8 goals to 3 in the first quarter was a telling sign, they placed us under pressure and forced skills errors, we tried to rough them up a little (eg. Robinson V Martin) but it had little effect on them.
What happened in the second was simply terrific, where it started and by whom is irrelevant, the fact that it happened shows that they are capable of matching it with the other teams in the eight if they want to be switched on and committed to each other.
Fighting gritty third quarter saw us hit the front quickly with a goal by McLean and then a goal after the siren from Casboult put us back in front at 3/4 time.
The things we did so very well in the 2nd & 3rd quarters which got us into the game and kept us in it started to dissipate halfway through the last, was it fatigue or a lack of faith in themselves ??
The Tigers were always going to throw the kitchen sink at us in the last so we needed to brace ourselves and confront their sustained attack. I felt that even though we knew they were coming at us, we started to fumble and make it harder for ourselves than we needed to. As it turned out, the longer the quarter went, the more the Tigers panicked as a result of the scoreboard pressure.
I'm still trying to understand how Maric was able to sneak forward on a number of occasions, take marks inside the 50m arc, kick goals from close range too. His mark & goal late in the last kept them in touch and a chance.
Menzel could of probably sealed it with 4mins to play when he had a relatively easy shot on the run from 35m out and missed everything. As an oddball parallel universe happening, Casboult kicked one off the ground to us 15 points up with 3.5mins to play.
Yarran, the player all Blues supporters get a woodie over, from 20m out on the run missed what would of been a certain sealer 30secs later. #badkarma
Ended up with a solid win and one that puts a smile on everyone's face especially after the crap they served up the past few weeks.
The young guys are the future now, that was the most obvious thing to come out of the match for me today, leave them in the seniors to learn the caper.
Did anyone see a Carlton team-mate go and give Menzel a pat on the back for getting back on his own and diving to touch the ball right on the line when to prevent a Tigers goal in the first ?? Didn't see to many say 'well done' when he kicked that terrific goal in traffic moments later too. #gonnabegood
Robert Warnock, here's a tip on how to play the ruck role by someone who never played ruck - try looking at the ball instead of the opposition ruckman at a centre bounce, you may get your hand a little closer to it if you do. #useless
Was Bootsma on Riewoldt part of a long-term development strategy or was it purely through necessity ?? #scratchinghead
Hey Bryce, feel free to actually tackle the Tiger player with the ball, standing a metre away flapping your arms like a seagull just doesn't cut it anymore. #exposed
Mitch Robinson's second quarter was the most devastating he has ever played, in fact, if he could constantly play with that level of disciplined intensity, non-one would ever doubt him. #trainthebrain
Eddie Betts, the smallest player on the field tried to take Mark of the Century by climbing high on Astbury's back only to give away a free kick. #playthepercentages
Nick Graham looked like he was meant to be there, just needs to kick through the ball instead of those that went flat & low. #thathaircutisrad
Tom Bell is dumb, pure and simple, made too many errors and bad decisions under pressure. Brute force with a lack of polish & general awareness will see him ousted from the club. #wicrapwasntso
McInnes looks like such a calm & reliable player now, resembles an old style cool Blues defender. #partofthefuture. Really like what he offers and disappointed that I ever doubted him. #nooneisperfect
Can we get Dr. Frankenstein to join Gibbs' kicking ability with Casboult's great pack marking to create the perfect player ?? #tellhimhesdreaming
Jarrod Waite playing as a permanent defender was the balancing act we need to keep Henderson up forward. #goodcoaching #rightthingtodo
Josh Bootsma, please sprint at the ball when it is well in front of you, don't lope along so your opponent can catch up to you. #worrying
Not bad.
Menzel to be a player. Graham showed enough.
Stilll seeing improvement.
Yarran seemed interested.
Few changed positions today? Gibbs forward... ?
Nice Mick's Blues has beaten a team above . Thumbs up.
The Irishman is a gun, loved his game
Great turnaround, looked like it was gonna get ugly. Pleasantly surprised. Richmond aren't much chop TBH.
The Irishman is a gun, loved his game
Yep need more like him.
Had a few shudders there towards the end with Yazz running into open goal and missing, though it was gonna be R1 all over again
How sweet it is! ;D
Before the game there was Dermie, Roo and Dwayney salivating over how many the Tiggers were going to do us over by! I thought "wouldn't it be nice if we could just pinch this one!" And Hey Presto!
Great gutsy effort by the boys in a performance that had all the elements that were missing in the last 2 weeks.
Well played boys and a nice pressie in the end for Mick.
FYI we won every stat against a Top 6 side....
knew we would win well done carlton
Take a bow Thry and others who didnt doubt.
So proud of the boys right now. Horrible first quarter, but showed heart and determination to get it back. Bout time Blues!
Great win! Showed plenty of heart to get back into it and I'm not sure if many saw on the TV after the game but the celebrations were big, it clearly meant a lot to the players.
Robbo brilliant, got given a good run in the midfield and didn't let the side down.
Dirty Mclean inspirational second quarter got us back into it. Pity he couldn't nail the fourth.
Casboult 3 very important goals. Amazing what a difference it makes when you have someone that can mark the bomb inside 50. I noted he was out of position for both his marks but still too strong when it counted.
Really liked Menzel's game though he flashed in and out. Kicked a very nice goal.
Gibbs teased us once again with some inetencity in the last term.
Yarran had a 5 minute patch in the second where I thought he'd been moved down back. We looked that much better straight away, a lot more direct. Yarran takes out the middle man. He runs and he delivers. He is an efficient footballer coming out of defence.
To those I doubted, the egg tastes quite nice ATM. ;)
Amazing what a week does, eh PI2C ;)
Where was this team last week?
I thought Gibbs was brilliant today!
Some just dont seem to like him on here ( sheik????)
I agree about bell, I think bells r ringing in his head, as his awareness is horrific
Menzel is gunna b a gun
Mcinnes is gunna b a back man for a long while.
Graham needs more game time
Warnock is a giant, & will hopefully go there!
Waite may b good but may b better as trade bait
Brock was very good ( what a turnaround from last year)
Irish is turning into a favourite
The amigos may not be there next year
Hendo is our man
Yarran, although he was not a massive contibutor, showed a couple of times his ability to run through the corridor from HB - that's definitely his forte and that's what we should have him doing to get the best out of him.
The encouraging thing was that he looked pumped at the end and the win obviously meant a lot to him.
Good to see all the boys respond to MM's challenge he made earlier in the week - great sign IMO.
Amazing what a week does, eh PI2C ;)
The players definitely responded to something!
Said it before and I'll say it again - what an enigmatic side we are! More than a few players playing for their future and it showed.
Poor old Mick has been under siege somewhat, but I thought he scored a '9' today. Waite to the backline, Murphy swapping to and from the wing to break the tag, Tuohy under instructions to bomb a goal to break the line, Cotchin well held, Mitch showing much more composure.
Hopefully what we saw today was a sign that the players are starting to "get it". Still not perfect, but much, much better.
I thought Curnow's tackling was superb - really stepped up a notch in intensity
Haven't seen the second half yet but we get back into this game because of an aggressive and positive on ball brigade.
Not Judd, Murph and three taggers.
