I have no idea why but this bloke Tuohy (http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2014-04-15/tuohy-calls-for-unity) has something that can potentially unite, I find it intangible.
When you listen to him speak he just seems to say the right things!
I think Tuohy in conjunction with Simpson and and the other Irish compatriots might be the key to uniting our club.
They have a perception of durability, fight, endurance and defiance that others don't!
The don't have to become leaders, just a symbol of defiance, rebels even, highwaymen, bush rangers!
The concept feels right, even Daisey fits the bill!
Tuohy is another who has gone backwards this year.
Been ordinary...Dunn smashed him in the Melbourne game and I would drop him.
Got carried away being superboot and kicking 50m goals and has forgotten how to defend...
To me it looks like his role has changed, last season he was tasked with pushing forward and breaking lines. It looks like this year he has turned stay at home defender, I presume because we have so many taggers it is just crazy!
I am not sure this is all MMs doing, note we have seen changes in roles of assistants as well. Although I concede MM takes responsibility, something he admits, unlike the contrast that is James Hird!
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2014-04-15/tuohy-calls-for-unity
The Portlaois-born defender, who was one of only 5 Carlton players to play in all 24 matches last season, acknowledges the criticism from hurting supporters after four straight losses, but insists that Malthouse’s game plan is not to blame for the 0-4 start to the season.
Interesting, I remember that Ratten had similar issues in 2012 regarding the number of players that were able to get on the park every week. From memory there were only 3 that achieved it.
Bryce Gibbs, Eddie Betts, and Jeff Garlett.
It was one of the reasons why I was arguing against his sacking. If true, it indicates that Malthouse might have simply had different players fit, but a similar issue regarding the number of players that were actually available on a weekly basis.
It might also explain why our players are so flat at the moment. As we know interrupted pre seasons hurt, but in AFL football, consecutive interrupted pre seasons can mean the end of a career let alone an entire footy club suffering that problem.
Been ordinary...Dunn smashed him in the Melbourne game and I would drop him.
Got carried away being superboot and kicking 50m goals and has forgotten how to defend...
Quite a number of people, myself included, think he should be given a go in the middle or even further up field. Think of him as a bigger, angrier version of Armfield. Need a bit of mongrel for this weekend. Who would you rather have beside you in the oven..Murphy, Gibbs or Tuohy? Precisely. Need someone to lay a few Dishlickers flat on their asses from the get go this weekend to set the tone. My concern is about endeavour and Tuohy wouldn't shirk from fronting up. Perfect example was Jamieson not standing up to Goddard when the dog started pushing young Buckley around...Jamieson just walked right past. Was pathetic and poor from a so called senior player. Another example was no one coming over to young Cripps last week when the lad missed his set shot and not patting him on the shoulder to say all is well. That is the leadership group failing right there. Disgraceful.
Loved the way Tuohy whacked Goddard when we played the scum. Was the only bit of passion I saw all night.
Loved the way Tuohy whacked Goddard when we played the scum. Was the only bit of passion I saw all night.
It stood out in Waite's absence didn't it?
In kind I think the message the club gave to Waite was just wrong. Sure let him know being reported was wrong, but curbing his ways was wrong as well.
Tuohy is one of the fastest blokes we have over 20-50m. Put him on a flank and let him run dammit!
Admittedly though, he form has gone WAAY backwards from last year.
Tuohy is one of the fastest blokes we have over 20-50m. Put him on a flank and let him run dammit!
Admittedly though, he form has gone WAAY backwards from last year.
As I said earlier I think it is primarily because his role has changed. Perhaps because of Daisey's arrival Tuohy's opportunities to push forward have been greatly limited. You cannot have all 22 streaming into the F50, someone has to sit back.
FWIW, I think McLean is in the same boat, his game in the VFL suggested his form is OK yet in the 1s he has had little opportunity. Last year McLean was the guy sneaking forward marking himself a marking and goal kicking target, it has been that role for the last two or three seasons. This year it is Daisey!
