Two weeks to go until we unfurl Carlton 2016. Just lining up to get tickets and from the line there it will be a Carlton home game crowd wise. It was nine years ago when last Carlton graced Tassie's premier football stadium, Waite was playing CHB on Buddy and Dick Pratt was newly appointed as President, there was a serious amount of optimism going round about the Blues. I remember Carlton supporters walking up to Pratt and shaking his hand, thanking him for taking over.
So maybe it's a Launceston game that signals a reset for the club. ;)
Anyway, sounds like the ground will be sold out and 80% will be blues fans, roll on Feb 18
B: Simmo Jamison Weitering
HB: Docherty Rowe Tuohy
C: Buckley Graham Curnow
HF: Thomas Everitt Kerridge
F: Walker Phillips Wright
R: Kreuzer Gibbs Cripps
Int: Cuningham, C. Curnow, Boekhurst, McKay
Assumes Levi, Smurf, Plowman not ready.....
B: Simmo Jamison Weitering
HB: Docherty Rowe Tuohy
C: Buckley Graham Curnow
HF: Thomas Everitt Kerridge
F: Walker Phillips Wright
R: Kreuzer Gibbs Cripps
Int: Cuningham, C. Curnow, Boekhurst, McKay
Assumes Levi, Smurf, Plowman not ready.....
Is the interchange limited to 4 players or is there an extended bench for the NAB challenge?
B: Simmo Jamison Weitering
HB: Docherty Rowe Tuohy
C: Buckley Graham Curnow
HF: Thomas Everitt Kerridge
F: Walker Phillips Wright
R: Kreuzer Gibbs Cripps
Int: Cuningham, C. Curnow, Boekhurst, McKay
Assumes Levi, Smurf, Plowman not ready.....
I'll be staggered if Kruezer plays, same with Walker, Jamison and Simmo. I reckon Byrne, Gorringe are near certainties, I actually wouldn't be surprised to see Korcheck, Gallucci, Glass - McCasker too.
fair enough Raydan, some straight swaps with several of the blokes you named eg Korchek/Gorringe for Special K, G-Mc for Jamo, Irishman for Simmo.....
i hope Walks plays - up forward!!
Is the interchange limited to 4 players or is there an extended bench for the NAB challenge?
I was thinking the same ???
I wonder if the Dawks will do BB any favours? :o
I wonder if the Dawks will do BB any favours? :o
I suspect not; doing favours doesn't win premierships.
They'll generally give all players a game over the first 2 games then roll out their round one team week 3.
Simmo, Murphy, Kreuzer, Walker, Thomas, Gibbs, etc. Will probably play week 3 and not much else.
I suspect not; doing favours doesn't win premierships.
...and I'm sure BB wouldn't want any favours.
I wonder if the Dawks will do BB any favours? :o
Preseason match. What favours?
I wonder if the Dawks will do BB any favours? :o
The best favor would be for them to play at full strength squad so we knew exactly where we stand. Won't happen though.
Hawks will rest all their good players and play rookies and kids.....they will have zero interest in the NAB cup and couldnt care less if we beat them and give BB his first win...
I want to see this young man in action - reckon he could be anything - and sooner than later. Only just 18 on Christmas Eve!
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-11-19/5-days-to-the-draft-meet-the-highflying-athletic-tall-harry-mckay (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-11-19/5-days-to-the-draft-meet-the-highflying-athletic-tall-harry-mckay)
Will he grow more?!
I want to see this young man in action - reckon he could be anything - and sooner than later. Only just 18 on Christmas Eve!
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-11-19/5-days-to-the-draft-meet-the-highflying-athletic-tall-harry-mckay (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-11-19/5-days-to-the-draft-meet-the-highflying-athletic-tall-harry-mckay)
Will he grow more?!
Look at the training footage and pics on the website, he is noticeably taller than Casboult and Kreuzer and doesn't look that much small than Korcheck. I love the way he launches at the ball and seems to move well in the limited footage I've seen of him training.
Is the interchange limited to 4 players or is there an extended bench for the NAB challenge?
From the Adelaide website:
n the first two rounds of the NAB Challenge, clubs can name squads of up to 26 players (18 on the field and eight on the interchange) plus three emergencies.
Squad sizes will be reduced to 24 players and three emergencies in the final round of the summer series as clubs fine tune for Round One of the season proper. Senior Coach Don Pyke said the Crows had started discussions about how to structure its NAB Challenge campaign.
There will be no limit on interchanges in the first two rounds. In the third round, a cap of 90 will apply in accordance with the rules of the 2016 Toyota AFL Premiership Season. The cap doesn’t include changes made at the breaks.
Games in each of the first two rounds will feature 20-minute quarters. The first 15 minutes will be set (no time on), while the last five minutes will be timed as per the home and away season (plus time on). In the final round, games will be timed in line with the Premiership Season (20 minutes plus time on).
The popular ‘super goal’ returns for another pre-season, with players to be awarded nine points for goals kicked from outside 50m. In another point of different to the home and away season, rookie-listed players are automatically available for selection in the NAB Challenge.
In line with rule changes introduced for the 2016 Premiership Season, umpires will apply a stricter interpretation of a dangerous tackle and deliberate out of bounds. The size of the protected area around ball carrier will also be increased.
B: Simmo Jamison Weitering
HB: Docherty Rowe Tuohy
C: Buckley Graham Curnow
HF: Thomas Everitt Kerridge
F: Walker Phillips Wright
R: Kreuzer Gibbs Cripps
Int: Cuningham, C. Curnow, Boekhurst, McKay
Assumes Levi, Smurf, Plowman not ready.....
Reckon it'll be more like:
B: Sheehan Jaksch Weitering
HB: Docherty Rowe Tuohy
C: Buckley Graham Curnow
HF: Wright Everitt Kerridge
F: Lamb McKay Sumner
R: Gorringe Gibbs Cripps
Int: Cuningham, C. Curnow, Boekhurst, Phillips, Smith, Armfield, Whiley, Viojo-Rainbow.
Reckon it'll be more like:
B: Sheehan Jaksch Weitering
HB: Docherty Rowe Tuohy
C: Buckley Graham Curnow
HF: Wright Everitt Kerridge
F: Lamb McKay Sumner
R: Gorringe Gibbs Cripps
Int: Cuningham, C. Curnow, Boekhurst, Phillips, Smith, Armfield, Whiley, Viojo-Rainbow.
That's more like what I would want to see - let's have a look at some of the newer and younger guys bolstered by a few oldies and keep our powder dry with the others for the time being.
Bottom line is our 'stars' - Special K, Murph, Walks, Daisy, Jamo etc need enough match practice to be cherry ripe for the Tiges in Rd 1.
Whether that's no game time in the first game, then a bit in game 2 and more in game 3 is a horses for course thing i guess.....
But we certainly don't want those types playing Rd 1 underdone.....
Reckon it'll be more like:
B: Sheehan Jaksch Weitering
HB: Docherty Rowe Tuohy
C: Buckley Graham Curnow
HF: Wright Everitt Kerridge
F: Lamb McKay Sumner
R: Gorringe Gibbs Cripps
Int: Cuningham, C. Curnow, Boekhurst, Phillips, Smith, Armfield, Whiley, Viojo-Rainbow.
Everitt won't be CHF; wing or third tall and Jones or Jaksch may get the job. Apart from that, I reckon you're pretty close to the mark.
Based on training reports and who's fit and ready:
(http://i64.tinypic.com/nvqn89.png)
I would be playing all the rookies to see how they perform in senior company just in case they need to be called up
If that side is uncompetitive then we're in for a long, long season. Its close to our best side on paper.
If that side is uncompetitive then we're in for a long, long season. Its close to our best side on paper.
There's going to be too much rust in the players and intensity will be too low to draw any conclusions (yet, we do it every year). Still, we're in for a long, long season ;D
Byrne and Sheehan have a long long long way to go, cannot see them keeping Nick Graham out of the side for starters.
Two weeks to go until we unfurl Carlton 2016. Just lining up to get tickets and from the line there it will be a Carlton home game crowd wise. It was nine years ago when last Carlton graced Tassie's premier football stadium, Waite was playing CHB on Buddy and Dick Pratt was newly appointed as President, there was a serious amount of optimism going round about the Blues. I remember Carlton supporters walking up to Pratt and shaking his hand, thanking him for taking over.
So maybe it's a Launceston game that signals a reset for the club. ;)
Anyway, sounds like the ground will be sold out and 80% will be blues fans, roll on Feb 18
That was a classic to see that day..."Tassie" Hawks.....Pfffftt
Bottom line is our 'stars' - Special K, Murph, Walks, Daisy, Jamo etc need enough match practice to be cherry ripe for the Tiges in Rd 1.
Whether that's no game time in the first game, then a bit in game 2 and more in game 3 is a horses for course thing i guess.....
But we certainly don't want those types playing Rd 1 underdone.....
Agree....you cant hide them and its a balance, you need to build some legs and match fitness into all your senior group without flogging those who are injury prone or coming back from long term injuries...
9 days to go.... yaaay! ;D
who's going?
Me ;D
Looking forward to the report!! :)
The result (as always in pre-season) is meaningless.
The interest will be in seeing how the young players go and how some of the injured boys from last year have recovered.
Going to be in Singapore next week, anyone here know how I can get access the game via the internet??
Going to be in Singapore next week, anyone here know how I can get access the game via the internet??
Have you looked at the AFL live pass subscriptions? I purchased mine as an extra on my CFC membership, but that's for the year. I think you can buy shorter term i.e. month. Enjoy Singapore and travel safe
https://id.afl.com.au/livepass (https://id.afl.com.au/livepass)
does the pass include the NAB Cup matches too?
Read your link flyboy
Every match LIVE
Watch every AFL match live, including NAB Challenge, 2015 Toyota AFL Premiership Season and Finals Series through the AFL Live app on mobile and tablet.
Read your link flyboy
Noted.
It's a pity the AFL no longer offer the weekly pass this year to view live games. I found that useful for the couple of games I couldn't get to or otherwise watch last year. Minimum for this year is the monthly pass, but I guess it's not bad value.
Also, there's a free replay service on the AFL website but I'm not sure if you can access that from overseas - maybe via a VPN?
looks like there is a weekly option Cookie?
No Cripps , No Walker but plenty to see.....
One of those is No.1 draft pick Jacob Weitering, who joins fellow newcomers Charlie Curnow, Harry McKay, Sam Kerridge, Matthew Wright, Jed Lamb, Andrew Phillips, Daniel Gorringe and Andrew Gallucci in the squad.
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/carlton/news/2016-02-16/squad-named-for-nab-challenge-opener
(http://Number Name
3 Marc Murphy (C)
4 Bryce Gibbs
6 Kade Simpson
8 Matthew Kreuzer
10 Harry McKay
11 Sam Kerridge
12 Blaine Boekhorst
13 Jed Lamb
14 Liam Jones
15 Sam Docherty
17 Sam Rowe
22 Jason Tutt
23 Jacob Weitering
24 Mark Whiley
30 Charlie Curnow
31 Matthew Dick
32 Nick Graham
33 Andrejs Everitt
34 Andrew Phillips
35 Ed Curnow
37 Daniel Gorringe
38 Ciaran Byrne
39 Dale Thomas
40 Michael Jamison
41 Levi Casboult
42 Zach Tuohy
43 Simon White
45 Andrew Gallucci
46 Matthew Wright)
looks like there is a weekly option Cookie?
Really FB, where is that available? The AFL app on my tablet only shows monthly and yearly available from Googleplay.
No Cripps , No Walker but plenty to see.....
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/carlton/news/2016-02-16/squad-named-for-nab-challenge-opener
(http://Number Name
3 Marc Murphy (C)
4 Bryce Gibbs
6 Kade Simpson
8 Matthew Kreuzer
10 Harry McKay
11 Sam Kerridge
12 Blaine Boekhorst
13 Jed Lamb
14 Liam Jones
15 Sam Docherty
17 Sam Rowe
22 Jason Tutt
23 Jacob Weitering
24 Mark Whiley
30 Charlie Curnow
31 Matthew Dick
32 Nick Graham
33 Andrejs Everitt
34 Andrew Phillips
35 Ed Curnow
37 Daniel Gorringe
38 Ciaran Byrne
39 Dale Thomas
40 Michael Jamison
41 Levi Casboult
42 Zach Tuohy
43 Simon White
45 Andrew Gallucci
46 Matthew Wright)
no Clem!
Really FB, where is that available? The AFL app on my tablet only shows monthly and yearly available from Googleplay.
https://id.afl.com.au/livepass (https://id.afl.com.au/livepass)
weekly pass 4.99
Really FB, where is that available? The AFL app on my tablet only shows monthly and yearly available from Googleplay.
On the AFL.COM.AU there is a weekly option $4.99.
But it may be worth checking if you are a Telstra Mobile customer, some games may be available free on your phone.
@LP and FB
Thanks guys. I will have to look into that later on. (The site is now insisting that I log in via Telstra and my old AFL log on doesn't seem to work any longer. Looks like being a frustrating exercise - telstra's site security looks like it is crapzenhausen - long story!)
PS. Now done!
no Clem!
Or Cripps, or Cunningham, Walker, Armfield or Gussy Sheehan.
From the 29 named, I'm guessing they will drop Murph (Give him an extra couple of weeks to get his body right), MacKay and....... and......
and..... there's no obvious 3rd person to drop for me !!
Do we really want Thomas to play?
Paid the most so should be wrapped up in cotton wool. :o
Especially against the Dawks as they will be out to keep us in our place ::)
Only pre season I know but it would be nice to knock them off or at least match them physically. I would like to see a small dust up with our players flying the flag and stand in unity in NUMBERS. >:(
Or Cripps, or Cunningham, Walker, Armfield or Gussy Sheehan.
