http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-11-30/no-guarantees-on-murphy-remaining-carlton-captain...
Like a few us BB probably not sold on Murphy as skipper and looking at his options...could be Murphy is the best option but I am happy
we are considering the position....
If it truly is a full reset and a clean slate then players should vote on a new captain. I get the feeling Kerridge could be a candidate unless we go short time like Simpson until Cripps has another year of footy into him.
We really need the U23s to drive the leadership so maybe one of them needs to be named Captain.
Murphy grew into the role as the season went on, but he really struggled with it to start with. After Malthouse left, Murphy came good and provided some decent on field leadership.
In a year or 2 I would like to see Cripps with the captaincy, but it is a little early to burden him with that as well. I am not sure who else is ready for the job.
Murphy grew into the role as the season went on, but he really struggled with it to start with. After Malthouse left, Murphy came good and provided some decent on field leadership.
In a year or 2 I would like to see Cripps with the captaincy, but it is a little early to burden him with that as well. I am not sure who else is ready for the job.
It is early for Cripps but he is now the face of the club and we all know he will get the job sooner than later...do we get a fill in for a year or two or do
we do a Kernahan and give him the job now?
I reckon we just stick with Murphy for another couple of seasons until Cripps matures a little. Aside from Simpson and Jamo who are both nearing the ends of their careers, there aren't any other legitimate candidates.
It is early for Cripps but he is now the face of the club and we all know he will get the job sooner than later...do we get a fill in for a year or two or do
we do a Kernahan and give him the job now?
Melbourne tried that with Trengove and Grimes, dismal failure. The responsibilities of being captain these days are vastly different than they were when Sticks took over. Let the kid continue to develop without over burdening him. A change of Captain isn't going to change our fortunes. Cripps can still be an on field leader without all the rubbing that comes with being Captain.
If it truly is a full reset and a clean slate then players should vote on a new captain. I get the feeling Kerridge could be a candidate unless we go short time like Simpson until Cripps has another year of footy into him.
We really need the U23s to drive the leadership so maybe one of them needs to be named Captain.
Love your work usually Milkit but seriously WTF.
Crazy to take it from Murphy now and put the pressure on Cripps and there is literally no one else, maybe just Docherty. Let Murph have it for at last another year.
Simon White
I know its a conspiracy theory but not part of a plan to trade Murphy next season for more picks....taking the captains role away wont make him feel wanted and he might want out and field some offers..
Kruezer would be another candidate and might mean Cripps if VC gets to captain the team by default if MK's injury record continues....
Where would that leave Murphy? The captaincy was basically the carrot we used to keep him.
Simon White
Not out of the question given Nick Maxwell and Tom Harley were appointed more for political/factional reasons than being outstanding footballers.....
I reckon Simmo deserves a shot, although I doubt he'll get it.
Giving it to Gibbs might see him step up in responsibility and performance, it might shut up talk about him being traded too!
It's too early to give it to Cripps.
Docherty is the other serious option I would consider.
Other wise it probably stays with Murph.
Where would that leave Murphy? The captaincy was basically the carrot we used to keep him.
Maybe at another club in exchange for a couple of first round picks in a strong draft for mids...
I personally have no issue with Cripps taking it over. Already the best player on the list and seems level headed enough to lead and develop. Could have it for 10 years no problem.
There is nothing wrong with a complete review of operations, it keeps everyone honest. Even if they don't end up getting a slot, it still tells the players they are valued and recognised as being a leader within the club.
They'll look at it as Bolton said, but I reckon Murphy will be the skipper again.
What jumped out at me was:
"We're a club in a hurry. The club finished on the bottom of the ladder, we needed to make some bold decisions and we have, and that's exciting."
No hanging around at the bottom of the ladder for us!
Not out of the question given Nick Maxwell and Tom Harley were appointed more for political/factional reasons than being outstanding footballers.....
Cmon EB1. We are talking about two AA Premiership Captains......and then Simon White. 50 games in 8 or so years and got most of his games in a very poor side.
Double post :-[
I think our club has selected captains on marketability .
I couldn't care if it's Tutt or Jones, as long as it's for the right reasons.
I personally have no issue with Cripps taking it over. Already the best player on the list and seems level headed enough to lead and develop. Could have it for 10 years no problem.
Way too early to appoint Cripps as captain role, he could be made DVC as part of his overall development but anything more than that would be incredibly silly. He's got enough to worry about just as a player, he doesn't need the additional burden right now.
If there is to be a change, it will look something like :
(c) Simpson or Kreuzer
(vc) White
(dvc) Cripps
If we are going to change the skipper I don't think it would be for another of the "old guard". It would more likely be as part of the culture change that we are currently seeing and I think SOS is out the move on as many of the old boys as he can reasonably do over the next couple of years.
If there is to be a change, it will look something like :
(c) Simpson or Kreuzer
(vc) White
(dvc) Cripps
Captaincy is 50% media. Kreuz doesn't do media, Simpson doesn't seem to like it, Cripps has a stutter and is a kid.
I think Murphy and Gibbs will have the acid put on them to earn leadership roles.
Cmon EB1. We are talking about two AA Premiership Captains......and then Simon White. 50 games in 8 or so years and got most of his games in a very poor side.
Harley was a bit player from Port until made captain and that was because Geelong had a couple factions who each wanted one of their own and Harley was seen as a neutral
who both groups would agree to..
Its probably not going to happen anyway with White as you suggest as we tend to go with Blue Chip players as a skipper, all I am saying is that White could be in the frame if
we have some factional issues or the players are not happy with Murphy, Cripps etc...White appears a popular player within the group and while no star is one of our senior players..
It's so refreshing listening to someone like BB after the crap we had to put up from MM during interviews. I think we will review it and Murphy will prove to be the best candidate.
In among the wreckage of last year was one bright spot for me - post-Judd, I think Murphy did a great job as captain. Led from the front despite the depleted playing list.
With no other obvious replacement, I think it would be a big mistake to change right now.
I think the story in the papers is more about BB saying "anything from the past is changeable" as opposed to "we need a new captain".
If you can look at the games after Malthouse was sacked and tell me that Murphy wasn't leading, then I'd suggest you're an idiot. ???
Murphy is the obvious choice to hold the captaincy until, Cripps or Weitering is ready. The work captains have to do with meetings alone would double the captain work load overnight. Give him a seat at the leadership table, get used to making decisions at a club level, but let them develop their games before loading up with the responsibility of captaincy. Both Cripps and Weitering have the weight of Carlton supporters already on their shoulders, leave it at that.
Murphy - Captain.
Simspon Kruezer - VC
Gibbs, White, Cripps - Leadership
Hopefully the next Skipper, if it isn't Murph, will pick himself by his leadership and deeds over the next 8 or so weeks. Cripps might demand it; Kerridge might demand it, someone we're not focussed on might demand it. It's almost a new club so changing Skipper is not the issue it might normally be. There might be a natural Skipper in this group eager to show his wares.
At this stage you'd have to believe Murph is leading any group of possible Skippers. A lot can change in the next coupla months though. In some respects it would be nice to see Murph unencumbered by the captaincy as he's a brilliant small mid/forward and if that was all he had to focus on he just might produce a season or 3 to remember, though you'd really still want him in the leadership group.
Stick with Murph for the next 2 seasons, then Cripps will be ready.
Murph will relish playing his last few seasons without the responsibility.
I should add that I think that there is nothing wrong with reviewing all leadership positions at the end of each season and making changes where appropriate.
We should really have three or four blokes who are more than capable of taking on the captaincy and there's no reason why it can't be assigned to different leaders each season.
Murphy for the next couple of years
Then.....
Cripps (capt)
Weitering (Vice Captain)
Through our ten year golden age ;D
If you can look at the games after Malthouse was sacked and tell me that Murphy wasn't leading, then I'd suggest you're an idiot. ???
Murphy is the obvious choice to hold the captaincy until, Cripps or Weitering is ready. The work captains have to do with meetings alone would double the captain work load overnight. Give him a seat at the leadership table, get used to making decisions at a club level, but let them develop their games before loading up with the responsibility of captaincy. Both Cripps and Weitering have the weight of Carlton supporters already on their shoulders, leave it at that.
Murphy - Captain.
Simspon Kruezer - VC
Gibbs, White, Cripps - Leadership
Pretty much agree. As an alternative, maybe Murph/Simmo or Murph/Krooz as co captains ?
If you can look at the games after Malthouse was sacked and tell me that Murphy wasn't leading, then I'd suggest you're an idiot. ???
Murphy is the obvious choice to hold the captaincy until, Cripps or Weitering is ready. The work captains have to do with meetings alone would double the captain work load overnight. Give him a seat at the leadership table, get used to making decisions at a club level, but let them develop their games before loading up with the responsibility of captaincy. Both Cripps and Weitering have the weight of Carlton supporters already on their shoulders, leave it at that.
Murphy - Captain.
Simspon Kruezer - VC
Gibbs, White, Cripps - Leadership
Are you comfortable with his efforts while Malthouse was there?
If yes I'd suggest you are an idiot?
If not, so you want a captain picking and choosing when he gives his all?
Simon White
+1
Not sure Bolton has the power to be that bold yet.
Malthouse was pigeon holed into Murphy. Suspect the same will occur.
Poor Murph, we wanted him to pick us he did and we got him - he gives it his all and gets whacked every game behind okay continuously and some think he should be replaced? What a kick in the teeth for him if that happened, he's also not been looking for 'better offers', he's stayed loyal to the club thru the debacle that was MM.
Leave him with it and let the young boys properly challenge for it - remember Murphs best season playing was when he had Judd copping all the hits - I suspect Cripps will walk into similar next year so let's see how that goes before installing him as captain!
Conspiracy theory ........
When Bolton & Murphy met and chatted about the future, Murphy confided that he wasn't totally comfortable with the captaincy role, Bolton said he will review it all.
Comes out in the media and says there may be a change .....
+1
Not sure Bolton has the power to be that bold yet.
Malthouse was pigeon holed into Murphy. Suspect the same will occur.
re White...Apparently injured at training (knee)...not sure how serious
I reckon I'm going get laughed for this, but my vote goes to Tuohey as a stand in before Cripps or one of the other new young guys is ready. Plays like his life depends on in and backs himself. Also, some blokes who know something about football voted him the best small defender in the competition. Only thing I don't is what respect he commands among the team but that may have improved.
I reckon I'm going get laughed for this, but my vote goes to Tuohey as a stand in before Cripps or one of the other new young guys is ready. Plays like his life depends on in and backs himself. Also, some blokes who know something about football voted him the best small defender in the competition. Only thing I don't is what respect he commands among the team but that may have improved.
That would certainly be a left field choice.
From what I've seen of him, I don't think he is captain material.
Give it to Dylan with Silvagni as Vice...
Give it to Dylan with Silvagni as Vice...
I realize you're probably having a lend, but no. Those appointments would be populist and not much more.
My 2 cents, I'd give it to Kreuzer.
It was reported during the season how much the players love having him out there, and he and Cripps have already developed a great rapport in the middle. He bleeds Blue and would be a great mentor for the emergence of Cripps as our future skipper.
Captain - Kreuzer
VC - Simmo, Cripps
Leadership - Gibbs, Murphy, Jamo, Docherty
My 2 cents, I'd give it to Kreuzer.
It was reported during the season how much the players love having him out there, and he and Cripps have already developed a great rapport in the middle. He bleeds Blue and would be a great mentor for the emergence of Cripps as our future skipper.
Captain - Kreuzer
VC - Simmo, Cripps
Leadership - Gibbs, Murphy, Jamo, Docherty
Ticks a number of boxes, but his injury history makes him a risky choice.
My 2 cents, I'd give it to Kreuzer.
It was reported during the season how much the players love having him out there, and he and Cripps have already developed a great rapport in the middle. He bleeds Blue and would be a great mentor for the emergence of Cripps as our future skipper.
Captain - Kreuzer
VC - Simmo, Cripps
Leadership - Gibbs, Murphy, Jamo, Docherty
I like this thinking and will keep him with the club for good.
Conspiracy theory ........
When Bolton & Murphy met and chatted about the future, Murphy confided that he wasn't totally comfortable with the captaincy role, Bolton said he will review it all.
Comes out in the media and says there may be a change .....
Sounds pretty plausible.
Ticks a number of boxes, but his injury history makes him a risky choice.
I appreciate that and that's why having Simmo as a VC is quality insurance. It's a risk I'd take. ;)
I appreciate that and that's why having Simmo as a VC is quality insurance. It's a risk I'd take. ;)
Simmo should've been given the captaincy when Judd gave it up.