Tuohy is one of the fastest blokes we have over 20-50m. Put him on a flank and let him run dammit!
Admittedly though, he form has gone WAAY backwards from last year.
As I said earlier I think it is primarily because his role has changed. Perhaps because of Daisey's arrival Tuohy's opportunities to push forward have been greatly limited. You cannot have all 22 streaming into the F50, someone has to sit back.
FWIW, I think McLean is in the same boat, his game in the VFL suggested his form is OK yet in the 1s he has had little opportunity. Last year McLean was the guy sneaking forward marking himself a marking and goal kicking target, it has been that role for the last two or three seasons. This year it is Daisey!
Daisy may be '
that guy' but he has failed in that role. How many goals has he kicked!? How many marks inside 50 has he taken!? Tuohy and Brock have done a better job in the past IMO. Daisy isn't earning his $$ AFAIC.
Daisy may be 'that guy' but he has failed in that role. How many goals has he kicked!? How many marks inside 50 has he taken!? Tuohy and Brock have done a better job in the past IMO. Daisy isn't earning his $$ AFAIC.
Give him time, Daisey will come good he isn't limping he just looks physically drained, it may be next season before we see him at his best. My only criticism would be we should not carry Daisey in a role that may not be able to complete at the moment. There are plenty of jobs he can do, and several blokes who can fill that current role well. For example, Armfield if fit must be close to a return!
Daisy may be 'that guy' but he has failed in that role. How many goals has he kicked!? How many marks inside 50 has he taken!? Tuohy and Brock have done a better job in the past IMO. Daisy isn't earning his $$ AFAIC.
Give him time, Daisey will come good he isn't limping he just looks physically drained, it may be next season before we see him at his best. My only criticism would be we should not carry Daisey in a role that may not be able to complete at the moment. There are plenty of jobs he can do, and several blokes who can fill that current role well. For example, Armfield if fit must be close to a return!
Don't get me wrong, i'm not bagging the guy. But i totally agree with you that if there are others who can currently fulfill the role well, let them play that role. Until others prove they can do it better.
Been ordinary...Dunn smashed him in the Melbourne game and I would drop him.
Got carried away being superboot and kicking 50m goals and has forgotten how to defend...
Quite a number of people, myself included, think he should be given a go in the middle or even further up field. Think of him as a bigger, angrier version of Armfield. Need a bit of mongrel for this weekend. Who would you rather have beside you in the oven..Murphy, Gibbs or Tuohy? Precisely. Need someone to lay a few Dishlickers flat on their asses from the get go this weekend to set the tone. My concern is about endeavour and Tuohy wouldn't shirk from fronting up. Perfect example was Jamieson not standing up to Goddard when the dog started pushing young Buckley around...Jamieson just walked right past. Was pathetic and poor from a so called senior player. Another example was no one coming over to young Cripps last week when the lad missed his set shot and not patting him on the shoulder to say all is well. That is the leadership group failing right there. Disgraceful.
Amen.
Been ordinary...Dunn smashed him in the Melbourne game and I would drop him.
Got carried away being superboot and kicking 50m goals and has forgotten how to defend...
Quite a number of people, myself included, think he should be given a go in the middle or even further up field. Think of him as a bigger, angrier version of Armfield. Need a bit of mongrel for this weekend. Who would you rather have beside you in the oven..Murphy, Gibbs or Tuohy? Precisely. Need someone to lay a few Dishlickers flat on their asses from the get go this weekend to set the tone. My concern is about endeavour and Tuohy wouldn't shirk from fronting up. Perfect example was Jamieson not standing up to Goddard when the dog started pushing young Buckley around...Jamieson just walked right past. Was pathetic and poor from a so called senior player. Another example was no one coming over to young Cripps last week when the lad missed his set shot and not patting him on the shoulder to say all is well. That is the leadership group failing right there. Disgraceful.