From the 29 named, I'm guessing they will drop Murph (Give him an extra couple of weeks to get his body right), MacKay and....... and......
and..... there's no obvious 3rd person to drop for me !!
Kreuzer?
We won't go in with Casboult, Jones, Phillips, Gorringe, McKay and Kreuzer.
Kreuzer?
We won't go in with Casboult, Jones, Phillips, Gorringe, McKay and Kreuzer.
Maybe, although according to Gorringe, he has been training in the role of a half forward flanker (similar to Everitt), which leaves Jones and Casboult as the key forwards and Kreuzer and Phillips as the 2 rucks.
Maybe they could all play together!
Maybe, although according to Gorringe, he has been training in the role of a half forward flanker (similar to Everitt), which leaves Jones and Casboult as the key forwards and Kreuzer and Phillips as the 2 rucks.
Maybe they could all play together!
That would stretch Hawthorn's defence but they could hurt us with run off halfback.
Gorringe would be an enormous half forward flanker :o
We are loading up on kids and Hawthorn are naming more than half their GF side!
The Dawkthorn intent is obvious and simple, hurt the opposition kids and leave them intimidated by Hawthorn for the rest of their career! At least we have Bolton there to word them up!
In 2015 NAB Hawthorn played nobodies against Collingwood and Norp, then loaded up on seniors to play The Aints newborns as well. This is classic Angry Ant mentality, once the opposition are down you don't stop kicking them!
What's the bet that at least one of our Young-Uns comes away from this game with a LTI Knee or Shoulder injury as a result of a heavy tackle from a senior Hawthorn opponent.
We are loading up on kids and Hawthorn are naming more than half their GF side!
The Dawkthorn intent is obvious and simple, hurt the opposition kids and leave them intimidated by Hawthorn for the rest of their career! At least we have Bolton there to word them up!
In 2015 NAB Hawthorn played nobodies against Collingwood and Norp, then loaded up on seniors to play The Aints newborns as well. This is classic Angry Ant mentality, once the opposition are down you don't stop kicking them!
What's the bet that at least one of our Young-Uns comes away from this game with a LTI Knee or Shoulder injury as a result of a heavy tackle from a senior Hawthorn opponent.
I reckon Bolton will have a plan in place to ensure that any intimidation is met with at least equal force.
We are loading up on kids and Hawthorn are naming more than half their GF side!
Apart from Weitering, McKay and Curnow who are these kids we are loading up on?
Weitering and McKay are very well built and Curnow seems a pretty tough animal.
We are loading up on kids and Hawthorn are naming more than half their GF side!
The Dawkthorn intent is obvious and simple, hurt the opposition kids and leave them intimidated by Hawthorn for the rest of their career! At least we have Bolton there to word them up!
In 2015 NAB Hawthorn played nobodies against Collingwood and Norp, then loaded up on seniors to play The Aints newborns as well. This is classic Angry Ant mentality, once the opposition are down you don't stop kicking them!
What's the bet that at least one of our Young-Uns comes away from this game with a LTI Knee or Shoulder injury as a result of a heavy tackle from a senior Hawthorn opponent.
how dare you attack a teams of great blokes like that? What would Hodgey think?
We are loading up on kids and Hawthorn are naming more than half their GF side!
The Dawkthorn intent is obvious and simple, hurt the opposition kids and leave them intimidated by Hawthorn for the rest of their career! At least we have Bolton there to word them up!
In 2015 NAB Hawthorn played nobodies against Collingwood and Norp, then loaded up on seniors to play The Aints newborns as well. This is classic Angry Ant mentality, once the opposition are down you don't stop kicking them!
What's the bet that at least one of our Young-Uns comes away from this game with a LTI Knee or Shoulder injury as a result of a heavy tackle from a senior Hawthorn opponent.
I think there NAB Cup Campaign probably works ok...
Great you're predicting LTI, tool !
Great you're predicting LTI, tool !
We've a history of ruining low draft picks by rushing them in, why wouldn't I worry?
We've a history of ruining low draft picks by rushing them in, why wouldn't I worry?
You must a drag to hang out with LP....such supreme pessimism! :o
You must a drag to hang out with LP....such supreme pessimism! :o
Doesn't base it on facts either.
You must a drag to hang out with LP....such supreme pessimism! :o
You shouldn't ignore history, Clarkson hasn't, he knows that to stay at the top you have to be brutal with your challengers!
Why give him the opportunity?
We are offering Agamemnon the chance to kill Achilles while he is still a baby!
While the AFL have come out and condemned tackling to hurt, claiming it's on the way out. It won't stop a club like Hawthorn rolling forward like the evil hoard. This is no different to the Murphy situation when he faced the Lions while at their peak.
There is a world of difference between LTIs that are the result of accidents, and LTIs that are the result of bastard acts!
Hodge never meant to jam someones head between his shoulder and the post, Mitchell never meant to bury his kneecap into someones thigh, Hodge never meant to bury his kneecap into someones kidney, Gibson never meant to punch someone in the back of the head, Lewis and Franklin never meant to bury someones forehead into the Etihad turf. As a club they sure are lucky with the never meants!
They are the standard LP... They have senior players who also need to play Pre-season and we need to be tougher, harder and smarter.
I don't see the argument. You want them to play 0 premiership players? i'm not sure they would field a side.
We have to get better and worry about our own backyard.
They are the standard LP... They have senior players who also need to play Pre-season and we need to be tougher, harder and smarter.
I don't see the argument. You want them to play 0 premiership players? i'm not sure they would field a side.
We have to get better and worry about our own backyard.
That is the point, we hear talk that these kids are going to take some time, yet it looks like we are lining them up against the beAst in their first ever game! All I can think of is if it is a deliberate test to see if the kids are any good, and that worries me about our selection process. These kids will get plenty of opportunity to play against the beAst in their career, why not wait until they are a little more seasoned!
I want some return on investment long term!
I don't see how allowing the likes of Hodge or Lewis to "Bugger our Talent" helps things! We are not talking about playing against the typical average AFL player, we are talking about lining up on the competitions A Grade Bastards who won't hesitate to send Bolton and the other defectors a message!
It comes across to me like it's another Murphy or Kreuzer situation. Perhaps it is all about membership and not so much about player development.
Anyway it's not my decision, I can only express a concern.
The kids will be fine - Hawthorn will play at about 75% intensity.
That is the point, we hear talk that these kids are going to take some time, yet it looks like we are lining them up against the beAst in their first ever game! All I can think of is if it is a deliberate test to see if the kids are any good, and that worries me about our selection process. These kids will get plenty of opportunity to play against the beAst in their career, why not wait until they are a little more seasoned!
I want some return on investment long term!
I don't see how allowing the likes of Hodge or Lewis to "Bugger our Talent" helps things! We are not talking about playing against the typical average AFL player, we are talking about lining up on the competitions A Grade Bastards who won't hesitate to send Bolton and the other defectors a message!
It comes across to me like it's another Murphy or Kreuzer situation. Perhaps it is all about membership and not so much about player development.
Anyway it's not my decision, I can only express a concern.
There are only three "kids" in our squad and the extended bench and unlimited rotations will mean that they can be eased into the game.
I think it's a perfect introduction to AFL; up against the best in the business but at not quite full intensity. With the possible exception of Silvagni, I'd like to see all of our draft picks and rookies get a few NAB games under their belts.
I wouldn't have minded seeing Korchek get a run in Tassie but I'm sure he'll get a chance soon.
EDIT: It's actually 4 first years with rookie Gallucci joining Weitering, Charlie Curnow and McKay.
Here's a preview of our NAB line up by Howard Kotton. It's a bit light on but, at this time of the year, I'll take anything:
What’s new: Brendon Bolton has brought a fresh outlook, preaching a unified approach. The Blues are much fitter than they were at this stage last season. There are 15 new players on the list and the coach says the NAB Challenge is an ideal opportunity to build chemistry and work on the game-plan.
Bolters: Bolton has been particularly impressed with Jacob Weitering and Charlie Curnow and they are likely to play first-up. Weitering has slotted in well and will fill a role in defence and Curnow can play in the midfield or up forward. Ruckmen Andrew Phillips and Daniel Gorringe may be given game time.
Who’s back: Dale Thomas, whose 2015 season was ruined by a shoulder injury, has enjoyed a solid pre-season. Bryce Gibbs and Andrew Walker, who were also curtailed by injury, are moving well on the track and ready to atone for last year.
Wildcard: Back in the leadership group, swingman Walker is likely to return to attack, where he led the goalkicking in 2011.
Missing: Skipper Marc Murphy is on track for the premiership season opener against Richmond after follow-up surgery to repair his left shoulder. He has been named in the squad to meet Hawthorn but won't play. Lachie Plowman (hip) and Dennis Armfield (arm) are also missing.
Fantasy watch: Former Crow Matthew Wright (FWD/MID, $309.000) averaged a solid 80.3 in Fantasy in 2014 and is likely to play plenty of midfield minutes as the Blues add backbone to their young list.
The kids will be fine - Hawthorn will play at about 75% intensity.
yeah cant see the senior guys wanting to tear a pec or smash a shoulder just for NAB glory.
The kids will be fine - Hawthorn will play at about 75% intensity.
Agree..I'd go about 50%, they will pacing themselves and couldnt care less about the result IMO, their squad has a lot of kids in it too and
I dont think we have to much to fear physically at this time of the year....I'd be more worried playing scrubbers like Brisbane with numpties like Robbo trying to be over zealous and someone
like Cripps getting injured...
yeah cant see the senior guys wanting to tear a pec or smash a shoulder just for NAB glory.
It has nothing to do with NAB Cup and that the whole point, it's about stamping authority on an opponent for the future, it's called intimidation!
I reckon the Hawks will go hard but I don't know what the fudge LP is banging on about when it comes to kids.
It's 3 well developed young players with unlimited rotations and 25 people on the bench.
We're not playing 10 kids, the three that are playing are surrounded by mature bodies.
Hawks have named a surprisingly strong team... from their best team they've probably only left out 6:
(although squad will be trimmed by 3)
Roughead
Burgoyne
Frawley
Gunston
Shiels
Rioli
Their squad looks a lot thinner with the retirements and Roughead injury. Particularly in the big man dept. An injury to Gunston at this point could derail their season.
A Shoenmakers / Fitzpatrick / Ceglar forward line doesn't quite have the same ring as Roughead / Franklin / Gunston.
You could argue - with no Rioli and Roughhead - that their F50 line up is worse than ours!
You could argue - with no Rioli and Roughhead - that their F50 line up is worse than ours!
No Frawley on top of Lake's retirement makes them very vulnerable down back.
No Frawley on top of Lake's retirement makes them very vulnerable down back.
Moreover, Gibson only stands 189cm.
Crippa 5cm taller. Levi 10cm taller + 10kg!
How they got to the end of last year with ZERO injuries I will never understand. Half their team pushing 30!
We're not playing 10 kids, the three that are playing are surrounded by mature bodies.
The very same mature bodies that looked after Judd and Murphy over the last few years! ;)
How they got to the end of last year with ZERO injuries I will never understand. Half their team pushing 30!
Are you inferring or referring to some Juice?
The very same mature bodies that looked after Judd and Murphy over the last few years! ;)
That's a mindset issue, not a 'tough' issue......
That's a mindset issue, not a 'tough' issue......
God help them if you are expecting the like of Everitt or Gibbs to stand up and defend the newbies! The players with the most go are Jamison and White, White especially. Docherty is not backwards in coming forward but he's hardly threatening, Roughead's chin is more intimidating!
I hope Rowe takes a step in the enforcer direction this year, also I hope Gorringe who may have some anger issues can get the mix right!
Cripps can look after himself and others, but I don't want him making himself a target for umpires early in his career. I'd rather he does like Kreuzer and hurt them with his attack on the ball / ball carrier!
God help them if you are expecting the like of Everitt or Gibbs to stand up and defend the newbies! The players with the most go are Jamison and White, White especially. Docherty is not backwards in coming forward but he's hardly threatening, Roughead's chin is more intimidating!
I hope Rowe takes a step in the enforcer direction this year, also I hope Gorringe who may have some anger issues can get the mix right!
Did I say that (re Gibbs Everitt?).
White, Rowe, Levi, Phillips, Wright, 2E, Jamo - you really reckon Hodge/Lewis that much tougher than this lot? Please.....Hodge is a dirty, over rated sniper. Should have been suspended much much more often by any objective umpiring standard.
Moreover, Gibson only stands 189cm.
Crippa 5cm taller. Levi 10cm taller + 10kg!
Gibson belted Boekhorst for no good reason in one of the games last season and I'd be returning the favour now that Lake and a couple of others are not there...its time we showed we are united
and a real team...
Please.....Hodge is a dirty, over rated sniper. Should have been suspended much much more often by any objective umpiring standard.
Isn't that my whole point?
I'm not worried about injuries from fair contests or accidental collisions, I'm worried what a dog like Hodge might do to stamp his authority over an innocent youth! Like when he accidentally smashed Murphy "While going for the ball!"
Roughead's chin is more intimidating!
::)
Gibson belted Boekhorst for no good reason in one of the games last season and I'd be returning the favour now that Lake and a couple of others are not there...its time we showed we are united
and a real team...
x2.
I am sure Bolton would have worded the kids up, there is no game against Hawthorn that can be described a social football. Any suggestion that there is can be written of as naivety! Hawthorn's ageing enforcers will take ever opportunity to stamp their authority, mentally and physically, on ever young opponent. You can count on it!