Is it too late for him now ?
Simmo should've been given the captaincy when Judd gave it up.
Is it too late for him now ?
I think you either stick with Murphy or go with one of the younger generation.
I think you either stick with Murphy or go with one of the younger generation.
There's some logic in that.
Simmo can be the cliched "spiritual leader".
Out of left field.
Sam Docherty
Cant see the point in changing now.
Murph wasnt my 1st choice when 1st elected but he busted his pooper vave last year when few else did.
I cant see where the gain is with such a young list. Weve changed so many players over and are so young that just a littlle bit of stability might be warranted here.
No way is Kreuzer captaincy material. Not in a very public AFL environment any way.
I see many only talking about on field leadership, when it comes to choosing a captain. They are only on the field for 2.5 hours a week. Does it matter what a captain is like and does for the other 30+ hours per week that he is working for the club? Including media work?
Kreuzer may be a great on field leader, a great trainer and role model, I would happily have him in the leadership group. But as captain of the club where being a public face and spokesperson is as much a part of the job as anything else, I don't think Kreuzer would even put his hand up for it.
Love your work usually Milkit but seriously WTF.
Crazy to take it from Murphy now and put the pressure on Cripps and there is literally no one else, maybe just Docherty. Let Murph have it for at last another year.
I think Kerridge will be in the leadership group at the very least. He seems to have garnered respect already from the playing group.
I think Murphy will still be Captain but there are other players, including some of the new recruits, that could do the job just as well. They just don't have the luxury of being a long term servant of the club. The other thing is Murphy's leadership may improve dramatically with the new vibe around the club and others willing to share the load on field. I can live with him being a media cardboard cutout.
I think that the club has to demonstrate that there are no sacred cows standing in the way of what we have to do to be successful. This captain talk is a part of that and will reinforce the idea that the club has in place the best possible option as captain. I lean toward Murph keeping the job for 2016.
I'd be very disappointed if we crucify a kid by making him captain too early.
I can only assess on field performances of potential candidates, and Murphy, Simpson or Docherty are the only ones who come close to being suitable choices. There may be others but getting on the park is a big part of being captain and quite a few fall at that hurdle.
If I had to make a guess, given BBs "Get Comfortable being Uncomfortable" line, I expect him to look at someone like SpecialK. But I'd be concerned about having a bloke captain who on average only plays about 1/2 the available games.
Perhaps it's time to kibosh the captaincy convention and appoint some team leaders, defense, midfield, forward, media, tactical and training?
Yep
I'm more interested in Cripps ''backing up" his form from last year.
I'm pretty confident he will and in fact improve on it....but we need to let him concentrate on that for a year or two.
Out of left field.
Sam Docherty
That's not left field at all....that's an excellent suggestion
I think everyone is on notice at the club, and Bolton doesn't owe anything to anyone.
But assuming he wants to do it, i'd be surprised if Murphy isn't captain, and i don't see what we gain from removing him. It is too soon for Cripps, i think we all see him as a future captain but give him some time.
Captain Docherty would be a smart move. Choosing a 'low-profile' player to ride the bumps over the next few years until Cripps is media-savvy for the spotlight in 2018. Docherty has just the sort of low profile 'workman-like' attitude that Bolton will be imparting on the group.
You'd have the captain marshalling and encouraging young Weitering, Glass-McCasker & SOS Jr., helping them 'walk taller' & generally reinforcing our new look backline. Docherty will be there in 5 years time which is better than a stop-gap option like Walker or Simmo.
A couple of megaminds discuss the captaincy. ::)
http://www.sen.com.au/news/12-15/kbs-take-replacing-murphy-as-blues-skipper-would-be-a-disgrace#0MxGXfbzpkUkREi8.97
Audio Link is at the bottom of the article
This is just my own personal view but I reckon a "Judd" type leader is exactly what we need with this new group. Firstly, by Judd like, I mean one who lets his footy do the talking. He brought players with him through his behavior and actions during the week and on game day. I think the new crop that has been brought in seem to be self motivated and professional enough that they dont need the Johnathan Brown type of booming voice constantly in their ears. They all seem talented and driven enough to warrant and respond best to the Judd style of leadership. This is why I reckon if Murphy just focuses on footy again and can get back to the way we all know he can play, he will bring these guys with him ala Judd. Hope this makes sense.
Murphy has hardly delivered on the field since he was captain.
I would make Gibbs, Murphy and Kreuzer co captains until Weitering is ready.
Murphy has hardly delivered on the field since he was captain.
I would make Gibbs, Murphy and Kreuzer co captains until Weitering is ready.
I'm hoping that under the new coach we won't see the captain or other stars abandoned and sacrificed like we did in the past. I hope the team sticks fat and defends each other with a one-in all-in attitude!
If Murphy gets half the protection that someone like Mitchell or Hodge gets we see him starring week in and week out! ;)
Perhaps Gorringe or even a fit Wood working in tandem with Kreuzer can change the attitudes.
Plowman also looks to have a bit of aggro about him, Kerridge hopefully the same.
A couple of megaminds discuss the captaincy. ::)
http://www.sen.com.au/news/12-15/kbs-take-replacing-murphy-as-blues-skipper-would-be-a-disgrace#0MxGXfbzpkUkREi8.97
Audio Link is at the bottom of the article
:))
A banality tour de force!.
If Murphy gets half the protection that someone like Mitchell or Hodge gets we see him starring week in and week out! ;)
Those guys stand up for themselves. You don't see them fall over and get up real slow when they get pushed around.
Those guys stand up for themselves. You don't see them fall over and get up real slow when they get pushed around.
If Hodge gets hit the offender is surrounded by Hodge's team-mates in seconds. If either Mitchell or Hodge get put down one of their team-mates will pick them up just as quickly.
Our blokes run on by Murphy, but not just Murphy, Judd, Carrazzo, etc., etc..
They run on by anyone who is put down, so much so the TAC should consider using a clip of Carlton playing as a message to embarrass the gutless people who flee the scene of an accident!
If Hodge gets hit the offender is surrounded by Hodge's team-mates in seconds. If either Mitchell or Hodge get put down one of their team-mates will pick them up just as quickly.
Our blokes run on by Murphy, but not just Murphy, Judd, Carrazzo, etc., etc..
They run on by anyone who is put down, so much so the TAC should consider using a clip of Carlton playing as a message to embarrass the gutless people who flee the scene of an accident!
I expect that may be one of the deficiencies Bolton addresses first up.
I expect that may be one of the deficiencies Bolton addresses first up.
....amen.
I expect that may be one of the deficiencies Bolton addresses first up.
Yes - I hope the whole "get around him" mentality isn't just for those that score goals.
EDIT : in fact, if Bolton is as good a teacher as they say, I hope he can teach Simon White a thing or two about protecting teammates without attracting unfavorable attention. He could be very handy keeping Murph and Cripps company around the packs.
I expect that may be one of the deficiencies Bolton addresses first up.
You can see it's the first thing he is addressing. "united" is his Catch cry and I suspect he means that to the board as well. He and SOS are leading from the front working together and the first 3 weeks have been dedicated to this.
I mean we have seen it as supporters for nearly 7 years, doesn't take a genius to realise we have failed to address it on the field.
Some of those players that were shipped out of the club were all "me first" Players when you think about it.
No to co-captains can't stand that stuff personally.
Give it to Simpson, already the real leader out there and deserves it also. Has it for a year or two and then off to Cripps or Weitering whoever is right at the time.
At least have a vote again, if Murphy is made captain again by a player vote I would seriously be gob smacked but fair enough.
Murphy is a good player and all that but isn't a very good captain in my view.
He get's beaten up physically on the field. Now seems like a pretty good time to sort this out.
Kreuzer is the man... straight-lines the ball, always gives 100%. Never gives up.
Hand over to Cripps in a few years.
This is just my own personal view but I reckon a "Judd" type leader is exactly what we need with this new group. Firstly, by Judd like, I mean one who lets his footy do the talking. He brought players with him through his behavior and actions during the week and on game day. I think the new crop that has been brought in seem to be self motivated and professional enough that they dont need the Johnathan Brown type of booming voice constantly in their ears. They all seem talented and driven enough to warrant and respond best to the Judd style of leadership. This is why I reckon if Murphy just focuses on footy again and can get back to the way we all know he can play, he will bring these guys with him ala Judd. Hope this makes sense.
It makes sense. Your basically saying actions speak louder than words and if Murphy can lead by example with his actions, he doesn't need to say much to inspire players to perform. I hope we have a skipper picked over the next few seasons that will help us get some score on the board with victories. Kreuzer doesn't sound like a bad option if he can stay on the park with maybe Simpson as VC. If Murphy doesn't get the gig.
It makes sense. Your basically saying actions speak louder than words and if Murphy can lead by example with his actions, he doesn't need to say much to inspire players to perform. I hope we have a skipper picked over the next few seasons that will help us get some score on the board with victories. Kreuzer doesn't sound like a bad option if he can stay on the park with maybe Simpson as VC. If Murphy doesn't get the gig.
In fact, Murphy is a quite vocal leader on and off the field, but in a very measured way. The players seem to respond well to him if the game he was miked up in is any guide. I don't think Kreuzer would have the same ability to communicate with team mates, but you never know.
Stick with Murph, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone like 2E got the gig.
In fact, Murphy is a quite vocal leader on and off the field, but in a very measured way. The players seem to respond well to him if the game he was miked up in is any guide. I don't think Kreuzer would have the same ability to communicate with team mates, but you never know.
I am not an expert either way DJC. I just throw it out there based on what I have heard or seen. Humphrey Bear says very little but shows heaps in terms of intensity. That is the only reason why I voted how I did in this circumstance. Less said and more action. I am not correct very often though.
No to co-captains can't stand that stuff personally.
I'm not a fan either but we don't have many options.
Stick with Murphy who struggled, throw Cripps to the wolves or spread the load for the time being.
I am not an expert either way DJC. I just throw it out there based on what I have heard or seen. Humphrey Bear says very little but shows heaps in terms of intensity. That is the only reason why I voted how I did in this circumstance. Less said and more action. I am not correct very often though.
I'm sure that the players and coaches now a lot more about who the best leaders are than we do Mantis. For all we know, Murphy may have confided in Bolton that he's not happy in the role and Kreuzer could well be the players' choice.
From what BB has been saying recently he is very actively evaluating what leadership qualities are present at the club. He no doubt knows exactly what he's looking for and what he needs to instill. I'm pretty confident we'll have a decent option in place for next year. As I've previously posted, I think it will be Murph (if he wants it) but I don't pretend to know all of the factors at play.
From what BB has been saying recently he is very actively evaluating what leadership qualities are present at the club. He no doubt knows exactly what he's looking for and what he needs to instill. I'm pretty confident we'll have a decent option in place for next year. As I've previously posted, I think it will be Murph (if he wants it) but I don't pretend to know all of the factors at play.
Captains need to be in automatic mode on the training track, not still on the learning curve. There is no room to be a beginner on all fronts!
Give it to Dylan with Silvagni as Vice...
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Nick Maxwell in the Herald Sun has said No to Cripps being captain, reckons the off field stuff will wear him down too much at such a young age....probably advice worth taking.....although Cripps is now the face of the club and the media will chase him regardless of being captain or not..
Nick Maxwell in the Herald Sun has said No to Cripps being captain, reckons the off field stuff will wear him down too much at such a young age....probably advice worth taking.....although Cripps is now the face of the club and the media will chase him regardless of being captain or not..
The off field stuff isn't just media. It's attending management meetings, strategizing with the coach. All sorts of crap. I reckon the media stuff is actually fairly light on.
Stick with Murph, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone like 2E got the gig.
They would have drafted a translator in the PSD if Tuohy was going to get the gig! :D
Give it to Dylan with Silvagni as Vice...
That would be like enlisting an eggshell to protect a cannonball!
I think the only realistic alternative to Murphy is Simpson or Gibbs, and both of them have significant downsides.
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The Answer is Blowing in the Wind.
I'll be shocked if Murphy is not captain in 2016, just can't see a viable alternative, and I thought he was good in the second half of 2015
Real shame as the Club screwed it up by not giving it Carrazzo. People actually listened to him. Murphy was a terrible choice, though I wonder if he would have walked if we had not given him the captaincy? I don't buy it personally - comes across as a straight shooting, one club guy. He is not and will never be a really great captain...at least not in the role that he plays on field. If they could release him from the inside so he can contribute more without getting smashed by bigger players every week? Maybe then. I actually really like it when he drifts forward...you know he is killing it when he get into the F50..he has some amazing vision and disposal when he gets up there.
