Wasn't always pretty, but there was some pretty good signs from some of the younger boys to give us some hope for the future.
Enjoyed that.
We could have won by 13 goals really.
B Graders did a lot of the heavy lifting.
Wasn't always pretty, but there was some pretty good signs from some of the younger boys to give us some hope for the future.
This I agree with, but we need to learn not to drop the pressure and keep the intensity high for an entire game.
Need to play 4 quarters and find a focal point up forward or we will get killed by any of the better sides.
Rowe did ok on a first class opponent I reckon. Would have learned something about leading patterns, work rate and getting fitter.
Buckley, Menzel, Yarran, Docherty... All can get the footy, all can kick.
Epitomised how far off we are.
2 goals six in the first quarter. Then we let them get a sniff through a blip in our effort.
Second quarter is how the game should gave panned out for us. 8.0 zip. Domination.
Third quarter was disappointing. Let them back into the game by being worked over physically and us getting a bit weak at the knees.
Fourth quarter we scored a goal to release the pressure valve and went on with it. I feel a bit flat about it to be honest.
Liked the effort though, but the final margin really flattered the Saints.
Won 3 of our last 4 with the crows at the G next up. Hopefully the boys come back refreshed after the break.
Epitomised how far off we are.
2 goals six in the first quarter. Then we let them get a sniff through a blip in our effort.
Second quarter is how the game should gave panned out for us. 8.0 zip. Domination.
Third quarter was disappointing. Let them back into the game by being worked over physically and us getting a bit weak at the knees.
Fourth quarter we scored a goal to release the pressure valve and went on with it. I feel a bit flat about it to be honest.
Liked the effort though, but the final margin really flattered the Saints.
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That performance reiterates that we are miles off the pace. Dreading playing the Hawks.
We are still a long way off and we made heavy weather of the Saints (who fielded a number or youngsters) without doubt. However there were a few encouraging signs with Yarran, Menzel, Buckley, Docherty in particular for me showing glimpses of our possible future.
Levi, Levi please sort out your kicking! He could become a real asset to us if he could just do that as he seems to be developing nicely in other aspects from tonight's performance.
Again a major concentration lapse in the 3Q and some wayward early kicking for goal let us down. We could have had the Saints on toast by the end of the 1Q.
Anyway, we just have to persevere - keep trying and take the wins when we can get them.
Some real positive signs but as everyone has said still a long way off. The third quarter drop off was a real concern. Must play 4 quarters. Good to see Menzel start without the vest and play a full match.
Apart from a brief cameo from Menzel, it was the old guard that led the way; Gibbs, Murphy, Simpson, McLean and Yarran.
One relatively new older bloke showed a bit; Sam Rowe's game tonight was his best game for the club and must have a few people re-thinking how he'll fit into our future plans.
Worst. Game. Ever.
That is all......
In Billings, Dunstan and Acres the Saints have rebuilt their midfield in one draft. Chuck in a big player in this year's draft and their rebuild is well under way.
I thought the scoreboard flattered us TBH, Saints outplayed us for large parts of the second half but couldn't kick straight. 9:15 to 15:11 says it all. They could have been just about level by 3/4 time had they kicked straight. Just a meh game, we are that much bigger and stronger than them it shows how far they have to go.
@Shadesy
It's clear we have 3 players for the future and maybe a fourth. Yarran, Menzel and Buckley are all stars of the future (Yarran already a star). Buckley has come on in leaps and bounds over the past few weeks, does it so easily, doesn't over think things, crisp passing and handballing and always in the right position. The fourth is Docherty. Really like the look of this guy.
Have to say Mick did well to hide his mate Daisy in the forwardline, looking after him well he is. He's the ultimate coach's pet. I wonder if he would afford the same luxury to any other players on the list? 700k for a defensive forward that gets it 8 times and kicks a goal. Wow.
Just watched the highlights reel... some of the umpiring was ??? to say the least... Riewoldt's goal in the second was a free for what? Dunstan's snap after a throw from a bloke holding the pill... Fair dinkum.
What was all rest of the scuffling about?
Murphy's hit looked like an in-play thing to me, he was clearly hunting the ball with no intent to hurt but he'll go because he plays for Carlton. What, no comment from Dermie about removing contests from the game? Tsk tsk the game is being rooned I tells ya!
About the only thing I liked about the game was lots of players flying the flag, many scuffles. Looked good.
Oh and Menzel, pure class.
Everett has no confidence, every handball went backwards only a few kicks went forward and one was smothered off a free kick. ::)
Good to get the win.
But our skills are bloody atrocious.
Handballs missing the mark, kicks falling short.
Looked like the Metro boys took a step back to Auskick, thankfully the Aints are tripe.
Great run from Yarran off HB, topping it off with a neat kick from 30 or so. That's the sort of blistering run which will change the way teams play him. If they play him tighter, then that's one forward we don't need to worry about in future.
Menzel's coming along nicely. Hope his LARS stands up to the rigours of footy. On one of the TV footy shows last night, he was compared to Alan Didak insofar as having fantastic goal sense and goalkicking skills as well as the eagerness to assume the responsibility of taking the shot.
Saw the "pluck" again. A Saints player won a wrestle with his own player for the ball as said team mate was on the ground wrapped up in a tackle. Must have been an almighty effort to rip it free. Or maybe his team mate just let it go. Seems to me that there should be a ban on players "ripping" the ball out of their own team mate's hands, just as marks can't be awarded to a player who marks his own kick and a player is counted as having continuous possession if he handballs while running and catches it before it hits the ground. But maybe they're trying to attract Rugby Union fans who'd be very familiar with that sort of hand off in a maul.
@Mav
The rule in rugby union, at least when I played, was that that once tackled to the ground you had to release the ball and in a maul you had to be on your feet in order to pick up the ball. This I think was mainly designed to keep the ball alive and to stop teams shutting down play by lying on the ground and trapping the ball in.
Our equivalent seems to be having to make an obvious attempt to dispose of the ball legally.
Really looked like the blues played that game as if they were entitled to win it.
That third quarter lapse was terrible.
Good effort from the boys. Good resolve and commitment.
Really hotly challenged in the 3rd and weathered it well. Been times in our recent history where that level of challenge would have seen us fold. Be good for the boys confidence to have weathered such intensity.