Makes it hard because the oppostition actually have to worry about more than shutting down one player.
Easily Eddies best half for the year.
With Cachia & Carrazzo not playing today, Curnow was our only tagging midfielder in the team and we won.
Mere coincidence ?? I think not !!
Unbelievable...... just imaging the outcome if we hadn't coughed up a 5 to 6 goal lead to them in Q1!!!
Well done lads, the injection of youth paid dividends......
Re Bell, he's only had 12 games prior to today. He's got time to improve.....
For anyone that was there how did curnow go? From what i heard sounded like he did very well.
Bell was doing a fair bit of grunt work in terms of spoiling and ball winning in the clinches, which I think we benefited from. He just needs to improve his disposal which lets him down atm. I'm confident that will get some focus as he's very useful to have around the clearances and contested ball situations.
Also let's the opposition know he's there - ask Cotchin.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-17/talking-points-richmond-v-carlton (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-17/talking-points-richmond-v-carlton)
1. Jack's mixed day
A hush went around the MCG when Jack Riewoldt came up clasping his right knee after landing awkwardly in a final-quarter marking contest. Thankfully for the Tigers Riewoldt – after receiving some treatment – returned to action. Earlier, the Tiger spearhead started with a bang by kicking two goals in the opening term and being involved in Richmond's first four score involvements, opposed to Blues youngster Josh Bootsma. After the rot had sent in, Michael Jamison was swung on to Riewoldt and played a terrific role in blanketing the Tigers star. Riewoldt did not register a goal on Jamison, who continues to fly under the radar as a key defender who gets the job done each week.
2. Ellis learns the ropes
Richmond's Brandon Ellis was having a big impact on the contest with seven disposals, two goals, 100 per cent efficiency, three inside 50s and best afield honours in the first quarter. Everything appeared to be going his and his team's way, until Blues coach Mick Malthouse swung Dennis Armfield on to him. Ellis' influence quickly dissipated and the Blues managed to work themselves back in to the game. Armfield's tenacity and pressure seemed to get in Ellis' head, as he held him to just six possessions after quarter time. Ellis has had an impressive season, but he will learn a lot from today about what it takes to successfully shake a tag.
3. Mick's bird issues
Never shy of bringing up the bizarre in his post-game press conference, Mick Malthouse was in typical form after the match against the Tigers. As an aside to praising his team after its gutsy 10-point win, Malthouse turned his attention to the birds on the MCG playing surface. Malthouse spoke to young Troy Menzel after the game about why he shanked one of his kicks at goal. Menzel blamed the birds, prompting Malthouse to call for some, yep, 'bird control': "This is something we've really got to look at. As he (Menzel) ran, a whole heap of birds flew up in front of him and he said it just put him straight off. We can't have sport like that on this ground, we've got to be able to eliminate that."
4. The V6 engine firing on all cylinders
Carlton coach Mick Malthouse declared Mitch Robinson was "running on four cylinders for a six cylinder car." Well, clearly Robinson was listening and felt he had a point to prove against the Tigers. Coming back in to the team after being dropped a fortnight ago, Robinson's second quarter was something to behold. His physicality around the contests was central to the Blues roaring back in to the game. Robinson is often criticised for being over the top, but he found the right amount of aggression against the Tigers and it showed in an impressive display.
5. Tiger stars quieted
It's not often that Dustin Martin and Trent Cotchin are held in check. But that's exactly what happened against the Blues. Martin finished with just 10 disposals and no goals, while Cotchin managed just 13. Cotchin seemed to be a shadow of himself, struggling to have any real impact on the game. Ed Curnow did a tremendous job in a run with role, at times, while Zach Tuohy was the major nullifying influence on Martin.
Amazing what a week does, eh PI2C ;)
The players definitely responded to something!
coach, maybe ? ;)
You're getting some intense karma love there recently buddy....
It looked like it was going to be a humiliating defeat in the first quarter. Absolutely woeful and the move to put Boostma on Riewoldt just had disaster all over it. Murphy handballing backwards when he was running through the guts just forward of centre half back made me think we had absolutely zero idea how to play this game.
Then early in the second quarter, Betts lays a tackle that spills the ball over the line and just his attack on the man I thought something would come of it. It's amazing how little acts can change the tone of the game and I reckon that was it.
Add Robinson and McLean and suddenly we were up and about and running hard for each other. That was the difference between the last three quarters and a number of weeks. Player far more willing to work hard and create options for one another instead of sitting there confuddled.
A great win, desperately needed and maybe it just gets the wheel turning in the right directions, setting us up for next year.
I like how much strength Menzel has through his hips. Usually a very good sign for a footballer.
As president of the Tom Bell fan club I refute the accusers attacks on his awareness and disposal......we need Bell in this team and the kid has not been given a fair go.
It was his body in the packs along with Robbo's aggression that provided the pathway for other players and stopped the Tigers mids from getting the footy and dominating the clearances. Sure he gave the ball back by foot a couple of times and Jackson dragged him down in the last 5 minutes but hey it would have been nice for one of his teammates to let him know he had to get rid off the ball.
He missed a tackle early as well when he tried to bump but he also shook Cotchin up with a nice hip and shoulder and stood up in a tackle to give the ball off for a Mclean goals I think it was...
Bell needs educating in the ones not this stupid play him one week, then drop him the next week and leave him in the NB's for a month or more....his awareness will only improve with game time.
Casboult looks to have won the battle for the tall forward/ruck spot...some difficult marks and his large frame was what was needed vs Maric.
Warnock did nothing around the groun but his ruckwork was ok and negated Maric.
Touhy blanketed Martin and continues his role as specialist goalkicker from 50m.........the big improver is Curnow ans he looks to have the mantle as No1 tagger.
Menzel.....classy player, only needs a few touches to have an impact.
Waite.....not really suited to CHB IMO but he battled on and I thought the commentators on Fox were harsh on him at times
Graham...came on and can sniff out the ball really well....lacks a bit of depth in his kicking but a promising player.
Yarran....topical player...not enough for me and ditto for Eddie.
Scotland and Simpson, both played well...leaders and you could see the win meant something to Scotland...
Jamison...good game on Reiwoldt..
McInnes..old fashioned defender and was ok
Hendo...gave us a target and competed well...
Armfield....ordinary early but given another tagging role and he responded...kicking is still very wonky though.
Mclean....nice game, looked composed, kicked goals that got us back in the game and one of our best.
Bootsma..had a shocker...everything he did turned to crape but there is something about the kid to like and we need to stick with him....
Robbo....played like a man on a mission and when the chips were down he was one of the few fighting on....good sign was he looked to handball a bit more and
he might be saving his career if he can keep that standard up.
Bell was doing a fair bit of grunt work in terms of spoiling and ball winning in the clinches, which I think we benefited from. He just needs to improve his disposal which lets him down atm. I'm confident that will get some focus as he's very useful to have around the clearances and contested ball situations.
Also let's the opposition know he's there - ask Cotchin.
Cookie...Glad to see you could see what I saw with Tom Bell....his big body is a must for the senior team.
Well... That was glorious.
I liked the output of Levi. Once he got in to the swing of it he was awesome. I think he will win the Rowe/Levi battle and should play every game hereon out.