Docherty and Cripps are good choices - for 2017. Buckley is not imposing enough to be captain...I can't remember from the top of my head who it was that rag dolled him a year or two ago..it was embarrassing..was it Jamo or Walker, who just stood there and let it happen in front of them as well. He's got pluck the young lad, but I'd rather Cripps or Doherty come charging in to help if I was in trouble adn laying down the law. Doherty less so, but he is terribly well spoken. Impressive young man.
I'd love to do a Willy John McBride Call 99 the next time someone tries to pick a fight with one of our own..that would be Godly. For those who don't know, it was a defining moment in a famous British and Irish Lions Tour in S Africa in the 70s. The Saffers were a rough, brutal lot and it was agreed that the Captain - Willy John McBride, an imposing Northern Irishman, that whenever "Call 99" was issued on field..that the entire team would be expected to come charging in and get stuck. It was the only time they needed to make that call. No one messed with them again for the whole tour. Watch a clip when he recalls how it came about...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU-c4YyEVMY
That's what I want our boys to be like..I always did. Build from the back, make our back 6 so good that they get called "the wall" and expect to be in pain trying to get through. Utterly bloody ruthless.
One can Dream ;D
Let's lock in Murphy for the year and Bolton and the Coaches will have a better idea by mid next year I'd say of who is a possible lock.
Rohan Connolly has a look at three clubs who may change captains; Fremantle, Essendon and us:
[For Fremantle] There's probably no more appropriate time for a change of captaincy.
That, however, can't be said of the situations at Carlton or Essendon.
Bolton last Monday was, rightly, enthusiastically endorsing the concept of full-scale change across the club at Ikon Park, the theme, loosely, that with a virtually new club, anything was possible.
That "everything up for grabs" message was far more the idea than any preparation for Murphy to hand over the captaincy reins. But the Blues need to be careful how they go about the psychology of the delivery.
There's an obvious paucity of replacements for Murphy, for starters, Kade Simpson turning 32 next season, Michael Jamison having to concentrate on his own fitness and form, while to saddle Patrick Cripps with the role after just two seasons and 23 games of senior football would be an enormous and potentially costly gamble.
Murphy's quietish nature isn't everyone's captaincy cup of tea, but then the vast majority of those making that judgment aren't privy to the role he exercises around the club beyond match days.
And even on that score, what more could he have done in Carlton's disastrous 2015, finishing runner-up by just one vote to Cripps in the best and fairest?
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/calling-time-on-afl-captains-not-always-clever-20151204-glftq1.html#ixzz3tPs0Z3iF
The comment about Murphy's nature and outsiders not being privy to his role around the club is most apt.
Connolly's closing comment is on the money too:
Change can be very healthy. Yet change simply for change's sake can indicate a shallowness of thought and lack of genuine vision. I reckon Worsfold and Bolton are better than that. And I'd be pretty surprised if either ended up altering the captaincy status quo.
Connolly's closing comment is on the money too:
Yes, that seems to be the considered approach, but I'm not sure BB will get enough rope to be allowed to make the right decision. I think our clubs is littered with sticky fingers!
Yes, that seems to be the considered approach, but I'm not sure BB will get enough rope to be allowed to make the right decision. I think our clubs is littered with sticky fingers!
Your comment is certainly appropo of the "old" Carlton. Hopefully we have moved on somewhat, but the decision is not one to be made lightly for sure.
Hawthorn changed Mitchell for Hodge and you dont have to be too bright to figure out it was the right move.....Mitchell is a great player but a less aggressive, quieter individual
who lets his football do the talking. He doesnt have the presence of Hodge or the ability to get players to follow him into battle..
Like Mitchell its no slight on Murphy if he has the captains role taken away from him and given Bolton wants the position reviewed I would take the hint if I was MM and resign the position, reckon Murphy will excel without the weight of being captain...its been an effort IMO and full credit to him as he has tried his best to be the leader with everything but it just doesnt come natural to him IMO and Bolton knows he has to get a more natural leader in the role...
Hawthorn changed Mitchell for Hodge and you dont have to be too bright to figure out it was the right move.....Mitchell is a great player but a less aggressive, quieter individual
who lets his football do the talking. He doesnt have the presence of Hodge or the ability to get players to follow him into battle..
Like Mitchell its no slight on Murphy if he has the captains role taken away from him and given Bolton wants the position reviewed I would take the hint if I was MM and resign the position, reckon Murphy will excel without the weight of being captain...its been an effort IMO and full credit to him as he has tried his best to be the leader with everything but it just doesnt come natural to him IMO and Bolton knows he has to get a more natural leader in the role...
His problem is who can that be. As Connolly rightfully says, there is a dearth of suitable candidates atm, Cripps is the obvious heir but maybe he's too young just yet. It will be interesting.
Hawthorn changed Mitchell for Hodge and you dont have to be too bright to figure out it was the right move.....Mitchell is a great player but a less aggressive, quieter individual
who lets his football do the talking. He doesnt have the presence of Hodge or the ability to get players to follow him into battle..
Like Mitchell its no slight on Murphy if he has the captains role taken away from him and given Bolton wants the position reviewed I would take the hint if I was MM and resign the position, reckon Murphy will excel without the weight of being captain...its been an effort IMO and full credit to him as he has tried his best to be the leader with everything but it just doesnt come natural to him IMO and Bolton knows he has to get a more natural leader in the role...
Bolton will sort it out one way or another. We have a few leaders that could do the role of Captain. We have nothing to gain throwing Cripps into the deep end too early. Cripps or Weitering could step into the position in a few years time when they are ready.
Carlton is in reset mode where every aspect of the club is being reviewed and improved where possible.
As a result murphy's captaincy is being looked at, I'm sure this is just a bit of a ploy and he will continue in that capacity and we will read "after careful consideration it has been determined that mark murphy is indeed the best man to lead the cfc during this exciting time in its history, mark enjoys the full support of all sections of the club!"
2E says Murph is da man!
From The Hun
AFL 2015: Zach Tuohy says Marc Murphy is right man to lead Carlton in 2016
December 8, 2015 12:23pm
ZACH Tuohy says things are starting from scratch at Carlton.
With a host of new faces at the club, everything seems to be changing.
Everything, Tuohy says, except the captaincy — although Brendon Bolton has done little to quell that discussion.
“I’ve got no doubt in my mind that Marc Murphy has been the best captain at the club,” Tuohy told SEN on Monday evening.
“And the way he’s come on in the last couple of years — even the past two or three years — I’d be very surprised if he wasn’t leading the club forward.
“But I guess what Bolts is trying to say is that we’re looking for leaders at the club to step up to different roles, but I’m certainly happy with where skip is.”
Touhy, an Irish import who was rookie listed by Carlton in 2010, said Bolton’s philosophy on leadership was a microcosm of his overall vision to redesign the club, from the bottom up.
And while Tuohy has already experienced one dethroning — when Mick Malthouse replaced Brett Ratten as the Blues coach at the end of the 2012 season — he says that this change-of-hands feels different.
“When Mick came along, I remember people were saying he was trying to reinvent the wheel, but we’ve really taken it back and started from scratch this time,” Tuohy said.
“It’s been a significant change around the club.
“It’s the biggest change I’ve experienced for six or seven years, it’s a restart if you like.
“It is refreshing, it’s different and exciting again.”
And one thing that Carlton fans should indeed find refreshing is Tuohy’s forecast on Daisy Thomas.
“He’s one of a number of players that just seem to be reinvigorated,” Tuohy said.
“He’s on top of his body, he’s in really good condition.”
“It’s the biggest change I’ve experienced for six or seven years, it’s a restart if you like."
Ctl Alt Del have been pushed.................skipper not included though. probably. ;)
“It’s the biggest change I’ve experienced for six or seven years, it’s a restart if you like."
Ctl Alt Del have been pushed................ ;)
As long as there's no restore from previous backup
:D
cheers
Yep don't want all those viruses left by the previous regime! :P
Unless we can find an old archived backup from the Win 95 era !
(mind you, even that would have some latent malware !)
Unless we can find an old archived backup from the Win 95 era !
(mind you, even that would have some latent malware !)
Ahh touche touche. ;D
Unless we can find an old archived backup from the Win 95 era !
(mind you, even that would have some latent malware !)
:))
And if we have now gone to W10 let's hope our processor can cope with it.
Club needs to settle this fairly soon though. If it's Murphy, then don't leave the loose thread hanging there.
Murphy seems fairly comfortable with the process and handled media questions deftly and confidently. However, I got the impression that he would be p1ssed off if he lost the job.
Like the others interviewed, he seems to be relishing Bolton's approach, the new assistants and all of the new blokes.
Yep if the whole club is resetting itself maybe you give Murphy another crack under a decent regime as well. Give him 2 years and we pray by then that Cripps is ready to take over.
Yep if the whole club is resetting itself maybe you give Murphy another crack under a decent regime as well. Give him 2 years and we pray by then that Cripps is ready to take over.
If Cripps doesn't step up, there will be someone else, particularly with the in house leadership program Bolton has introduced.
It is so good to have a competent, forward thinking coach at the helm :)
It is so good to have a competent, forward thinking coach at the helm :)
Very refreshing indeed. :D
When there's a toxic team environment people go into self preservation mode.
Bolts is developing a culture that breeds inclusiveness and promotes selflessness and leadership.
Guys who would not have wanted the job once upon a time, or not been considered will now become leaders. Not all will be skipper, but they won't have to be.
When there's a toxic team environment people go into self preservation mode.
Bolts is developing a culture that breeds inclusiveness and promotes selflessness and leadership.
Guys who would not have wanted the job once upon a time, or not been considered will now become leaders. Not all will be skipper, but they won't have to be.
Thats the ideal scenario really.
Lets hope that all the removals of those with questionable morals results in us getting the right mix to improve now.
When there's a toxic team environment people go into self preservation mode.
Bolts is developing a culture that breeds inclusiveness and promotes selflessness and leadership.
Guys who would not have wanted the job once upon a time, or not been considered will now become leaders. Not all will be skipper, but they won't have to be.
Credit to Bolton for identifying the problem rather than trying to cover it up.....you want your leaders driving culture and selflessness...not the coach having to wield
the big stick every time like a high school principal....Hawthorn empowered players as leaders to drive a team first attitude and it cant all be done by the captain.
We'll know we're on the right track when we don't have to make a decision between Murphy and a kid with no other practical options.
We'll know we're on the right track when we don't have to make a decision between Murphy and a kid with no other practical options.
Or we can't choose who out of 4 or 5 options
Mooney says Simmo.
Murphy has work to do with young Blues
Carlton captain Marc Murphy will need to significantly improve within his leadership role to help develop such a large group of inexperienced players.
“I wouldn’t have thought Murph has been fantastic and that’s probably by his own admission as well, as far as playing with the captaincy above his head,” said Mooney.
“Kade Simpson for me over the last couple of years has shown he is absolute leadership material – when the chips are down he throws his body in.
“With the young group going forward I hope they go with him so he can prove he can be a great captain.”
I've liked the idea of Simmo as captain for a while now. I wonder if we've left it too late, in light if Simmo's age ?
I've liked the idea of Simmo as captain for a while now. I wonder if we've left it too late, in light if Simmo's age ?
Too late.
Our next captain needs to be someone who'll lead us for many years.
If Cripps has a season similar to last year then he's the logical choice.
Simmo till he retires then Docherty.
Mooney is borderline retarded.
Too late for Simmo I agree, would've been great if he was 3 years younger.
Simmo till he retires then Docherty.
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Is this a tick for Murphy?
Carlton will likely delay a decision on its 2016 captain until "a few months" after Christmas, but new coach Brendon Bolton has been pleased by the "really good leadership" qualities of incumbent skipper Marc Murphy.
Speculation has raged that Murphy could be replaced as Carlton captain next year after Bolton indicated late last month that he was "really open" about who captained the Blues next season, the new coach opting to review the leadership at the club before making a call.
Speaking from Carlton's Gold Coast pre-season camp on Tuesday, Bolton stressed that although a captaincy decision remained some way off, Murphy had impressed him in their short time working together.
"Marc Murphy at the moment is our captain. He's shown really good leadership, as have others to date, which is pleasing," Bolton said.
"We are looking at our leadership in terms of leadership development for all.