Our class got us over the line... Gibbs, Yarran, Murphy, Simmo, Menzel... too many for them to cover. Really encouraged by Docherty. Good to see Brock get some form back. Also good to see Everitt show a little mongrel... did a brilliant defensive job. Don't understand the criticisms of Levi... what we saw was continued improvement and if that stays with him he'll kick a bag sooner rather than later - for a big fella he is really agile, and not afraid to crunch packs. Rowe also continues to grow and actually is now surprising a few of us. Couple of really good contests against Riewoldt which he won (and that free kick Riewoldt got was the softest of the night - Chamberlain = pr1ck).
Good to have a win with a few important blokes down - Hendo, Tuohy, Ellard. Daisy was given a defensive role up forward which he did really well but also explained his stats... obviously a strategy to help run him back into form. White was solid but that's about it.
Our equivalent seems to be having to make an obvious attempt to dispose of the ball legally.
Replace "obvious" with "insincere" and that's the way I see it.
Our equivalent seems to be having to make an obvious attempt to dispose of the ball legally.
Replace "obvious" with "insincere" and that's the way I see it.
Yep, it's a farce alright.
Really looked like the blues played that game as if they were entitled to win it.
That third quarter lapse was terrible.
I think we played at a consistent level throughout the game but the Saints played in patches and didn't make the most of their hard work.
Game would have been over at quarter time had we kicked straight luckily for us Saints were just as inaccurate in the 3rd quarter. Still 3 wins from the last 4 is not too bad with the next 2 matches winnable.
What do others think?
When that 'touched' score was judged to be a point it appeared that they used the camera on the goal umpire's head. I thought that the umpire was standing slightly behind the line which gave a skewed view showing that the ball was not quite completely over the line. If the camera had been on the line that angle would have shown that the ball was indeed over the line. I do not have the advantage of a replay to confirm this but perhaps one of you can.
Looked close enough chalky. My call was a point. Pity would've been great for 501's confidence.
What do others think?
When that 'touched' score was judged to be a point it appeared that they used the camera on the goal umpire's head. I thought that the umpire was standing slightly behind the line which gave a skewed view showing that the ball was not quite completely over the line. If the camera had been on the line that angle would have shown that the ball was indeed over the line. I do not have the advantage of a replay to confirm this but perhaps one of you can.
At the end of the day you are just splitting hairs. The ump called it touched, the replay couldn't confirm a goal confidently so it's a behind. We move on. Wouldve been a great goal otherwise ;)
Great run from Yarran off HB, topping it off with a neat kick from 30 or so. That's the sort of blistering run which will change the way teams play him. If they play him tighter, then that's one forward we don't need to worry about in future.
Menzel's coming along nicely. Hope his LARS stands up to the rigours of footy. On one of the TV footy shows last night, he was compared to Alan Didak insofar as having fantastic goal sense and goalkicking skills as well as the eagerness to assume the responsibility of taking the shot.
Saw the "pluck" again. A Saints player won a wrestle with his own player for the ball as said team mate was on the ground wrapped up in a tackle. Must have been an almighty effort to rip it free. Or maybe his team mate just let it go. Seems to me that there should be a ban on players "ripping" the ball out of their own team mate's hands, just as marks can't be awarded to a player who marks his own kick and a player is counted as having continuous possession if he handballs while running and catches it before it hits the ground. But maybe they're trying to attract Rugby Union fans who'd be very familiar with that sort of hand off in a maul.
In a game of over 100 tackles, to have 2 holding the balls shows how far the other way the rule has gone.
Good to see the kids and new additions in Docherty, Menzel, Buckley and Everitt doing ell.
Rowe and White, who were close to being delisted last year, playing solidly down back.
Yazz playing out of his skin - Micks tough love last year has done the job.
Levi improving.
Warnock is more tenacious at the contests
Signs of a rebuild / rejuvenation of the side without it being labeled a rebuild.
Oh, and senior core of Gibbs, Murphy, Simpson have all stood up for the most part since the Dees game. Maybe the penny has finally dripped.
Great run from Yarran off HB, topping it off with a neat kick from 30 or so. That's the sort of blistering run which will change the way teams play him. If they play him tighter, then that's one forward we don't need to worry about in future.
Menzel's coming along nicely. Hope his LARS stands up to the rigours of footy. On one of the TV footy shows last night, he was compared to Alan Didak insofar as having fantastic goal sense and goalkicking skills as well as the eagerness to assume the responsibility of taking the shot.
Saw the "pluck" again. A Saints player won a wrestle with his own player for the ball as said team mate was on the ground wrapped up in a tackle. Must have been an almighty effort to rip it free. Or maybe his team mate just let it go. Seems to me that there should be a ban on players "ripping" the ball out of their own team mate's hands, just as marks can't be awarded to a player who marks his own kick and a player is counted as having continuous possession if he handballs while running and catches it before it hits the ground. But maybe they're trying to attract Rugby Union fans who'd be very familiar with that sort of hand off in a maul.
In a game of over 100 tackles, to have 2 holding the balls shows how far the other way the rule has gone.
@ Mav totally agree with the Yarran scenario also have said Menzel will start to show us how good he is then get injured, also the grabbing the ball out of your own players hands is incorrect disposal.
@ Shadesy it seemed to me the Saints players had a lot more latitude from the umps when they were tackled.
I thought last night was all about the next wave. Menzel showed again that he is already in the top few players at the club and the message may have finally got through the iron skull of Mick, along with Yarran, Buckley and Docherty (who I have been pleasantly surprised with). Would love there to be a KPP in that group!!!
Gibbs was immense, not as spectacular but I thought was the hardest he probably has ever worked. Rowe keeps keeping on and there is no one really to push him out. Everitt is starting to worry me, has become a bit deer in the headlights lately, dare I say it....
Was good to see Army again, I hate him most of the time but you can always count on him for effort and gives us run and breaks the lines which we lack.
We are still way off, but there are signs there that we are building. Game plan is becoming a bit eaasier to watch and is being tweeked I feel to allow for more dare and run. If we could get a few games into Giles this year I would be more optimistic about next year.
I see a win is bad for business on this site :P
Closest AFL game to a nil all draw I've seen. If they weren't keeping score I'd struggle to have picked a winner.