Levi played on some decent defenders too.
On a sour note, poor Bootsma's confidence was shot after the first quarter and should never have been left one out with Jumping Jack.
Mitch played one of his best games for the club. Would be amazing if he was consistently like this.
Bell was doing a fair bit of grunt work in terms of spoiling and ball winning in the clinches, which I think we benefited from. He just needs to improve his disposal which lets him down atm. I'm confident that will get some focus as he's very useful to have around the clearances and contested ball situations.
Also let's the opposition know he's there - ask Cotchin.
Cookie...Glad to see you could see what I saw with Tom Bell....his big body is a must for the senior team.
I was critical in the game he looked slow. As you said he needs to be played regularly that will allow him to get up to speed with the pace at this level. In saying that I still reckon he needs to work on his disposal then again he isnt the Lone Ranger at Carlton in that department.
Happy 60th Birthday Mick and well done boys for giving us a win. Especially being 5 goal down in the first quarter.
Bell was doing a fair bit of grunt work in terms of spoiling and ball winning in the clinches, which I think we benefited from. He just needs to improve his disposal which lets him down atm. I'm confident that will get some focus as he's very useful to have around the clearances and contested ball situations.
Also let's the opposition know he's there - ask Cotchin.
Cookie...Glad to see you could see what I saw with Tom Bell....his big body is a must for the senior team.
No-one is suggesting he doesn't throw some weight around (hell, its the one facet of his game that I really like) but you have to question his intellect when he tried to clean-up Cotchin and came off second best.
He takes the wrong options and then to compound that, his disposal is weak. I noticed a number of times his kicks were either well short of the leading player or completely over their heads, there were kicks that went skew-iff off the boot straight to Tigers players.
Either our people are not good teachers/communicators or he is too dumb to pick it up because he keeps making the same errors.
I like how much strength Menzel has through his hips. Usually a very good sign for a footballer.
Another good sign... he kicks goals!
How's his possession per goal ratio going so far?
Bell was doing a fair bit of grunt work in terms of spoiling and ball winning in the clinches, which I think we benefited from. He just needs to improve his disposal which lets him down atm. I'm confident that will get some focus as he's very useful to have around the clearances and contested ball situations.
Also let's the opposition know he's there - ask Cotchin.
Cookie...Glad to see you could see what I saw with Tom Bell....his big body is a must for the senior team.
No-one is suggesting he doesn't throw some weight around (hell, its the one facet of his game that I really like) but you have to question his intellect when he tried to clean-up Cotchin and came off second best.
He takes the wrong options and then to compound that, his disposal is weak. I noticed a number of times his kicks were either well short of the leading player or completely over their heads, there were kicks that went skew-iff off the boot straight to Tigers players.
Either our people are not good teachers/communicators or he is too dumb to pick it up because he keeps making the same errors.
the guy has played 8 games give him some time to get used to the speed and game.
I like how much strength Menzel has through his hips. Usually a very good sign for a footballer.
Another good sign... he kicks goals!
How's his possession per goal ratio going so far?
He will be a gun nexr year!!
Bell was doing a fair bit of grunt work in terms of spoiling and ball winning in the clinches, which I think we benefited from. He just needs to improve his disposal which lets him down atm. I'm confident that will get some focus as he's very useful to have around the clearances and contested ball situations.
Also let's the opposition know he's there - ask Cotchin.
Cookie...Glad to see you could see what I saw with Tom Bell....his big body is a must for the senior team.
I was otherwise predisposed so I saw nothing. Guy on the train on the way home, who went to the game, said it was about time Bell was playing again as he did quite a bit today and offers us alot of the grunt we have been missing.
Just a couple of "little things"......
Henderson is a bit of a 'general' in that forward line....liked the way he was directing and instructing.
Bootsma had a shocker and will be lucky to survive the chop next week....but he's shown enough to suggest that with a bit of maturity and a couple of pre-seasons he could be an asset....what I did like was despite the fact he'd had a down day and been subbed he was clearly elated with the win and looked as though he felt a part of it post match.
I like how much strength Menzel has through his hips. Usually a very good sign for a footballer.
Another good sign... he kicks goals!
How's his possession per goal ratio going so far?
Gary Lyon was talking him up pregame saying without the lars and his brother's history he could have gone at pick #2.
I like how much strength Menzel has through his hips. Usually a very good sign for a footballer.
Another good sign... he kicks goals!
How's his possession per goal ratio going so far?
Gary Lyon was talking him up pregame saying without the lars and his brother's history he could have gone at pick #2.
At draft time there was speculation he would go pick 2-3 but also that he could slide.
He'll stay in the side from hereon in. Though, if we make the finals this year not sure if MM will back him in or not.
I like how much strength Menzel has through his hips. Usually a very good sign for a footballer.
Another good sign... he kicks goals!
How's his possession per goal ratio going so far?
I like Lars..lol.
Gary Lyon was talking him up pregame saying without the lars and his brother's history he could have gone at pick #2.
Gee we look so much better when we play at the home of football!
the guy has played 8 games give him some time to get used to the speed and game.
Menzel has played three and he isn't off the pace ??
Great win, one of the best in recent times, it was a pleasure to watch.
Our lesser lights got us over the line which is the best thing to happen for us all season.
Kudos to Tom Bell, not a lot of stats but he hit the contest hard and bruised a few Tigers in the process, blokes like him can change the attitude of the whole team.
Mitch was inspiring, we'll just have to accept the ragged skills because this bloke is the spirit of the team, Levi stood tall when it was required.
I'm one very happy Blue Boy tonight.
Kudos to Tom Bell, not a lot of stats but he hit the contest hard and bruised a few Tigers in the process, blokes like him can change the attitude of the whole team.
That's the key, sure his disposal needs sharpening up and he gets caught with it a bit but (when you're on the other team facing Tom) you know you're going to cop a few very hard whacks and dishing some back won't change that one iota....
What happened in the second was simply terrific, where it started and by whom is irrelevant - It was Robbo's kamikaze attack. >:D
Robert Warnock, here's a tip on how to play the ruck role by someone who never played ruck - try looking at the ball instead of the opposition ruckman at a centre bounce, you may get your hand a little closer to it if you do. Does anyone else do it (other than Kreuzer)? If not, who taught our ruckmen to do it? Apart from the blankets Tuohy and Curnow, I though Warnock was our only winner in the 1/4 and he kept on giving.
8 goals to 3 in the first quarter was a telling sign, they placed us under pressure and forced skills errors, we tried to rough them up a little (eg. Robinson V Martin) but it had little effect on them.
What happened in the second was simply terrific, where it started and by whom is irrelevant, the fact that it happened shows that they are capable of matching it with the other teams in the eight if they want to be switched on and committed to each other.
Fighting gritty third quarter saw us hit the front quickly with a goal by McLean and then a goal after the siren from Casboult put us back in front at 3/4 time.
The things we did so very well in the 2nd & 3rd quarters which got us into the game and kept us in it started to dissipate halfway through the last, was it fatigue or a lack of faith in themselves ??
The Tigers were always going to throw the kitchen sink at us in the last so we needed to brace ourselves and confront their sustained attack. I felt that even though we knew they were coming at us, we started to fumble and make it harder for ourselves than we needed to. As it turned out, the longer the quarter went, the more the Tigers panicked as a result of the scoreboard pressure.
