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There is always someone who didn't quite pull their weight. Name your 3.

Tuohy, hendo, thomas.

All had off nights i thought.

I tossed up casboult but he provided us a marking target at least.

Henderson and Thomas were the standouts. Struggled to find a third player but I thought McLean was poor even before he had his hand stepped on and eye busted open.

I agree with Hendo tonight. Needs to work harder.

Hendo was all at sea.
Tuohy is a concern.
White did very little IMO.

Casboult until he learns to kick, he will be a liability as a FF. Simply not good enough result kicking 0.3. His 40% disposal efficiency was not great either.

Bit tough from here, but next goes to Daisy. Didn't do enough today despite his nice roving goal. 8 possessions is not what you want from someone on the type of coin he is on. If he is not fit, give him a rest. If he is fit, let him use his running ability to his advantage and don't keep him in the goal square.

Final vote goes to Davey Ellard. Wasn't a terrible game, but there were just better players than him out there tonight. Always thought of him as keeping the pocket warm for Menzel, tonight Menzel showed that he is ready to take that position off him permanently. Reckon Ellard might struggle to keep his spot in the team from here on out as i reckon Armfield offers more upside.

Hendo just not in the game, Daisy not much better but did do a couple of very good things including his goal.

Henderson (needs Waite in the side), Thomas (if he can't play up the ground then he should be in the NBs) and Casboult (no impact).

Thomas, Ellard and Levi, in that order. I really worry about Thomas, because AI think he is actually getting worse with every game.

Thomas, Ellard and Levi, in that order. I really worry about Thomas, because AI think he is actually getting worse with every game.

Levi.. :o  I had him as 4th best.   He was sensational from where I sat..

His kicking for goal was 1 hit the post, 1 was touched on the line from 55m out and the other slid across from a 45m out on an angle... Around the grounds he was great.

Quote from: Mantis on May 12, 2014, 11:05:05 pm

Thomas, Ellard and Levi, in that order. I really worry about Thomas, because AI think he is actually getting worse with every game.

Levi.. :o  I had him as 4th best.   He was sensational from where I sat..

His kicking for goal was 1 hit the post, 1 was touched on the line from 55m out and the other slid across from a 45m out on an angle... Around the grounds he was great.

Sorry but from a finishing point of view he failed to be an effective target. Every time he had the ball, I knew it would eventuate to little or nothing. I agree around the ground he was good, but I didn't see too many others that were bad around the ground. Sure many shanked kicks by players, but when he moved forward he had no impact like Kreuzer did when he played forward. Might have been harsh on him, but he needs to deliver in the F50m or leave Menzel, Henderson and Menzel there with Garlett. he is a waste of space in our attacking zone IMO. Can't kick the skin off a rice pudding like Thomas.

Quote from: Mantis on May 12, 2014, 11:05:05 pm

Thomas, Ellard and Levi, in that order. I really worry about Thomas, because AI think he is actually getting worse with every game.

Levi.. :o  I had him as 4th best.   He was sensational from where I sat..

His kicking for goal was 1 hit the post, 1 was touched on the line from 55m out and the other slid across from a 45m out on an angle... Around the grounds he was great.

Fourth best  :o  He hardly touched the ball around the ground and, regardless of how close his misses were, his kicking for goal undoes our good work and must be frustrating for his team mates.  That said, I wouldn't drop him, just get him working to emulate Jay Schultz.

Levi is the best contested mark at the club. We need to continue his development and support him. He is looking more comfortable and I expect that's how he shall improve.

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Quote from: Mantis on May 12, 2014, 11:05:05 pm

Thomas, Ellard and Levi, in that order. I really worry about Thomas, because AI think he is actually getting worse with every game.

Levi.. :o  I had him as 4th best.   He was sensational from where I sat..

His kicking for goal was 1 hit the post, 1 was touched on the line from 55m out and the other slid across from a 45m out on an angle... Around the grounds he was great.

Fourth best  :o  He hardly touched the ball around the ground and, regardless of how close his misses were, his kicking for goal undoes our good work and must be frustrating for his team mates.  That said, I wouldn't drop him, just get him working to emulate Jay Schultz.

Hardly touched it?? He took 7 marks and I'd suggest at a guess all were contested... He worked his @ss off around the ground and crashed packs repeatedly...  Im going to take a guess here and predict that most of you who have him in the worst, maybe watched it on TV and were't at the game.. I could be wrong, but gee, there's no way I could even dream about putting him in the worst players.. At the game, he busted his guts the whole game and took some fantastic marks..