I reckon it's a positive that Murphy and others have put their hands up as leaders.
Is this a tick for Murphy?
I reckon it's a positive that Murphy and others have put their hands up as leaders.
I wouldnt be happy if I was Marc Murphy....
I wouldnt be happy if I was Marc Murphy....
Why, because he's going to be skipper again? ;)
I reckon
"Marc Murphy at the moment is our captain. He's shown really good leadership, as have others to date, which is pleasing," Bolton said, is code for Murphy's got the job but I have to go through the motions of the review I announced before I'd really thought it through.
Why, because he's going to be skipper again? ;)
I reckon "Marc Murphy at the moment is our captain. He's shown really good leadership, as have others to date, which is pleasing," Bolton said, is code for Murphy's got the job but I have to go through the motions of the review I announced before I'd really thought it through.
DJ..You are at work, been promoted to head of dept for a couple of years during tough times and the new Boss comes in and says look mate we will look at a few other people for the position but if
we cant find what we are looking for then you can have the job again....not many people I know would take that very well or be looking long term at that employer...
In fact a few I know including myself might be inclined to tell the new Boss what I thought and move on...
Elwood. Lets look at the Mitchell / Hodge situation at Hawthorn. Two different players with different character types. Each is a champion and a leader in terms of leading by example. Sometimes you need a player as captain that demands respect and is vocal enough to let you know it. Murphy won't leave if he isn't captain. If a better captain is in our current squad he would accept a role as VC. IMO.
It all comes down to whether or not Marc is the right man to be leading us going forward or whether there is a better clear option that stands out to replace him next year. Personally I don't think there is one ready atm. I think therefore we will keep him in the job but there will be huge expectations placed on other senior players to step up in the leadership stakes to better support him. This will be non-negotiable IMO, and I think it can be made to work for us.
It will all have to be handled very carefully but I've got confidence that BB will do it well.
Elwood. Lets look at the Mitchell / Hodge situation at Hawthorn. Two different players with different character types. Each is a champion and a leader in terms of leading by example. Sometimes you need a player as captain that demands respect and is vocal enough to let you know it. Murphy won't leave if he isn't captain. If a better captain is in our current squad he would accept a role as VC. IMO.
Mants...two very exceptional players and Mitchell took it very well and proved what a champ he is and put the club first...not many would do that so it would/will be a test
for Murphy's character to have his role questioned...if I was selling it to Murphy it would be on the basis he will perform better as a player without the burden of being skipper.
I think he will retain the position short term and be on trial but will he always have it in the back of his mind that the coach isnt fully sold on him in the captains role and he needs to prove himself...just my opinion...
Bolts made a throw away line a couple of weeks into his coaching career that the media have sunk their collective teeth into. Now he knows Murph he will endorse him as skipper. End of saga.
Mants...two very exceptional players and Mitchell took it very well and proved what a champ he is and put the club first...not many would do that so it would/will be a test
for Murphy's character to have his role questioned...if I was selling it to Murphy it would be on the basis he will perform better as a player without the burden of being skipper.
I think he will retain the position short term and be on trial but will he always have it in the back of his mind that the coach isnt fully sold on him in the captains role and he needs to prove himself...just my opinion...
For me Elwood you sold the exact feeling I had. Murph will put the club first if there is a better captain at the moment. He is a far better player than a leader. Judd as an example. He was a captain and preferred to be seen as an elite player. Murphy is not a Judd, Mitchell or a Hodge. He is a really fine player though. One I hope we keep at the club for another few more seasons. We haven't seen the best out of him just yet. ;)
Why, because he's going to be skipper again? ;)
I reckon "Marc Murphy at the moment is our captain. He's shown really good leadership, as have others to date, which is pleasing," Bolton said, is code for Murphy's got the job but I have to go through the motions of the review I announced before I'd really thought it through.
Agree. Instead of "Ready...Fire...Aim", we have "Review...Analyse...Consult...Make Damn Sure....Execute". I like it.
Go Blues
Cripps is the heir apparent AFAIC and is clearly so. Until he is fully ready Murph will get the gig. I'm pretty sure that Murph knows that and is happy with the situation to the extent that he will assist Cripps as much as he can to develop into the role, maybe in 2017. Murph can then enjoy his remaining playing years as an elder statesman of the team, a la Juddy. I'm sure that is the clear strategy and all parties involved understand that.
Cripps is the heir apparent AFAIC and is clearly so. Until he is fully ready Murph will get the gig.
Weitering?
Weitering?
Yep, I have no doubt that Cripps is the man going forward but Murph might be given the job for one more year so Crippa can solidify his on field performance without the pressure of the Captaincy.
Wouldn't mind seeing Cripps in the leadership group though.
Given our current predicament, Murph and Simmo as co captains may be a reasonable compromise.
Given our current predicament, Murph and Simmo as co captains may be a reasonable compromise.
I like the idea of sharing responsibility if we don't have a Hodge, Carey or Kernahan type at the moment. Works for Sydney.
I like the idea of sharing responsibility if we don't have a Hodge, Carey or Kernahan type at the moment. Works for Sydney.
Yet, how would Murphy react to no longer being the sole Captain?
Weitering?
Yep he looks like he could be captaincy material too but Cripps is a bit ahead of him atm. Probably VC eventually and backline general.
Yep he looks like he could be captaincy material too but Cripps is a bit ahead of him atm. Probably VC eventually and backline general.
I reckon let Murphy, Gibbs and Kreuzer share the load for next few years and then we can decide then who the best person is.
I reckon let Murphy, Gibbs and Kreuzer share the load for next few years and then we can decide then who the best person is.
Fair call.
I reckon let Murphy, Gibbs and Kreuzer share the load for next few years and then we can decide then who the best person is.
Makes perfect sense to me!
I would like to see the club bring some aspiring leaders into the leadership group.
My only concern with Krooz as captain is his injury history, as I've stated previously.
Gibbs ? Hmmm................
My only concern with Krooz as captain is his injury history, as I've stated previously.
Gibbs ? Hmmm................
With the dearth of available captains atm I anticipate that BB will expect Gibbs to step up as a leader if not as a captain or VC in name. He is a senior player and must pull his weight as a leader in our present circumstances.
With the dearth of available captains atm I anticipate that BB will expect Gibbs to step up as a leader if not as a captain or VC in name. He is a senior player and must pull his weight as a leader in our present circumstances.
cookie, as I'm sure you know, Gibbs is already VC. If Bolton can get him to step up in the leadership area, that will be quite an achievement. I like Bryce, but I've never seen him as a leader.
Gibbs was identified as having leadership qualities very early on and it's an indictment on our systems that he has failed to come on in that area.
Sure, we can say that we are focussing on recruiting players with leadership attributes but put them into a system where they won't flourish and you get very few leaders. You can then blame recruiting or personality traits but the reality is you need development in leadership just like all other aspects.
Anyway, we're going to have to suffer some pain in that area for a few years so it's not really a big deal whoever they go with.
Not sure I agree with your last sentence, but the rest rings pretty true to me.
Yet, how would Murphy react to no longer being the sole Captain?
Dont think he will be over joyed about a demotion because thats what it is but
being the good player he is I think he would let his footy do the talking to prove he is the better man for the job...
Gibbs was identified as having leadership qualities very early on and it's an indictment on our systems that he has failed to come on in that area.
Sure, we can say that we are focussing on recruiting players with leadership attributes but put them into a system where they won't flourish and you get very few leaders. You can then blame recruiting or personality traits but the reality is you need development in leadership just like all other aspects.
Anyway, we're going to have to suffer some pain in that area for a few years so it's not really a big deal whoever they go with.
Gibbs has done a pretty good job of mentoring young Cripps.
I thought it was a mistake to drop Leading Teams and not bring in a replacement program. The in-house program we have now has a lot of ground to make up.
Here's what Gibbs has to say:
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2015-12-16/gibbs-talks-captaincy-camp-and-comeback
The poor bugger tried to lead with a bit of physicality and copped a two week ban. In that light, I wouldn't mind someone with a bit of attitude in a leadership role.
The sling tackle was a poor example of physicality in my view, and was made worse given that the victim is one of the nicest, cleanest players in the AFL. I hope no player ever gets leadership plaudits for slinging defenseless players to the ground.
I much prefer the Simmo leadership style, based on courage under fire.
The sling tackle was a poor example of physicality in my view, and was made worse given that the victim is one of the nicest, cleanest players in the AFL. I hope no player ever gets leadership plaudits for slinging defenseless players to the ground.
I much prefer the Simmo leadership style, based on courage under fire.
Perhaps opponents should refrain from belting the crap out of Murphy because he's a nice, clean player ::)
The way Gibbs executed the tackle had room for improvement but the intention was faultless. Barker had asked for a "tough-tackling approach" and Gibbs was leading by example.
I much prefer the Johnno Brown leadership style, based on courage with fire :)
The Gibbs tackle was leadership at it's finest because the next bounce after play resumed Cripps drove a Port player into the turf. That physicality set the tone and set up the win.
cookie, as I'm sure you know, Gibbs is already VC. If Bolton can get him to step up in the leadership area, that will be quite an achievement. I like Bryce, but I've never seen him as a leader.
Bryce does not come across as a leader when I've seen him interviewed - he is very laid back and affable but does not seem to have a lot to say unless pushed. TBH, you reminded me that he was VC Paul! Whether or not he remains in a VC or Co Capt role next year remains to be seen, but whether that happens or not I think BB will expect him, along with others, to strongly support the capt and not let anyone push him around, as well as to assist actively in the on field and off field development of the younger guys. IMO this will be vital to us becoming more competitive.
The issue is not about physicality per se. The issue is the relationship between physicality and leadership. Beating up on Murph has nothing to do with leadership.
And Jono Brown's approach to footy has more to do with his own personal ego than a genuine interest in being there for the long haul. It beggars belief that anyone could believe spending half the season on the sidelines with a brain like mash is really helpful to young blokes.
The Gibbs tackle was leadership at it's finest because the next bounce after play resumed Cripps drove a Port player into the turf. That physicality set the tone and set up the win.
I really don't know what to say to this. I don't remember much about the game.
Bryce does not come across as a leader when I've seen him interviewed - he is very laid back and affable but does not seem to have a lot to say unless pushed. TBH, you reminded me that he was VC Paul! Whether or not he remains in a VC or Co Capt role next year remains to be seen, but whether that happens or not I think BB will expect him, along with others, to strongly support the capt and not let anyone push him around, as well as to assist actively in the on field and off field development of the younger guys. IMO this will be vital to us becoming more competitive.
All sounds fair enough to me cookie.
Bryce does not come across as a leader when I've seen him interviewed - he is very laid back and affable but does not seem to have a lot to say unless pushed. TBH, you reminded me that he was VC Paul! Whether or not he remains in a VC or Co Capt role next year remains to be seen, but whether that happens or not I think BB will expect him, along with others, to strongly support the capt and not let anyone push him around, as well as to assist actively in the on field and off field development of the younger guys. IMO this will be vital to us becoming more competitive.
Did you see the interview I linked Cookie?
I thought it was as good as any AFL player has done; on message, positive, both personal and team oriented, supportive of Murph and forward looking. Slightly off topic but he, like others, stressed how different Bolton's approach is. I suppose that helps to explain how far off the pace we had fallen this season.
I saw quite a lot of Judd in how Gibbs spoke and I guess that is to be expected. Of course, Judd wasn't a particularly demonstrative leader and I think many supporters want a more demonstrative, vocal bloke to be the skipper. I'd prefer someone who can scare the pants off opponents with a steely gaze but I don't think they are on our list at the moment.
Has anyone wondered if perhaps all this talk about a new skipper and leaders in general was NOT to replace murphy, but to replace the rest of the leadership group? Or at least make them put in and earn the responsibility again, rather than just inherit it from last year.
Has anyone wondered if perhaps all this talk about a new skipper and leaders in general was NOT to replace murphy, but to replace the rest of the leadership group? Or at least make them put in and earn the responsibility again, rather than just inherit it from last year.
Hmmm, interesting. You may be onto something. Thinking back to this year, what an inspired leadership group choice Hendo was ::).
Has anyone wondered if perhaps all this talk about a new skipper and leaders in general was NOT to replace murphy, but to replace the rest of the leadership group? Or at least make them put in and earn the responsibility again, rather than just inherit it from last year.
Certainly possible, but given what I read, quoting Bolton, Murph, Gibbs, 2E and maybe others, the focus seems to be Murph.