I'm still trying to understand how Maric was able to sneak forward on a number of occasions, take marks inside the 50m arc, kick goals from close range too. His mark & goal late in the last kept them in touch and a chance.
Menzel could of probably sealed it with 4mins to play when he had a relatively easy shot on the run from 35m out and missed everything. As an oddball parallel universe happening, Casboult kicked one off the ground to us 15 points up with 3.5mins to play.
Yarran, the player all Blues supporters get a woodie over, from 20m out on the run missed what would of been a certain sealer 30secs later. #badkarma
Ended up with a solid win and one that puts a smile on everyone's face especially after the crap they served up the past few weeks.
The young guys are the future now, that was the most obvious thing to come out of the match for me today, leave them in the seniors to learn the caper.
Did anyone see a Carlton team-mate go and give Menzel a pat on the back for getting back on his own and diving to touch the ball right on the line when to prevent a Tigers goal in the first ?? Didn't see to many say 'well done' when he kicked that terrific goal in traffic moments later too. #gonnabegood
Robert Warnock, here's a tip on how to play the ruck role by someone who never played ruck - try looking at the ball instead of the opposition ruckman at a centre bounce, you may get your hand a little closer to it if you do. #useless
Was Bootsma on Riewoldt part of a long-term development strategy or was it purely through necessity ?? #scratchinghead
Hey Bryce, feel free to actually tackle the Tiger player with the ball, standing a metre away flapping your arms like a seagull just doesn't cut it anymore. #exposed
Mitch Robinson's second quarter was the most devastating he has ever played, in fact, if he could constantly play with that level of disciplined intensity, non-one would ever doubt him. #trainthebrain
Eddie Betts, the smallest player on the field tried to take Mark of the Century by climbing high on Astbury's back only to give away a free kick. #playthepercentages
Nick Graham looked like he was meant to be there, just needs to kick through the ball instead of those that went flat & low. #thathaircutisrad
Tom Bell is dumb, pure and simple, made too many errors and bad decisions under pressure. Brute force with a lack of polish & general awareness will see him ousted from the club. #wicrapwasntso
McInnes looks like such a calm & reliable player now, resembles an old style cool Blues defender. #partofthefuture. Really like what he offers and disappointed that I ever doubted him. #nooneisperfect
Can we get Dr. Frankenstein to join Gibbs' kicking ability with Casboult's great pack marking to create the perfect player ?? #tellhimhesdreaming
Jarrod Waite playing as a permanent defender was the balancing act we need to keep Henderson up forward. #goodcoaching #rightthingtodo
Josh Bootsma, please sprint at the ball when it is well in front of you, don't lope along so your opponent can catch up to you. #worrying
Think you were a little harsh there, Sheik. I was very pleased with Warnock's game on Maric. Maric has been in good form and he didn't take a mark against Warnock. He did take some marks against our defenders, but that is another story.
On the other hand, I think you were pretty merciful on Bootsma: he had a day he would like to forget. I wouldn't be playing him until he:
[1] Spent a long time in the gym getting 10 kg of muscle on him.
[2] Let him play on the wing for a while, to get his confidence up. He can defeat many guys in aerial contests: he has more spoils than anyone else at the club. But when he first got a game, he marked the ball, he attacked the ball and he kicked it to advantage. He does none of these at senior level at the moment. We risk setting him back a LONG way by sacrificing him like we did today. Play Laidler or Duigan or anyone who is physically ready.
What happened in the second was simply terrific, where it started and by whom is irrelevant - It was Robbo's kamikaze attack. >:D
Robert Warnock, here's a tip on how to play the ruck role by someone who never played ruck - try looking at the ball instead of the opposition ruckman at a centre bounce, you may get your hand a little closer to it if you do. Does anyone else do it (other than Kreuzer)? If not, who taught our ruckmen to do it? Apart from the blankets Tuohy and Curnow, I though Warnock was our only winner in the 1/4 and he kept on giving.
I agree totally. I was very happy with Warnock.
I have no idea why Kreuzer or Warnock look at the man before looking at the ball, but I think it isn't good. However, until we have a ruck coach who changes the way they look at things, they will still do it.
No issue about Bootsma, he needs to spend a whole season in the Reserves & the gym, he is going to be a shattered player if they keep playing him on bigger & more experienced opponents like Riewoldt.
Warnock annoyed me, 85% of his taps went to the Tigers players or at his feet.
Must admit I thought Warnock went OK today. I didn't exactly study his game but when I did notice him he looked like he was going well, even with some of his work on the ground, around the ground, second efforts etc.
Dare I say it, Kreuz will have to work to win his spot back!
Gee I love the big CAS!. Really not sure why people have had Rowe ahead of him. He actually works really hard up and down the ground, isnt as slow as you might think, very powerful, and off course a great pair of hands. Yes the kicking is poor. That can be fixed with hard work.
Thought we had no hope pre-game, so you can imagine what I was thinking sitting there @ quarter time....I seriously thought I'd be heading home at half-time. Where that 2nd quarter came from I don't know, but it was glorious. For mine, Mick performed one of the better in-game coaching performances I've seen in all my years as a Carlton supporter. The cause looked totally & utterly lost at quarter time, as we butchered the ball, were horribly unaccountable, couldn't win a clearance to save ourselves, Bootsma....it was a nightmare, but credit where credit's due; Mick's coaching from quarter time onwards was the stuff of legend. Every single move he made paid off & whatever was said to the playing group, they attacked the contest with a totally different mindset thereafter.
I think it showed that we simply had too many negative blokes in the team....every team needs at least a couple, but our lopsided count of 5-6 at times in the recent past was totally counter-productive to our cause. Today (after quarter time of course) there was an attacking flare we haven't seen for a while, as the likes of Curnow, Armfield & Tuohy quietly went about destroying their major ball winners, but doing damage the other way themselves. I thought it was Curnow's best game for the Club, his past month has been very, very, good to be honest. Just 6 possessions for clearly 1st quarter B.O.G. Ellis after quarter time; take a bow Dennis & just a putrid 10 possessions for Martin & a goal against; take a bow Zach on his 50th game.
It was the ultimate team performance, with no clear standout, but a lot of blokes who did a lot of good things often.
So, can we all agree that Casboult is the man, relegating Rowe to forever being just a depth player? Can you imagine Rowe taking 2 colossal, match-winning pack marks in the goalsquare that Levi took late in the 3rd? Not a chance in hell. Levi is a monster - he's almost the immovable object in a pack situation & there were a couple of other pack grabs he just couldn't hang on to for long enough, his back-up ruckwork was also sound. Loved his game.
Murphy wasn't dominant by any stretch, but he had a fair dinkum crack today & was there when needed. Loved Bryce's game in attack-mode, with 2 classy goals. He's so much more valuable to us forward of centre imo & was his best game since the Hawthorn game. Bell's an interesting one; his first half was messy, but his second half was actually a lot more effective, ditto Walker - who's first half was horrible, but his second half was a vast improvement.
