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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Last post by LP -
Quote from: DJC on
Our defence issues are directly related to our inefficient forward line.
Agreed, it's not the entire problem but it's a large contributing factor.

If you are going to frequently turn it over in F50 and keep missing gettable shots eventually the defence breaks down at the other end of the ground, simply because they are continually under pressure while the opposition are gaining confidence.

Wasted opportunities build pressure and destroy confidence all over the ground.

Hurt the Handbaggers on the scoreboard, and they are the ones feeling the heat going the other way.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Last post by DJC -
Our defence issues are directly related to our inefficient forward line.  We should have outscored Geelong on Saturday but gave up five goals to their rebounds from defence.

More goals per forward 50 entries and more defensive pressure inside our forward 50 and our defence will be fine.

Yes, we’re missing Saady and Gov but Fog’s absence is probably more significant.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Last post by PaulP -
I'd say the defensive issues are mostly personnel related. We were 4th in points against last season. With 16 injuries including Fogarty, Docherty, Saad, McGovern, Martin, Cerra etc. we are struggling. Those are big outs. The "next man up" mantra only takes you so far, eventually you reach a tipping point where the b graders and top ups cannot do the job required over 4 quarters, week in week out. I was expecting those injuries to have a greater impact than they have, although the dam wall may burst later if we don't get those guys back
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Last post by townsendcalling -
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I don’t see that at all.  Young’s contested possessions and spoils are comparable with  Weitering’s and Kemp’s and his teammates don’t hesitate to give him the ball if he’s the best option.

He was the victim of some good blocks by the Geelong forwards, some poor umpiring decisions and poor play by his teammates up the field, but his game was more than adequate.

We differ in opinion👍
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Last post by pertz -
So the press has jumped on us now in regards to our poor defensive efforts in the last 4 weeks. Only North have given up more points in this time. Good article in The Age today  no point posting link as you won't be able to access it unless you're a subscriber.
I agree we have been poor but it is not that easy to fix. It's not just about the back 6, although losing Saad and McGovern certainly hasn't helped. When teams like Geelong and GWS slice through us from defence to there forward line, it is about our whole teams defensive efforts. And as I have been saying for a long time  our lack of leg speed makes it hard to stop. We need players that can go with them when it gets turned over and we don't have many.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 8- Carlton v Collingwood
Last post by Baggers -
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Except when we rise the pressure rating to 200, rather than 150/160, then we have no issue. Then we are good defensively and we kick goals in a hurry. A case of switching on more. After the real bake the players got last week watch how much better we are defensively this week.

Nup, we're favourites. $1.77 to $2.05.

The season thus far indicates we raise this pressure rating in fits and starts - score heavily, or get scored heavily against, depending on this pressure. Our win/loss quarter ration is about 50/50. Again, inconsistency raises its head.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Last post by DJC -
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Our major problem at the moment is that Lewis Young has no confidence in his ability.......and the backline players themselves (Weltering, Newman, Williams Boyd, Kemp) have no confidence in him either after having the likes of McGovern, Saad, Docherty down back who they could rely on.
 Bring in McGovern for Young and see the difference. 

I don’t see that at all.  Young’s contested possessions and spoils are comparable with  Weitering’s and Kemp’s and his teammates don’t hesitate to give him the ball if he’s the best option.

He was the victim of some good blocks by the Geelong forwards, some poor umpiring decisions and poor play by his teammates up the field, but his game was more than adequate.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Last post by PaulP -
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The pile-on that Zac is experiencing probably won’t help 😡

He may not be at his best but he’s not far off and his class and ability show out.  All of our defenders are under extra pressure with the absence of Saad and McGovern but I’m more than happy to back them in.  Vossy and Sammy will make changes if necessary and Zac may need to freshen up or tweak his role.  Either way, he’s a vital cog in our defensive structure.

14, 9 ,0 and 7 games in 3 and a bit seasons.

He's had no continuity in his game, and one could reasonably surmise that the ill fated attempt to turn him into a full time / mostly full time mid would have also knocked him off his trajectory.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Last post by DJC -
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Second year blues or potentially just shouldering a much bigger load than last year.

Maybe we should change his number back....

Personally, i think these things are just a function of opposition knowing more about him and matching up accordingly. 

It’s probably also a function of playing a more defensive role. 

I suspect that Ollie is meeting the indicators set for him and is contributing to team indicators.

There’s a limit to the number of possessions a team can have.  When you have players like Walsh, Cripps, Hewett and Kennedy racking up possessions, it follows that other players get fewer possessions and adopt more of a support role.