Hallelujah! Footy's back O0
Hallelujah! Footy's back O0
Amen. Missus not happy at all!
O0 O0 :P
Hallelujah! Footy's back O0
x a million ;D
Isn't that my whole point?
I'm not worried about injuries from fair contests or accidental collisions, I'm worried what a dog like Hodge might do to stamp his authority over an innocent youth! Like when he accidentally smashed Murphy "While going for the ball!"
Hodge is a walking dog's act.
Anyway today is the day! Got such a long day at work as well grrrrr.......
Gibson is another protected species (gets more leniency than just about any other backman in the league other than 'Remora' Dawson) .... I'll shed zero tears when we he has pay the rent.
Gibson is another protected species (gets more leniency than just about any other backman in the league other than 'Remora' Dawson) .... I'll shed zero tears when we he has pay the rent.
Gibson infringes on his opponent in nearly every one on one contest and just continues to get away with it. Protected species is an understatement!
Gibson infringes on his opponent in nearly every one on one contest and just continues to get away with it. Protected species is an understatement!
Yep, would love to see Levi run through him and Hodge, in Q1.
Blues by 22.
We'll start having success when our side isn't as soft as our supporters. ;D
Well we know that Levi is willing to launch into a pack knee first, I hope that Gorringe and Phillips have the same mindset
Odds.
Hawks 1.16
Blues 5.00
5.50 if you say 1-39 points.
I'm on!
Yep, would love to see Levi run through him and Hodge, in Q1.
Blues by 22.
It's probably our best chance to beat the Hawks in some time. Their line up is relatively weak, particularly the forward line, and our team, while lacking some names is close to best 22. More importantly, Bolton will know the Hawthorn game plan and structures inside out while Clarkson won't have a clue about how Bolton will have us playing.
Blues by 23. :)
Can Gibbs rediscover his 2014 form?
http://www.aflplayerratings.com.au/Ratings/Player/111168/Bryce-GIBBS (http://www.aflplayerratings.com.au/Ratings/Player/111168/Bryce-GIBBS)
With some important Hawks missing I'm optimistic, but that's also based on believing the stuff our club has been putting over the preseason! I'm very keen to see how we go. :)
So its that time of the year again, its only NAB Challange stuff but the feelings the same. The nerves start to build, the tummy starts to tingle. Planning around the night begins. Where do I watch the game? Who will play? Who will miss? Will we unearth a star? Will will realise a horrible mistake was made? Its only praccy match stuff but its where the seeds for the season or in our case, a new beginning, are sown. All the talk and BS stops...for instant, then starts just as quick. Buckle up boys and girls, could be a bumpy ride but one thing's for sure, us Navy folk have been boxed around the ears enough over the years that we are resilient. So many false promises that we are hurt and impatient. But with all this comes another reality, the tide will change, it always does. Will our tide change start tonight? Gee I feckin hope so. We need all the positive stuff over the summer to continue to slowly build and show us there is hope and our tide has changed. Win, lose or draw, the sun will still come up tomorrow with the realisation that its only a game. But what a great game it is.
Go Blues, do us proud.
#UNITED.
So its that time of the year again, its only NAB Challange stuff but the feelings the same. The nerves start to build, the tummy starts to tingle. Planning around the night begins. Where do I watch the game? Who will play? Who will miss? Will we unearth a star? Will will realise a horrible mistake was made? Its only praccy match stuff but its where the seeds for the season or in our case, a new beginning, are sown. All the talk and BS stops...for instant, then starts just as quick. Buckle up boys and girls, could be a bumpy ride but one thing's for sure, us Navy folk have been boxed around the ears enough over the years that we are resilient. So many false promises that we are hurt and impatient. But with all this comes another reality, the tide will change, it always does. Will our tide change start tonight? Gee I feckin hope so. We need all the positive stuff over the summer to continue to slowly build and show us there is hope and our tide has changed. Win, lose or draw, the sun will still come up tomorrow with the realisation that its only a game. But what a great game it is.
Go Blues, do us proud.
#UNITED.
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you guys are diehard..
I couldn't give 2 F's about tonights game. We have a whole new gameplan and not even played an intra... I want to see some hard running in waves, some unity and the 3 big draft picks show some signs.
you guys are diehard..
I couldn't give 2 F's about tonights game. We have a whole new gameplan and not even played an intra... I want to see some hard running in waves, some unity and the 3 big draft picks show some signs.
You're hard to please ;)
If you get your wish, we'll win by 24 :)
you guys are diehard..
I couldn't give 2 F's about tonights game. We have a whole new gameplan and not even played an intra... I want to see some hard running in waves, some unity and the 3 big draft picks show some signs.
THIS
you guys are diehard..
I couldn't give 2 F's about tonights game. We have a whole new gameplan and not even played an intra... I want to see some hard running in waves, some unity and the 3 big draft picks show some signs.
I just don't want to see anyone in blue going down clutching their knee.......
Look forward to the game although these are never any sort of indication re where the team will end up in Sept, but my wish list
Casboult has confidence going for marks
Some highlights from Weitering McKay & Currnow so we are confident we have some correct choices
Intensity at the ball
Team spirit
what about you guys?
I want to see Nicky G come out fit and ripped and pick up a lazy 30 touches.
Wietering and McKay omitted .
That leaves Curnow as the only kid selected.
But LP says we're loading up on kids.
What a banana.
I want to see slow, predictable, ineffective ball movement around the boundary.
Hang on, that was last season ::)
I'm hoping to see us move the ball more positively and I'm hoping to see an effective forward structure serviced by good delivery.
Straight down the guts ;D
I want to see a 100 point a game (points for) average this year....(Just hope the opposition average isn't 150) ???
Murphy :o , Weitering and McKay out for us:
HAWTHORN
3. Jordan Lewis, 4. Billy Hartung, 5. Sam Mitchell, 6. Josh Gibson, 7. Ben McEvoy, 8. Taylor Duryea, 10. Bradley Hill, 11. Brendan Whitecross, 13. Jonathan O'Rourke, 14. Grant Birchall, 15. Luke Hodge, 16. Isaac Smith, 17. Angus Litherland, 20. Dallas Willsmore, 21. James Sicily, 22. Luke Breust, 23. Tim O'Brien, 24. Ben Stratton, 25. Ryan Schoenmakers, 28. Paul Puopolo, 30. Kaiden Brand, 31. Zac Webster, 32. Jack Fitzpatrick, 34. Kurt Heatherley, 41. Daniel Howe, 42. Teia Miles
CARLTON
4. Bryce Gibbs, 6. Kade Simpson, 8. Matthew Kreuzer, 11. Sam Kerridge, 12. Blaine Boekhorst, 13. Jed Lamb, 14. Liam Jones, 15. Sam Docherty, 17. Sam Rowe, 22. Jason Tutt, 24. Mark Whiley, 30. Charlie Curnow, 31. Matthew Dick, 32. Nick Graham, 33. Andrejs Everitt, 34. Andrew Phillips, 35. Ed Curnow, 37. Daniel Gorringe, 38. Ciaran Byrne, 39. Dale Thomas, 40. Michael Jamison, 41. Levi Casboult, 42. Zach Tuohy, 43. Simon White, 45. Andrew Gallucci, 46. Matthew Wright
Weitering and McKay out... hmmmm
I've just lost interest in this game.
Really Looking forward to what Liam Jones can do, instead of McKay...
Magnificent evening in Launny, practising a lot of handball out of defence staring centre and then coming wide sounds similar
Really Looking forward to what Liam Jones can do, instead of McKay...
I'm backing Jones :D
This will be his year.
This will be our year.....
(I love pre-season....it's all ahead of us ;).
Officially like Sam Kerridge A LOT!!!!
Officially like Sam Kerridge A LOT!!!!
A LOT...the next Patrick Cripps ;D
Phillips I like too. Uses his body well and follows up if the ball gets away.
Of the old boys...Gibbs looks in good touch early.
Not a bad first 15 minutes.
Whiley and Kerridge very active early, but our kicking isn't much better yet.
Not a bad first 15 minutes.
Dominated.... but they need to hold now
Nick Graham!
Quarter time and we lead by 7 points:
Carlton 0 - 2 - 2 - 14
Hawthorn 0 - 1 - 1 - 7
9 possessions to Whiley (!!), 7 to Kerridge with a few guys having 5.
Lots of defensive triangles set up, players running hard to man the mark and direction from Simmo and Docherty behind the ball is noticable
Really Looking forward to what Liam Jones can do, instead of McKay...
Jones a late out..? Haven't seen him... ::)
Jed Lamb goes harder than Menzel, great play Boekhurst!!!
Jed Lamb goes harder than Menzel, great play Boekhurst!!!
Outstanding....he's one to watch this year ;)
Dominating possession. But do we hit enough targets?
Sounds like there is a bit of support for Carlton at the ground.
Back to 6 points, but suspects frees (not my opinion, but I can't see anything) make a difference.
Now level and possessions evening up. Hawthorn are getting the ball now.
Hawthorn dominating the frees: 11 to 6
I'm liking Kerridge, Lamb and Phillips.
I don't know who is playing on Breust, but whoever it is needs to play a lot tighter. he is winning it for them on his own.
I'm liking Kerridge, Lamb and Phillips.
Looking good early days.
Boekhorst Whiley and Levi are also showing a bit.
I'm really struggling with my connection: not getting much action at all. But at half time we are 5 points down.
Kerridge has 13 possessions, 12 to Whiley and 11 to Docherty and Tutt.
Positive comments coming about Kreuzer, Phillips and Casboult.
Haven't seen Charlie cur now yet or Liam jones.
Phillips looks athletic but so was setanta, needs to improve timing
Boeakurst looking great, as is Gibbs and Levi. Whiley, lamb and tutt not too bad
Looking good early days.
Boekhorst Whiley and Levi are also showing a bit.
Levi is gonna have to show a lot more.... I can't see us kicking many winning scores this year.. :-[
Interesting comment from Clarkson, "Carlton showed us up with their hardness at the footy."
Huddo and Derm are smug c*%#s. Having a laugh about how we won the 2005 pre season comp and the spoon in the same year. Still want to stick the boot in rather than focus on a completely new era as professional commentators should.
Levi is gonna have to show a lot more.... I can't see us kicking many winning scores this year.. :-[
That's a bit harsh; he's taken three contested marks so far and applied great defensive pressure. The second key forward position is more of a concern.
Stats are pretty dubious: according to them Birchall hasn't had the ball yet. Yet according to SEN he's had 14 possessions.
Thomas, Wright and Everitt also listed as having no touches, yet Wright has a point and Everitt has a goal.
Huddo has gone down hill rapidly in the last few years.
Dermie was always at the bottom anyway...........
Let's face it - we've lost massive amounts of respect in the last 15 years. It will be a long way back.
Huddo and Derm are smug c*%#s. Having a laugh about how we won the 2005 pre season comp and the spoon in the same year. Still want to stick the boot in rather than focus on a completely new era as professional commentators should.
Commentary is just as bad as ever.
Huddo and Derm are smug c*%#s. Having a laugh about how we won the 2005 pre season comp and the spoon in the same year. Still want to stick the boot in rather than focus on a completely new era as professional commentators should.
I'm happy for them to focus on how bad we've been. It may drive us on.
Like the look of Kerridge, getting plenty, is making some clangers but just getting the ball is 80% of it.
Free kicks are already bullsh1t, the Dawks defenders shepherd 30m off the ball and get a free kick for doing it!
17 frees to Hawthorn
7 to Carlton - as I write we get a free and a huge bronx cheer.
They have kicked the last 5 goals.
The umpiring isn't any easier to follow ???
Sam Rowe has been solid
That's a bit harsh; he's taken three contested marks so far and applied great defensive pressure. The second key forward position is more of a concern.
He's having a go, I have problem with his effort.... I just cant see him ( or anyone else ) kicking a lot of goals. It worries me.
He's having a go, I have problem with his effort.... I just cant see him ( or anyone else ) kicking a lot of goals. It worries me.
Yep, we still don't look dangerous in the F50.
Kerridge disposal sloppy?
Charlie Curnow doesn't hold back and Byrne has a dip.
There's certainly a bit for Bolton to work with.
Kerridge disposal sloppy?
Most of them have been under pressure...he's right in the thick of it and being the first game he's probably a bit rusty.
I think he'll be an asset.
We are struggling to get the ball forward. Hawthorn are controlling the play, much to my irritation.
Not quite sure what we can do to stop the rot. Their 'stars' are getting too much of the ball. And they get 3 frees to every 1 we get. The commentators on SEN have not been impressed.
Really disappointing quarter to be honest. The Hawks cranked it up a fraction and we showed nothing to counter it. I know it's NAB cup but I would have liked to see something different. Yep no Cripps, Murph etc but it felt too familiar. Would love to be surprised in the last quarter.
its a faster kind of sloppiness
Kerridge disposal sloppy?
Yep.
Liam Jones must have had some angry pills :)
Liam Jones must have had some angry pills :)
He's had more pills than kicks unfortunately.
Is Liam Jones more aggressive with his attack on the ball and player??? No a lot of kicks , but more aggressive.
Is Liam Jones more aggressive with his attack on the ball and player??? No a lot of kicks , but more aggressive.
He did that in rd 1 last year then went MIA.
He did that in rd 1 last year then went MIA.
Ummmmmmm.
Very happy with Kerridge.
Curnow looked more likely than Jones, although I did like a couple of the latter's tackles.
About 5 'walk ups' missing??
Kerridge and Wright from the Crows showed they will play plenty of senior footy, Nick Graham I thought was handy and made some good tackles.