Big Robbie; still not a lot around the ground, but ruckwork much better after quarter time & Maric wasn't the dominant force as he has been recently. Hendo kicked 3 goals & his general forward play was good, he's so good in the air or on the ground, you always feels as though something positive is gonna happen when he's dictating the play. Waite was so-so, loved the move of him into defence, but thought he misread the ball poorly a couple of times, wasn't too bad though in a position he hasn't played for about 3 years.
Best game from Jamo for quite some time, which was pleasing, as he generally looked to be brimming with confidence today. Bootsma....yikes - forgettable in every sense of the word & what Mick was thinking starting him on Riewoldt - cost us 3 goals & that's not exaggerating. Another typical Simmo game - which is of quality & a goal, nice work & McInnes once again shows that he's clearly part of our best 22.
Eddie.....nup, not for me, whilst Yarran wasn't too bad, although his kicking is still a major concern......somehow we were all fooled into thinking he was an elite kick, when this is so far from the truth, that it's not the least bit amusing. Geez, Menzel has just got that something special about him hasn't he? His last quarter was the most influential quarter he's played, he just looks super-dangerous when he's got the ball in his hands & has booked himself another appearance next week. Nick Graham totally looked the part out there (despite the ridiculous haircut) & will richly benefit from senior footy over the next 2 weeks.
As a couple of others have mentioned - at game's end, the win clearly meant a lot to Scotland (who played a very solid game)....and I reckon it's the clearest sign yet that he'll be pulling the pin come year's end - as this time last week, a lot of us didn't think we'd win another game this year.....we did & Scotland was really celebrating it.
Just an awesome win I did not see coming in my wildest dreams before the game & especially at quarter time. Brilliant team effort, brilliant coaching....the door is still ajar for season 2013.
I haven't watched the game. Trent Cotchin a season low 14 touches? Ed Curnow?
An interesting post match interview by Timmy of Brock. Brock was saying that we allowed the Tigers to spread to freely outside of the stoppages and that gave them the space to be very damaging. After Qtr time that was seriously tightened up which effectively shut down their run and creativity. Good coaching indeed!
Gee I love the big CAS!. Really not sure why people have had Rowe ahead of him. He actually works really hard up and down the ground, isnt as slow as you might think, very powerful, and off course a great pair of hands. Yes the kicking is poor. That can be fixed with hard work.
Always a nice surprise to see someone taking a pack mark anywhere but close to goal from a long bomb has been a rarity for a long time.
Waite needs to be play in defence, I prefer him there, always have.
I haven't watched the game. Trent Cotchin a season low 14 touches? Ed Curnow?
you better believe it
Well, I wasn't expecting that and I actually tipped the Tigers in my footy tipping competition :-[
It was great to see Robbo back to his best and the defence looked more capable with Waite in the mix.
My glass is half full again ;)
Waite needs to be play in defence, I prefer him there, always have.
Likewise... we need his brilliant reading of the play down back and extroverted confidence to effect the others...
does anyone have stats on win % when judd is not playing?
Waite needs to be play in defence, I prefer him there, always have.
Likewise... we need his brilliant reading of the play down back and extroverted confidence to effect the others...
Definitely X3!
We looked a lot better with him there today.
does anyone have stats on win % when judd is not playing?
Carlton 2008-2013
With Judd 62 Wins 60 Losses 1 Draw
Without Judd 8 Wins 3 Losses 0 Draw
So I make that 50% Win with Judd, 72% without
Gee we learned a lot about our blokes today... a lot. We also learned about our coaching.
No matter which way you bend it, positive or negative, today's win showed character... and some good moves and faith from the coaching panel.
Moves & Faith - not to panic and move Hendo into defence. Whoever chose Waite to defence and not Hendo should be given a medal. Everything was right about Waite into defence.
Curnow to kurb Cotchin... in fact he took him to the cleaners.
Armfield to Ellils... goodnight Ellis.
Zackery to Martin... Martin's contract negotiations now in Tiggers favour.
In my summary of the VFL game last week I commented that I thought Robbo was among the best (though not so according the 'official' best). I did so because I watched closely how he would respond to be demoted and then play. His attitude was great and I thought his 'discipline' in terms of 'role' was so much better than for a long while. He brought that to the MCG today and I am thrilled for him that he is learning how to channel his considerable energy and passion (and developing skills).
(a few of us on here have always thought that Waite is better in defence, but understood that due to slim pickings up forward he was heavily relied upon to present himself up there... the pickins aint so slim now... please keep Waitey in defence to support Jammo - who (Jammo), regardless of what other may thing, is doing a sensational job.)
Heath Scotland must play on.
We responded and then played so well without Juddy, Kreuz, Carrots, Gartlett...
On the negative side... We were better when Meat was in the ruck (206 has poor 2nd, 3rd etc efforts).
Yaz was good only in a few bursts off half back. Is not a forward. If he is to stay, it will be as a half back.
Whoever decided to play Boots (regardless of opponent) is dreaming. This kid can only chase, spoil and negate. He has no offensive skills. Send him back home to his family, please.
Eddie, to me, is about the first bloke we should trade.
...... - who (Jammo), regardless of what other may thing, is doing a sensational job.)
No he has not been, seriously - have you only started watching us this week?
Whilst not in any way trying to take the gloss off what was a terrific win, I feel that this has only served to paper over the cracks and lull us into a false sense of security once again.
For the past month, we have been served up a heap of tripe from the team with many people on this forum being scathing of individual efforts and the like.
They can't be complete spuds when we lose and superstars when we win, it's one or the other regardless of the result and for that reason alone, we still have a long way to go before our list is ready to challenge for a flag.
Gee we learned a lot about our blokes today... a lot. We also learned about our coaching.
No matter which way you bend it, positive or negative, today's win showed character... and some good moves and faith from the coaching panel.
That's the problem though...this weeks was full of character......last weeks was not.
And for that inconsistency they have to cop a rocket.
....and we are entitled to ask why?
It's not like they're an inexperienced group of youngsters, there are a few but there are also quite a few 100 gamers there.
Whilst not in any way trying to take the gloss off what was a terrific win, I feel that this has only served to paper over the cracks and lull us into a false sense of security once again.
For the past month, we have been served up a heap of tripe from the team with many people on this forum being scathing of individual efforts and the like.
They can't be complete spuds when we lose and superstars when we win, it's one or the other regardless of the result and for that reason alone, we still have a long way to go before our list is ready to challenge for a flag.
Understand where you are coming from... 11 years of abject failure breeds cynicism. But, for me, today said something.
Today we won when we should have lost. Why?
In fact we were gone at qtr time. Many of us and commentators were predicting a 100 pt + blowout. But we pulled back the deficit and won... how come? We've not be able to do that for a very long time. Well, you gotta see the glimmer... could it be the newbies and at last, boldness from the MC...
Meat is a far better forward/ruck option than Rowey. He may have been the difference (so encouraging when a forward marks and kicks goals!!!!!!!!)
Menzel must play out the season. As must Dinger, Meat, the Nick and McInnes. I really believe it was the belief, enthusiasm and raw ability of these blokes that helped lift the older blokes in that last qtr.
On the subject of the kids...
...although Menzel fades in and out, when he fades in he really does do damage. And I implore you to watch replays of the 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc efforts of Menzel... this kid, when in the contest, does not want to surrender. (Yazz could learn much from this bloke).