Hmmm, interesting. You may be onto something. Thinking back to this year, what an inspired leadership group choice Hendo was ::).
I think Hendo showed signs of leadership during his time with us. Not sure when and where that little switch turned off in his head, but it was clear he had checked out quite a while ago and offered zero leadership. Perhaps Geelong got in his ear early on and he just gave up?
Certainly possible, but given what I read, quoting Bolton, Murph, Gibbs, 2E and maybe others, the focus seems to be Murph.
What you read is what reporters want to write.
What they write is what is going to sell.
What is going to sell is not that the guys under Murphy are not up to it...it is Murphy himself. Thats the headline....but is it the message?
What you read is what reporters want to write.
What they write is what is going to sell.
What is going to sell is not that the guys under Murphy are not up to it...it is Murphy himself. Thats the headline....but is it the message?
This is always the issue. For us on the outside, it's not possible to know. Bolton did mention a full reset, so clearly your theory is plausible.
I think Hendo showed signs of leadership during his time with us. Not sure when and where that little switch turned off in his head, but it was clear he had checked out quite a while ago and offered zero leadership. Perhaps Geelong got in his ear early on and he just gave up?
We know Geelong got in his ear early, he never checked in for us. Weak as p!ss and happy to see the back of him TBH. And given how little Geelong have shown of him since drafting him, I reckon they may be having second thoughts...and may they be blessed with 3 years of the Hendo Ive grown to know and despise.
I'd tend to agree with Kruds on this issue.
I think our marketing team is earning their money. The captain issue has kept us in the news with positive reinforcement from every senior player re Murphy (Jammo is now quoted). They are not being asked ' What are you doing about Clem Smith', it all about Murphy and captancy. Murph will be captain, no doubt, but it has given our 'leaders' something to focus on, talk about and be united about. And in the process, Bolton made his point and asserted his authority.
Well done marketing dept!!
@DJC
Yes Bryce is a very affable guy and he presents pretty well in that interview but I agree strongly with what you finished your post off with:
I'd prefer someone who can scare the pants off opponents with a steely gaze but I don't think they are on our list at the moment.
I think our marketing team is earning their money. The captain issue has kept us in the news with positive reinforcement from every senior player re Murphy (Jammo is now quoted). They are not being asked ' What are you doing about Clem Smith', it all about Murphy and captancy. Murph will be captain, no doubt, but it has given our 'leaders' something to focus on, talk about and be united about. And in the process, Bolton made his point and asserted his authority.
Well done marketing dept!!
Agree. It's certainly creating the situation whereby when Murph gets the captaincy it will look like a decision that has not been made lightly and that he is the one most deserving of the job.
Murphy and Gibbs lack physical presence and dont command the same respect as say the great premiership captains Hodge, Voss, Carey etc....ideally your captain needs to be able to fly the flag when required, look after and give his team-mates confidence and make a statement to opposing clubs.
Sticks, Fitzy, Big Nick.....we were at our best when we had some muscle tossing the coin...a bloke with a man bun like Gibbs doesnt have the respect.....and Murphy while brave and willing doesnt have the physical presence we need IMO....
Simon White as a suggestion was laughed at by a few and may not be a media darling but I'd rather be out there with him having my back than either Gibbs or Murphy.....
Agreed Elwood. That's why we should make it Murphy, Gibbs and Kreuzer as co captains. Share the load and I think they will all be better for it.
I don't like the idea of co-captains; one captain, one vice-captain and one deputy gives a clear hierarchy.
I would prefer someone with physical presence but we don't have a leader with that attribute at present. However, physical presence is not essential as many great VFL/AFL captains have shown. I always admired Bobby Skilton and he was a lot closer to Murphy than was to Hodge.
I don't like the idea of co-captains; one captain, one vice-captain and one deputy gives a clear hierarchy.
I don't like the idea of anyone our list being sole captain. Murphy has been terrible since he took over.
Just on the topic of flying the flag....
Last night I watched a recording of our rd 1 1997 game against the bombers in which Diesel pushed the umpire after the match. In the centre of the ground Olarenshaw knocked out Camporeale with an elbow/forearm right in front of Brett Ratten and Ratts acted like nothing happened.
Peter Dean came from probably 100 metres away to remonstrate and he was the only one who did. Sticks and SOS did not play.
Was this an early sign of things to come?
Just on the topic of flying the flag....
Last night I watched a recording of our rd 1 1997 game against the bombers in which Diesel pushed the umpire after the match. In the centre of the ground Olarenshaw knocked out Camporeale with an elbow/forearm right in front of Brett Ratten and Ratts acted like nothing happened.
Peter Dean came from probably 100 metres away to remonstrate and he was the only one who did. Sticks and SOS did not play.
Was this an early sign of things to come?
Probably. Another sign was that no one knocked Denham into middle of next week much earlier in the game for harrassing Diesel. If that had been done then Diesel's incident with the ump may never have occurred. I have very very bad menories of that day as I was sitting in the Bummer members area with a friend of mine. It was like being in a feral pig enclosure. :(
Murphy a shoe-in to remain Blues captain
http://www.sen.com.au/news/afl/01-16/murphy-a-shoe-in-to-remain-blues-captain-denham#ggTKSoIps1TJVP1T.97
.... and that's the bottom line... coz Greg Denham said so! ;D
edited - posted wrong link.
New coach Brendon Bolton said the midfielder was no certainty to continue in the role late last year, but Denham says the 28-year-old's job was never in doubt.
"I can assure you there's no way he won't be captain, there's not even a clear second best at the moment. So Murphy is a shoe-in," Denham said on Hungry for Sport.
Read more at http://www.sen.com.au/news/afl/01-16/murphy-a-shoe-in-to-remain-blues-captain-denham#xwQCYiGveZO4xuVz.99
Our new coach is only in the job 2 minutes and he's already being called a liar.
Our new coach is only in the job 2 minutes and he's already being called a liar.
Why is Bolton being called a liar? He said that all leadership positions would be reviewed and a decision made in due course and that's what's happening. Denham may be right about Murphy getting the job but I suspect that he knows a lot less about our potential leaders than Bolton does now.
Bolton said Murphy is no certainty and Denham said not only is he a certainty but it was never in doubt.
Bolton said Murphy is no certainty and Denham said not only is he a certainty but it was never in doubt.
In fact, Bolton said:
"I'm really open-minded at this stage," Bolton said of Murphy's captaincy on Monday.
"As I said, it's a real reset. I want to be able to feel the leadership - look at it, view it, celebrate it and analyse it.
"At the moment I'm really open."
I reckon that's exactly what is happening; no lies, no spin, just the facts ma'am!
Bolton said Murphy is no certainty and Denham said not only is he a certainty but it was never in doubt.
I'm sure at the time Bolton made his statement that Murphy was not a certainty. As time has passed Murphy has emerged as the most likely to captain the club. Denham has simply made this observation. No conspiracy.
My view is that BB isnt sold on Murphy but he will retain the role as skipper but not because he is a great captain or suitable ...purely there are no standout alternatives given Cripps is too young and the other experienced players not up to it either....
Ideally Cripps and Weitering would be our long term leaders but thats a way off yet and we will continue to struggle with leadership on the field until the young players come through..
I doubt Bolton cares much who is named 'captain'. What he wants to develop is more leadership from all the players, that generates the kind of support and teamwork a sucessful team generates. A culture that means players are asking more of each other.
Murphy named captain. Great. But alot more needs to come from senior players especially on and off the field, regardless of who is in leadership groups or anointed with titles.
Bolton doesn't need a captain.
He needs a general.
Murphy will be captain.
We still don't have a general.
I doubt Bolton cares much who is named 'captain'. What he wants to develop is more leadership from all the players, that generates the kind of support and teamwork a sucessful team generates. A culture that means players are asking more of each other.
Murphy named captain. Great. But alot more needs to come from senior players especially on and off the field, regardless of who is in leadership groups or anointed with titles.
I think that's pretty close to the mark. Murphy as captain is a no brainer but it is the leadership that comes from the other players that is critical and will help to determine how well the team performs.
Murphy reminds me a lot of Bobby Skilton, who was one of the outstanding captains of his era, but who used to get the cr@p belted out of him almost every game. The Swans lacked leadership and the capacity to protect their skipper.
Bolton doesn't need a captain.
He needs a general.
Murphy will be captain.
We still don't have a general.
I'm really not sure what this means ::)
Bolton's approach is to ensure that all players understand the team goals and how to achieve them. The last thing he would want is someone else calling the shots.
Bolton doesn't need a captain.
He needs a general.
Murphy will be captain.
We still don't have a general.
Noice!
This assumes Bolton's game plan is thug based liked the Angry Ant's version!
Well to me it simply means that BB has now reviewed the current leadership stocks and has decided that the type of captain he really wants longer term is either not at the club yet or is not yet ready to take the captaincy. In the meantime he will continue with Murph and at the same time continue to develop our leadership qualities across the board. I don't have a problem with this and Murph will more than likely rise to the challenge - well I hope so anyway.
Well to me it simply means that BB has now reviewed the current leadership stocks and has decided that the type of captain he really wants longer term is either not at the club yet or is not yet ready to take the captaincy. In the meantime he will continue with Murph and at the same time continue to develop our leadership qualities across the board. I don't have a problem with this and Murph will more than likely rise to the challenge - well I hope so anyway.
Perhaps Bolton has decided that Murphy is exactly the right person to lead the club back to where it should be.
I really struggle with the idea that Murphy is captain by default. The night Ch 7 miked him up really showed how comfortable and effective he is in the role and how well his team mates responded to him.
I would have been very unhappy with Bolton if he had just gone along with the leadership structure put in place by the dickhead who was pretending to be our coach. However, now that Bolton has had time to assess our leaders, I expect that Murphy will be provided with more support than he has enjoyed in the past.
I really struggle with the idea that Murphy is captain by default.
Tend to agree. Whilst I can for see future leaders in Cripps and Weitering, I doubt that Murph would have knocked Judd off despite his self relegation if the club did not feel he had credibility.
I wouldn't use the word "default". He's the best candidate we've got atm.
Perhaps Bolton has decided that Murphy is exactly the right person to lead the club back to where it should be.
I really struggle with the idea that Murphy is captain by default. The night Ch 7 miked him up really showed how comfortable and effective he is in the role and how well his team mates responded to him.
I would have been very unhappy with Bolton if he had just gone along with the leadership structure put in place by the dickhead who was pretending to be our coach. However, now that Bolton has had time to assess our leaders, I expect that Murphy will be provided with more support than he has enjoyed in the past.
Me too.
That being said there are multiple layers to reviewing this decision and making no changes.
1. Encourage more leaders to put their hands up and lead.
2. Take ownership of the club and its leadership ensuring that it looks like you really are in control.
3. Placate the masses who might have been critical of murph's leadership in the past that we do in fact have the right man in the role.
There was nothing to lose by reviewing the captaincy and making no changes or even making changes.
There was by just going through the motions.
I reckon Smurph is a much better captain than given credit for, he just doesn't run around slogging people and have a group of sycophants in the media waxing lyrical about him at every opportunity.
I reckon Smurph is a much better captain than given credit for, he just doesn't run around slogging people and have a group of sycophants in the media waxing lyrical about him at every opportunity.
Well he'll certainly have the opportunity to demonstrate that under BB now, if current speculation is true. All the best to him.
Makes me wild when clueless supporters call him gutless... Got hammered in contests against far bigger men and only ever had eyes for the ball. Dedicated trainer and doesn't get up to mischief off field. A good example for others... Not everyone is a human battering ram.
I reckon Smurph is a much better captain than given credit for, he just doesn't run around slogging people and have a group of sycophants in the media waxing lyrical about him at every opportunity.
2011/2012 he was one of the best players in the comp. After he was appointed captain in 2013 he's no longer close to that bracket.
I'm let's be honest not a lot of options either are there? Gibbs... No , jamo , to old , Kruz not on the park enough, Simo , to old now no point , Daisy , not on the park enough , running out for f options very quickly . Murph will be re appointed wouldn't say out of default , but lack of options play a part in it
2011/2012 he was one of the best players in the comp. After he was appointed captain in 2013 he's no longer close to that bracket.
Is that because of the captaincy or because he had to add a defensive aspect to his game?
simmo until he finishes. Then possibly cripps
Is that because of the captaincy or because he had to add a defensive aspect to his game?
Defensive. His deficiencies were masked by a side that performed well.
I'm really not sure what this means ::)
Someone has picked up on it...
Noice!