Not much system up forward but I guess with plenty of rotations and both teams crowding the backlines it was to be expected..
Hawks cleaner with the footy and kicking by foot better was probably the difference, they did just enough to win and I guess thats how i thought it would go...
re: Jones....as Jack Dyer used to say he gets where the ball aint too much and flys for marks that he has no hope of taking......plenty of athletic ability but zero nous...
Major problem for us will be kicking goals with only Casboult looking like he can take a mark down forward...
Sloppy game by both teams. Bolts now has a better idea of what he's working with. Kerridge, Graham and Levi were all fairly solid. A lot of work ahead though.
pfft
Done and dusted, yet we were not embarrassed. But our forward issues appear significant.
Gonna be a long year.
Jones sucks
Good to see us play again, I was looking forward to the new look Blues.
Some positives:
Jamison, Kreuzer and Thomas all look very fit which is very good to see at this time of year.
I like Kerridge a lot, he handles the ball cleanly and absolutely busts a gut, his third and fourth efforts in the last few minutes when the game was lost were outstanding.
Our better players all look to be going OK but we are desperately short of a small forward or two and our key positions remain weak.
Sadly the longer the game went the more ragged our skills became, once again our skills will be our achilles heel.
At least we seem to be a cohesive unit but I can't see us finishing out of the bottom four on tonight's showing, surely the Liam Jones experiment is over.
Kerridge and Wright from the Crows showed they will play plenty of senior footy, Nick Graham I thought was handy and made some good tackles.
Not much system up forward but I guess with plenty of rotations and both teams crowding the backlines it was to be expected..
Hawks cleaner with the footy and kicking by foot better was probably the difference, they did just enough to win and I guess thats how i thought it would go...
re: Jones....as Jack Dyer used to say he gets where the ball aint too much and flys for marks that he has no hope of taking......plenty of athletic ability but zero nous...
Major problem for us will be kicking goals with only Casboult looking like he can take a mark down forward...
I liked Jones' tackling but he never really looked like taking a mark. What happened to Gorringe?
I reckon Bolton has a lot to work with but there's also a lot of work to do. At worst we'll manage 6-8 wins if we can consistently play as we did in the first half.
Done and dusted, yet we were not embarrassed. But our forward issues appear significant.
jones, Curnow x2 and Casboult all dropped easy marks in the last.
Apart from F50 I thought we did show more purpose and that we are trying to play to a plan which reflected in the boys knowing what options were available and keeping the flow going. Big contrast IMO to the dithering and uncertainty of last year. We are without doubt still a bit rough around the edges skill-wise and this shows up against a well-oiled machine like the Hawks. We must persist and I think things will get better - we showed good spirit, contested very well and kept on fighting it out.
Kerridge definitely looks like he'll be valuable for us and Boeky showed more glimpses of what he might become, just to mention a couple. Graham looks handy too, as I expected.
Early days but we must improve our F50 play especially, that's where we are still falling down, failing to score and turning the ball over.
We're pretty much where I was expecting to be tbh.
Liam Jones will only play a game this year if the bubonic plague spreads through the club. Yeah, laid two gold tackles, but fug me his attempts at marks were unspeakably bad.
Thought Thomas was great. Loved Bolts marking and attack on the ball. Kerridge is a great get, even if his disposal is a bit rubbish at times. Doherty was good. Jamison was good. Rowe had moments - good and bad. White does nothing for me. Nicky Graham needs to play round one. So does Wright who may not be a superstar but has footy smarts.
Overall quite happy. Our delivery killed us - as it did last year - but it was a nice to see a system of attack and ball use that didn't involve hugging the boundary or stopping for ten minutes to think who to give the ball too. My concern is that we will run like heck in the first half, miss opportunities and then tire out only to be overrun in the second half.
Still, I can see what Bolton is doing and at the moment I'm happy.
Very small ground / windy day type of game. Cripps would have loved it.
Wright was excellent.
Would not trade Kerridge back for Menzel in a million years. How did Adelaide give him up? He played the game Gibbs should have.
Gibbs....
So depressing yet again watching him just go through the motions against a serious opponent. Nice in patches but could not impact the game. The problem is when he's just ok - his opponent in Lewis/Mitchell is cutting us up. He needs to have the equivalent impact the other way.
He should be in his prime leading the team - pushing for Brownlow medals. Instead he's still found wanting against the better teams.
Lamb looked really good but then vanished.
Liam Jones....
I know it's a soft target and it's already been said but HOLY - freeking - MOLY this guy is bad. Just a collection of particles that has no business being anywhere near a football ground. Wouldn't get a kick for Keilor seconds.
Phillips was sloppy and missed a lot of opportunities. Gorringe - did he get injured?
Graham / Tutt / Everitt / Boekhorst were all good but very hard to get carried away.
At worst we'll manage 6-8 wins if we can consistently play as we did in the first half.
If we win 8 games I'll be over the moon, I'm more confident of a few wins since The Bumblers imploded but we'll struggle to beat anyone else.
Add Cripps, Walker, Murphy, Weitering and Buckley back in and we'll be a lot better than that.
So much depends on Plowman, Jaksch, Sumner, Gorringe, Lamb, Whiley, Boekhorst, Tutt, Graham, etc. producing the sort of season that Cripps did last year.
We need these guys to become not just solid players but elite.
If some can 8 wins will be achievable.
What did I take out of the game...?
The gulf in umpiring decisions. frig me the number bull decisions that always went the Dawks way was embarrassing. Tiggy touchwood stuff. Disliked umpires
Very small ground / windy day type of game.
Ground is actually the same size as the MCG, it's bigger but they bring the boundary in further.
1st quarter the boys looked sharp, the defensive set up behind the ball looked like a basketball zone, triangles every where and we were sending 2 players to the contest and tackling hard, Kerridge and Lamb doing a lot of grunt work both on and off the ball. Rowe basically played the Jason Cloe mop up game and got some easy ball thanks to the body work of others further up the field, there was a real team defensive structure, something that I've not see with Carlton before. I looked at at the coaches box, we were just in front and saw that their monitors had ABC2 on them playing Spicks & Specks.
Then the umpires basically started to ruin the game, a 50m that was barely there the free that White gave away for holding 30m out from goal he was held first and the small frees that they paid in Hawthorns favour was embarrassing. The large Carlton crowd I was in were going off their heads. 2nd & 3rd quarter the umpiring was disgraceful. Hawthorn players particularly Gibson were holding the arms of Carlton player going for the mark, if you noticed Kruezer, Jamison and Casboult all failing to get to the contest that was the reason.
Boekhursts run bounce and evade, then deliver was simply beatuiful to watch, he looked really confident out there and did some gut running both ways with no reward.
Graham does nice things but he stays off the play too much, if he's going to be a Mitchell type player then he needs to get around the ball more rather than try and make space.
Kerrdige is a hard man, sure his disposal is not silver service but he busts his ass our there to the point of exhaustion.
Lamb was another who surprised with his forward pressure, I think he was kept off in the second half to give others a longer run.
Whiley did some nice things but gets caught too often but got first use a lot early.
Tutt still scared
Jones runs quick and straight but that's it laid a lovely tackle in the last that bought the crowd to life, but was very poor apart from that.
Phillips meh. A plodder nothing more.
Gorringe played CHF early and took his man away from space which allowed moves made by Casboult and Everitt to have a use, he still went to a dangerous spot on the field but it was far enough away from the others not to allow a third man up. When he went off teh spacing up forward was all wrong and we didn't look like kicking a score.
Daisy looked slow, although did some smart things when he had the ball.
C.Curnow had Gibson who put him into the ground when ever he could, he actually kneed his head into the ground straight in front of goal but of course the umps didn't see it (surprise) and Charlie came up bent over holding his head for the next couple of minutes.
Considering who we had out and the crap umpiring, I'm not discouraged, the effort was there there was a major change to the play and a lesser team may have been beaten by the set the players were trying to perform. Hawthorn with their team boast a starting midfield were simply a class above, but the gap didn't seem as huge as last time we played them, and yes I know it's pre season.
Weitering rolled an ankle during the week. Right decision not to risk him.
What did I take out of the game...?
The gulf in umpiring decisions. frig me the number bull decisions that always went the Dawks way was embarrassing. Tiggy touchwood stuff. Disliked umpires
Absolutely agree - umpires were officious turds who overwhelmingly favoured the Hawks (don't know theraw numbers). Any frees we got seemed to be mainly in "safe" positions for the Hawk, as opposed to those given against us. Still, onward and upward boys!
Umpiring hurt us. I don't reckon the result would have differed but it certainly was costly.
Jones was terrible. Aggressive but terrible. I thought Thomas looked alright, except at one point choosing to try and knock Mitchell out of a contest instead of getting the ball himself which cost us a goal.
Cas was pretty good. Dropped a few and also looked for a lot of short passes. We ha balled a lot. Maybe too much and still too many bombs into F50. But I like the fast style of play. Everyone seemed to know where they were supposed to be. I think all in all it was a good night for us.
Where I was sitting Murph, Weitering and McKay were about 6 seats away. Murph was taking pics with fans ALL game. The young guys were signing gear and getting in pics too.
Two rows in front of them were Trigg, LoGiudice and SOS. Lots of fans were speaking with The Pres in the breaks. He seemed very receptive. Thanking fans for their support and and also thanking the for coming to chat with him. I also liked that he was asking their names.
I also must point out that the Carlton cheers were much louder than the Hawks. Tassie Hawks my ar5e!!
Absolutely agree - umpires were officious turds who overwhelmingly favoured the Hawks (don't know theraw numbers). Any frees we got seemed to be mainly in "safe" positions for the Hawk, as opposed to those given against us. Still, onward and upward boys!
Agreed - that whole period during the 2nd and 3rd quarter - what was going on there? They must have had 10 in a row.
Why is it always like that against Hawthorn? They seem to never cop a bad decision against them.
They got at least 4 goals from bullsheet decisions - us none.
This might sound strange but I actually think our guys were really nervous and hyped to start the match.
An adrenalin high when added to the first game these guys have played in 5 months, I'm not surprised we fell away halfway through the second. If we are doing that in round 3 I'll be worried .
Contrast the Hawks who were pretty casual starting out and just worked themselves into the game.
We will get better.
...and we used half the rotations the Hawks did which wouldn't help.
I've been wanting the Blues to be more desperate & physical for many years and after one game with Bolton at the helm, there is no doubt in my mind that we may not win a heap of games but we sure as hell will make the opposition earn it now.
Thanks for the reports Raydan and Meddy43, interesting comment about Gorringe Raydan, you don't notice that sort of thing so much on the telly.
Kerridge was the obvious stand out from the game, lock him in for round 1.
Gallucci, Jones, Byrne and C Curnow only played the 2nd half.
I don't remember seeing Gorringe, Whiley and maybe a couple of others after half time.
Rowe was beaten a couple of times, but must have taken 4 intercept marks, and thought he played a good game.
Jammo spoiled well, the free against White was a complete joke.
Mitchells goal was due to terrible manning up by Daisy, who I hardly noticed. I was surprised to see he had 20+ touches. I thought Gibbs was quiet too.
Boekhurst had his dancing shoes on, and Everitt worked hard to get on the end of the kick, to mark and goal.
I did see unity, I did see a game plan although not always well executed. We did apply pressure, but thought we were still out done in this area by the Hawks. Too often we didn't take 1st option, and got caught with the ball.
No injuries is a real plus.
Over all, I was happy with what I saw. There is still plenty to work on, but I think, while I doubt we will win the flag this year, we might just be able to surprise a few teams.
Re Casboult, I'm pretty sure that he has had a significantly restricted pre-season, which in that case I think he had a fair go...dropped marks and all.
I guess we still get to see a squad with Weitering, Mackay, Cunningham to whet our appetites. Add to that Crippa, Murph, Walks, Bucks, Army and even Jaksch.
I know it's hard to fit him in with weitering in his first game but I wouldn't mind seeing Glass-Mckasker getting a run during the pre season.
I didn't see the game, so thanks to Raydan and others for the report and updates.
Just having a quick look at the stats - we won the clearances, contested possessions and hit outs. Lost the Inside 50's by 2. Lost the disposals, free kicks and tackles by larger margins.
It's open to discussion whether Hawthorn were cruising or putting in real effort, and when you consider that Bolton deliberately limited our rotations to test the players endurance, I guess the result isn't too bad. Kinda...........
We lost the game because we had no forwards.
Simple as that.
(and the rotation thingy ;))
Ground is actually the same size as the MCG, it's bigger but they bring the boundary in further.
1st quarter the boys looked sharp, the defensive set up behind the ball looked like a basketball zone, triangles every where and we were sending 2 players to the contest and tackling hard, Kerridge and Lamb doing a lot of grunt work both on and off the ball. Rowe basically played the Jason Cloe mop up game and got some easy ball thanks to the body work of others further up the field, there was a real team defensive structure, something that I've not see with Carlton before. I looked at at the coaches box, we were just in front and saw that their monitors had ABC2 on them playing Spicks & Specks. Amen
Then the umpires basically started to ruin the game, a 50m that was barely there the free that White gave away for holding 30m out from goal he was held first and the small frees that they paid in Hawthorns favour was embarrassing. The large Carlton crowd I was in were going off their heads. 2nd & 3rd quarter the umpiring was disgraceful. Hawthorn players particularly Gibson were holding the arms of Carlton player going for the mark, if you noticed Kruezer, Jamison and Casboult all failing to get to the contest that was the reason. One sided affair umpiring wise, looked shocking on the telly
Boekhursts run bounce and evade, then deliver was simply beatuiful to watch, he looked really confident out there and did some gut running both ways with no reward. He looked grouse, he should only improve on that
Graham does nice things but he stays off the play too much, if he's going to be a Mitchell type player then he needs to get around the ball more rather than try and make space. Big fan of Nicky G, not perfect but plays with a bit of ticker
Kerrdige is a hard man, sure his disposal is not silver service but he busts his ass our there to the point of exhaustion. There was movement at the station watching him play, great recruiting move, had something to prove and he did that well.