Amen.
x2
Been ordinary...Dunn smashed him in the Melbourne game and I would drop him.
Got carried away being superboot and kicking 50m goals and has forgotten how to defend...
Absolute liability in Defence second to Andrew walker. At least Zach can Kick.
Gave up 8 goals between them against Essendon. Hardingham kicked 4 on him...says it all.
I like Zach but has got ahead of himself.
Opposition have realised that all you have to do is take him deep into defensive 50 and isolate him 1 on 1 with a smart forward opponent..
His defensive footy smarts aren't the greatest, that's what his main weakness is, and when isolated deep he gets exposed..
"Oscar Judd Syndrome" ;) :D
http://www.irishecho.com.au/tag/zach-tuohy
Maybe. I could understand that. Becoming a parent for the first time makes a lot of changes in your life.
However, I have pointed out Zac's lack of form for some time now. He was brilliant against North Melbourne at Ballarat until he got injured, but has struggled thereafter.
I would seriously consider dropping him until he got the form and confidence back, as he has been leaking goals recently. I would also be tempted to play him further up the ground, where his strength and counter attacking can help him. On the wing? In the middle?
Wherever he plays, he needs to get the bodying back to where it was: he hasn't been out bodied until this year. And he needs to have his player worrying about him more and him worrying about his man less for a while.
Crash I am with you. he definitely offers more in the middle or further up the ground where he can attack the scoreboard. Being a defender isn't his biggest strength.
Very difficult for the backline when a team is playing like we are. I don't care what anyone says, if there's no pressure up the field a backmans job is almost impossible.
But Zac is struggling in other ways. Seems the opposition coaches are more awake to Zac's lack of form than our super coach.
Teams are going through his man.
I like the guy, but needs a spell in the two's.
I really had thought Zac was some tough hombre, but in the Tigers game Dustin Martin just shrugged him away, gathered the contested ball and calmly slotted what I thought was the sealer, easy as you like. Poor old Zac was just nowhere in the contest - I figured there is something wrong with him, very uncharacteristic IMO.
I really had thought Zac was some tough hombre, but in the Tigers game Dustin Martin just shrugged him away, gathered the contested ball and calmly slotted what I thought was the sealer, easy as you like. Poor old Zac was just nowhere in the contest - I figured there is something wrong with him, very uncharacteristic IMO.
I don't think he has gotten over what ever injury he picked up in the NAB
Give him time, Daisey will come good he isn't limping he just looks physically drained, it may be next season before we see him at his best. My only criticism would be we should not carry Daisey in a role that may not be able to complete at the moment. There are plenty of jobs he can do, and several blokes who can fill that current role well. For example, Armfield if fit must be close to a return!
Seriously - that's how you spell Daisy???
Anyhoo.....no-one has had more goals kicked on him this year than our Tuohy - been deadset hopeless, with most goals on him from marks. Defending means stopping your opponent from scoring & Tuohy has arguably been our worst in that regard. He's a liability at the moment.....
I keep spelling it like Daisey's Hotel, www.daiseyshotel.com.au (http://www.daiseyshotel.com.au)
I really had thought Zac was some tough hombre, but in the Tigers game Dustin Martin just shrugged him away, gathered the contested ball and calmly slotted what I thought was the sealer, easy as you like. Poor old Zac was just nowhere in the contest - I figured there is something wrong with him, very uncharacteristic IMO.
I think that it's more about his ability to play one on one against opponents who have grown up playing the game. In that contest with Martin, Tuohy was totally focused on Martin and didn't make the ball his object. Opposition analysts will have identified Tuohy's weakness and will try to isolate him close to goal.
We really need a genuine defender who can win the one on one contests and get the ball to the likes of Tuohy, Walker and Yarran.
I really had thought Zac was some tough hombre, but in the Tigers game Dustin Martin just shrugged him away, gathered the contested ball and calmly slotted what I thought was the sealer, easy as you like. Poor old Zac was just nowhere in the contest - I figured there is something wrong with him, very uncharacteristic IMO.