His tank is completely worthless. Every contest has him working for air like he has a breathing problem. Don't get me wrong because I love the guy to bits but every contest of footy appears way to hard for him. He always looks way too tired, and like all his energy is spent just to take a mark. Warnock looks way more fit than Levi does. That is saying something right there. IMO.

His tank is completely worthless. Every contest has him working for air like he has a breathing problem. Don't get me wrong because I love the guy to bits but every contest of footy appears way to hard for him. He always looks way too tired, and like all his energy is spent just to take a mark. Warnock looks way more fit than Levi does. That is saying something right there. IMO.

He may look buggered because he's just busted his @ss off. There were also two chases on players where he ran them down and put them under enormous pressure.. Something you wont get from Warnock...  Staggers me some of the comments on him tonight...  The guy is fit... He covers a lot more ground than what the tv shows..
Sorry Manits but calling his tank worthless is way off the mark IMO.
For an example of his work rate and making himself a target on repeated efforts, have a look at the replay in the 3rd 1/4 between the 15 and 11 minute mark (counting down).. He makes himself the target about 6 times... He works very hard.. Very encouraging... 

Levi will soon have a breakout game. Perhaps he is running too hard, and needs to conserve his energy more for attacking opportunities, and defensive pressure more assigned to others?

Levi is making great progress.

This time last year he'd disappear after 1/4 time because he was cooked

He still a little off target but he is really striking the ball well, something else he couldn't do before.

I tells ya this kid might end up a beaut!

Hendo, Walker and Garlett, for mine, Daisy lucky to kick that nice goal only thing that kept him out.

Hendo has gone backwards at the rate of knots, just like a few others, doesn't seem inspired in the slightest. Maybe he's having a sook because he's played up forward? Who knows?

Walker, one of the worst defenders to play for the club, dropped two sitter marks last night. Amazing what he's become as a defender. Gone backwards considerably.

Garlett, should be back in the twos next week, another that's gone backwards.

Cannot see how you'd possibly have Levi in the worst ahead of any of those three and Thomas. He was certainly ten times more effective than his mate Hendo and is making steady progress.

Hardly touched it?? He took 7 marks and I'd suggest at a guess all were contested... He worked his @ss off around the ground and crashed packs repeatedly...  Im going to take a guess here and predict that most of you who have him in the worst, maybe watched it on TV and were't at the game.. I could be wrong, but gee, there's no way I could even dream about putting him in the worst players.. At the game, he busted his guts the whole game and took some fantastic marks..

I watched it on TV and I thought Levi was good.

Apart from his marking he works really hard in terms of chases and tackles (a lot of this contesting won't show up in stats because he's there in a supportive role applying that big body pressure ). There was one passage there where he  just kept willing himself to the contests and I thought at the time..... "well done". I thought he was quite impressive.
We know what a good contested mark he is ,and those he doesn't take.....well he doesn't get out-marked often, so at best it results in a contest on the ground.
He's getting some good length in his kicks.
He just needs to straighten them up.

TBF his kicks weren't sprayed shots like they had been in the past. One kick was from outside 50m on a tight angle and was going through until it was tocuhed on the line. His field kicking was excellent and at one stage he scooped up a ball from his feet and moved well around a few opposition players to create space and give the ball off. Not too many players in the AFL can clunk marks like he can. He's a real diamond in that sense.

Hendo and Ellard.

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Quote from: Dirty Harry on May 12, 2014, 11:20:08 pm

Quote from: Mantis on May 12, 2014, 11:05:05 pm

Thomas, Ellard and Levi, in that order. I really worry about Thomas, because AI think he is actually getting worse with every game.

Levi.. :o  I had him as 4th best.   He was sensational from where I sat..

His kicking for goal was 1 hit the post, 1 was touched on the line from 55m out and the other slid across from a 45m out on an angle... Around the grounds he was great.

Fourth best  :o  He hardly touched the ball around the ground and, regardless of how close his misses were, his kicking for goal undoes our good work and must be frustrating for his team mates.  That said, I wouldn't drop him, just get him working to emulate Jay Schultz.

Hardly touched it?? He took 7 marks and I'd suggest at a guess all were contested... He worked his @ss off around the ground and crashed packs repeatedly...  Im going to take a guess here and predict that most of you who have him in the worst, maybe watched it on TV and were't at the game.. I could be wrong, but gee, there's no way I could even dream about putting him in the worst players.. At the game, he busted his guts the whole game and took some fantastic marks..