Lamb was another who surprised with his forward pressure, I think he was kept off in the second half to give others a longer run. Has mongrel and had some crappy frees paid against him, already showed more heart than Menzel and Yarran. Tick.
Whiley did some nice things but gets caught too often but got first use a lot early. Encouraging signs, might be used as a tagger that finds his own footy. Wasnt displeased and isnt a softy, something we've had in spades previously.
Tutt still scared But hes quick, something that we need imo. Will probably still play 10+ games
Jones runs quick and straight but that's it laid a lovely tackle in the last that bought the crowd to life, but was very poor apart from that. this
Phillips meh. A plodder nothing more. Has a great leap and showed a fair bit of mongrel and wasnt afraid to push the hawks around from what i saw on the telly, something to work with hopefully.
Gorringe played CHF early and took his man away from space which allowed moves made by Casboult and Everitt to have a use, he still went to a dangerous spot on the field but it was far enough away from the others not to allow a third man up. When he went off teh spacing up forward was all wrong and we didn't look like kicking a score. Looks like a bigger version of Everitt, hope he makes it
Daisy looked slow, although did some smart things when he had the ball. I thought he looked as good as he has since he came to us, 6kgs lighter, quicker, ran harder, more penetration in his kicking. 20 touches and decent enough efficiency, tick from me but given he's our highest paid player id like to see him average 20+ touches a game and kick 20 goals unless he plays predominantly back.
C.Curnow had Gibson who put him into the ground when ever he could, he actually kneed his head into the ground straight in front of goal but of course the umps didn't see it (surprise) and Charlie came up bent over holding his head for the next couple of minutes. Gibsons a dog with funny elf ears and his face scares children
Considering who we had out and the crap umpiring, I'm not discouraged, the effort was there there was a major change to the play and a lesser team may have been beaten by the set the players were trying to perform. Hawthorn with their team boast a starting midfield were simply a class above, but the gap didn't seem as huge as last time we played them, and yes I know it's pre season. I concur, thanks for your insight Ray, much appreciated
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Didn't see a lot of it but I saw a batch of really, really bad umpiring decisions which certainly allowed the Dawks back into the game....
After that, they got into their d that was keeping off style of play and that was largely that.....
Still Kerridge sounds like a gem, Boekhurst looks like he's now 'ready' and Lamb showed a fair bit (from your reports). All three should be close to regular 22 starters in the full season?
I guess Lamb competes with Smith for the small forward spot (or Sumner too)?
Gibbs going through the motions - who cares as long as he turns up for Rd 1? Daisy went ok? Special K anyone?
The Irish lads?
Plenty to like me thinks but i'd be giving McKay some decent game time the next few games. Likewise, Jaksch up forward worth a go......sounds like Jones hasn't changed.....
With the names that were out, plenty to like i reckon. After all, win the midfield battle, win the game.
Add Crippa and Smurf in the guts the outcome likely a lot different even if the Hawks are the 'benchmark'.
The umpiring remains a concern - is it anti CFC or pro HFC - or both?
Really liked Bolts post-match presser, no spin, no bullsh1t, no excuses, told it like it is!
Weitering rolled an ankle during the week. Right decision not to risk him.
how badly?
...and we used half the rotations the Hawks did which wouldn't help.
I thought our guys looked stuffed in the 2nd half, makes sense now.
I thought our guys looked stuffed in the 2nd half, makes sense now.
Yep - this fact was probably the most significant stat of the match. Bolts could've easily seen the game slipping away & increased the rotations, but nope - he had a pre-game plan & he stuck with it.....I like his resolve, it's only pre-season & he clearly has a tactical agenda which he is going to stick with no matter what. We had one bad quarter, one less scoring shot & I would've liked to see Mitchell shut down (he's not un-taggble surely???), the major negative would be that we allowed Hawthorn too much uncontested footy - which is their bread 'n butter, but in good news we're already ahead on the Menzel-Kerridge trade :D
We lost the game because we had no forwards.
Simple as that.
Yep to this..... who's gonna kick our goals.. ??
We dominated the 1st quarter for one goal... 4 goals for the game........ :-[
Reckon Whiley's dad could be this infamous 'actor' from the 70s and 80s who some of you may recognize lol
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f0/John_Holmes_pornographic_actor.jpg)
Yep to this..... who's gonna kick our goals.. ??
We dominated the 1st quarter for one goal... 4 goals for the game........ :-[
Therein lies some of our problems, maybe even most of them.
IF (and it is a big 'IF') we can get some decent ball from the centre, then our forwards have a chance. They appear to have more system in them already (from the little I could tell - I'll be able to judge better next time when we play at Carlton), but we don't yet have the synergy between the talls and the smalls, especially when the ball needs to be crumbed. Having Walker will help, as it makes our forward line more dangerous. He can do it in the air and on the ground.
Spent the whole 1st qtr trying to get my AFL Live app to work, thanks Telstra/AFL ya prix. 2nd, 3rd 4th qtrs to me are best described as someone else has already said, "fast rubbish" from both teams. Both were rusty and needed the hit out. Both were trying new things without trying to give too much away, glimpses only. I noted a few times we tried the "last minute lob to the hot spot". When someone was having a set shot, they lobbed it short to a fwd trying to catch his defender out. Didnt work on every occasion as the execution wasnt perfect as it needs to be, A+ for trying though. It was interesting that BB forced them to only use 78 rotations. This is good strategy I reckon, hurt them now, reap the benefits when the heat is really on. Overall a good effort, I liked what I saw. I think they will try lots of players through the NAB, stupid Stevo siad on CH7 last night that SOS will play next week against ESS and PP. I have a function there so I will get a close up look at them for the first time.
Go Blues
Nothing much has changed, we were well beaten and most of our supporters are bitching about the umpires.
We missed four or five straight forward shots on goal, handballed over our team mates' head or wide of them and continually missed targets by foot, in short it was the same story of the last few years with some different faces.
And we still have no forwards to speak of, four goals from stacks of inside 50's won't win too many games of football.
Five or six wins tops is my best guess, assuming two against Essendon, we just don't have the cattle.
Very small ground / windy day type of game. Cripps would have loved it.
Wright was excellent.
Would not trade Kerridge back for Menzel in a million years. How did Adelaide give him up? He played the game Gibbs should have.
Gibbs....
So depressing yet again watching him just go through the motions against a serious opponent. Nice in patches but could not impact the game. The problem is when he's just ok - his opponent in Lewis/Mitchell is cutting us up. He needs to have the equivalent impact the other way.
He should be in his prime leading the team - pushing for Brownlow medals. Instead he's still found wanting against the better teams.
Lamb looked really good but then vanished.
Liam Jones....
I know it's a soft target and it's already been said but HOLY - freeking - MOLY this guy is bad. Just a collection of particles that has no business being anywhere near a football ground. Wouldn't get a kick for Keilor seconds.
Phillips was sloppy and missed a lot of opportunities. Gorringe - did he get injured?
Graham / Tutt / Everitt / Boekhorst were all good but very hard to get carried away.
Was scrolling through the pages waiting to see someone jump to Gibbs' defense. Delighted someone else sees the light. I watched the entire game and not for one brief moment did he "run". I would say 50% of the time he jogged, 40% just ticking the legs over, and 10% walking. It's simple with Gibbs, he simply does not care. He is a smart man from all reports and he knows exactly where he is at, and that's in a position of 100% job security. He sees football as purely a job, when any good player sees it as much, much more. He will go down as our worst ever number 1 pick, guaranteed. His only good year in 2014 proves the theory that he only wants a paycheck. Once he secured that 5 year deal he put the cue firmly in the rack. Disgusting pig.
Didn't expect to get anywhere near Hawthorn with the team we had on the park, so was happy we weren't blown away.
- Levi took some strong clunks and attacked the footy well, but also dropped some sitters too.
- The delivery inside 50 was pretty poor at times, as were our skills.-
- Our disposal efficiency and general competitiveness dropped off in the 2nd half, which p*ssed me off at the time, but since finding out we purposely had only half the interchange rotations that Hawthorn did, you can excuse some of this.
- Kerridge will be a steal. Put Cripps, Murphy and the outside silk of Cunningham alongside Kerridge, Gibbs, and Graham, and we ll be pretty competitive in the midfield all year.
- Put Plowman and Weitering in the backline instead of list cloggers like Dick, and we l instantly improve in that area too.
Was scrolling through the pages waiting to see someone jump to Gibbs' defense. Delighted someone else sees the light. I watched the entire game and not for one brief moment did he "run". I would say 50% of the time he jogged, 40% just ticking the legs over, and 10% walking. It's simple with Gibbs, he simply does not care. He is a smart man from all reports and he knows exactly where he is at, and that's in a position of 100% job security. He sees football as purely a job, when any good player sees it as much, much more. He will go down as our worst ever number 1 pick, guaranteed. His only good year in 2014 proves the theory that he only wants a paycheck. Once he secured that 5 year deal he put the cue firmly in the rack. Disgusting pig.
No need to go full tilt and risk injury in a meaningless practice match. Many Hawks players like Hodge weren't going full tilt either, but nobody is making accusations against them.
Talk about major overreaction lol.
Didn't expect to get anywhere near Hawthorn with the team we had on the park, so was happy we weren't blown away.
- Levi took some strong clunks and attacked the footy well, but also dropped some sitters too.
- The delivery inside 50 was pretty poor at times, as were our skills.-
- Our disposal efficiency and general competitiveness dropped off in the 2nd half, which p*ssed me off at the time, but since finding out we purposely had only half the interchange rotations that Hawthorn did, you can excuse some of this.
- Kerridge will be a steal. Put Cripps, Murphy and the outside silk of Cunningham alongside Kerridge, Gibbs, and Graham, and we ll be pretty competitive in the midfield all year.
- Put Plowman and Weitering in the backline instead of list cloggers like Dick, and we l instantly improve in that area too.
No need to go full tilt and risk injury in a meaningless practice match. Many Hawks players like Hodge weren't going full tilt either, but nobody is making accusations against them.
Talk about major overreaction lol.
Hahahahaha this forum is a sickness. But I'll play along. Hodge has proven himself on countless occasions. Gibbs has not. As for last night, Hodge actually played his role as a rebounding defender. He also spent less time on the field that Gibbs. Gibbs played purely mid and did not run or touch the ball. He performed his job worse than almost anyone else on the field. You must be quiet if you don't know anything about football. Or don't, I need something to laugh at as I'm not deluded like the other drug induced fanboys on this forum.
Didn't expect to get anywhere near Hawthorn with the team we had on the park, so was happy we weren't blown away.
- Levi took some strong clunks and attacked the footy well, but also dropped some sitters too.
- The delivery inside 50 was pretty poor at times, as were our skills.-
- Our disposal efficiency and general competitiveness dropped off in the 2nd half, which p*ssed me off at the time, but since finding out we purposely had only half the interchange rotations that Hawthorn did, you can excuse some of this.
- Kerridge will be a steal. Put Cripps, Murphy and the outside silk of Cunningham alongside Kerridge, Gibbs, and Graham, and we ll be pretty competitive in the midfield all year.
- Put Plowman and Weitering in the backline instead of list cloggers like Dick, and we l instantly improve in that area too.
No need to go full tilt and risk injury in a meaningless practice match. Many Hawks players like Hodge weren't going full tilt either, but nobody is making accusations against them.
Put Walker inside F50 and things will improve considerably. He's a bloody hard match up and goes all day.
Forward line something like:
HF Thomas/C. Curnow Jaksch/Gorringe/McKay Kerridge/Gibbs
FF Lamb Levi Walker
With resting rucks rolling through there too.
http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/sport/afl/former-gold-coast-suns-player-daniel-gorringe-plots-afl-career-comeback-at-carlton/news-story/79efc078491283dc0ad46aea6c422e1f (http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/sport/afl/former-gold-coast-suns-player-daniel-gorringe-plots-afl-career-comeback-at-carlton/news-story/79efc078491283dc0ad46aea6c422e1f)
Could play CHF in a Riewoldt type role?
The lifeline offered by Carlton has paid off for Gorringe who said he was clear about his role for the first time as he looked to establish himself as a half-forward.
“Coming here to Carlton has allowed me to figure that out,” he said.
Gorringe said he had found a new lease on life in Melbourne after admitting he had lost passion in the game in recent years.
Put Walker inside F50 and things will improve considerably. He's a bloody hard match up and goes all day.
Forward line something like:
HF Thomas/C. Curnow Jaksch/Gorringe/McKay Kerridge/Gibbs
FF Lamb Levi Walker
With resting rucks rolling through there too.
http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/sport/afl/former-gold-coast-suns-player-daniel-gorringe-plots-afl-career-comeback-at-carlton/news-story/79efc078491283dc0ad46aea6c422e1f (http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/sport/afl/former-gold-coast-suns-player-daniel-gorringe-plots-afl-career-comeback-at-carlton/news-story/79efc078491283dc0ad46aea6c422e1f)
Could play CHF in a Riewoldt type role?
If you think 1AW is the answer to our forward line problems, you are sick in the head.
bit angry today Spornton?
Chill fella, it's Rd 1 of the pre season comp....