On the positive I liked what I saw from Menzel, Yazz, Buckley, Docherty and Casboult. Although Casboult missed he still backed himself to have the shot, hopefully he comes good. Also some of the older bridgade stood up when needed that was pleasing.
Hear yarran after the game say that he has so much confidence in any position he is put in now thanks to Mick.
I don't think I've ever seen yarran play with so much confidence. It's great to see.
It was only a week or so ago Bucks was saying how great Mick has been for his confidence and growth aswell. Looks like Mick knows how to develop these young guys which is great to see.
Gee Menzel was fantastic last night. Turns the game on its head in one quarter.
Gibbs was fantastic, simmo excellent and Levi is coming on very well. I actually thought white and rowe were great too.
That Reiwoldt is a champion and I was very disappointed in our cheer squad starting a chant that he is a wankker. Far from it.
Well don't to everitt for keeping montagna to just 20 odd possessions.
I see a win is bad for business on this site :P
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Not only was it a Monday night game, it was not on FTA. It's like the AFL doesn't want people to watch.
What was the crowd BTW?
26 thousand odd. Apparently, this was down on the 34k that came last year.
Strangely enough for a St Kilda home game, I didn't see any cheersquad for them. When we put the game beyond doubt, the Saints supporters left and when Riewoldt was lining up for goal at the end I was near you could hear chants of "Riewoldt's a wanker!" It certainly was the highlight of the game from my son's point of view ;D
I thought Reiwoltd was a banker.. My mistake
I thought Reiwoltd was a banker.. My mistake
A "merchant banker"? ;D
In Billings, Dunstan and Acres the Saints have rebuilt their midfield in one draft. Chuck in a big player in this year's draft and their rebuild is well under way.
Billings is a nice replacement for Dal Santo....
Dunstan is impressive...probably better than Cripps at this stage but our boy has more upside...dare I use that word.
Acres....just went IMO.....doesnt have the nous of the other two.
Buckley, Menzel and Yarran showed their class and abilities allbeit vs second rate opposition.
Casboult is improving his ruckwork and continues to mark the footy as well as anyone
Docherty is a neat player......nice addition to a team that need skill by foot and some good decison making.
re: Rowe....improving and may get another year...
That Reiwoldt is a champion and I was very disappointed in our cheer squad starting a chant that he is a wankker. Far from it.
Ahhh, that must be why Goddard cut up badly on the radio!
Can't have his "putting" ;) mate being bad mouthed!
I only listened to the game on the radio, but it seems we were using the corridor a lot more, is that correct?
On another note, RE: Everitt- he reminds me of Paul Bower at times... Not a great sign
Hear yarran after the game say that he has so much confidence in any position he is put in now thanks to Mick.
I don't think I've ever seen yarran play with so much confidence. It's great to see.
It was only a week or so ago Bucks was saying how great Mick has been for his confidence and growth aswell. Looks like Mick knows how to develop these young guys which is great to see.
Gee Menzel was fantastic last night. Turns the game on its head in one quarter.
Gibbs was fantastic, simmo excellent and Levi is coming on very well. I actually thought white and rowe were great too.
That Reiwoldt is a champion and I was very disappointed in our cheer squad starting a chant that he is a wankker. Far from it.
Well don't to everitt for keeping montagna to just 20 odd possessions.
I was thinking last night that i can probably give a tick to Mick for his development of Yarran, on the other hand for the plaudits of Mick for Yarran he has destroyed the confidence of Garlett...
@ EB - Docherty is a natural replacement for Scotland. Moves like him and everything, reads the play well and can kick!
Yarran is back to his form of 2011. Not surprising considering he's played more of a role across HB this year. In the end a player with so much talent will always come good. I do however like the idea of switching him in between attack and defence.
Yarran is back to his form of 2011. Not surprising considering he's played more of a role across HB this year. In the end a player with so much talent will always come good. I do however like the idea of switching him in between attack and defence.
PI2C Yarran started on the wing when Jones went to him he pushed fwd then for matchups went back, Yazz has become our swingman!!!
Even better. Always seen him as a winger!
Yarran is back to his form of 2011. Not surprising considering he's played more of a role across HB this year. In the end a player with so much talent will always come good. I do however like the idea of switching him in between attack and defence.
PI2C Yarran started on the wing when Jones went to him he pushed fwd then for matchups went back, Yazz has become our swingman!!!
I think we can give the recruiters are tick on this one now?
If he played for Hawthorn he would be compared with Rioli and reckon he provides more than Cyril does.
Hear yarran after the game say that he has so much confidence in any position he is put in now thanks to Mick.
I don't think I've ever seen yarran play with so much confidence. It's great to see.
It was only a week or so ago Bucks was saying how great Mick has been for his confidence and growth aswell. Looks like Mick knows how to develop these young guys which is great to see.
Gee Menzel was fantastic last night. Turns the game on its head in one quarter.
Gibbs was fantastic, simmo excellent and Levi is coming on very well. I actually thought white and rowe were great too.
That Reiwoldt is a champion and I was very disappointed in our cheer squad starting a chant that he is a wankker. Far from it.
Well don't to everitt for keeping montagna to just 20 odd possessions.
I was thinking last night that i can probably give a tick to Mick for his development of Yarran, on the other hand for the plaudits of Mick for Yarran he has destroyed the confidence of Garlett...
@ EB - Docherty is a natural replacement for Scotland. Moves like him and everything, reads the play well and can kick!
Not sure we can blame Mick for Garlett ducking his head last night... I love Jeffy, but there's certainly something not right with him. Whether its Betts going or Mick giving him a rocket and dropping him, he certainly needs to lift.
He was dropped for not putting on enough forward pressure (along with Waite)... Wiley said on the Blue print, that he just barely did enough in the 2's to get a call up.. Something tells me that he has some off field issues or something that's really affecting him. He seems disinterested at times. Hopefully he gets over it and takes Yarrans approach and comes good. He is a very quiet lad thats for sure.
Yarran is back to his form of 2011. Not surprising considering he's played more of a role across HB this year. In the end a player with so much talent will always come good. I do however like the idea of switching him in between attack and defence.
Yarran is no longer quiet or timid, he is playing with supreme confidence and looks to be loving footy.. He defends excellent and never shirks it anymore. Great signs.