Dinger: yep he got caught and it looked really pathetic, but where were his team mates letting him know he was 'hot'... dam introverts! We should not underestimate his endeavour when the real win/lose heat was on and how his crunch on Cotchin lifted his team mates.
Nick Graham: slotted in nicely. Picked up around 10 disposals in a qtr and a bit of footy. This, with having to wait as the sub, says something about the kids temperament. Remember, this fella was the Skipper of Gippy... leadership potential. Also remember that MM says he is about the last to leave after training... wants to improve himself and commits big time.
McInnes: gotta understand that this bloke has not had a proper pre season and has only just gotten back, yet shows the attitude you want in a defender. Love his dash of mongrel.
Meat: So frustrating that he starts slowly. Sort of bloke who needs to ruck from the get-go. Gets all cylinders firing. And when they're firing his marking ability is second to none. As mentioned above, he is a far better option than Rowey. Remember... he's only played 13 games - these big blokes do take longer.
Scotto must play next year.
Sorry, Ye Sheikness, but today we got a glimpse. We looked like a side that was determined to win( without Juddy, Carrots, Kreuz...etc).
Apart from Betts, Warnock and Yarran... all the other blokes on the paddock absorbed the heat and withstood the pressure to prevail... even though we were fading (fitness) at the end.
Proud to be a BlueBagger today... but we have a long, long way to go.
Whilst not in any way trying to take the gloss off what was a terrific win, I feel that this has only served to paper over the cracks and lull us into a false sense of security once again.
For the past month, we have been served up a heap of tripe from the team with many people on this forum being scathing of individual efforts and the like.
They can't be complete spuds when we lose and superstars when we win, it's one or the other regardless of the result and for that reason alone, we still have a long way to go before our list is ready to challenge for a flag.
Agree...Richmond are still midpack material IMO and have played above themselves including that win over Hawthorn, we were enthused by youth tonight and the MC got the selections right.
I picked us to win because we had what we needed in the team to beat the Tigers but thats not going to cut it vs the good teams.....eg Waite to CHB isnt a long term option....
The effort from our kids was promising though and if we can continue to play them we may get to hwere we want to go quicker than expected with a good coach like Malthouse....
Was absolutely fantastic to watch Casboult dominate the forward 50 in the second half today - he should not have been dropped for Rowe on the first place and he certainly should not have suffered the indignity of having to play VFL for as long as he has. I still think that we should use him exclusively as a CHF or FF, working in tandem with Henderson or Waite - he's so dangerous down there.
But what about the Bootsma to Riewoldt match-up??? How can you possibly go through a whole week of planning and decide that it would be a good idea putting skinny Bootsma on Jack? He was never ever going to be strong enough and it could have cost us dearly.
Liked the look of Graham and Tuohy's continued improvement is very exciting to watch.
Mclean surprised me today.
Just watching the replay.
FMD we got crucified in the first half.
How did Betts not get that free directly in front when Martin Sean dived into his back?
I was one of few who called this as a certain victory.
Going with Sheik, its an indictment on our playing group when I can get a feel for when they are going to show up and play, and everyone in the footy world has written them off. Allowing the Tigers to kick half a winning score in a quarter is a further shame and they should enjoy the victory but there were some very hard lessons to learn today.
We lifted for a "grand final". We will more than likely repeat the effort next week, and capitulate entirely the following just when we start building soe momentum. It actually mirrors our in game performances.
Its so predictable. I know this team better than it knows itself.
When Brock, interviewed after the game, commented that this was about the best WIN of the season... that told me a lot about the group, and the Senior Coach.
...and about the decision to make 5 changes. In the words of Goethe... 'boldness has genius, magic and power in it'... understand, MM? Your '2nd string' midfield and kids delivered an unlikely win... an impressive win. You can be a stubborn 60 (this is what has always worked) or be an OF who dares to dream of wise, but bold change.
Well I tipped us to win !! ;D Not with any confidence, but I did !!
I watched the game down the pub with a bunch of Richmond supporters, I was not a happy camper at qtr time. >:(
Bootsma is simply nor ready yet for AFL footy, another pre-season and some extra kg's and he should be worth another go.
I thought everone else contributed for 3 qtr's of good footy and thats what got us over the line.
Happy birthday to MM, who I thought also coached well for 3 qtr's.
Nice to see Gibbs play forward (where he should be ;) ) A valuable contributor.
How much time does McLean actually spend in the middle? I only ever seem to see him in the forward 50, where he seems to go quite well so it's not a huge issue.
Another great job by Curnow, Armfield also seems to play better when given a job to mind someone.
Did Touhy play in the midfield to mind Martin? that's another step forward for him. I love his long goals !!
Hopefully a good win against the Bummer next week, and then we'll see how much we really want to play finals when we meet Port (for what should be a cracker) the week after.
Go Blues !!!
Sorry, Ye Sheikness, but today we got a glimpse. We looked like a side that was determined to win( without Juddy, Carrots, Kreuz...etc).
No need to apologise for having an opinion Baggers even if it is different to mine.
However, how many times have we seen that sort of comment written only to see hopes dashed not long after ?? They build you up and then smash you down just as quickly.
The list just isn't good enough to go all the way and our players aren't mentally tough enough collectively.
Gee we learned a lot about our blokes today... a lot. We also learned about our coaching.
No matter which way you bend it, positive or negative, today's win showed character... and some good moves and faith from the coaching panel.
That's the problem though...this weeks was full of character......last weeks was not.
And for that inconsistency they have to cop a rocket.
....and we are entitled to ask why?
It's not like they're an inexperienced group of youngsters, there are a few but there are also quite a few 100 gamers there.
I would have liked to see them stay on the ground as a group after the match and cop a spray of reality from the guys who can hold there heads up high this season (Hendo and Brock ) and just ram it home that this is how we need to play every f@#king week. No more soft c0ck footy, no more me before team, play for the jumper or pi$$ off!!! Because we're just as likely to come out next week against the "pin cushion, lying, cheating, amino sucking cowboys" and fold like a deck of cards.
Good win
Great comments by you guys
Sheik said .
The list just isn't good enough to go all the way and our players aren't mentally tough enough collectively.
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Dead right Sheik , but that will come . Look at the improvement in Fremantle now that they are used to the Ross Lyon game plan .
Freo looked ordinary until this season .
Whilst not in any way trying to take the gloss off what was a terrific win, I feel that this has only served to paper over the cracks and lull us into a false sense of security once again.
For the past month, we have been served up a heap of tripe from the team with many people on this forum being scathing of individual efforts and the like.
They can't be complete spuds when we lose and superstars when we win, it's one or the other regardless of the result and for that reason alone, we still have a long way to go before our list is ready to challenge for a flag.
Good post Sheik, only thing I'd change is.
we still have a long way to go before our list club is ready to challenge for a flag.
Bell was doing a fair bit of grunt work in terms of spoiling and ball winning in the clinches, which I think we benefited from. He just needs to improve his disposal which lets him down atm. I'm confident that will get some focus as he's very useful to have around the clearances and contested ball situations.
Also let's the opposition know he's there - ask Cotchin.