Game was over by that goal. The sealer was Vickery's about 2 mins earlier than that off Robbie Warnock's howler of a clearing kick.
Still, you dont like to concede rather soft goals, and that was an example.
No one has been playing particularly well at the minute, so its really hard to point to isolated examples of what someone is doing and state that this was a factor in our loss. It was simply one more thing that didnt go well.
I really had thought Zac was some tough hombre, but in the Tigers game Dustin Martin just shrugged him away, gathered the contested ball and calmly slotted what I thought was the sealer, easy as you like. Poor old Zac was just nowhere in the contest - I figured there is something wrong with him, very uncharacteristic IMO.
Game was over by that goal. The sealer was Vickery's about 2 mins earlier than that off Robbie Warnock's howler of a clearing kick.
Still, you dont like to concede rather soft goals, and that was an example.
No one has been playing particularly well at the minute, so its really hard to point to isolated examples of what someone is doing and state that this was a factor in our loss. It was simply one more thing that didnt go well.
That was used purely as ONE example to illustrate where he's at atm. Even if the game was over there's no real excuse for a weak effort like that - and making any excuse for him is symptomatic of the p1ss weak culture of our club. Every example should be highlighted as something about the way we go about things that needs to be fixed. Let's not over-analyse here or try to be too understanding - the simple message to the players should be "That was not acceptable, get it out of your game!"
I really had thought Zac was some tough hombre, but in the Tigers game Dustin Martin just shrugged him away, gathered the contested ball and calmly slotted what I thought was the sealer, easy as you like. Poor old Zac was just nowhere in the contest - I figured there is something wrong with him, very uncharacteristic IMO.
Gee, you will end up with a big pile of players if you stack up everyone Martin has already or will burn off in coming seasons. Martin is at least as good as Chapman in a one on one contest in my opinion and years younger, maybe not as fast as Chapman, but combining both agility and strength that many players just do not have. If Martin had the pace of a Judd, Ablett or Cousins he would be a world beater!
Tuohy needs to work on his agility to go with blokes like that, and of course he is only still a beginner by relative standards.
@LP
Martin is just one example of the kind of opposition we have to deal with on a weekly basis LP - we have to be able to go with them. There are no excuses IMO so we'll have to agree to differ.
Cookie, read my post again. Im not making an excuse, Im simply staying it wasnt the sealer, and I agreed it was a weak effort.
@LP
Martin is just one example of the kind of opposition we have to deal with on a weekly basis LP - we have to be able to go with them. There are no excuses IMO so we'll have to agree to differ.
True, but I do not agree that using Martin vs Tuohy in the dying minute of a dead and buried game is a valid criticism of Tuohy's general ability. It is a bit like criticising a 400m hurdler who stumbled on the last and jogged out the race!
Overall I won't accept a lot of criticism of any of our defense so far this season, because our midfield and forwards have pretty much burned them by letting the ball coast freely out of our forward line through the midfield and into the scoring zone.
FFS, the disparity between entries into F50 between us and our opposition is mind boggling, not purely the count but the way it is happening! I have lost count how many times we run forward only to have a mid turn the ball over with poor foot skills leaving the defenders in no-mans land! It is as bad as I have ever seen, we have gone backwards, and we were already pretty ordinary relative to other clubs!
@LP
Martin is just one example of the kind of opposition we have to deal with on a weekly basis LP - we have to be able to go with them. There are no excuses IMO so we'll have to agree to differ.
True, but I do not agree that using Martin vs Tuohy in the dying minute of a dead and buried game is a valid criticism of Tuohy's general ability. It is a bit like criticising a 400m hurdler who stumbled on the last and jogged out the race!
I won't accept a lot of criticism of any of our defense so far this season, because our midfield and forwards have pretty much burned them by letting the ball coast freely out of our forward line through the midfield and into the scoring zone.