Hear yarran after the game say that he has so much confidence in any position he is put in now thanks to Mick.
I don't think I've ever seen yarran play with so much confidence. It's great to see.
It was only a week or so ago Bucks was saying how great Mick has been for his confidence and growth aswell. Looks like Mick knows how to develop these young guys which is great to see.
Gee Menzel was fantastic last night. Turns the game on its head in one quarter.
Gibbs was fantastic, simmo excellent and Levi is coming on very well. I actually thought white and rowe were great too.
That Reiwoldt is a champion and I was very disappointed in our cheer squad starting a chant that he is a wankker. Far from it.
Well don't to everitt for keeping montagna to just 20 odd possessions.
I was thinking last night that i can probably give a tick to Mick for his development of Yarran, on the other hand for the plaudits of Mick for Yarran he has destroyed the confidence of Garlett...
@ EB - Docherty is a natural replacement for Scotland. Moves like him and everything, reads the play well and can kick!
I think Yarran is a lot tougher mentally than Garlett.
Hear yarran after the game say that he has so much confidence in any position he is put in now thanks to Mick.
I don't think I've ever seen yarran play with so much confidence. It's great to see.
It was only a week or so ago Bucks was saying how great Mick has been for his confidence and growth aswell. Looks like Mick knows how to develop these young guys which is great to see.
Gee Menzel was fantastic last night. Turns the game on its head in one quarter.
Gibbs was fantastic, simmo excellent and Levi is coming on very well. I actually thought white and rowe were great too.
That Reiwoldt is a champion and I was very disappointed in our cheer squad starting a chant that he is a wankker. Far from it.
Well don't to everitt for keeping montagna to just 20 odd possessions.
I was thinking last night that i can probably give a tick to Mick for his development of Yarran, on the other hand for the plaudits of Mick for Yarran he has destroyed the confidence of Garlett...
@ EB - Docherty is a natural replacement for Scotland. Moves like him and everything, reads the play well and can kick!
I think Yarran is a lot tougher mentally than Garlett.
He is now thats for sure, but Yarran was very similiar only a year or so ago. He sulked when he was made the sub remember and cracked it with Mick..
Hear yarran after the game say that he has so much confidence in any position he is put in now thanks to Mick.
I don't think I've ever seen yarran play with so much confidence. It's great to see.
It was only a week or so ago Bucks was saying how great Mick has been for his confidence and growth aswell. Looks like Mick knows how to develop these young guys which is great to see.
Gee Menzel was fantastic last night. Turns the game on its head in one quarter.
Gibbs was fantastic, simmo excellent and Levi is coming on very well. I actually thought white and rowe were great too.
That Reiwoldt is a champion and I was very disappointed in our cheer squad starting a chant that he is a wankker. Far from it.
Well don't to everitt for keeping montagna to just 20 odd possessions.
I was thinking last night that i can probably give a tick to Mick for his development of Yarran, on the other hand for the plaudits of Mick for Yarran he has destroyed the confidence of Garlett...
@ EB - Docherty is a natural replacement for Scotland. Moves like him and everything, reads the play well and can kick!
Not sure we can blame Mick for Garlett ducking his head last night... I love Jeffy, but there's certainly something not right with him. Whether its Betts going or Mick giving him a rocket and dropping him, he certainly needs to lift.
He was dropped for not putting on enough forward pressure (along with Waite)... Wiley said on the Blue print, that he just barely did enough in the 2's to get a call up.. Something tells me that he has some off field issues or something that's really affecting him. He seems disinterested at times. Hopefully he gets over it and takes Yarrans approach and comes good. He is a very quiet lad thats for sure.
Garlett is in trouble I reckon.
Mick was a fan to begin with.
I think he might be suffering from "writing on the wall" syndrome.
Fairly one dimensional in terms of positions he can play and the way he plays his football at times. I would be concerned if I was Jeff.
Its probably whats playing on his ability to impact games at the moment. Where else can he be useful? I can see him and Menzel vying for the same role and one of them being squeezed out (Menzel is starting to go through the midfield a little bit in spurts and is dangerous when he has the ball in hand no matter where he is). Its also hurting him that Ellard seems to be able to do a similar role and has a little bit more versatility about him regarding stopping an opposition midfielder and also being able to hit the scoreboard.
I like Jeff, but he is forming as someone with currency who could help us fill a deficiency, has currency and we can afford to lose...
He might have got a sniff of this and hence his reduction in output. Its funny what pressure and confidence can do to one player.
Yarran is back to his form of 2011. Not surprising considering he's played more of a role across HB this year. In the end a player with so much talent will always come good. I do however like the idea of switching him in between attack and defence.
PI2C Yarran started on the wing when Jones went to him he pushed fwd then for matchups went back, Yazz has become our swingman!!!
I think we can give the recruiters are tick on this one now?
If he played for Hawthorn he would be compared with Rioli and reckon he provides more than Cyril does.
Be careful Shadesy, Rioli is a protected species ;)
Yarran is back to his form of 2011. Not surprising considering he's played more of a role across HB this year. In the end a player with so much talent will always come good. I do however like the idea of switching him in between attack and defence.
He is much better defensively now then he was in 2011.
Yarran is back to his form of 2011. Not surprising considering he's played more of a role across HB this year. In the end a player with so much talent will always come good. I do however like the idea of switching him in between attack and defence.
He is much better defensively now then he was in 2011.
It's a myth mate, he was always a great tackler and used to beat his man in defence more often than not.
Yarran is back to his form of 2011. Not surprising considering he's played more of a role across HB this year. In the end a player with so much talent will always come good. I do however like the idea of switching him in between attack and defence.
He is much better defensively now then he was in 2011.
It's a myth mate, he was always a great tackler and used to beat his man in defence more often than not.
Ok so just so we are clear, any player who has gone backwards or plato'd is Micks fault, and any player that is playing well or even better than before is just getting back to their old 2011 form which we can thank Ratten for... Got it. ;)
Malthouse has done wonders for Yarran's career which was on a huge downward spiral in 2012/early 2013.
Yarran is back to his form of 2011. Not surprising considering he's played more of a role across HB this year. In the end a player with so much talent will always come good. I do however like the idea of switching him in between attack and defence.
He is much better defensively now then he was in 2011.
It's a myth mate, he was always a great tackler and used to beat his man in defence more often than not.