Cookie...Glad to see you could see what I saw with Tom Bell....his big body is a must for the senior team.
No-one is suggesting he doesn't throw some weight around (hell, its the one facet of his game that I really like) but you have to question his intellect when he tried to clean-up Cotchin and came off second best.
His "intellect" was spot on. He was laying a block for the player who was competing with Cotchin for the ball. As well as us winning the ball he sent a message. Perfect if you ask me and something that not many in the current side would do.
Sheik said .
The list just isn't good enough to go all the way and our players aren't mentally tough enough collectively.
Dead right Sheik , but that will come . Look at the improvement in Fremantle now that they are used to the Ross Lyon game plan .
Freo looked ordinary until this season .
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freo already had a good list
the only additions were pierce and dawson
Didn't see the game but reading what is on here it sounds like quite a few of MMs favourites might not get a game anymore.
MM seemed to be out of his comfort zone with the team selections, playing a lot of the newbies. Then in the 2nd qtr throwing caution to the wind and with nothing to lose makes some master stroke coaching decisions. The old master finally earning his money. Did I see a picture of him smiling with the boys? Very rare!
Players playing in diff positions, gee it would seem maybe we do have the right players but not in the right combination?
We need Bell with his size, we need Gibbs to be an attacker, we need Waite in defence, we need Meat up front, we need Yaz at half back.... All this and more.
So we don't need a rebuild just a top up to plugs holes and give us depth IMO. ;D
Bootsma reminds me of the young Zac Dawson - remember when he was played on Big Bad Bustling Bazza? Seeing him on Jack yesterday brought that to mind.
Good to hear Hardwick after the game.
He rates Carlton highly, different end to a few lose games, they would be in the top four!
Of course we are not ready for the Top Four, but a little bit extra and we would be competitive.
Casboult is great. wonderful if he could be a swing player, take a shot at CHB as well!
We could easily make the eight, but I am more interested in seeking New Faces. Would love to see O'Keefe star today. had a rotten time with injuries and may yet prove his worth.
Of course, I was the bloke condemning Brock! Now trying to be less Judgmental!
Bootsma reminds me of the young Zac Dawson - remember when he was played on Big Bad Bustling Bazza? Seeing him on Jack yesterday brought that to mind.
I reckon Boots has a little more going for him than Dawson did but that's not saying much. Dawson despite his frame is quite strong, that's what holds him in good stead amongst the league's best forwards. Boots seems to be very weak (not in his approach but strength wise).
@PI2C
Yes a few of us now have said Boots needs to spend a bit more time on the weights!
Correct! A Big fast Boots! Wow!
Just on Warnock, I thought he actually did a bit more than usual in the tackling and throwing his weight around yesterday. I think his problem is that he is too nice a bloke, if he lifted his agression level a bit he would do alot better.
I also think yesterday's game showed alot about what MM wants from his team, that is you need to be able to play anywhere, anytime, anyplace. Yes you will have your structural elements in place but when you are called on to do a certain job for the team, you must respond to the task not sook up and go to water. I think many did this yesterday.
@PI2C
Yes a few of us now have said Boots needs to spend a bit more time on the weights!
or at my place, Mrs G2C will fatten him up don't you worry about that.
waite and Henderson in the forward line - The backline needs to be shored up, a decision needs to be made. Mick chooses waite. Its clear MM sees hendo as a forward here on in
@PI2C
Yes a few of us now have said Boots needs to spend a bit more time on the weights!
Problem being cookie he's an ectomorph and ectomorphs find it very hard to put on weight. I think he'll always be quite skinny, especially when you consider how much running these blokes do. It will be nearly impossible for him to put on decent size. Some ectomorphs (Zac Dawson) have great inner strength. Boots doesn't seem to have it.
@PI2C
Yes a few of us now have said Boots needs to spend a bit more time on the weights!
Send him to Windy Hill for preseason. ;D
Haven't seen the second half yet but we get back into this game because of an aggressive and positive on ball brigade.
Not Judd, Murph and three taggers.
Makes it hard because the oppostition actually have to worry about more than shutting down one player.
Easily Eddies best half for the year.
We won this in the midfield that was outstanding yesterday. Right mix
Of ball winning, defence and Attack and thought Murphy led the midfield mix from the front. Was his best game for the year.
@PI2C
Yes a few of us now have said Boots needs to spend a bit more time on the weights!
Problem being cookie he's an ectomorph and ectomorphs find it very hard to put on weight. I think he'll always be quite skinny,
Perhaps, but his body does have an uncanny resemblance to a young Robert Walls. If he fails to bulk up he could do worse than watch some old video of Lappin.
@PI2C
Oh to be an ectomorph then mate! Eat what you like, drink what you like and don't stack on the kgs.
Like the comparisons of Boots to young Walls or Lappin - wouldn't that be good. I do have some confidence that he'll work out sooner or later - hopefully sooner, like next year.
Great win and no point repeating what has already been so accurately reported. BUT really thought this was one of Brock's best games ever! Definately turned it for us in the 2nd and continued on thereafter to be clearly our best player.
Well done Brock!
Bootsma's game yesterday bordered on embarrassing, select him again when he puts together a string of good games at the lower level.
Graham and Bell earned their selections, he should do the same.
waite and Henderson in the forward line - The backline needs to be shored up, a decision needs to be made. Mick chooses waite. Its clear MM sees hendo as a forward here on in
Waite cannot play in the forward line, he has to be either on a wing as a running linkman or in defence where he is made accountable for an opposition player.
waite and Henderson in the forward line - The backline needs to be shored up, a decision needs to be made. Mick chooses waite. Its clear MM sees hendo as a forward here on in
Waite cannot play in the forward line, he has to be either on a wing as a running linkman or in defence where he is made accountable for an opposition player.
Waite doesn't appear very fit tbh, not surprising given his interrupted season.....?
When the ball went into our back half, I thought the Waite/Jamison combination was very reassuring. Never felt like there was going to be some dumb turnover resulting in a give-away goal.
A move to defense may well help Waite's crumbling body by not having someone smashing into his back at every marking duel on the forward line, and the Hendo/Waite switch would always be available if needed.
Finally, I have not seen a big Carlton forward take marks in the goalsquare like that since the days of Kernahan. We need someone to spend six months with Levi (a la Stewart Loewe) teaching him how to reproduce a straight kick and he will be a gem. Without a doubt the best hands in the club. Remember, he has only played 14 games. (Give him a decent number, too!).
@PI2C
Yes a few of us now have said Boots needs to spend a bit more time on the weights!
Problem being cookie he's an ectomorph and ectomorphs find it very hard to put on weight. I think he'll always be quite skinny, especially when you consider how much running these blokes do. It will be nearly impossible for him to put on decent size. Some ectomorphs (Zac Dawson) have great inner strength. Boots doesn't seem to have it.
I was a real ectomorph until my middle age, then I un-ectmorphed every quickly putting on 25kg in about 5 years. That's alot of muscle!!!! lol.
waite and Henderson in the forward line - The backline needs to be shored up, a decision needs to be made. Mick chooses waite. Its clear MM sees hendo as a forward here on in
Waite cannot play in the forward line, he has to be either on a wing as a running linkman or in defence where he is made accountable for an opposition player.