Apart from the subs, I think only 5 or 6 players on the field had the ball less than Levi; ie he hardly touched it. Yes he contested well and is an improving work in progress.  However, there is no way that he is within a bull's roar of the best players.

Hendo had a bit of a shocker, seems either out of form or injured.

Walker and Buckley made a few mistakes, there were others that had less impact but did not make so many mistakes.

You had Buckley in the worst??  :o

Anyway, Thomas now in the three WOG two weeks in a row.

You had Buckley in the worst??  :o

Not because of the amount of ball he got, but his decision making offset the number of touches he got. Love his attack on the ball, but be efficient and build not prolific and wasteful! By the way you can be both efficient and wasteful if you make the wrong decisions.

So if he is going to get that much ball, he really needs to be damaging the opposition and I felt he didn't hurt them, he may even have helped them slow the games at times by choosing safe options. The Aints had a sh1teful ordinary side in, and we need to keep that in perspective when judging our players performances.

I could have also put in Warnock, Tuohy and Casboult. Tuohy and Casboult for the same sort of reasons errors or decision making. For 206 that was the old bad 206 back, I cannot believe the he didn't take a single mark against the Aints or lay a single tackle against a side with a beginner as their first ruck!

Hendo had a bit of a shocker, seems either out of form or injured.

Henderson had a really bad start to the season in 2011 after an injury interrupted pre-season (hip). He spent a lot of time in the VFL (only one game up to Round 12.)
He came in during the second half of the year and finished the season off well.

He also had hip problems during this last pre-season which no doubt has interrupted his preparation.
He's probably a player that needs that good foundation.
Look to him to get better as the year goes on.

Henderson had a really bad start to the season in 2011 after an injury interrupted pre-season (hip). He spent a lot of time in the VFL (only one game up to Round 12.)
He came in during the second half of the year and finished the season off well.

He also had hip problems during this last pre-season which no doubt has interrupted his preparation.
He's probably a player that needs that good foundation.
Look to him to get better as the year goes on.

Agreed.

I hope he is over the hip problems, I think he played well early even when the rest of the team sucked! He needs Waite up and about, together they set up really well.

Anyway, Thomas now in the three WOG two weeks in a row.

He did a job on Dempster and played forward all game.

Not sure we want to pay $700k for the privilege of that. so he did a job, like Everitt did on Montagna, but Everitt's impact around the ground is waning each game with me. Too many mistakes, short steps and gave away 50.

Struggle to see his role.

Quote from: LP on May 13, 2014, 11:20:18 am

Hendo had a bit of a shocker, seems either out of form or injured.

Henderson had a really bad start to the season in 2011 after an injury interrupted pre-season (hip). He spent a lot of time in the VFL (only one game up to Round 12.)
He came in during the second half of the year and finished the season off well.

He also had hip problems during this last pre-season which no doubt has interrupted his preparation.
He's probably a player that needs that good foundation.
Look to him to get better as the year goes on.

Didnt he have a second operation through the NAB challenge matches this year.. ?

lol at those given Simon White votes...

He Kept Sipposs and the resting Ruckman to 0.2 and was solid in all that he did.

I really hate these types of threads..

lol at those given Simon White votes...

He Kept Sipposs and the resting Ruckman to 0.2 and was solid in all that he did.

Agree, both White and Rowe put in very respectable performances IMO.

Even performance...no worst on ground IMO...most players did something useful....

Even performance...no worst on ground IMO...most players did something useful....

I sort of thought the same way, but I had to pick three so I went with poor decisions or the odd error.

Hardly touched it?? He took 7 marks and I'd suggest at a guess all were contested... He worked his @ss off around the ground and crashed packs repeatedly...  Im going to take a guess here and predict that most of you who have him in the worst, maybe watched it on TV and were't at the game.. I could be wrong, but gee, there's no way I could even dream about putting him in the worst players.. At the game, he busted his guts the whole game and took some fantastic marks..

7 marks, correct. Only one contested.

Hardly touched it? He had 10 touches, only Garlett (sub), Daisy and White had less touches. 40% of them were deemed effective.

Its not easy to find 3 players clearly worse than him, but to say there was only 3 better is a big stretch.

Quote from: Dirty Harry on May 13, 2014, 12:08:25 am

Hardly touched it?? He took 7 marks and I'd suggest at a guess all were contested... He worked his @ss off around the ground and crashed packs repeatedly...  Im going to take a guess here and predict that most of you who have him in the worst, maybe watched it on TV and were't at the game.. I could be wrong, but gee, there's no way I could even dream about putting him in the worst players.. At the game, he busted his guts the whole game and took some fantastic marks..