Ok so just so we are clear, any player who has gone backwards or plato'd is Micks fault, and any player that is playing well or even better than before is just getting back to their old 2011 form which we can thank Ratten for... Got it. ;)
Wrong...
Those who haven't developed its because of recruitment and development but those who have developed well its because of Mick.
This game is fun ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Yarran is back to his form of 2011. Not surprising considering he's played more of a role across HB this year. In the end a player with so much talent will always come good. I do however like the idea of switching him in between attack and defence.
He is much better defensively now then he was in 2011.
It's a myth mate, he was always a great tackler and used to beat his man in defence more often than not.
Ok so just so we are clear, any player who has gone backwards or plato'd is Micks fault, and any player that is playing well or even better than before is just getting back to their old 2011 form which we can thank Ratten for... Got it. ;)
Wrong...
Those who haven't developed its because of recruitment and development but those who have developed well its because of Mick.
This game is fun ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Well with Micks history in development, I'd say if Mick cant develop someone, then there's not much hope for them as a player. He has a history of getting players to play to their full potential.. Especially the young ones that he gets from early on..
But then you have nuggets like Jimmy Clement who he turned into an A grade full back coming from Freo. His history in recruitment and developing is there for all to see... Just as is the history of our recruitment and development under Ratten who was inexperienced in both. ;)
This is fun.. Yr right. ;D
Some of the players Mick gives some kudos (outstanding in their roles ) to in his weekly message
Starts withe Rowe ......"Hungry for success", wanting to be better...his game was very good
Yarran's run (in general)
Gibbs and Simpsons possessions....highlighted Gibbs' tackle count and Simpsons courage in attempting to spoil Reiwoldt ("simply outstanding")
Complimented Armfield and Everitt (who had a tagging role)
Menzell was terrific and he's "maturing into the player we want him to be" fitness has now picked up.
....and a big wrap for Thomas for his "selfless" game(see Thomas thread)
Yarran is back to his form of 2011. Not surprising considering he's played more of a role across HB this year. In the end a player with so much talent will always come good. I do however like the idea of switching him in between attack and defence.
He is much better defensively now then he was in 2011.
It's a myth mate, he was always a great tackler and used to beat his man in defence more often than not.
Ok so just so we are clear, any player who has gone backwards or plato'd is Micks fault, and any player that is playing well or even better than before is just getting back to their old 2011 form which we can thank Ratten for... Got it. ;)
Wrong...
Those who haven't developed its because of recruitment and development but those who have developed well its because of Mick.
This game is fun ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Well with Micks history in development, I'd say if Mick cant develop someone, then there's not much hope for them as a player. He has a history of getting players to play to their full potential.. Especially the young ones that he gets from early on..
But then you have nuggets like Jimmy Clement who he turned into an A grade full back coming from Freo. His history in recruitment and developing is there for all to see... Just as is the history of our recruitment and development under Ratten who was inexperienced in both. ;)
This is fun.. Yr right. ;D
It is interesting from the sidelines too.
Well into the 3rd qtr and DH/Dommi/MBB hold a 22 pt lead over PI2C & Shadesy. ;) :)
Yarran is back to his form of 2011. Not surprising considering he's played more of a role across HB this year. In the end a player with so much talent will always come good. I do however like the idea of switching him in between attack and defence.
He is much better defensively now then he was in 2011.
It's a myth mate, he was always a great tackler and used to beat his man in defence more often than not.
Ok so just so we are clear, any player who has gone backwards or plato'd is Micks fault, and any player that is playing well or even better than before is just getting back to their old 2011 form which we can thank Ratten for... Got it. ;)
Wrong...
Those who haven't developed its because of recruitment and development but those who have developed well its because of Mick.
This game is fun ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Well with Micks history in development, I'd say if Mick cant develop someone, then there's not much hope for them as a player. He has a history of getting players to play to their full potential.. Especially the young ones that he gets from early on..
But then you have nuggets like Jimmy Clement who he turned into an A grade full back coming from Freo. His history in recruitment and developing is there for all to see... Just as is the history of our recruitment and development under Ratten who was inexperienced in both. ;)
This is fun.. Yr right. ;D
Like Heath Scotland? :-P
I dont have a problem with his Record of turning players around. I said that last week, if we are stuck with him, I hope that's at least what he can do if he is to "refresh" the list.
His record "AT CARLTON" is not showing that at this stage. But like Carrots, I will credit him for his work with Yarran and his development of guys like Lucas (who is a player issue). I can give credit where credit is due. I think his matchday stuff is way better than Ratten ever did.
But I will question other decisions he makes, his mixed messages, his changing of his nmind, him not starting till November, his choice of assistants and outdated game style, where some seem to struggle in doing.
ps. My comment was clearly tongue in cheek to show that both sides are just as guilty as each other.
Yarran is back to his form of 2011. Not surprising considering he's played more of a role across HB this year. In the end a player with so much talent will always come good. I do however like the idea of switching him in between attack and defence.
He is much better defensively now then he was in 2011.
It's a myth mate, he was always a great tackler and used to beat his man in defence more often than not.
Ok so just so we are clear, any player who has gone backwards or plato'd is Micks fault, and any player that is playing well or even better than before is just getting back to their old 2011 form which we can thank Ratten for... Got it. ;)
Wrong...
Those who haven't developed its because of recruitment and development but those who have developed well its because of Mick.
This game is fun ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Well with Micks history in development, I'd say if Mick cant develop someone, then there's not much hope for them as a player. He has a history of getting players to play to their full potential.. Especially the young ones that he gets from early on..
But then you have nuggets like Jimmy Clement who he turned into an A grade full back coming from Freo. His history in recruitment and developing is there for all to see... Just as is the history of our recruitment and development under Ratten who was inexperienced in both. ;)
This is fun.. Yr right. ;D
It is interesting from the sidelines too.
Well into the 3rd qtr and DH/Dommi/MBB hold a 22 pt lead over PI2C & Shadesy. ;) :)
3-5 and sitting 13th, including losses to Melbourne and havent played Geelong, Hawthorn, Fremantle or Sydney yet...
Yarran is back to his form of 2011. Not surprising considering he's played more of a role across HB this year. In the end a player with so much talent will always come good. I do however like the idea of switching him in between attack and defence.