Nothing much has changed, we were well beaten and most of our supporters are bitching about the umpires.
We missed four or five straight forward shots on goal, handballed over our team mates' head or wide of them and continually missed targets by foot, in short it was the same story of the last few years with some different faces.
And we still have no forwards to speak of, four goals from stacks of inside 50's won't win too many games of football.
Five or six wins tops is my best guess, assuming two against Essendon, we just don't have the cattle.
....and pop goes the bubble. Now I feel sad. :D
C.Curnow had Gibson who put him into the ground when ever he could, he actually kneed his head into the ground straight in front of goal but of course the umps didn't see it (surprise) and Charlie came up bent over holding his head for the next couple of minutes.
I think that Charlie started that little contest by ploughing Gibson's face into the turf. It will be a good learning experience for him and he'll be prepared for the next encounter.
bit angry today Spornton?
Chill fella, it's Rd 1 of the pre season comp....
According to him, we re all fanboy druggies, so what would we know
Was scrolling through the pages waiting to see someone jump to Gibbs' defense. Delighted someone else sees the light. I watched the entire game and not for one brief moment did he "run". I would say 50% of the time he jogged, 40% just ticking the legs over, and 10% walking. It's simple with Gibbs, he simply does not care. He is a smart man from all reports and he knows exactly where he is at, and that's in a position of 100% job security. He sees football as purely a job, when any good player sees it as much, much more. He will go down as our worst ever number 1 pick, guaranteed. His only good year in 2014 proves the theory that he only wants a paycheck. Once he secured that 5 year deal he put the cue firmly in the rack. Disgusting pig.
I will: 78 rotations to 135. Of course our midfielders struggled to keep up. It helps to know what the coach has mind when evaluating performances in practice matches ::)
....and pop goes the bubble. Now I feel sad. :D
Not much latitude for the fact that it was the first hit out of the season....judge them after a few rounds of the regular season.
Many hadn't even played much in 2015.....
I will: 78 rotations to 135. Of course our midfielders struggled to keep up. It helps to know what the coach has mind when evaluating performances in practice matches ::)
Yes, it was why Bolt's post-match presser was so useful. Even the journos pointed out that despite the massively lower rotations we still pushed into our F50 late in the game even with tired legs. A great sign considering we played to limits that will be in place for the real season, and that we are in the middle of a highly loaded segment of our pre-season program. :D
Something to be happy about, just one practice match into a new regime, and no sledging of players in the media conference either!
Yep to this..... who's gonna kick our goals.. ??
We dominated the 1st quarter for one goal... 4 goals for the game........ :-[
Key comment in the thread, we were well in it in the first quarter, had the ball , won the contested possies, BUT still didnt capitalise on the score board, we dont have the cattle for this. Some one smarter than I will be able to find the fact on this, but if we lined up a list of the forward line players and checked what is the highest amount of goals they have kicked in a game it will show quickly what out capabilities are.
Eg Casboult i beleive kicked 4 once , and some 3's , and he is our lead player there.
Kerrige 6 for Adelaide , hope thats a bonus for us shows he might be a multiple goal kicker for us
Who is next Murphy , thinking 4 or 5 once?
We dont have players that on their day can impact on the scoreboard to create match winning score board pressure for us. We have players that can get 25-30 possies but unless we score its doesnt have the same effect, and that will always keep us chasing.
In the last 10 yrs or so , Waite, Fev ...forward line generals , at times Hendo were go to people , we wont progress till we change the structure , dont believe we have the players on board this year to do it.
We lost the game because we had no forwards.
Simple as that.
(and the rotation thingy ;))
Having a lack of forwards was the one thing that stood out to me. We are going to be putting a lot of faith in young McKay to make it plus Jacksh just has to develop into that third marking tall as well.
I will: 78 rotations to 135. Of course our midfielders struggled to keep up. It helps to know what the coach has mind when evaluating performances in practice matches ::)
I was well aware of that smarta$$. My argument wasn't that Gibbs ran out of steam, it was that he never got going in the first place. Can you wrap your head around that or would you like another passive aggressive dig?
Key comment in the thread, we were well in it in the first quarter, had the ball , won the contested possies, BUT still didnt capitalise on the score board, we dont have the cattle for this. Some one smarter than I will be able to find the fact on this, but if we lined up a list of the forward line players and checked what is the highest amount of goals they have kicked in a game it will show quickly what out capabilities are.
Eg Casboult i beleive kicked 4 once , and some 3's , and he is our lead player there.
Kerrige 6 for Adelaide , hope thats a bonus for us shows he might be a multiple goal kicker for us
Who is next Murphy , thinking 4 or 5 once?
We dont have players that on their day can impact on the scoreboard to create match winning score board pressure for us. We have players that can get 25-30 possies but unless we score its doesnt have the same effect, and that will always keep us chasing.
In the last 10 yrs or so , Waite, Fev ...forward line generals , at times Hendo were go to people , we wont progress till we change the structure , dont believe we have the players on board this year to do it.
I think Bolton's comments in the presser are relevant here too. He spoke of Casboult as an elite talent but said that the delivery to him has to be better. He also commented on the turnovers and breakdowns in getting the ball inside the forward 50. Addressing those deficiencies will provide more and better opportunities for the forwards. Playing someone other than Jones will help too.
bit angry today Spornton?
Chill fella, it's Rd 1 of the pre season comp....
End of the world Flyboy.
I'm just making a noose now.
On Gibbs - whilst I get as annoyed as anyone with his occasional lackadaisical performances, I wonder whether there is something coaches and club see in him that we don't ?
If what is touted around here is fair and accurate, how is it possible that he has managed to stooge 3 successive regimes (4 if you count Den Den) ?
Something doesn't add up.
On Gibbs - whilst I get as annoyed as anyone with his occasional lackadaisical performances, I wonder whether there is something coaches and club see in him that we don't ?
If what is touted around here is fair and accurate, how is it possible that he has managed to stooge 3 successive regimes (4 if you count Den Den) ?
Something doesn't add up.
He was good for the first 1.5 quarters. Then backed off. I'm not sure what the issue is.
It was obviously an instruction to have a good run around.
Just some absolute tripe on here this morning.
Not you PaulP.
He was good for the first 1.5 quarters. Then backed off. I'm not sure what the issue is.
It was obviously an instruction to have a good run around.
Just some absolute tripe on here this morning.
Not you PaulP.
It's sick. I actually haven't a clue what game you were watching. I watched every single second of that match, so for you to say Gibbs was good for a whole 1.5 quarters suggests you are either trying to get a rise or are an idiot. Can you shed some light on which is the case?
I was well aware of that smarta$$. My argument wasn't that Gibbs ran out of steam, it was that he never got going in the first place. Can you wrap your head around that or would you like another passive aggressive dig?
You're entitled to your opinion, flawed as it may be :)
He was good for the first 1.5 quarters. Then backed off. I'm not sure what the issue is.
It was obviously an instruction to have a good run around.
Just some absolute tripe on here this morning.
Not you PaulP.
Thanks cimm.
I'm sure I have my lairy moments as much as the next bloke.
On Gibbs - whilst I get as annoyed as anyone with his occasional lackadaisical performances, I wonder whether there is something coaches and club see in him that we don't ?
If what is touted around here is fair and accurate, how is it possible that he has managed to stooge 3 successive regimes (4 if you count Den Den) ?
Something doesn't add up.
It's a simple answer PaulP. Initially Gibbs was given time as a developing youngster, so Pagan was patient. Then Ratten noted that Gibbs was often played out of position under the previous regime, so he was given more time to establish himself as a mid. Then under Malthouse, for the first year senile Mick was FIXATED on his love affair with Bryce when previously coaching him in the International Rules Series (?????????). Then Gibbs had his first belter of a season and was re-signed for 5 years. As for now, well, Bolton is taking last year with a grain of salt as Gibbs was injured for much of it and we were a laughing stock. Still, I, and a select group of enlightened others noted in Gibbs' limited performances last year he completely lacked any desire whatsoever, and we saw it again last night.
I'm uncertain how Bolton views Gibbs yet. The fact that he lost out to Simpson on VC in his twilight suggests he isn't as highly rated as under previous regimes. God I hope so. The day Gibbs gets dropped for even a single match is the day I will need to change my underpants.
It's sick. I actually haven't a clue what game you were watching. I watched every single second of that match, so for you to say Gibbs was good for a whole 1.5 quarters suggests you are either trying to get a rise or are an idiot. Can you shed some light on which is the case?
You and the club can't both be right. Either he's a terrifically convincing con artist, or the club think he's worth keeping. They've had a few chances to offload him, and haven't taken any.
EDIT : I saw your previous answer after I posted.
You're entitled to your opinion, flawed as it may be :)
There should be a universal test for who knows the slightest thing about football - if you think Bryce Gibbs is a half decent footballer, you fail.
You and the club can't both be right. Either he's a terrifically convincing con artist, or the club think he's worth keeping. They've had a few chances to offload him, and haven't taken any.
They had one option to, and that was to trade him for pick 2 a couple of years back. EVEN if we didn't require a rebuild we were stupid to not take it. The fact that we did require a rebuild but were too arrogant to notice it back then and make the trade is the reason why we are paying the ultimate price now and are behind clubs like Melbourne and St Kilda.
Key comment in the thread, we were well in it in the first quarter, had the ball , won the contested possies, BUT still didnt capitalise on the score board, we dont have the cattle for this. Some one smarter than I will be able to find the fact on this, but if we lined up a list of the forward line players and checked what is the highest amount of goals they have kicked in a game it will show quickly what out capabilities are.
Eg Casboult i beleive kicked 4 once , and some 3's , and he is our lead player there.
Kerrige 6 for Adelaide , hope thats a bonus for us shows he might be a multiple goal kicker for us
Who is next Murphy , thinking 4 or 5 once?
We dont have players that on their day can impact on the scoreboard to create match winning score board pressure for us. We have players that can get 25-30 possies but unless we score its doesnt have the same effect, and that will always keep us chasing.
In the last 10 yrs or so , Waite, Fev ...forward line generals , at times Hendo were go to people , we wont progress till we change the structure , dont believe we have the players on board this year to do it.
Walker - 6
Gibbs - 4
Thomas - 4
Everitt - 4
Kreuzer - 3
Murph - 4
They had one option to, and that was to trade him for pick 2 a couple of years back. EVEN if we didn't require a rebuild we were stupid to not take it. The fact that we did require a rebuild but were too arrogant to notice it back then and make the trade is the reason why we are paying the ultimate price now and are behind clubs like Melbourne and St Kilda.
Gibbs is only on 500k, I would be more looking at the blokes at the club that are on 700k personally.
Walker - 6
Gibbs - 4
Thomas - 4
Everitt - 4
Kreuzer - 3
Murph - 4
Nah surely now we aren't considering players' highest bags as true indicators of their ongoing potential as a genuine forward option. Sick sick sick.
It's sick. I actually haven't a clue what game you were watching. I watched every single second of that match, so for you to say Gibbs was good for a whole 1.5 quarters suggests you are either trying to get a rise or are an idiot. Can you shed some light on which is the case?
Take the meds dude.
Gibbs is only on 500k, I would be more looking at the blokes at the club that are on 700k personally.
Should have moved them all on, even Murphy, who isn't worth the coin he is on as he is a B+ player. Should preface this by mentioning how much I admire how he bleeds for this club and IS tough as nails, despite opinions from the pigs on this forum who haven't a clue about football and who of all people, choose Murphy as a scapegoat. Delusional.
Take the meds dude.
I am, you should see what I'm like when I don't.
There should be a universal test for who knows the slightest thing about football - if you think Bryce Gibbs is a half decent footballer, you fail.
Well, I'm in good company then :)
Well, I'm in good company then :)
You're certainly in company...
Nah surely now we aren't considering players' highest bags as true indicators of their ongoing potential as a genuine forward option. Sick sick sick.
14 or 15 goals will invariably win a GF.
1 x 4, 3 x 2 + 5 x 1.
Easy!
14 or 15 goals will invariably win a GF.
1 x 4, 3 x 2 + 5 x 1.
Easy!
Was never great at BODMAS. If Bolton is, then the flag is ours.
It's always best to visit the zoo at feeding time.
It's always best to visit the zoo at feeding time.
Are there pigs at the zoo?
Even Greg Denham thought it was a promising performance. He now says the drug cheats are firm favourite for the wooden spoon. He also says that he thought there was unexpected improvement from the young players.
Even Greg Denham thought it was a promising performance. He now says the drug cheats are firm favourite for the wooden spoon. He also says that he thought there was unexpected improvement from the young players.
Certainly was improvement from a couple of young players. Two stood out for me:
- Whiley - picked it when we got him - will be the best out of the lot we traded for in 2014. Ball magnet and hounds it like a pig
- Graham - loves a goal and works into his positions beautifully. Hating his kicking action for goal however, or to be more accurate, his routine. I doubt he stumbles his way in like that during training, which suggests he needs a premeditated routine, because the one he sprayed was awful
Certainly was improvement from a couple of young players. Two stood out for me:
- Whiley - picked it when we got him - will be the best out of the lot we traded for in 2014. Ball magnet and hounds it like a pig
- Graham - loves a goal and works into his positions beautifully. Hating his kicking action for goal however, or to be more accurate, his routine. I doubt he stumbles his way in like that during training, which suggests he needs a premeditated routine, because the one he sprayed was awful
Also thought Boekhurst really showed intent and creativity. Polish will come as he makes a way to find more time with the pill.
And what were your thoughts on Kerridge Spornton?
Whiley at 188cm, 88kg a great size. looks to have bulked up considerably in the off season.