7 marks, correct. Only one contested.

Hardly touched it? He had 10 touches, only Garlett (sub), Daisy and White had less touches. 40% of them were deemed effective.

Its not easy to find 3 players clearly worse than him, but to say there was only 3 better is a big stretch.

What the hell is considered a contested mark?  He had an opponent on him or on his tail in every mark I can think of..   His work rate and willingness to present time after time is something that can only be seen at the ground... He was great last night.. I dont withdraw those comments.. Maybe top 4 was me being over the top, but I have him in my top 5 to 8 for sure...  Put it this way, I walked out of the ground very very happy with him..
You even admitted you gave him worst on ground because he kicked 3 points instead of 3 goals.. 

What were his "efforts" "chase" and "contest" stats ;)

You even admitted you gave him worst on ground because he kicked 3 points instead of 3 goals..

...amongst other things.

Quote from: PassIt2Carrots on May 13, 2014, 11:29:38 am

Anyway, Thomas now in the three WOG two weeks in a row.

Everitt did on Montagna, but Everitt's impact around the ground is waning each game with me. Too many mistakes, short steps and gave away 50.

Struggle to see his role.

Understanding how the club B&F votes have gone in the past (acknowledgement for players who do their designated game day job well), I wouldn't be surprised if Everitt is in our top 10 at the moment. 

Guys we are not going to agree.  It's a forum.  Opinions will differ, it's why we all get a vote.

If they were bad, odds are they will poll well in this topic.  If someone has a barrow to push they'll get the odd vote and most won't agree.  It doesn't have to result in a mass debate.  We saw the match, we formed opinions based on what we saw.

Levi was not terrible, but you didn't have to be to end up in our bottom three for last night. 

I voted for Ellard, and I don't understand why he keeps getting a game. He is short and slow. He is meant to be a defensive forward who can kick goals however his opponent constantly runs off him and creates a loose link man which puts enormous pressure on the backs. I acknowledge he is brave, a good kick for goal and good for his size overhead however I would have Armfield all day before him.

Guys we are not going to agree.  It's a forum.  Opinions will differ, it's why we all get a vote.

If they were bad, odds are they will poll well in this topic.  If someone has a barrow to push they'll get the odd vote and most won't agree.  It doesn't have to result in a mass debate.  We saw the match, we formed opinions based on what we saw.

Levi was not terrible, but you didn't have to be to end up in our bottom three for last night.

Agreed.

I doubt anybody will agree with me about Buckley, but I watched the replay last night and saw exactly what I saw on game day. How he rated 80% efficiency is a mystery, they must assume that if your disposal hits a team-mate irrespective of the circumstances it is efficient. Add to that his direct opponent was continually working inside stoppages as an extra player while Buckley stood 4m or 5m off the pack. He must be instructed to stay out of the stoppages in some circumstance, but even so you, cannot let your opponent have so much influence so far away from where you stand and watch. Being a spectator is one of AFLs biggest sins.

I was all over Casboult for not making contests, and I will be all over Buckley for doing the same. 8 good contests will mean nothing if at 2 others you do not even try, at those 2 you are resting at the expense of team-mates! But that is typical of younger players, and it is contrast by the likes of Simmo and Daisy who just never stop competing.

Add to that his direct opponent was continually working inside stoppages as an extra player while Buckley stood 4m or 5m off the pack. He must be instructed to stay out of the stoppages in some circumstance, but even so you, cannot let your opponent have so much influence so far away from where you stand and watch. Being a spectator is one of AFLs biggest sins.

As you say, he may well be instructed to stay at that distance from the pack.  Most coaches insist on someone filling the "cover shoulder" role - playing that sort of distance from a pack either as a defensive outlet if we gain possession under pressure or to round up any player who receives handballs from the pack at top pace.  It's certainly one of the hardest things to coach at junior level.  I nag my boys about it during every game, but to no avail.  Any of my players whose opponent ventures towards a pack use that as an excuse to run to the pack.  Often, they just stand around and ball-watch as there's a limit to the number of kids who can be actively going after the ball.  Often, their opponents have sucked them in by dropping out of the pack and being there for the outlet handball.  Consequently, we have problems with holding the ball in as no one wants to "form the wall".  I wouldn't hang Buckley on that account.  If Malthouse wants him in the pack, he'll tell him to do that. 