He is much better defensively now then he was in 2011.
It's a myth mate, he was always a great tackler and used to beat his man in defence more often than not.
Ok so just so we are clear, any player who has gone backwards or plato'd is Micks fault, and any player that is playing well or even better than before is just getting back to their old 2011 form which we can thank Ratten for... Got it. ;)
Wrong...
Those who haven't developed its because of recruitment and development but those who have developed well its because of Mick.
This game is fun ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Well with Micks history in development, I'd say if Mick cant develop someone, then there's not much hope for them as a player. He has a history of getting players to play to their full potential.. Especially the young ones that he gets from early on..
But then you have nuggets like Jimmy Clement who he turned into an A grade full back coming from Freo. His history in recruitment and developing is there for all to see... Just as is the history of our recruitment and development under Ratten who was inexperienced in both. ;)
This is fun.. Yr right. ;D
Like Heath Scotland? :-P
I dont have a problem with his Record of turning players around. I said that last week, if we are stuck with him, I hope that's at least what he can do if he is to "refresh" the list.
His record "AT CARLTON" is not showing that at this stage. But like Carrots, I will credit him for his work with Yarran and his development of guys like Lucas (who is a player issue). I can give credit where credit is due. I think his matchday stuff is way better than Ratten ever did.
But I will question other decisions he makes, his mixed messages, his changing of his nmind, him not starting till November, his choice of assistants and outdated game style, where some seem to struggle in doing.
ps. My comment was clearly tongue in cheek to show that both sides are just as guilty as each other.
I know it was TIC.. All good.. :D
Regarding PI2C giving Mick credit for Yarrans form.. I must have missed it..
All I saw was a comment that Yarran is performing no different to how he did back in 2011 under Ratten.. ;)
Regarding Scotland, he had a midfield at the time that Scotland couldn't fit into. From what I remember Scotland asked to be moved on for more midfield opportunity..
Mick didn't want to get rid of Scotland, but agreed to the trade so he could get opportunities.
You have every right to question his and the clubs mixed messages from the past.. I did too..
I've moved on from it and am now and accepted where we are at.
The players seem happy with the game plan and actually had input into it.. So I wont question it if everyone at the club believes in it.
We had an ordinary win against a very ordinary side last night, it tells us nothing new!
We had an ordinary win against a very ordinary side last night, it tells us nothing new!
But ts better than an ordinary loss... ;)
It also told us we have some very good young ones coming through...
We had an ordinary win against a very ordinary side last night, it tells us nothing new!
But ts better than an ordinary loss... ;)
It also told us we have some very good young ones coming through...
Possibly, but the only real experience in the Aints midfield was Hayes and that Grandpa tore us a new one! The Aints played all three of this years draft picks so we should have won by some significant margin more in my opinion!
We are just going LP, any win I'll take. Maybe it will be a catalyst for better things...
We won a game we should have won and that is all you can ask.
We also got another good look at emerging bona fide talent (Menzel, Docherty, Buckley).
And with Curnow, Carrazzo, Judd, Waite and Bell on the sidelines (yes, left out Kreuz... intentionally) we should gradually improve as they arrive back in the side.
We are just going LP, any win I'll take. Maybe it will be a catalyst for better things...
Yep.
If it can bring belief to the system. As MBB said we have won 3 of the last 4, but the one loss shows how far away we actually are. With Adelaide and Brisbane to come, an opportunity exists to square the ledger before being sorted out with the good teams of the comp.
Winning without Scotland, Carrazzo, Waite and Judd also glimpses into the not so distant future and its looking brighter with Buckley, Menzel, Docherty, Yarran, led by Muprhy and Gibbs.
We had an ordinary win against a very ordinary side last night, it tells us nothing new!
But ts better than an ordinary loss... ;)
It also told us we have some very good young ones coming through...
Possibly, but the only real experience in the Aints midfield was Hayes and that Grandpas tore us a new one! The Aints played all three of this years draft picks so we should have won by some significant margin more in my opinion!
We slaughtered them in most areas.. The thing we had trouble with was consolidating on the hard work and kicking goals..
We still do have signifiacnt brain lapses.. We were 46 points up with 4 minutes to go..
This is what I keep saying its between the ears also. We lack the ability to concentrate for the whole game, or good parts of it..
Hendo had a bad night all round.. We need another key forward.. Hendo Casboult and (insert reliable key forward here) and will be much better for it.
As Shadesy points out, the good thing about this win is that it was achieved with many players who are likely to be part of our future and we are seeing the boys being weaned away from those who were our past - Carrazzo, Waite, Judd, Scotland. I'm sure this is not totally accidental.
Next year it will be vital to bring in even more new blood as we we see the last of the older brigade fade away. OK, there's some pain attached but in a way it's quite exciting - can't wait for the drafts/trade periods actually. 8)
White and Murph not cited.
Robbo offered one week for an early plea (lucky the jumper was over his head, otherwise it would probably been more).
MRP said Rowe pushed Riewoldt into Murph's path - common sense prevails.
White and Murph not cited.
Robbo offered one week for an early plea (lucky the jumper was over his head, otherwise it would probably been more).
MRP said Rowe pushed Riewoldt into Murph's path - common sense prevails.
Glad to read that Robbo can inflict damage on the opposition even when blind folded! He must be bl00dy good with the pinata?
Talking of Robbo, he's been playing a lot better in the last few games IMO.
MRP said Rowe pushed Riewoldt into Murph's path - common sense prevails.
You'd know they were really out to get us if Murphy is getting rubbed out.
Yarran is back to his form of 2011. Not surprising considering he's played more of a role across HB this year. In the end a player with so much talent will always come good. I do however like the idea of switching him in between attack and defence.
He is much better defensively now then he was in 2011.
It's a myth mate, he was always a great tackler and used to beat his man in defence more often than not.
Ok so just so we are clear, any player who has gone backwards or plato'd is Micks fault, and any player that is playing well or even better than before is just getting back to their old 2011 form which we can thank Ratten for... Got it. ;)
Mate have you not read anything I've posted in the last 2 weeks?? My issue isn't with development, it's with players that are underperforming. There's a difference. Yarran was underperforming, now he isn't. I really don't see the big deal, but I do like how you say a player is responsible for their own performance until they play well, then it's the coach. LOL. :)) He is back to his 2011 best.