With Crippa and Kerridge (and Special K to boot) alongside, some real grunt in the inside space - and dare I say it - protection for Smurf!!
And what were your thoughts on Kerridge Spornton?
Real intent, a running machine, and looks hard at it. Can't judge skills yet as most are a bit rusty in the early round of the season. More hopeful in him that I am in Wright, who just has recycled written all over him.
Whiley at 188cm, 88kg a great size. looks to have bulked up considerably in the off season.
With Crippa and Kerridge (and Special K to boot) alongside, some real grunt in the inside space - and dare I say it - protection for Smurf!!
Kreuzer played a nice game didn't he? Dermott was a bit harsh on him but it's a good thing that Dermott is the only one who listens to a single thing Dermott says.
They had one option to, and that was to trade him for pick 2 a couple of years back. EVEN if we didn't require a rebuild we were stupid to not take it. The fact that we did require a rebuild but were too arrogant to notice it back then and make the trade is the reason why we are paying the ultimate price now and are behind clubs like Melbourne and St Kilda.
Whilst i can appreciate that in your mind, your position on Gibbs comes from a rational, sustained analysis and keen observation over a period of time, and not as the result of personal bias or agenda, something is getting lost in translation, because your views come across as the latter rather than the former. I recall a book I read on Steve Jobs, where he was described as having a binary view of the world, and divided people into two groups, "heroes who could do no wrong", and "sh1theads who could do no good".
Gibbs may not be the greatest number 1, he may be occasionally laconic, he may never reach his potential, but as our list stands presently, he is in our best 22, and deserves a game. I would argue that he would be in the best 22 in any of other 17 teams.
I still say that is simply not possible to flim flam 3 successive, and largely independent regimes.
And really, referring to others on here as stupid or pigs doesn't help your cause either.
Whilst i can appreciate that in your mind, your position on Gibbs comes from a rational, sustained analysis and keen observation over a period of time, and not as the result of personal bias or agenda, something is getting lost in translation, because your views come across as the latter rather than the former. I recall a book I read on Steve Jobs, where he was described as having a binary view of the world, and divided people into two groups, "heroes who could do no wrong", and "sh1theads who could do no good".
Gibbs may not be the greatest number 1, he may be occasionally laconic, he may never reach his potential, but as our list stands presently, he is in our best 22, and deserves a game. I would argue that he would be in the best 22 in any of other 17 teams.
I still say that is simply not possible to flim flam 3 successive, and largely independent regimes.
And really, referring to others on here as stupid or pigs doesn't help your cause either.
And Steve Jobs really struggled to get results, didn't he?
Now, to sort through the waffling.
Yes - Gibbs is in our best 22 (sadly)
No - He does not DESERVE a game, nor does anyone else. It is a week to week thing that is earned. Unfortunately, Gibbs was deemed to have earned his spot for eternity when he was taken at pick 1, which is why he has never been dropped, whilst other who have performed better, have been.
No - he most certainly would not walk into 17 other clubs' best 22, which suggests your binary view on him as I doubt you have done any real analysis
No - calling people pigs and stupid does not detract from my opinion, and only stupid people would think it does ::)
p.s. not everyone is a pig or stupid, the smart ones know that xx
I reckon a good starting point may come form the following 25 players. Gorringe could be something and I'm keen to see how Jaksch and Smith go also along with Weitering and Cuningham.
How will Gorringe go as a genuine CHF? Not so sure. Hoping he can. Kristian Jaskch has got to surely do more than Liam Jones.
Kerridge gives us another bona fida midfielder with size and grunt to match. he's only 22 yo so he'll come through with Cripps and co.
Thought Whiley was good, Graham too.
Actually the best I've seen Thomas look and play for some time. No doubt his movement was quicker and his pace was certainly a massive leap form the previous 3 years. Honestly think it looks promising for him, so Thomas and Kerridge give us two more solid mids.
Boekhorst off half-back/wing I reckon would be good and I think Docherty could push more wing/mid this year....I'm hoping any way along with young Dylan Buckley.
Not sure if Simpson off half-back all year will be the go. Wouldn't mind him getting dangerous off the forward flank at times. he's so smart and dangerous.
rated the effort of Lamb. he's a one-touch footballer and able to make something out of half a chance ala Andy walker so up forward they'll be required.
Thought Matt Wright was solid/ I've been a fan of his for years. Handy and very good foot skills along with adding maturity, grunt and an ability to play forward/mid.
I don't mind the effort that Andrew Philips privies. Again, another big unit who moves well and has grunt. I reckon at his size, with that leap and his grunt, you don't throw them on the scrap heap so quickly.
B: Tuohy, Jamison, Weitering
Hb: Docherty, Rowe, Simpson
C: Thomas, Cripps, Gibbs
Hf: Everitt, Kreuzer, Lamb
F: Wright, Casboult, Walker
Foll: Phillips, Kerridge
Rov: Murphy (c)
I/c: Boekhorst, Buckley, E.Curnow, Graham
Emerg: Armfield, Whiley, White
I reckon a good starting point may come form the following 25 players. Gorringe could be something and I'm keen to see how Jaksch and Smith go also along with Weitering and Cuningham.
How will Gorringe go as a genuine CHF? Not so sure. Hoping he can. Kristian Jaskch has got to surely do more than Liam Jones.
Kerridge gives us another bona fida midfielder with size and grunt to match. he's only 22 yo so he'll come through with Cripps and co.
Thought Whiley was good, Graham too.
Actually the best I've seen Thomas look and play for some time. No doubt his movement was quicker and his pace was certainly a massive leap form the previous 3 years. Honestly think it looks promising for him, so Thomas and Kerridge give us two more solid mids.
Boekhorst off half-back/wing I reckon would be good and I think Docherty could push more wing/mid this year....I'm hoping any way along with young Dylan Buckley.
Not sure if Simpson off half-back all year will be the go. Wouldn't mind him getting dangerous off the forward flank at times. he's so smart and dangerous.
rated the effort of Lamb. he's a one-touch footballer and able to make something out of half a chance ala Andy walker so up forward they'll be required.
Thought Matt Wright was solid/ I've been a fan of his for years. Handy and very good foot skills along with adding maturity, grunt and an ability to play forward/mid.
I don't mind the effort that Andrew Philips privies. Again, another big unit who moves well and has grunt. I reckon at his size, with that leap and his grunt, you don't throw them on the scrap heap so quickly.
B: Tuohy, Jamison, Weitering
Hb: Docherty, Rowe, Simpson
C: Thomas, Cripps, Gibbs
Hf: Everitt, Kreuzer, Lamb
F: Wright, Casboult, Walker
Foll: Phillips, Kerridge
Rov: Murphy (c)
I/c: Boekhorst, Buckley, E.Curnow, Graham
Emerg: Armfield, Whiley, White
Albeit slightly different positions I had the following differences to your team:
OUT: Wright, Lamb
IN: C. Curnow, Whiley
Can't rush all the kids in but Charlie looked ready last night. Ferocious attack and I just want to see more.
Would love to be proved wrong on Wright but he looks like a recycled player.
As for Lamb, mark this one in your record books - he is cuck. We saw the same thing in him that Syd and GWS did and fell for it. Scared as a little, well, I won't say it ;D
I was highly critical of the decision to take Boekhorst over Laverde but that anger has waned a little now. If they both turn out to have careers around the same level then the decision was a good one.
Based on the last few games of 2015 and some glimpses last night, Boekhorst may end up being a solid contributor for us across the wing and half-forward, he seems to improve just a little more each time I see him.
That was a sublime pass to Everitt. The vision to spot him was impressive just by itself. Can you imagine Bell, Robbo or Grigg doing that? They just would have bombed it as long as they could.
Brettie is wondering if SPORNTON owns a pig....... 8)
That was a sublime pass to Everitt. The vision to spot him was impressive just by itself. Can you imagine Bell, Robbo or Grigg doing that? They just would have bombed it as long as they could.
Indeed, it showed real poise and composure..... This lad has the gift of 'time'.
That was a sublime pass to Everitt. The vision to spot him was impressive just by itself. Can you imagine Bell, Robbo or Grigg doing that? They just would have bombed it as long as they could.
It was a great kick, but don't forget the lateral movement and pace that gave him the time and space to spot Everitt and deliver the ball so precisely. I doubt whether Bell, Robbo or Grigg could get clear of two opponents with the ease that Boekhorst showed.
He's still a work in progress but the signs are good.
Yep, it must take time for first-year players to deal with the pressure of AFL footy. He might be fast but he would have quickly discovered that many others are as fast or faster. Just the numbers around the ball would rattle a youngster. He's starting to develop the confidence that he can find space without worrying too much about who might be behind him.
They had one option to, and that was to trade him for pick 2 a couple of years back. EVEN if we didn't require a rebuild we were stupid to not take it. The fact that we did require a rebuild but were too arrogant to notice it back then and make the trade is the reason why we are paying the ultimate price now and are behind clubs like Melbourne and St Kilda.
Must have struggled with the Captaincy.... when's that being announced again?
The only thing that irritated me slightly last night was the ease at which some of our guys got stepped around.
So many guys overcommitted.
Brettie is wondering if SPORNTON owns a pig....... 8)
I own a pony.
Must have struggled with the Captaincy.... when's that being announced again?
Nughhh he didn't say which Monday nughhhh
our game plan around the ground has changed but i noticed a couple of 2015 traits such as the long bomb into fwd line and kicking straight to opposition i think happened to much last night but overall we heading in the right direction.
The only thing that irritated me slightly last night was the ease at which some of our guys got stepped around.
So many guys overcommitted.
Piss poor tackle in the last from Everitt in the last, when he had the guy on toast.
Piss poor tackle in the last from Everitt in the last, when he had the guy on toast.
That was more than a little crap.
The Tacklephobe!
And let's not forget him hearing the footsteps in the first quarter!
Another bloke that stood out as not being up to it was Simon White. Just cannot move the ball on quickly at all, must go back and take his full amount of time and bomb along the boundary, no wonder he looked okay under Mick, will be exposed this year.
And let's not forget him hearing the footsteps in the first quarter!
Another bloke that stood out as not being up to it was Simon White. Just cannot move the ball on quickly at all, must go back and take his full amount of time and bomb along the boundary, no wonder he looked okay under Mick, will be exposed this year.
reckon White is a liability down back but has real potential as a third tall in F50.
White is a hacker who won't die wondering and tries to do what is asked.
His only problem is that he is not quite good enough to be anything but a decent contributer at best.
At worst he can be a liability.
Lucky we are rebuilding and in 2 years time he wont be getting a game but for the minute we need him.
reckon White is a liability down back but has real potential as a third tall in F50.
I think 1AW will be the first choice third tall forward FB, but we'll have to see how he goes.
White is a hacker who won't die wondering and tries to do what is asked.
His only problem is that he is not quite good enough to be anything but a decent contributer at best.
At worst he can be a liability.
Lucky we are rebuilding and in 2 years time he wont be getting a game but for the minute we need him.
In a nutshell. It's surprising as he seems to have decent kicking skills.
And let's not forget him hearing the footsteps in the first quarter!
Another bloke that stood out as not being up to it was Simon White. Just cannot move the ball on quickly at all, must go back and take his full amount of time and bomb along the boundary, no wonder he looked okay under Mick, will be exposed this year.
First time with the new game plan and White may have just forgotten the script. If he doesn't get with the program he'll have Josh Fraser to contend with.
First time with the new game plan and White may have just forgotten the script. If he doesn't get with the program he'll have Josh Fraser to contend with.
I'll cut White some slack, Kerridge as well for his sloppy disposal and any others that appeared hesitant or confused.
It's a new game plan and the slow decision making, getting pinged with the ball(Whiley) and disposal clangers can be a symptom of that slight moment when you are not sure what you are supposed to be doing, or for that matter the bloke who was supposed to be receiving doesn't know what he was supposed to be doing.
It's not always the ball carriers fault! ;)
The Tacklephobe!
Softest bloke in the side
Softest bloke in the side
You can add lazy too.. but he kicks straight and can convert which makes him a rarity at our club and as we will struggle to kicks goals he will continue to get games....
I think Bolton's comments in the presser are relevant here too. He spoke of Casboult as an elite talent..................
He's kidding surely.
Levi is a very good mark, and so was Brad Fisher.
Great little article
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/carlton-coach-brendon-bolton-preparing-for-interchange-rotations-cap-of-90-in-2016-afl-season/news-story/12f123f68cc6e05c6b9a65ed07f7cb6e
Softest bloke in the side
And then some!
And let's not forget him hearing the footsteps in the first quarter!
Another bloke that stood out as not being up to it was Simon White. Just cannot move the ball on quickly at all, must go back and take his full amount of time and bomb along the boundary, no wonder he looked okay under Mick, will be exposed this year.
Now Carrots, we all know you've had White in the cross hairs for a while now, thought you might have cut him a little slack after the first NAB Challenge game? ;) 8)
Interesting to hear Hodge say that he liked what he saw from Carlton. "They all seemed to be on the same page with the game plan which will be good news for some of my Carlton supporter mates."
Now Carrots, we all know you've had White in the cross hairs for a while now, thought you might have cut him a little slack after the first NAB Challenge game? ;) 8)
We're a club in a hurry. :P
He's kidding surely.
Levi is a very good mark, and so was Brad Fisher.
And your point is? ;)
I'm sure Bolton is well aware of Casboult's strengths and weaknesses.
He's kidding surely.
Levi is a very good mark, and so was Brad Fisher.
He is an elite contested mark, a dying breed in the game. What he can do you can turn into gold.
He is an elite contested mark, a dying breed in the game. What he can do you can turn into gold.
