the umpire was in front of the contest on the side Stanley was holding from, free of obstruction could see Stanley's arm wrapped around Pitto's waist, and pinged Pitto for holding! :o
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Last post by kruddler -
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Hmm, maybe, but in particular I'm not so sure the comments in the heat of the moment aren't genuine.

As for having a "soft spot for Carlton", I'll assert it's his and the AFL's purse that is where a strong Carlton gives them a thrill!

I think you're jumping at shadows again or maybe your tin foil hat is too tight.

I'd love to have Dunstall commentate every game as he favours us more than anyone else.
He even called out Huddo who used 'we' when talking about the Cats....he is a Geelong supporter in case you didn't know.
Kingy was on our side as well.
Moons has an unashamed Cats bias, but still saw we got robbed on a few occasions.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Last post by kruddler -
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Once the second half of the season comes, with players back, heading to a peak I believe we handle anyone. If we want it badly enough this year we can certainly win it. It seems we do.

If its one thing Vossy knows its that once you get to finals, everything that comes before means nothing.

The way Leigh Matthews used to get his side cheery ripe for finals and dominate despite never finishing top.
2001 - 2004
2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 2nd - Flag, flag, flag, runners up.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Last post by LP -
Quote from: kruddler on
....and he has also stated that he has a soft spot for Carlton during the same time frame.
Hmm, maybe, but in particular I'm not so sure the comments in the heat of the moment aren't genuine.

As for having a "soft spot for Carlton", I'll assert it's his and the AFL's purse that has Carlton giving them a thrill, they love the crowds bringing in the dollars!

It's the very same motivation for McGuire, they want us in the race for as long as possible as long as we fall on the last hurdle, Carlton actually winning the race is their nightmare, but maybe not the AFLs!
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Last post by laj -
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We've played 2 of the best teams in the league the last 2 weeks. Played terrible for majority of the last 8 quarters, with half a side not available and come out of it with a 1-1 record and plenty of upside.

We should fear no side.

Once the second half of the season comes, with players back, heading to a peak I believe we handle anyone. If we want it badly enough this year we can certainly win it. It seems we do.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Last post by kruddler -
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The positive is we did near everything wrong, defensively terrible, never really switched on properly, little focus on our basics, half the side out and lost by just 13pts.

The negative is we did near everything wrong, defensively terrible, never really switched on properly, little focus on our basics and if that doesn't improve then getting blokes back won't help as it should. Pressure rating spent much of the day in the 160s, only going over 200 when we were a few goals behind.

Last week was similar until mid-way through the 3rd qtr where every changed once we were 20pts down. Pressure rating went from the 150s straight to 240 and stayed there changing the game. Maybe we thought we could get away with it again and didn't.

I followed the pressure ratings the last 2 weeks and it rose massively once we fell behind. Once we raised it both GWS and Geelong had issues with it. Yesterday, not long enough.

Thinking after that presser from Voss that defensively we will be way better next week. Won't be 118 to 105 again.

We've played 2 of the best teams in the league the last 2 weeks. Played terrible for majority of the last 8 quarters, with half a side not available and come out of it with a 1-1 record and plenty of upside.

We should fear no side.