Yarran to me is the most talented player on our list and the most talented to walk into the club that I've seen. It is a given that he will be a star IMO, other may differ but that's where I sit.
I gave Mick credit for playing Lucas last year, and I acknowledged how swinging Yarran around the park has been great for him. In the very post you pointed out! You seriously must just read only what you want to read.
MRP said Rowe pushed Riewoldt into Murph's path - common sense prevails.
You'd know they were really out to get us if Murphy is getting rubbed out.
Murphy is a ball player, fair and honest as they come. That said, it's good he knocked out Reiwoldt who has bullied our blokes for years.
I watched some other recorded tv shows with the missus as it was not on fta tv...
Glad we won.
MRP said Rowe pushed Riewoldt into Murph's path - common sense prevails.
You'd know they were really out to get us if Murphy is getting rubbed out.
Murphy is a ball player, fair and honest as they come. That said, it's good he knocked out Reiwoldt who has bullied our blokes for years.
Yep, he deserved it even if it was accidental. Shame we couldn't whack Kosi some time before he retired. :))
Yarran is back to his form of 2011. Not surprising considering he's played more of a role across HB this year. In the end a player with so much talent will always come good. I do however like the idea of switching him in between attack and defence.
PI2C Yarran started on the wing when Jones went to him he pushed fwd then for matchups went back, Yazz has become our swingman!!!
I think we can give the recruiters are tick on this one now?
If he played for Hawthorn he would be compared with Rioli and reckon he provides more than Cyril does.
Rioli is overrated
White and Murph not cited.
Robbo offered one week for an early plea (lucky the jumper was over his head, otherwise it would probably been more).
MRP said Rowe pushed Riewoldt into Murph's path - common sense prevails.
Glad to read that Robbo can inflict damage on the opposition even when blind folded! He must be bl00dy good with the pinata?
Talking of Robbo, he's been playing a lot better in the last few games IMO.
Agree Cookie. More direct and long. Also been dishing off to a runner cruising passed a lot more. Haven't seen a "Robbo" from him in a while. Others have contracted abit of the "Robbos" though.
Well done.
Really messy game from both teams, but good to get 4 pts.
IQ missed the first quarter, so I didn't see what must have been some attrocious kicking. Was pleasently surprised though by some decent kicking from our boys during the game.
What stood out for me above all else, is that our present problems seem mostly due to work rate.
We definitely don't have a flag winning list, but we have seen that when our guys play at 100% work rate, they are capable of doing damage to anyone. We just don't trun up consistently... Both week in week out, and even for 4 quarters of a game.
Fix that, and we are only a couple of players away from challenging.
Yarran is back to his form of 2011. Not surprising considering he's played more of a role across HB this year. In the end a player with so much talent will always come good. I do however like the idea of switching him in between attack and defence.
PI2C Yarran started on the wing when Jones went to him he pushed fwd then for matchups went back, Yazz has become our swingman!!!
I think we can give the recruiters are tick on this one now?
If he played for Hawthorn he would be compared with Rioli and reckon he provides more than Cyril does.
Rioli is overrated
SOOOOO overrated ::)
Plays around 12 games a year as well.....or at least over the past few years.
If all these Carlton players that are apparently better than Hawthorn players actually played for Hawthorn it would be great because the Hawks would be in the bottom half of the ladder.
No surprise to see MBB stick up for his beloved Hawks. :P
While I do think we have a few players who would make the cut at Hawthorn, because I think a few of the Dawks are over-rated.
However, I do think we lack the type of players the Dawks have in spades, they have 4 or 5 blokes who clearly set the tone for the Dawks week in and week out, which is probably 3 or 4 more than us! It is no coincidence that having 2 or 3 of those blokes out saw them lose to the Swans.
The two Blues I rate in this way are Judd and Simpson.
Give Murphy, Cripps, Buckley and Bell another year and we should be looking much better provided blokes like Armfield, Docherty and Curnow can get on the park. If we can get an intimidating attack on the ball from one large defender and one large forward to add to that we will be looking 1000% better.
I missed the game, why it wasn't on FTA up here I'll never understand.
From reports we are taking baby steps forward. Maybe not moving ahead as quickly as some would like (including me!), but I think we are headed in the right general direction.
I agree with the above... we have players that bring more to the table than their raw ability and the side needs them on the park to do well. A classic is Armfield... fair dinkum, I don't know what this bloke brings other than an ability to run or what position actually suits him but his effort really counts and we play much better when he is in the 22.
I agree with the above... we have players that bring more to the table than their raw ability and the side needs them on the park to do well. A classic is Armfield... fair dinkum, I don't know what this bloke brings other than an ability to run or what position actually suits him but his effort really counts and we play much better when he is in the 22.
He hurts the opposition, one way or the other.
It must be disheartening to be passed by a bloke who is just trying to lay a shepherd!
Just my opinion, but when he is in the team with Yarran and Garlett the team dynamic changes, opposition clubs just cannot cover them all. Further blokes like Bell, McLean, Curnow and Tuohy then get 2nd or 3rd tier opponents.
I missed the game, why it wasn't on FTA up here I'll never understand.
From reports we are taking baby steps forward. Maybe not moving ahead as quickly as some would like (including me!), but I think we are headed in the right general direction.
We're ahead of where we were 4 weeks ago but not ahead of a year ago IMO. Hopefully it clicks before we play some good sides.
We don't seem to have played many great sides.....the pain must begin somewhere.
Just taking a look, we never play great sides more than two weeks running. We have Geelong, Hawthorn (GWS in the middle) then Collingwood and we play Geelong and Port in rounds 21 and 22. Other than that our draw is actually quite a favourable one.
I only listened to the game on the radio, but it seems we were using the corridor a lot more, is that correct?
On another note, RE: Everitt- he reminds me of Paul Bower at times... Not a great sign
Not getting the Everitt hate. He's not even playing in defence. He's been playing as a run with on the oppositions best mid. Montagna was first in the league for effective kicks, disposals etc in the league over the last 3 weeks before Monday night. Everitt completely owned him .
I only listened to the game on the radio, but it seems we were using the corridor a lot more, is that correct?