Geelong has had great success without necessarily winning many stoppages.  They have relied heavily on their ability to win the ball back on the HB line and their spare drops back to help out at that level.  Stoppage wins are great, but only if you don't have to kick blindly under pressure.  You have to be able to get out of the contest and be able to look properly at your options. 

I do agree Mav, but I'll reserve judgment at this stage.

Don't get me wrong, I thought it was hard to find 3 worst on ground as I believe it was a very even team performance.

FWIW, I suspect Bell was dropped earlier in this season for doing similar things, positioning for the break away while letting somebody else deal with his man. It all looks good until you lose the clearance!

Guys we are not going to agree.  It's a forum.  Opinions will differ, it's why we all get a vote.

But like you have just said, its a forum... And a forum Is for discussing opinions..  Thats what we are doing.  ;)

Levi is the best contested mark at the club. We need to continue his development and support him. He is looking more comfortable and I expect that's how he shall improve.

We don't need a Richo or Riewoldt at Carlton and Casboult looks like a deadset Richo!

Blokes like Richo and Riewoldt hold you back rather than take you forward, they are like a mirage in the desert, they just don't deliver when it counts!

I don't want a stuck with a scatter gun CHF for the next 10 years that does just enough on the odd games for fans to love them, and burns us in all the others. I'd rather have a plodder Maclure type out there who gives 100% reliability week in and week out without ever really being a superstar!

He's better than anything else we have ATM LP. I think his field kicking is pretty good, let's play him as a CHF. Earl Spalding styles.

Was going to say exactly that.

In fact having him at a Richo or Riewoldt level would be an improvement for us and him.

He would win us a couple in that way at least.

He's better than anything else we have ATM LP. I think his field kicking is pretty good, let's play him as a CHF. Earl Spalding styles.

Earl Spalding played year by year alongside Stephen Kernahan, not as a primary target!

That is without regard to Kouta, Christou, Pearce, Alan and Beaumont all who floated around the ground as marking targets with Hanna and Brown in the mix! Casboult would be at the bottom of that list with Beaumont!

Back then Matthew Allan average 4 or 5 marks a game as much as Casboult (206 takes that many a season! :( )

Put Casboult in that mix and he is 3 or 4th in line as a target.

In that respect I think the Spalding analogy misses the mark, however if we get two other key forward targets Casboult might fit the bill!

Was going to say exactly that.

In fact having him at a Richo or Riewoldt level would be an improvement for us and him.

He would win us a couple in that way at least.

Yeah right, they win games, then they cost you a big one!

The negatives far, far, far out weigh the positives!

Quote from: Juddkreuzer on May 12, 2014, 11:47:00 pm

Levi is the best contested mark at the club. We need to continue his development and support him. He is looking more comfortable and I expect that's how he shall improve.

We don't need a Richo or Riewoldt at Carlton and Casboult looks like a deadset Richo!

Blokes like Richo and Riewoldt hold you back rather than take you forward, they are like a mirage in the desert, they just don't deliver when it counts!

I don't want a stuck with a scatter gun CHF for the next 10 years that does just enough on the odd games for fans to love them, and burns us in all the others. I'd rather have a plodder Maclure type out there who gives 100% reliability week in and week out without ever really being a superstar!

Mate Richo kicked 800 goals in a mostly crap side. If Levi could get anywhere near that, I'm taking it. We chased Cloke and look how he's travelling ATM in a very good side.

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Quote from: Juddkreuzer on May 12, 2014, 11:47:00 pm

Levi is the best contested mark at the club. We need to continue his development and support him. He is looking more comfortable and I expect that's how he shall improve.

We don't need a Richo or Riewoldt at Carlton and Casboult looks like a deadset Richo!

Blokes like Richo and Riewoldt hold you back rather than take you forward, they are like a mirage in the desert, they just don't deliver when it counts!

I don't want a stuck with a scatter gun CHF for the next 10 years that does just enough on the odd games for fans to love them, and burns us in all the others. I'd rather have a plodder Maclure type out there who gives 100% reliability week in and week out without ever really being a superstar!

Mate Richo kicked 800 goals in a mostly crap side. If Levi could get anywhere near that, I'm taking it. We chased Cloke and look how he's travelling ATM in a very good side.

Cloke is the prime example, clubs become dependent on blokes who are living on a roller-coaster and the whole side ends up on the roller-coaster with them! I'd rather have a Hale type!

Time to send Hendo down back.....

Maybe try Everitt/Walker/Jamo/Watson as a roaming key forward (the first two at least).