This assumes Bolton's game plan is thug based liked the Angry Ant's version!
Basically, a captain is the figurehead who plays nice for the camera. Role model for the kids. Usually someone marketable.
A general, is someone on game day who gets stuff done. Not always is a role model kind of way.
Hodge was always the general at Hawthorn. Even when Mitchell was captain, Hodge was the one that got things done, changed the game. Sometimes it was a big hit, sometimes it was a kiss. Could also be called an enforcer, but isn't limited to just the physical side of the game, but definitely has that 'aura' about them.
So Hodge, Jono Brown, Greg Williams, Peter Dean, Dermott Brereton, Gary Ablett Snr, Barry Hall are good examples, even someone like Adrian Hickmott and Aaron Hamill qualify.
Every club has a captain, not every club has a general. Sometimes they can be the same thing, but Murphy is no general.
Someone has picked up on it...
Basically, a captain is the figurehead who plays nice for the camera. Role model for the kids. Usually someone marketable.
A general, is someone on game day who gets stuff done. Not always is a role model kind of way.
Hodge was always the general at Hawthorn. Even when Mitchell was captain, Hodge was the one that got things done, changed the game. Sometimes it was a big hit, sometimes it was a kiss. Could also be called an enforcer, but isn't limited to just the physical side of the game, but definitely has that 'aura' about them.
So Hodge, Jono Brown, Greg Williams, Peter Dean, Dermott Brereton, Gary Ablett Snr, Barry Hall are good examples, even someone like Adrian Hickmott and Aaron Hamill qualify.
Every club has a captain, not every club has a general. Sometimes they can be the same thing, but Murphy is no general.
Interestingly, there was a retired Hawthorn player on SEN today (I didn't catch his name) who said that while Tuck was the very quietly spoken captain, it was obvious that Brereton "owned" the club. However, he described Brereton as more of a troubleshooter or problem solver than a general. He also said that Mitchell and Hodge are incredibly similar in the way they captained the side.
I would say that Hawthorn has several players who carry out your "general" role; Roughead, Mitchell, Lewis, Rioli, Hodge and possibly Gunston. They are the blokes who have the ability to take the game by the scruff of the neck and really influence the result.
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Every club has a captain, not every club has a general. Sometimes they can be the same thing, but Murphy is no general.
I definitely agree with that. Who was our most recent general?
I definitely agree with that. Who was our most recent general?
I couldn't find anyone post Hickmott/Hamill.
I couldn't find anyone post Hickmott/Hamill.
Fev, this is why we were weak as piss against the top sides once he left.
Fev, this is why we were weak as piss against the top sides once he left.
Yes and no. Fev when 'on' certainly fit the bill. Fev when 'off' was an extra goal post.
It's true, Fev was the one. Plus his off days were overstated in his last few years at the club. Certainly picked us up on hi shoulders and carried us over the line in pretty much every big win we had.
Fev, this is why we were weak as piss against the top sides once he left.
Yes, I thought of Fev, but only when he has on song. Waite is another but only inconsistently.
Wiggins ;D
Wiggins ;D
He wasn't called the Chief for nothing ;)
Of course, he was one of very few of our recent players who would go out of his way to put a heavy block on opposition taggers.
aka "The Wiggler".
Murph will remain captain more for lack of another option than him being a great captain. Another big year from Cripps and he will get it for 2017.
Murph will remain captain more for lack of another option than him being a great captain. Another big year from Cripps and he will get it for 2017.
I doubt it. Bolton and Anthony Klarica won't be taking an ad hoc approach to leadership and the club has stated that Cripps has enough on his plate without being rushed into a leadership role. If he is ready for a leadership role in 2017, it won't be as captain.
I doubt it. Bolton and Anthony Klarica won't be taking an ad hoc approach to leadership and the club has stated that Cripps has enough on his plate without being rushed into a leadership role. If he is ready for a leadership role in 2017, it won't be as captain.
Yes - I would be extremely surprised (and pretty concerned) if he was 2017 Captain.
Yes - I would be extremely surprised (and pretty concerned) if he was 2017 Captain.
Interesting point of view. I think he is already the leader out there, and will be more so this year. Age nor title define who is ready to lead and when. If the argument is that it will be too much unecessary pressure too early then this is a different argument. I think players will follow him instinctively whereas I don't think Murph ever had that aura on the playing group.
*Simpson being the other.
Interesting point of view. I think he is already the leader out there, and will be more so this year. Age nor title define who is ready to lead and when. If the argument is that it will be too much unecessary pressure too early then this is a different argument. I think players will follow him instinctively whereas I don't think Murph ever had that aura on the playing group.
*Simpson being the other.
The problem is not how often the players follow Murph IMO, it's how often he leads by example. When he does do it he can inspire.
Cripps is an interesting one.
We assume he will continue to develop...but there is a chance he could have an unremarkable year as there will no doubt be extra scrutiny on him given his standout performances at the end of the year.
I personally don't think that will happen...The more likely result will be that he will continue to improve to the extent that he becomes exactly what folk were talking about on the previous page...the team's "general."
In that case he would almost demand the captaincy...and allow for a generational change that would see him the leader for the next ten years...and that's exactly what we need.
If the team photograph is anything to go by, it will be Murphy(c) and Gibbs(vc).
Cripps is an interesting one.
We assume he will continue to develop...but there is a chance he could have an unremarkable year as there will no doubt be extra scrutiny on him given his standout performances at the end of the year.
I personally don't think that will happen...The more likely result will be that he will continue to improve to the extent that he becomes exactly what folk were talking about on the previous page...the team's "general."
In that case he would almost demand the captaincy...and allow for a generational change that would see him the leader for the next ten years...and that's exactly what we need.
Seems like huge pressure of expectation on Cripps but he'll be OK IMO. Very level headed.
If the team photograph is anything to go by, it will be Murphy(c) and Gibbs(vc).
Agree....and its a worry...well intentioned but not the strong leadership we need IMO...caretakers only.
We will have to wait until Cripps, Weitering and others mature before we get the type of setup we need.
Agree....and its a worry...well intentioned but not the strong leadership we need IMO...caretakers only.
We will have to wait until Cripps, Weitering and others mature before we get the type of setup we need.
It will be interesting to see who else gets the nod for the leadership group. Hopefully someone with a more robust leadership style and one of the leaders in waiting.
Surely Cripps will be part of the leadership group even if he is not in a captaincy role this year?
Surely Cripps will be part of the leadership group even if he is not in a captaincy role this year?
Not according to Neil Craig who said Cripps has enough on his plate without being burdened with leadership responsibilities. If that's their assessment then fair enough, let him concentrate on becoming a better footballer.
Not according to Neil Craig who said Cripps has enough on his plate without being burdened with leadership responsibilities. If that's their assessment then fair enough, let him concentrate on becoming a better footballer.
Neil Craig is right IMO.
If the team photograph is anything to go by, it will be Murphy(c) and Gibbs(vc).
Yep picked this up too. However you look at the entire front Row...
Walker, Simpson, Docherty, White, Cripps, Rowe, Daisy (and a few others) are all the senior guys or what you would call leaders at the club. It was quite encouraging that we do have a core of experienced guys here to build with the young guys.
If the team photograph is anything to go by, it will be Murphy(c) and Gibbs(vc).
That's our Hodge and Mitchell right there
:o
Gibbs is set to be named captain for 2016, with Cripps to be named in an extended leadership group.
Gibbs is set to be named captain for 2016, with Cripps to be named in an extended leadership group.
If true then I'm surprised about Gibbs but not about Cripps.
Gibbs is set to be named captain for 2016, with Cripps to be named in an extended leadership group.
Hmmm. Are you trolling Spornts?
If true then I'm surprised about Gibbs but not about Cripps.
I'd be surprised about both, especially given Gibbs support for Murphy a couple of weeks back and the clubs earlier statements about Cripps already having enough to worry about!
I wouldn't be surprised if Gibbs gets the nod, as he is arguably our most important player right now all things considered, and he has been exceptional this off season apparently.
If Murphy is not captain this year, you have to start to think there is an ulterior motive, notwithstanding a Gibbs or other would be worthy. I am just thinking there's not much we can trade at the end of the year who is expendable but also valued by rival clubs. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying this is likely to happen, but the reality is even at 29 Murphy will command a decent pick in return and he won't be part of our next premiership assault. Gibbs is a year younger and has largely been injury free, so he could well be playing strong in 4-54 years whereas Murphy I am not sure has the body to last that long. But a team up the top would hand over a decent pick for Murphy IMO.
@ Wallsy
Given your Murph comments could possibly come to pass, then Gibbs could well be next in line for the captaincy! If he gets it this year then it would be a strong indicator that we could be thinking about using Murph in a possible deal for a later model, possibly from a more northern lattitude? ;)
Hmmm. Are you trolling Spornts?
You know me... no.
You know me... no.
Should be announced Monday morning.
I wouldn't be surprised if Gibbs gets the nod, as he is arguably our most important player right now all things considered, and he has been exceptional this off season apparently.
If Murphy is not captain this year, you have to start to think there is an ulterior motive, notwithstanding a Gibbs or other would be worthy. I am just thinking there's not much we can trade at the end of the year who is expendable but also valued by rival clubs. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying this is likely to happen, but the reality is even at 29 Murphy will command a decent pick in return and he won't be part of our next premiership assault. Gibbs is a year younger and has largely been injury free, so he could well be playing strong in 4-54 years whereas Murphy I am not sure has the body to last that long. But a team up the top would hand over a decent pick for Murphy IMO.
No to Gibbs for mine, would be a step in the wrong direction if you ask me. Murphy was a bad choice at the time in my opinion but he has grown into the role and has improved over time. Reappoint him until Crippa and Weiters are ready (whenever that may be).
Seems to me as though it's merely swapping like for like, and therefore a pointless exercise. Make them co-captains and be done with it.
I can't see Spornton's mail holding up but, if it does, it will polarise supporters even more than Murphy's appointment did.
Gibbs as captain??......If I was Murphy I would be none too impressed and thinking about my future...elsewhere.....if it happens...
Gibbs as captain??......If I was Murphy I would be none too impressed and thinking about my future...elsewhere.....if it happens...
Unless Murphy has decided that he doesn't want to be skipper - but that's unlikely.
Should be announced Monday morning.
I'd of thought the family day on Sunday would make more sense?!
I have difficulty imagining the captaincy being taken away from Murph against his will, especially if he is to be replaced by Gibbs. If it is going to happen then I would have thought that it is at his own request or with his agreement as part of an arrangement that he is included in. We'll see soon enough.
I'd of thought the family day on Sunday would make more sense?!
No mention of Gibbs in the blurb ;)
Everyone from Marc Murphy and Jacob Weitering, to Patrick Cripps and Kade Simpson will be there to sign autographs and take photos with the Carlton faithful.
I have difficulty imagining the captaincy being taken away from Murph against his will, especially if he is to be replaced by Gibbs. If it is going to happen then I would have thought that it is at his own request or with his agreement as part of an arrangement that he is included in. We'll see soon enough.
Unless he is being forced out, which you would have to say would be cruel and unlikely.
But stranger things have happened.
I only say it is possible because Bolts has flagged that he is going to be very objective about this. Now that could mean everything or nothing. It could mean he genuinely wants all players inc the current skipper to show him their leadership creds; it could be he intends to re-appoint Murphy skipper but is just putting on a show to get all players to stand up and show their leadership wares; or it could be the club have conspired to push Murphy out (and even more remote is Murph has already agreed to this, perhaps even initiated the notion of leaving Carlton at the end of 2016).
I think the last option is most unlikely.
But as I said stranger things have happened, and Murph has copped some criticism from some people for his leadership, and we do not appear to have much trade collateral for the end of the year, certainly nothing that we'd be happy to part with and which would land us a first round pick.
The more I think about it, the more I think IF Harry and/or Charlie show some real growth quickly, we might consider trading Levi if a good pick is offered. Levi + our first pick for JOM anyone? Not saying I would do it, just throwing it out there.
@ Wallsy
Some interesting theories there Wallsy. Personally I think we could well expect something of the unexpected in that the club has stated that it is "in a hurry" and so may be tempted to try and pull a rabbit or two out of the hat.
Speculation will certainly run wild if Murph is not re-appointed and makes way for someone else, especially Gibba!
@ Wallsy
Some interesting theories there Wallsy. Personally I think we could well expect something of the unexpected in that the club has stated that it is "in a hurry" and so may be tempted to try and pull a rabbit or two out of the hat.