You can...but will it ever happen?
He has the skills and his kicking has improved.
He promises a lot...has for a while... but we really need him to take that next step.
Biggest positive for me was a trait of the better teams that has been missing from the Blues for many years - namely, creating fierce pressure by aggressively closing on the player who is about to receive the ball instead of waiting until he gets it and then simply trying to corral him.
The players were excellent in this regard until they started to run out of legs and the difference from previous years was stark.
The fact that we no longer had soft-cocks Menzel and Yarran probably helped - they were two who rarely tried to close down an opponent until he had already gained possession and then they used to have a think about it before doing anything.
Despite some negative comments about Gibbs, I though he also showed willingness to improve in this area.
He is an elite contested mark, a dying breed in the game. What he can do you can turn into gold.
And he has improved every year. His accuracy last year was at a totally acceptable level for a key forward, he has a big motor and can impose himself around the ground and all this without a bona fide second or third forward to support him. What an important player he will be when Charlie and Harry start having an influence. He definitely offers far more than Brad Fisher ever did.
Biggest positive for me was a trait of the better teams that has been missing from the Blues for many years - namely, creating fierce pressure by aggressively closing on the player who is about to receive the ball instead of waiting until he gets it and then simply trying to corral him.
The players were excellent in this regard until they started to run out of legs and the difference from previous years was stark.
The fact that we no longer had soft-cocks Menzel and Yarran probably helped - they were two who rarely tried to close down an opponent until he had already gained possession and then they used to have a think about it before doing anything.
Despite some negative comments about Gibbs, I though he also showed willingness to improve in this area.
That was a very noticeable change RR. To me it was a switch from passive to active defence. It was probably also a factor in the free kick disparity - that and some inexplicable decisions. I imagine we won't infringe as often when active defence is second nature.
You can...but will it ever happen?
He has the skills and his kicking has improved.
He promises a lot...has for a while... but we really need him to take that next step.
Yep, I think it's almost a given that he will take that step. Big men always take time and Cas was as raw as they come.
and some inexplicable decisions
inexplicable = BS.
Yep, I think it's almost a given that he will take that step. Big men always take time and Cas was as raw as they come.
That's what we said about Hampson for five years or more, and anyone who called him for the spud he is was shouted down.
Levi is what, 26 or so?
What you see is what you get.
Biggest positive for me was a trait of the better teams that has been missing from the Blues for many years - namely, creating fierce pressure by aggressively closing on the player who is about to receive the ball instead of waiting until he gets it and then simply trying to corral him.
The players were excellent in this regard until they started to run out of legs and the difference from previous years was stark.
The fact that we no longer had soft-cocks Menzel and Yarran probably helped - they were two who rarely tried to close down an opponent until he had already gained possession and then they used to have a think about it before doing anything.
Despite some negative comments about Gibbs, I though he also showed willingness to improve in this area.
I agree.
Despite our continuing skills deficiencies there were some pleasing signs, we might win a few on guts alone.
That's what we said about Hampson for five years or more, and anyone who called him for the spud he is was shouted down.
Levi is what, 26 or so?
What you see is what you get.
Hampson took one contested mark in 5 years.
Compare him to Hawkins who is 2 years his senior, has played in a quality side and took a similar time to come of age as a presence.
Throwing a theory out there - what if we didn't use Murphy and Gibbs in the middle any more?
Against decent opposition both go to water and suck the rest of the team down the vortex they leave behind.
Can we shuffle them out to the flanks / wings where they might be All Australian quality? Gibbs off half-back. Murphy as a small forward / wingman.
Hand the midfield to Cripps to lead with rotations between more accountable players like Whiley, Kerridge, Curnow, Plowman, Tutt, etc.?
Murphy and Gibbs are 3 quarters of our problem in my opinion. Too easy to beat. They do not make it hard enough for their opponents, they let the team down with little or no accountability and unless it's all flowing their way are a liability.
The 2 of them are p1ssweak but they have that "best of a bad lot" position on our list so nobody cares.
Leave them out of the midfield plans and we might be able to build something worthwhile.
I thought that Kreuzer was particularly harshly treated by the umpires. He was shepherded out of ruck contests and penalised when he tried to get to the ball. It seemed to be planned tactic as Hawthorn usually had a third man up to go for the hitout. He should been paid 3-4 frees rather than having one paid against him.
We should be seeking clarification of the interpretation of ruck contests so that Kreuzer isn't disadvantaged in the real season.
Throwing a theory out there - what if we didn't use Murphy and Gibbs in the middle any more?
Against decent opposition both go to water and suck the rest of the team down the vortex they leave behind.
Can we shuffle them out to the flanks / wings where they might be All Australian quality? Gibbs off half-back. Murphy as a small forward / wingman.
Hand the midfield to Cripps to lead with rotations between more accountable players like Whiley, Kerridge, Curnow, Plowman, Tutt, etc.?
Murphy and Gibbs are 3 quarters of our problem in my opinion. Too easy to beat. They do not make it hard enough for their opponents, they let the team down with little or no accountability and unless it's all flowing their way are a liability.
The 2 of them are p1ssweak but they have that "best of a bad lot" position on our list so nobody cares.
Leave them out of the midfield plans and we might be able to build something worthwhile.
Throw it out there all you like but I doubt whether Bolton will share your view. :)
When the umpires are bending us over - it always seems worse somehow when the commentators are ignoring it.
Dermott (solid gold imbecile that he is) was actively barracking and pointing out yet more free kicks that should have been paid to Hawthorn.
I often mute the tv. Dwayno, BT, Derm... rather listen to Steve Urkel get a colonic irrigation.
Throw it out there all you like but I doubt whether Bolton will share your view. :)
I think the Murphy / Judd combo was most effective in 2011, when Murph played more outside runner / link man and Judd did more inside work. If we substitute Cripps for Judd.................
still think we'll beat Richmond round 1
Throw it out there all you like but I doubt whether Bolton will share your view. :)
I agree.... something will have to change eventually though.
These guys have all the talent but just don't have the mentality required.
still think we'll beat Richmond round 1
They just got a 10 goal flogging from Freo, just sayin'
Hampson took one contested mark in 5 years.
Compare him to Hawkins who is 2 years his senior, has played in a quality side and took a similar time to come of age as a presence.
You're kidding right?
Podsiadly went down early in the 2011 Grand Final and Hawkins played the game of his life, at age 23.
For the record, 19 touches, 15 of them contested, 9 marks and 3 goals 3, 3rd in the Norm Smith behind Bartel and Sellwood.
The biggest problem with Levi is that if he takes a mark outside scoring range Carlton is 50/50 at best to get the next possession, and watching him again last night nothing has changed on that score.
He's a better footballer than Hampson but that wouldn't be hard, Hampson is the worst footballer to ever play 50 games in Navy Blue.
You're kidding right?
Podsiadly went down early in the 2011 Grand Final and Hawkins played the game of his life, at age 23.
For the record, 19 touches, 15 of them contested, 9 marks and 3 goals 3, 3rd in the Norm Smith behind Bartel and Sellwood.
The biggest problem with Levi is that if he takes a mark outside scoring range Carlton is 50/50 at best to get the next possession, and watching him again last night nothing has changed on that score.
He's a better footballer than Hampson but that wouldn't be hard, Hampson is the worst footballer to ever play 50 games in Navy Blue.
Errrr......Mark Athorn?
On a more positive note:
Whiley 12 possessions and 3 tackles from 50% game time was the best I've seen from him.
Wright looked like a good get. Nothing spectacular but reminded me a bit of Heath Scotland somehow.
Lamb 10 pos from half a game on a flank was very promising also. 3 marks, a clearance, 2 tackles. Got involved - really good to see.
You're kidding right?
Podsiadly went down early in the 2011 Grand Final and Hawkins played the game of his life, at age 23.
For the record, 19 touches, 15 of them contested, 9 marks and 3 goals 3, 3rd in the Norm Smith behind Bartel and Sellwood.
The biggest problem with Levi is that if he takes a mark outside scoring range Carlton is 50/50 at best to get the next possession, and watching him again last night nothing has changed on that score.
He's a better footballer than Hampson but that wouldn't be hard, Hampson is the worst footballer to ever play 50 games in Navy Blue.
Can't cop Levi criticism.
Such a positive for us since having sorted his kicking out. Any forward is reliant on supply. For the last 3 quarters last night he didn't get much.
If he were playing in a top team he'd be right up there in the league.
They just got a 10 goal flogging from Freo, just sayin'
Wouldnt read much into that game...Tigers cubs vs Freo vets, that game was only going to end in tears for the cubs ...only real interest was Ross " Yeah Yeah" Lyons increased number of follicles....maybe Goo Guerrq and David Hale who are now on staff have enticed him to get the roof thatched...
same hairstyle as clarkson.
its officially an obsession
We are obviously no judges. Here's what got Graham fired up!!!
http://cfcblu.es/GrahamNAB1
Wouldnt read much into that game...Tigers cubs vs Freo vets, that game was only going to end in tears for the cubs ...only real interest was Ross " Yeah Yeah" Lyons increased number of follicles....maybe Goo Guerrq and David Hale who are now on staff have enticed him to get the roof thatched...
Yes, I'd read as much into that result as I'd read into Thursday night's game, but we're still in with a huge chance to spoil Richmond's start to the season.
Pavlich's decision to go around again looks like it was on the money but I don't think he'll ever get to hold a premiership cup.
We are obviously no judges. Here's what got Graham fired up!!!
http://cfcblu.es/GrahamNAB1
It's interesting isn't it. Jones really polarizes opinions between those who watch the game and those in the inner sanctum. I don't get it.
We delisted Holman and Walsh last year without a blink even though I thought they offered more than what Jones has shown so far. Training track form clearly carries a lot of weight.
Can't cop Levi criticism.
Such a positive for us since having sorted his kicking out. Any forward is reliant on supply. For the last 3 quarters last night he didn't get much.
If he were playing in a top team he'd be right up there in the league.
yep, agree 100%....
That's what we said about Hampson for five years or more, and anyone who called him for the spud he is was shouted down.
Levi is what, 26 or so?
What you see is what you get.
If he plays full time forward he'll be ok for a couple a game, which will give him in the 40s. I'm sure he'll spend plenty of time rucking too. Won't be a gun who kicks 60-70 goals but a valuable player, who do pretty well in a good club.
It's interesting isn't it. Jones really polarizes opinions between those who watch the game and those in the inner sanctum. I don't get it.
We delisted Holman and Walsh last year without a blink even though I thought they offered more than what Jones has shown so far. Training track form clearly carries a lot of weight.
We are short of big KPFs so Jones gets cut more slack than others where we have a more ready supply. Wishful thinking I guess on the part of the club.
Players under contract just don't get sacked these days unless something untoward has occurred.
If you are in your final year that is the only time you will have the Club's desires tested.
I'd like nothing more than for Jones to make it, but he is marking time. Just like a few others and if it means they play so we don't roll out a youngster like a lamb to the slaughter every week then that's a win.
Our young players need to learn the game plan and develop their ability to compete with the big boys at this level, and that means picking their moments for senior footy. Do that from now, and if they earn an early call up, good. If not then so be it.
It's interesting isn't it. Jones really polarizes opinions between those who watch the game and those in the inner sanctum. I don't get it.
We delisted Holman and Walsh last year without a blink even though I thought they offered more than what Jones has shown so far. Training track form clearly carries a lot of weight.
He could just be looking after a mate
I'd play Foster or Jakcsh at FF this week and drop Jones.....going to be embarrassing if we lose to Essendon IMO after everyone has written them off and I want a decent team to take the field which means No Liam Jones... and I want a 5 goal win to stamp our authority over these cheats....
I'd play Foster or Jakcsh at FF this week and drop Jones.....going to be embarrassing if we lose to Essendon IMO after everyone has written them off and I want a decent team to take the field which means No Liam Jones... and I want a 5 goal win to stamp our authority over these cheats....
Reckon we're a big chance to lose if the Bombers are serious.
Reckon we're a big chance to lose if the Bombers are serious.
The last thing the bombers will want is injuries, especially during pre-season, I don't think they will be going in too hard.
Be interesting if Cripps plays ....what are the odds of Crowley picking him up.....reckon the ex Freo veteran wouldnt mind Cripps scalp and has been known to put his hand up to play on certain players..
Reckon the Bombers will play a few of their top ups only.....given the Bombers have lost so much size down back I wonder if we may go very tall up forward and force a player like Mitch Brown to play back...
Bombers fans will be out in force probably to protest the WADA result and the Bombers will be fired up to show the footy world they are going to be competitive and they have nothing to lose and everything to gain.....even with the Bombers down and out I am never confident as they always lift to play us....
Be interesting if Cripps plays ....what are the odds of Crowley picking him up.....reckon the ex Freo veteran wouldnt mind Cripps scalp and has been known to put his hand up to play on certain players..
Reckon the Bombers will play a few of their top ups only.....given the Bombers have lost so much size down back I wonder if we may go very tall up forward and force a player like Mitch Brown to play back...
Bombers fans will be out in force probably to protest the WADA result and the Bombers will be fired up to show the footy world they are going to be competitive and they have nothing to lose and everything to gain.....even with the Bombers down and out I am never confident as they always lift to play us....
They've got Crowley playing as a lead up forward and, according to the report in today's Age, he was best afield in their intra-club game (opposed by Gwilt). I suspect that Worsfold won't have the luxury of using him as a run with player. It would certainly be a test of Crowley's fitness if he did.
BB will have his plan for this game and won't get sucked in by the scum I'm sure. Dealing with Crowley will be seen as a learning opportuniy! ;)