On another note, RE: Everitt- he reminds me of Paul Bower at times... Not a great sign
Not getting the Everitt hate. He's not even playing in defence. He's been playing as a run with on the oppositions best mid. Montagna was first in the league for effective kicks, disposals etc in the league over the last 3 weeks before Monday night. Everitt completely owned him .
He avoids contact, unwilling to put his body on the line. His skills are average and did we really need another run with player? We have an abundance of them. I always thought we were getting him for a better role.
I only listened to the game on the radio, but it seems we were using the corridor a lot more, is that correct?
On another note, RE: Everitt- he reminds me of Paul Bower at times... Not a great sign
Not getting the Everitt hate. He's not even playing in defence. He's been playing as a run with on the oppositions best mid. Montagna was first in the league for effective kicks, disposals etc in the league over the last 3 weeks before Monday night. Everitt completely owned him .
He avoids contact, unwilling to put his body on the line. His skills are average and did we really need another run with player? We have an abundance of them. I always thought we were getting him for a better role.
Skills are average? He's our only player who can consistently kick a set shot.
If we didn't have Everitt, who would've gone to Sidebottom, Gaff, Montagna etc when we lost Curnow & Carrots?
He's doing his role & that's what Mick wants. And considering Mick publicly praises his Everitt, I'm going to go with Mick.
Well you asked the question I gave my opinion. You need to learn something about Mick he will never admit defeat, he will always back up his decisions with praise for the player. Just look at his praise of Daisy last week. ATM, we got two players in and last week they both played tagging roles.
Everitt's skills are not much chop. If he's in there doing Carrots and Curnow's role, he had better find something else soon. Other than that we also have Cachia and Armfield who can run with opposition players. I thought he took a few impressive marks up forward in the NAB Cup, looked very strong overhead, but he's tagging. I don't see the point in getting another tagger to the club.
I only listened to the game on the radio, but it seems we were using the corridor a lot more, is that correct?
On another note, RE: Everitt- he reminds me of Paul Bower at times... Not a great sign
Not getting the Everitt hate. He's not even playing in defence. He's been playing as a run with on the oppositions best mid. Montagna was first in the league for effective kicks, disposals etc in the league over the last 3 weeks before Monday night. Everitt completely owned him .
He avoids contact, unwilling to put his body on the line. His skills are average and did we really need another run with player? We have an abundance of them. I always thought we were getting him for a better role.
Skills are average? He's our only player who can consistently kick a set shot.
If we didn't have Everitt, who would've gone to Sidebottom, Gaff, Montagna etc when we lost Curnow & Carrots?
He's doing his role & that's what Mick wants. And considering Mick publicly praises his Everitt, I'm going to go with Mick.
I never knocked his skills or abilities. What I was trying to get at, was that once some pressure is applied he plays a bit like Paul Bower did i.e Deer in Headlights
I only listened to the game on the radio, but it seems we were using the corridor a lot more, is that correct?
On another note, RE: Everitt- he reminds me of Paul Bower at times... Not a great sign
Not getting the Everitt hate. He's not even playing in defence. He's been playing as a run with on the oppositions best mid. Montagna was first in the league for effective kicks, disposals etc in the league over the last 3 weeks before Monday night. Everitt completely owned him .
He avoids contact, unwilling to put his body on the line. His skills are average and did we really need another run with player? We have an abundance of them. I always thought we were getting him for a better role.
Skills are average? He's our only player who can consistently kick a set shot.
If we didn't have Everitt, who would've gone to Sidebottom, Gaff, Montagna etc when we lost Curnow & Carrots?
He's doing his role & that's what Mick wants. And considering Mick publicly praises his Everitt, I'm going to go with Mick.
I never knocked his skills or abilities. What I was trying to get at, was that once some pressure is applied he plays a bit like Paul Bower did i.e Deer in Headlights
My second post was in response to PI2C in which he knocked his skills & abilities.
I only listened to the game on the radio, but it seems we were using the corridor a lot more, is that correct?
On another note, RE: Everitt- he reminds me of Paul Bower at times... Not a great sign
Not getting the Everitt hate. He's not even playing in defence. He's been playing as a run with on the oppositions best mid. Montagna was first in the league for effective kicks, disposals etc in the league over the last 3 weeks before Monday night. Everitt completely owned him .
He avoids contact, unwilling to put his body on the line. His skills are average and did we really need another run with player? We have an abundance of them. I always thought we were getting him for a better role.
Two of which are on the sidelines so at present, we don't have an abundance.
Everitt's skills are not much chop.
I'd have to disagree there Carrots. He plays a role we've not had at Carlton in the modern era. Accountable in defence, loose man on the wing, third key forward, presence at stoppages and a clever footballer under pressure. Sure Waite may draw similar accolades, but he has not been as consistent and still lacks the ability to stay on the park. If we can get some quality players around him, Everitt will become a giant of our club IMO.
I only listened to the game on the radio, but it seems we were using the corridor a lot more, is that correct?
On another note, RE: Everitt- he reminds me of Paul Bower at times... Not a great sign
Not getting the Everitt hate. He's not even playing in defence. He's been playing as a run with on the oppositions best mid. Montagna was first in the league for effective kicks, disposals etc in the league over the last 3 weeks before Monday night. Everitt completely owned him .
He avoids contact, unwilling to put his body on the line. His skills are average and did we really need another run with player? We have an abundance of them. I always thought we were getting him for a better role.
Two of which are on the sidelines so at present, we don't have an abundance.
I would have thought 4 is enough personally. I thought our list was sheizen?
I only listened to the game on the radio, but it seems we were using the corridor a lot more, is that correct?
On another note, RE: Everitt- he reminds me of Paul Bower at times... Not a great sign
Not getting the Everitt hate. He's not even playing in defence. He's been playing as a run with on the oppositions best mid. Montagna was first in the league for effective kicks, disposals etc in the league over the last 3 weeks before Monday night. Everitt completely owned him .
He avoids contact, unwilling to put his body on the line. His skills are average and did we really need another run with player? We have an abundance of them. I always thought we were getting him for a better role.
Two of which are on the sidelines so at present, we don't have an abundance.
I would have thought 4 is enough personally. I thought our list was sheizen?
Was merely commenting on the the number of of run withs on our list. Carrots can't get on the park, Curnow has a busted leg, Gibbs can do it but you lose a mid.