Speculation will certainly run wild if Murph is not re-appointed and makes way for someone else, especially Gibba!
This ^^^
I have difficulty imagining the captaincy being taken away from Murph against his will, especially if he is to be replaced by Gibbs. If it is going to happen then I would have thought that it is at his own request or with his agreement as part of an arrangement that he is included in. We'll see soon enough.
Opo supporters would have a field day if "Squibbs" (their name for him not mine) was made Captain.
Opo supporters would have a field day if "Squibbs" (their name for him not mine) was made Captain.
Not just opposition supporters - I've seen Bryce referred to by that name on here.
Not just opposition supporters - I've seen Bryce referred to by that name on here.
I think it's more Bryce 'Jibbs' on here! :P
Gibbs is way tougher than Murphy.
Gibbs is way tougher than Murphy.
The sad thing for me is that they are tough to split when it comes to toughness. Not in a good way obviously.
The sad thing for me is that they are tough to split when it comes to toughness. Not in a good way obviously.
Agree.
Murph has nether the physique nor the personality to be a leader, but I reckon he's done his best since he took on the role. He's had no protection, he's taken all the hits and dirty stuff that have come his way, and he's tried to lead as best he can, without complaint. And he deserves credit for that.
X2. and he's a lot tougher than given credit for.
The saddest thing is the lack of support for our captains, whether it be Judd, Murphy or whoever.
Murphy is fine, he gets belted week in week out and nobody stops, nobody remonstrates, our list is in general piss weak in this regard and that is not Murphy's fault!
Hopefully with Hendo out we might find a CHF/CHB who is a bit more aggressive and caring for the minnows that play around him! It's a pity we didn't pick up the twins, nobody looks after each other like twins do!
I suspect Gorringe and Philips will also offer far more than Warnock did in the past.
I want a team that has our opponents hearing some footsteps, not a team that jumps at shadows!
Whilst there seems to be a certain amount of poo-pooing Murph because (among other things) he doesn't measure up to Hodge, if you have a few minutes, have a look at the 2015-2016 Captains of the other 16 teams. How many of those guys measure up to Hodge ? Not one that i could see. The King Sniper is a highly desirable, but possibly unfair standard.
Whilst there seems to be a certain amount of poo-pooing Murph because (among other things) he doesn't measure up to Hodge, if you have a few minutes, have a look at the 2015-2016 Captains of the other 16 teams. How many of those guys measure up to Hodge ? Not one that i could see. The King Sniper is a highly desirable, but possibly unfair standard.
Only two comparable to Murphy is the other Murphy (Bob) who is an inspirational speaker and Swallow who gets the same criticism from North fans as Murphy does.
The rest of the captains are as tough as nails.
Spoke to the relative of a powerbroker today. Murphy will stay captain for the next two years and Cripps will then take over. According to him anyway.
X2. and he's a lot tougher than given credit for.
X2
Only two comparable to Murphy is the other Murphy (Bob) who is an inspirational speaker and Swallow who gets the same criticism from North fans as Murphy does.
The rest of the captains are as tough as nails.
IMHO, tough as nails and an ability to lead / inspire / get the best out of your teammates are different things, and it is the latter that is far more important in leading a team.
And I wouldn't call Cotchin, Goddard or Pendles hard as nails. The first is rapidly becoming a dirty sniper, the second is a catastrophe in waiting, and the third (whom I love as a player) has the protection of half his teammates, the umpires, and Eddie (which by implication includes the AFL.) Opposition players stay off him like he has a textbook case of leprosy. Must be the least tackled player in the AFL.
I think it's more that you can't tackle him re Pendlebury. Has a lot of the Rhys-Jones' about him.
Rhys was no respecter of big names or occasions- I remember him knocking out Robbie Flower at the MCG right in front of the MCC members! ;D
We should bring him back as specialist mongrel coach.
Spoke to the relative of a powerbroker today. Murphy will stay captain for the next two years and Cripps will then take over. According to him anyway.
The first part is highly likely but I'm not sure about the second part. No-one can predict how Cripps will develop as a player or as a leader or how any of his teammates may develop as leaders and players for that matter.
I think that we have been so starved of emerging talent that Cripps has taken on an aura that may not be entirely justified.
If he does turn out to be the leader many folk think he will be (or is now according to some), that will be great and becoming skipper may help to tie him to us for his entire career. I just don't want to count chickens before they hatch.
You're right Chris- Pendles is pretty slippery and skillful. Love the guy - but I don't see much tough stuff from him.
Rhys was no respecter of big names or occasions- I remember him knocking out Robbie Flower at the MCG right in front of the MCC members! ;D
We should bring him back as specialist mongrel coach.
All AFL teams should adopt this as a new position - "specialist Mongrel coach"
I think that we have been so starved of emerging talent that Cripps has taken on an aura that may not be entirely justified.
Not according to rumors coming from players at opposition clubs, they are as stunned as us that he didn't get the Rising Star and they assess him as being the real deal!
IMHO, tough as nails and an ability to lead / inspire / get the best out of your teammates are different things, and it is the latter that is far more important in leading a team.
And I wouldn't call Cotchin, Goddard or Pendles hard as nails. The first is rapidly becoming a dirty sniper, the second is a catastrophe in waiting, and the third (whom I love as a player) has the protection of half his teammates, the umpires, and Eddie (which by implication includes the AFL.) Opposition players stay off him like he has a textbook case of leprosy. Must be the least tackled player in the AFL.
I wouldn't call Goddard tough either I was looking at a pic of last year's captains.
I wouldn't call Goddard tough either I was looking at a pic of last year's captains.
My post #249 did mention 2015-2016 captains, but I accept it is a trivial matter, and easily overlooked.
Toeing the line or a genuine assessment of Murphy's leadership?
A decision is expected to be made on Carlton's captaincy in the next fortnight and Thomas backed Marc Murphy to continue in the role as he had been a "fantastic" leader in Thomas' two years there.
It seems that Gibbs won't named captain today :)
It seems that Gibbs won't named captain today :)
;D He didn't say which Monday LOL
;D He didn't say which Monday LOL
8)
Jon Pierik has picked up the team photograph hint:
The Blues have yet to publicly endorse Marc Murphy as skipper, but that seems all but assured. He sat to the right of coach Brendon Bolton, the traditional spot for a captain, in the recent team photo, and all players have enthusiastically backed him when questioned.
An announcement is expected early next week, before the Blues open the NAB Challenge against Hawthorn in Launceston on Thursday night.
"From my point of view, I'd like to see Murph run on as captain," Tuohy said. "I think he's had a tough time over the last few years. He's been much-maligned and the way he's held himself the last few years. He's a player I respect incredibly."
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-2016-blues-hope-humphrey-kreuzer-talks-through-his-actions-20160212-gmsibr.html#ixzz4016JexQp
Tuohy has endorsed Murphy and he's on my new membership card. Perhaps he'll be announced as captain on Monday ;)
The team photograph arrangement suggests that Gibbs will be vice captain. Not many other blokes stand out but I'd prefer to see a point of difference between captain and vice, ie one of them to be as hard as a cat's head.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-02-15/blues-overhaul-leadership-group-but-marc-murphy-retains-captaincy
it's official. Murph el capitano.
Simmo captain of vice
leadership group :
Gibbs
Cripps
Docherty
Curnow E
Walker
No Krooz ?
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-02-15/blues-overhaul-leadership-group-but-marc-murphy-retains-captaincy
it's official. Murph el capitano.
Simmo captain of vice
leadership group :
Gibbs
Cripps
Docherty
Curnow E
Walker
I don't mind that leadership group but I hope we see leadership across the board, not just from the designated leaders.
Walker's responses were measured and articulate and just what you'd expect from a leader and senior player.
Walker is the interesting one. Coach throwing down the gauntlet, keen to see if he responds
Walker is the interesting one. Coach throwing down the gauntlet, keen to see if he responds
Yes - I noticed both Krooz and Daisy were omitted, and I thought maybe Bolts doesn't like injury prone players in the leadership group. Then I saw Walks...............
There's an interesting interview with the skipper here:
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2016-02-15/murphy-appointed-skipper-for-2016?camefrom=EMCL_960581_38146485
Clearly the playing group and coaches think more highly of Murph's leadership than some supporters. Murph is obviously aware of the knocks on his captaincy but he's also confident that he is the right man for the job.
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Bazinga!
It's a pretty good group with Murph as, IMO, the obvious choice for capt. for the time being. Good to see Simmo in there as the senior elder statesman, Cripps as a rep of the younger guys and Curnow as a testament to sheer effort! 8)
1AW must going OK too.
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One thing about this photo that stands out to me - Cripps is an absolute monster.....
One thing about this photo that stands out to me - Cripps is an absolute monster.....
Yes, particularly with how his head seems so much bigger ;)
It's a pretty good group with Murph as, IMO, the obvious choice for capt. for the time being. Good to see Simmo in there as the senior elder statesman, Cripps as a rep of the younger guys and Curnow as a testament to sheer effort! 8)
1AW must going OK too.
Is the inclusion of Simmo and 1AW a sign that some of the older guys have now clicked and realise that time is fast running out?
Perhaps this might mean we recover faster than we expect!
Did Simmo ever require anything to click ? Observing as an outsider, he has come across to me as our spiritual leader for a number of years.
Did Simmo ever require anything to click ? Observing as an outsider, he has come across to me as our spiritual leader for a number of years.
I would agree that Simmo has been the Spiritual leader for quite some time. Just a pity he has has been surrounded by too many atheists......
If everyone in Navy Blue put in as much as Simmo, we would be far better off
I would agree that Simmo has been the Spiritual leader for quite some time. Just a pity he has has been surrounded by too many atheists......
If everyone in Navy Blue put in as much as Simmo, we would be far better off
Yep - very happy he is now VC. I was hoping he'd be made skipper.
There's a great article on Ed Curnow in today's Age.
I have put it here because it covers Murph's captaincy too.
"I really wanted to get in and help Murph - it can't be all on him," said Curnow, a 26-year-old whose presence in an expanded seven-man group is testament to the multi-layered benefits of hard work, which not only brings results but also makes you an exemplar for others to follow.
"Last year there was the media, scrutiny from fans and in-club a bit too. He was copping it, and I saw that first hand. It would have been really hard for him emotionally, as it was for a lot of us players, going out there and getting smashed. But he was copping the brunt of everything that came with losing.
"Just to be a real support for him, I'm pumped about being there for him."
. . .
Discarded by Adelaide after a game-less rookie season in 2008, given a second chance by the Blues after two years with Box Hill in the VFL, and noted more for his supreme workrate than abundant natural talent, Curnow epitomises leadership in its simplest form.
"I'm passionate about Carlton. I want us to do well, and anything I can do to improve the club, my teammates, I'll do it," said Curnow, who did not hesitate to put his name forward when nominations were called for last month.
"I think I connect well with a broad range of players. My standards at training and in games is high. I think the group's chosen me because they want me to keep driving those standards and values that we've chosen as a group."
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ed-curnow-joins-carltons-expanded-leadership-group-20160215-gmump1.html#ixzz40IDYpOZm
I wasn't really expecting Curnow to be in the leadership group, but after reading that, I'm glad he is. I suppose it just shows how we're really guessing when it comes to evaluating leadership from the sidelines.
It's a pretty good group with Murph as, IMO, the obvious choice for capt. for the time being. Good to see Simmo in there as the senior elder statesman, Cripps as a rep of the younger guys and Curnow as a testament to sheer effort! 8)
1AW must going OK too.
Good summery Cookie, I'm happy with this group, 7 is a good number, happy to see Simmo get some recognition with the VC too.
All our leadership group (except for Cripp's obvious size) are small- med running players... the Carlton of old always had a gun big man as the leader.
All our leadership group (except for Cripp's obvious size) are small- med running players... the Carlton of old always had a gun big man as the leader.
Yep..that always been the way....Big Nick, Fitzy, Sticks....Kruezer should have been in the leadership group IMO....the players all say he is important and he played a decent run of games last season and its time he took on some responsibility..
Yep..that always been the way....Big Nick, Fitzy, Sticks....Kruezer should have been in the leadership group IMO....the players all say he is important and he played a decent run of games last season and
its time he took on some responsibility..
Does just "being big" constitute good leadership qualities though? This is not just a decision by one person. BB and the club generally seem to have made careful assessment of demonstrated leadership qualities prior to these appointments being voted on. Kreuz didn't obviously get sufficient votes, despite his height.