Hendo is underperforming up front atm.

Time to send Hendo down back.....

Maybe try Everitt/Walker/Jamo/Watson as a roaming key forward (the first two at least).

Hendo is underperforming up front atm.

Hendo is underperforming because he doesn't have his mate, Waite, taking some heat off him.

Casboult doesn't demand the same attention Waite does, so Hendo is taking all the extra heat.

If we send Hendo down back, he will play better, but the team will suffer as we won't have anyone to kick goals.

The 4 players you mentioned will not do any better (long term) as a key forward. They might have a good game here and there, ala Duigan against the tiges last year, but you are not solving any problems there.

The backline is working, don't disrupt that to give Hendo an easy game. Find Hendo a legitimate partner in crime up forward to get him an easy game.

Quote from: flyboy77 on May 20, 2014, 10:22:38 pm

Time to send Hendo down back.....

Maybe try Everitt/Walker/Jamo/Watson as a roaming key forward (the first two at least).

Hendo is underperforming up front atm.

Hendo is underperforming because he doesn't have his mate, Waite, taking some heat off him.

Casboult doesn't demand the same attention Waite does, so Hendo is taking all the extra heat.

If we send Hendo down back, he will play better, but the team will suffer as we won't have anyone to kick goals.

The 4 players you mentioned will not do any better (long term) as a key forward. They might have a good game here and there, ala Duigan against the tiges last year, but you are not solving any problems there.

The backline is working, don't disrupt that to give Hendo an easy game. Find Hendo a legitimate partner in crime up forward to get him an easy game.

Rumour has it he recently has just broken up with his girlfriend that he's had since high school.
If true that definitely can affect players form. Just ask capper.

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Quote from: flyboy77 on May 20, 2014, 10:22:38 pm

Time to send Hendo down back.....

Maybe try Everitt/Walker/Jamo/Watson as a roaming key forward (the first two at least).

Hendo is underperforming up front atm.

Hendo is underperforming because he doesn't have his mate, Waite, taking some heat off him.

Casboult doesn't demand the same attention Waite does, so Hendo is taking all the extra heat.

If we send Hendo down back, he will play better, but the team will suffer as we won't have anyone to kick goals.

The 4 players you mentioned will not do any better (long term) as a key forward. They might have a good game here and there, ala Duigan against the tiges last year, but you are not solving any problems there.

The backline is working, don't disrupt that to give Hendo an easy game. Find Hendo a legitimate partner in crime up forward to get him an easy game.

Rumour has it he recently has just broken up with his girlfriend that he's had since high school.
If true that definitely can affect players form. Just ask capper.

I think Gibbs went through similar at one stage.

Mate there's some great excuses flying around in here, I'll tell you why Hendo is underperforming, because as a forward, he doesn't attack the ball like he really wants it. Happy to make that lead up the ground and make that attempt to mark but you look at other forwards and they attack the mark like it's the last they'll ever do. Hendo just coasts too much for my liking, send him down back where he's under pressure and needs to focus. Real disappointment this year.

Mate there's some great excuses flying around in here, I'll tell you why Hendo is underperforming, because as a forward, he doesn't attack the ball like he really wants it. Happy to make that lead up the ground and make that attempt to mark but you look at other forwards and they attack the mark like it's the last they'll ever do. Hendo just coasts too much for my liking, send him down back where he's under pressure and needs to focus. Real disappointment this year.

Agree wholeheartedly.

Mate there's some great excuses flying around in here, I'll tell you why Hendo is underperforming, because as a forward, he doesn't attack the ball like he really wants it. Happy to make that lead up the ground and make that attempt to mark but you look at other forwards and they attack the mark like it's the last they'll ever do. Hendo just coasts too much for my liking, send him down back where he's under pressure and needs to focus. Real disappointment this year.

Champion Data rates the disposals by adding a loading to disposals under pressure versus the Ablett style Give-Go-Get accumulations. So a sideways kick or a snap at goal is not worth much but can be a big negative it if fails. While a disposal under pressure that hits it's target is a big positive. I think the range is between +5 to -5, so a shots at goal or a sideways kicks is worth +1. A sideways kick that turns the ball over is -5, and a kick under pressure(Being tackled or body contact) that hits a target is +5.

Accordingly Champion Data rate Jammo, Hendo and Scotland as three of our three best performing disposers of the ball, but it comes from them working down back not up forward.

That suggests playing Hendo forward is really robbing Peter to pay Paul!