I can but more as a 3rd running tall adding to what we have there already. Can see him on the wing, ala Richo at the end of his career, where he would be very damaging, or in defence too. With Watson out he'll probably be in defence for the rest of the year. Actually miss Watson. He's turned into a handy player in the seniors. Struggled to play many good games in the VFL, hardly played a bad one in the AFL. Dunno how that works but with him being in the side it gives us more flexibility with the likes of Waite.
I said to a mate before the game started that we are horribly out of form, lost a lot of players through injury, including JUDD and the tiggers are essentially the opposite - in form, fit and firing.
As a result there is absolutely no logical reason why we should even come close to them.....and thats why i tipped us.
It makes no sense, yet perfect sense. Expect the unexpected with us.
Bombers are are going into an irrecoverable nose dive and we have turned things around playing the best game for the year. All signs look good for us....so we will probably lose. :???:
That being said, we were great yesterday and had very few passengers on the day. Everyone put in and worked well as a TEAM. If we continue to do that, then we will embarrass quite a few supposed quality teams.
Special mention to Curnow who will mostly go unnoticed for his terrific efforts on Cotchin. Flogged him.
Plenty of other winners across the board, but think it started with him.
@PI2C
Yes a few of us now have said Boots needs to spend a bit more time on the weights!
Problem being cookie he's an ectomorph and ectomorphs find it very hard to put on weight. I think he'll always be quite skinny, especially when you consider how much running these blokes do. It will be nearly impossible for him to put on decent size. Some ectomorphs (Zac Dawson) have great inner strength. Boots doesn't seem to have it.
I was a real ectomorph until my middle age, then I un-ectmorphed every quickly putting on 25kg in about 5 years. That's alot of muscle!!!! lol.
Lol yeah I guess the ecto endos in the long run (no pun intended)!
I said to a mate before the game started that we are horribly out of form, lost a lot of players through injury, including JUDD and the tiggers are essentially the opposite - in form, fit and firing.
As a result there is absolutely no logical reason why we should even come close to them.....and thats why i tipped us.
It makes no sense, yet perfect sense. Expect the unexpected with us.
Bombers are are going into an irrecoverable nose dive and we have turned things around playing the best game for the year. All signs look good for us....so we will probably lose. :???:
That being said, we were great yesterday and had very few passengers on the day. Everyone put in and worked well as a TEAM. If we continue to do that, then we will embarrass quite a few supposed quality teams.
Special mention to Curnow who will mostly go unnoticed for his terrific efforts on Cotchin. Flogged him.
Plenty of other winners across the board, but think it started with him.
Don't think it went unnoticed, K.RUDDS, media singing his praises today. Did a bit the other way as well, just to rubb salt into the Crotch.
Thanks the the baggers who gave their all yesterday. Fair to say my son's first trip to the G was one to remember O0
Great team effort after 1/4 time. You guys have covered it all but I'll give my special mentions to 2E, Curnow, Robbo, Brock & the Bolt. Oh, and Boots should not play again until next year - he looks skinnier in person than on TV. :o
What happened in the second was simply terrific, where it started and by whom is irrelevant - It was Robbo's kamikaze attack. >:D
Robert Warnock, here's a tip on how to play the ruck role by someone who never played ruck - try looking at the ball instead of the opposition ruckman at a centre bounce, you may get your hand a little closer to it if you do. Does anyone else do it (other than Kreuzer)? If not, who taught our ruckmen to do it? Apart from the blankets Tuohy and Curnow, I though Warnock was our only winner in the 1/4 and he kept on giving.
I think Capuano needs to be held to account for teaching our ruckmen this shocking habit.
I beleive Warnock will be a gun. He is still growing into his body, and he still needs to learn how to mark, but today showed a snippet of what he can do. He rag dolled Maric at stages. It could end up being a very good trade.
Don't just look short term at this guy.
What happened in the second was simply terrific, where it started and by whom is irrelevant - It was Robbo's kamikaze attack. >:D
Robert Warnock, here's a tip on how to play the ruck role by someone who never played ruck - try looking at the ball instead of the opposition ruckman at a centre bounce, you may get your hand a little closer to it if you do. Does anyone else do it (other than Kreuzer)? If not, who taught our ruckmen to do it? Apart from the blankets Tuohy and Curnow, I though Warnock was our only winner in the 1/4 and he kept on giving.
I think Capuano needs to be held to account for teaching our ruckmen this shocking habit.
I beleive Warnock will be a gun. He is still growing into his body, and he still needs to learn how to mark, but today showed a snippet of what he can do. He rag dolled Maric at stages. It could end up being a very good trade.
Don't just look short term at this guy.
Well hopefully someone offers us a 1st round pick for him then. ;)
Did Touhy play in the midfield to mind Martin? that's another step forward for him. I love his long goals !!
Touhy had him all over the field from wing to fullback and kept him quiet with the exception of one strong body-on-body mark
Did Touhy play in the midfield to mind Martin? that's another step forward for him. I love his long goals !!
Touhy had him all over the field from wing to fullback and kept him quiet with the exception of one strong body-on-body mark
Cheers RR, thats a big tick for Touhy to be able to play a full game through the midfield, I wonder how often he will get more gigs through there?
Have been watching the reply, a few of the centre square set ups were interesting (when we had our tails up in the 2nd and 3rd. Warnock, McLean, Curnow and Bell. Week after week under Ratts that was the centre square set up for the NB's. Not having a pot at Ratts, just saying.
Curnow was great yesterday.
He gets potted on here regularly but one of the things I like best about him is he is a team player, he always goes to guys to say well done, or to stand with a team mate when the opposition are goading them - we are screaming out for guys that do this, I think it's really important.
He never gets upset either just sticks at the task.... No silly frees. Works very hard on being the link when we have the ball as well. Ps if people think bell is not in our best 22 they are blinded. I am sick of being the team that gets beaten up every week. Last week against the dogs robbo and dinger would have been very nice.... Smashing into Cooney and griffin.
Bell has a way to go IMO, needs more senior time, really should have been playing all year and he may have improved by now.
Bell has a way to go IMO, needs more senior time, really should have been playing all year and he may have improved by now.
Midfield looks so much harder with Robbo and Bell in it.
Bell is a budding enforcer - we need his presence IMO.
Bell has a way to go IMO, needs more senior time, really should have been playing all year and he may have improved by now.
I would be very happy if we can hang on to him. I can't believe that he hasn't been in the side all year. Guys with that size, tank and aggression are rare. Sure his skills need work, but that means he only has size and aggression over all our other mids.
I didn't get to watch the game (saw the last 10mins though ;D)...
How'd Waite go down in defence? I heard the commentators praising his game on the radio, haven't heard much about him on here though :-\
I didn't get to watch the game (saw the last 10mins though ;D)...
How'd Waite go down in defence? I heard the commentators praising his game on the radio, haven't heard much about him on here though :-\
Was very good IMO. Should remain there. Jamo seemed to relish having a senior bloke to help settle the back six.
Waite looms as a more threatening option in defence. Prances around like a big cat who knows how to read the ball coming in better than many forwards and has the ability to be a real attacking player when the ball gets in his hands.