Yep..that always been the way....Big Nick, Fitzy, Sticks....Kruezer should have been in the leadership group IMO....the players all say he is important and he played a decent run of games last season and
its time he took on some responsibility..
Yes, all big blokes except for Comben, Silvagni, Barassi, Jesaulenko, Johnston, Bradley, Ratten, McKay, Judd and Murphy :) There are some tough nuts among that lot though.
I'm not sure about Kreuzer as a leader. He may lead by example, and that's fine, but he doesn't seem to be a bloke who would relish a role as an active, vocal leader. I suspect that he didn't nominate for a leadership role but, if he did, the playing group and coaching panel didn't think he was up to it.
It would be nice if one or more of our 200cm/100kg brigade stepped up as a leader.
Does just "being big" constitute good leadership qualities though? This is not just a decision by one person. BB and the club generally seem to have made careful assessment of demonstrated leadership qualities prior to these appointments being voted on. Kreuz didn't obviously get sufficient votes, despite his height.
Big makes you more intimidating, and I think it also means you can dish it out with greater force, stand up for your teammates better, withstand knocks better etc.
I don't know what any of this has to do with leadership, but being a big bully does seem to be advantageous in AFL footy.
As for Krooz, maybe :
a. he didn't want it
b. club thought he wasn't suitable, for a variety of reasons - injuries, too introverted etc.
Big makes you more intimidating, and I think it also means you can dish it out with greater force, stand up for your teammates better, withstand knocks better etc.
I don't know what any of this has to do with leadership, but being a big bully does seem to be advantageous in AFL footy.
As for Krooz, maybe :
a. he didn't want it
b. club thought he wasn't suitable, for a variety of reasons - injuries, too introverted etc.
Paul, that just sounds like hired muscle rather than leadership qualities. I would like to see some muscle in our team without doubt - the kind of blokes who will deter opposition bully boys going near our talent for fear of what could and would be delivered back on them. It's not essential that these particular guys are our leaders though.
Congratulations to Cripps BTW. Guess we all figured it was a formality but kudos still.
Paul, that just sounds like hired muscle rather than leadership qualities. I would like to see some muscle in our team without doubt - the kind of blokes who will deter opposition bully boys going near our talent for fear of what could and would be delivered back on them. It's not essential that these particular guys are our leaders though.
Yes, I suppose it is. But if you think about players like Nicholls and Hodge, they do have that fear factor, which I think helps.
But I take your point.
Yes, I suppose it is. But if you think about players like Nicholls and Hodge, they do have that fear factor, which I think helps.
But I take your point.
Sure, but they also had/have the leadership and inspirational qualities to go with that physical presence.
Yes, all big blokes except for Comben, Silvagni, Barassi, Jesaulenko, Johnston, Bradley, Ratten, McKay, Judd and Murphy :) There are some tough nuts among that lot though.
I'm not sure about Kreuzer as a leader. He may lead by example, and that's fine, but he doesn't seem to be a bloke who would relish a role as an active, vocal leader. I suspect that he didn't nominate for a leadership role but, if he did, the playing group and coaching panel didn't think he was up to it.
It would be nice if one or more of our 200cm/100kg brigade stepped up as a leader.
Like your list DJ but Bradley and Murphy wouldnt be in my tough nut category, take yours and Cookies point about MK not being a natural leader but I could say the same thing about Murphy
who had to grow into the captains job....I think Kreuzer could have been challenged by being in the leadership group and he may have surprised....
Like your list DJ but Bradley and Murphy wouldnt be in my tough nut category, take yours and Cookies point about MK not being a natural leader but I could say the same thing about Murphy
who had to grow into the captains job....I think Kreuzer could have been challenged by being in the leadership group and he may have surprised....
Perhaps Anthony Klarica and Bolts will sow the seeds and Kreuzer will put his hand up next season. As I said previously, it would be good to have at least one of our big men in the leadership group.
In the absence of that, I'd like to see our big blokes taking the lead when it comes to flying the flag.
Stop the presses! Spornton was wrong!!!!
Stop the presses! Spornton was wrong!!!!
But he didn't say which Monday ;)
But he didn't say which Monday ;)
I was wrong to assume he meant 2016 :))
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Who's that cute kid in front ?
Yes, all big blokes except for Comben, Silvagni, Barassi, Jesaulenko, Johnston, Bradley, Ratten, McKay, Judd and Murphy :) There are some tough nuts among that lot though.
I'm not sure about Kreuzer as a leader. He may lead by example, and that's fine, but he doesn't seem to be a bloke who would relish a role as an active, vocal leader. I suspect that he didn't nominate for a leadership role but, if he did, the playing group and coaching panel didn't think he was up to it.
It would be nice if one or more of our 200cm/100kg brigade stepped up as a leader.
I'm not sure about Kreuzer either but our leadership over the last few years has been awful.
I would love to have seen some of our guys have to go to Hawthorn and train for a month last year.
I doubt Luke Hodge would tolerate the piss weak attitudes.
It would be nice if one or more of our 200cm/100kg brigade stepped up as a leader.
I suppose the club can only call it as they see it, in the past many of our 200cm types are more likely to shrink under the spotlight rather than turn into the next Tom Jones! We need some extroverted complete bastards like Hodge, Roughead and Lewis!
Early signs are Cripps might have the mean streak, and the new kid McKay has shown some signs as well. CurnowV2 appears to be the adventurous type, perhaps he'll develop some verbosity!
I was wrong to assume he meant 2016 :))
Apology accepted. It's coming...
Apology accepted. It's coming...
Murphy is going to step down one day? Thanks chuckles.
Is this thread about Robbo?
MITCH Robinson’s remarkable rise from scrapheap to skipper has continued.
The one-time Carlton wildchild all but had a black line through his name after being delisted by the Blues at the end of 2014.
But now there will be a (c) next to his name after he was appointed Brisbane captain for Sunday’s NAB Challenge game against Gold Coast at Burpengary.
That would never have happened at Carlton. Not sure if that says more about us or them....
That would never have happened at Carlton. Not sure if that says more about us or them....
Robbo would have been more than happy to remain as just a foot soldier with us.
Tell porkies, you pay a price. Simple.
Tell porkies, you pay a price. Simple.
The bullied lie to the bullies everyday! ;)
I think we cannot seperate our action from this result.
We effectively sacked Mitch without recourse.
He has responded to that admirably. He worked his behind off last pre season. Came back in rip snorting form. Had a great individual season even though his team was rubbish, and ended up B+F for it.
He has now earned the opportunity to captain his side.
Whilst Mitch never really gave us any issues to worry about on field (aside from his blaze away style) we saw reason enough to sack him.
As much as Im dissapointed, we have to believe the club had its best intentions at heart when doing this, particularly when we see the current outcomes with Yarran and Menzel and that his sacking laid the foundation for other things to occur.
I think we cannot seperate our action from this result.
We effectively sacked Mitch without recourse.
He has responded to that admirably. He worked his behind off last pre season. Came back in rip snorting form. Had a great individual season even though his team was rubbish, and ended up B+F for it.
He has now earned the opportunity to captain his side.
Whilst Mitch never really gave us any issues to worry about on field (aside from his blaze away style) we saw reason enough to sack him.
As much as Im dissapointed, we have to believe the club had its best intentions at heart when doing this, particularly when we see the current outcomes with Yarran and Menzel and that his sacking laid the foundation for other things to occur.
The only nagging doubt I have is that we took the easy option and perhaps our football followed the same path. The fact that he is captaining Brisbane suggests that he wasn't a lost cause.
He has his faults but I wouldn't mind having him on our list.
Good luck to him.
The only nagging doubt I have is that we took the easy option and perhaps our football followed the same path. The fact that he is captaining Brisbane suggests that he wasn't a lost cause.
He has his faults but I wouldn't mind having him on our list.
Good luck to him.
Pretty much agree.
The only nagging doubt I have is that we took the easy option and perhaps our football followed the same path. The fact that he is captaining Brisbane suggests that he wasn't a lost cause.
He has his faults but I wouldn't mind having him on our list.
Good luck to him.
Of course, but the age old adage rings true.
What came first the chicken or the egg?
Just like Yarran, there was every chance for it to be the status quo with us. We decided to cut our losses and move on, and frankly given where our list was at, that was possibly a harder decision to make than cutting loose Yarran was given we had well and truly embraced a rebuild by the time we cut ways with Yarran.
Of course, but the age old adage rings true.
What came first the chicken or the egg?
Just like Yarran, there was every chance for it to be the status quo with us. We decided to cut our losses and move on, and frankly given where our list was at, that was possibly a harder decision to make than cutting loose Yarran was given we had well and truly embraced a rebuild by the time we cut ways with Yarran.
Would you have Robinson back if he was available for a reasonable price, he's only 26?
Would you have Robinson back if he was available for a reasonable price, he's only 26?
No.
While I would have preferred to have kept him, there's too much water under the bridge now and I reckon he'd struggle to get a game now.
Would you have Robinson back if he was available for a reasonable price, he's only 26?
Nope moved on and left him behind.
Crippa is the one we should be looking to build around.
Would you have Robinson back if he was available for a reasonable price, he's only 26?
No and I was a big Robbo fan.
You'd expect that his departure wasn't simply based on those off field indiscretions and Malthouse alone. In Juddy's book he is candid in his assessment of our playing list, which I am sure would be reflected by others inside the leadership group.
On his arrival at Carlton
Some players were not in the least interested in trying to set a course to win a premiership or so it seemed to me. These players were a minority, but it was a big enough minority to be distabilising.
On the start of the 2015 season.
Our list had been turned over by some 10 or 11 players. Some of those who had left were good guys, dependable teammates and solid citizens who simply weren't capable of playing good enough footy to stay. Brock McLean was one. Others I wasn't so displeased when they were shown the door.
Of course I am speculating, but you couldn't say that Mitch wasn't capable of playing good enough football to stay.
No and I was a big Robbo fan.
You'd expect that his departure wasn't simply based on those off field indiscretions and Malthouse alone. In Juddy's book he is candid in his assessment of our playing list, which I am sure would be reflected by others inside the leadership group.
On his arrival at Carlton
On the start of the 2015 season.
Of course I am speculating, but you couldn't say that Mitch wasn't capable of playing good enough football to stay.
Judd's arrival comments are not related to Robinson, he wasn't there.
I suspect the other comments could easily relate to Bootsma, Lucas, Betts and Garlett. I think the chapter you refer to discusses work ethic at training and doing the right thing to get yourself in shape for game day. Robinson was always regarded as a hard worker on the training track, I am not sure you can put him in the soft trainers basket.
If you had a choice between Daisy in 2017 and Robinson what would you do?
Would you have Robinson back if he was available for a reasonable price, he's only 26?
Yes.
Would you have Robinson back if he was available for a reasonable price, he's only 26?
No...while he was more aggressive in his attack on the footy than most his skills let him and the team down too often, loved his passion and its hard not to want him back given we are the softest team in the comp but we need a new Robbo with improved skills....
The player I want back is Eddie Betts.....
Judd's arrival comments are not related to Robinson, he wasn't there.
I suspect the other comments could easily relate to Bootsma, Lucas, Betts and Garlett. I think the chapter you refer to discusses work ethic at training and doing the right thing to get yourself in shape for game day. Robinson was always regarded as a hard worker on the training track, I am not sure you can put him in the soft trainers basket.
If you had a choice between Daisy in 2017 and Robinson what would you do?
I included the arrival comments because they highlighted a distabilising culture that already existed. One into which a young and impressionable player could easily fall.
The chapter I refer to suggests that "getting a new contract was far more important than team success for these guys." As I said I was a Robbo fan but I'm not sold on the idea that he was the consummate team player and that is what sealed his fate. His off field behaviour wasn't the catalyst but it sealed the deal.
As for a choice between Robbo and Daisy. Lets just see out Daisy's contract and be done with it. It's a new era.
A most premature statement, I know but imagine what a 22 year old Sam Kerridge might be like in 3 years time in terms of leadership potential. There just seems to be something special about him, even at this early stage!!
Disposal a little sloppy as mentioned but so was Andy Carrazzo's when he first came over. Easily in the 22 on that performance.
Disposal a little sloppy as mentioned but so was Andy Carrazzo's when he first came over. Easily in the 22 on that performance.
Agree but I think we were a bit rough around the edges generally. What I like is that we seem to be building a structure and gameplan which will allow us to refine our skills over time and I'm expecting us to improve as the year progresses. Kerridge is a very promising recruit for us and one that should help greatly in building the team culture.