You haven't been reading again properly LP - I wasn't criticising Tuohy's general ability - I think I used the word "uncharacteristic" didn't I? It was purely an example of the type of sloppiness that is symptomatic of our game and culture atm and you can make as many excuses as you like and spin it to your heart's content.
You haven't been reading again properly LP - I wasn't criticising Tuohy's general ability - I think I used the word "uncharacteristic" didn't I? It was purely an example of the type of sloppiness that is symptomatic of our game and culture atm and you can make as many excuses as you like and spin it to your heart's content.
But it is not spin Cookie2, what I describe about the defense situation is actually happening in games, and blokes can only get burnt by team-mates so often before the wheels fall off.
It was in my opinion one of the reasons Bell was dropped, because he let his direct opponents off the hook in the midfield which killed our defense. Despite being hard at the ball, the way Bell played burnt his team-mates! He got possessions at their expense not in support of them!
At this stage id swing Tuohy forward.
You haven't been reading again properly LP - I wasn't criticising Tuohy's general ability - I think I used the word "uncharacteristic" didn't I? It was purely an example of the type of sloppiness that is symptomatic of our game and culture atm and you can make as many excuses as you like and spin it to your heart's content.
But it is not spin Cookie2, what I describe about the defense situation is actually happening in games, and blokes can only get burnt by team-mates so often before the wheels fall off.
It was in my opinion one of the reasons Bell was dropped, because he let his direct opponents off the hook in the midfield which killed our defense. Despite being hard at the ball, the way Bell played burnt his team-mates! He got possessions at their expense not in support of them!
Yes I will agree with you 100% that our midfield allows a lot more pressure to come onto our defence, but the incident I was talking about was still sloppy. I'm not singling 2E out for specific criticism, but using that incident as a glaring example of the team's general sloppiness and poor approach. It was so obvious as the contest was a pure one on one with no other players anywhere near. I was sitting right opposite and it just made me want to cringe under the seat - it's burned into my mind. There were plenty of others from other players I might add.
All I'm saying is that those kinds of incidents are symptomatic of our present culture or collective state of mind and should be used as examples of the kind of stuff that needs to be urgently corrected if we are to become competitive again - there are plenty of other issues I agree.
A good team is usually where players know each others game well and can read what they are going to do with the footy.
Kade Simpson is this sort of player.....on the other hand you have Tom Bell.....nothing consistent about his disposal or what he is doing with
the footy. He misses targets often because he expects players to run in one direction and they dont...handballs go into open space for example.
Bell needs to keep its simple and let his teammates get familiar with his pattern of game and not try and get to cute with the ball and always play it safe...then he might make it as a player.
Tuohy is another who has gone backwards this year.
Carrots you are always so negative. Can't be fun being you.
Needs a run in the Magoos ,hopElessly out of form,if we can drop Waite and Garlett then he must go,a liability at the moment.Sorry thats how I see it
Tuohy is another who has gone backwards this year.
Carrots you are always so negative. Can't be fun being you.
Actually I have a wife and two kids and am very happy with life ATM. I'm usually a positive person when there's something to be positive about. Pretty sure everyone agrees he's playing carp. Why pick on me?
Yep. Zac has gone backwards.
Needs to be dropped to get some form in the two's
Cookie, read my post again. Im not making an excuse, Im simply staying it wasnt the sealer, and I agreed it was a weak effort.
OK but when it happened was the moment which I gave up on the game from memory. Didn't leave but gave up all hope.
From memory I think there was less than a minute on the clock after that goal, and the game was already gone as we needed a goal to tie the match at that stage, but in any case the minute mark of the game is not important. The fact is that it wasnt good enough.
Martin is a super talented player I think you'd find he'd beat most of our defenders in that situation.
Tuohy is another who has gone backwards this year.
Carrots you are always so negative. Can't be fun being you.
Actually I have a wife and two kids and am very happy with life ATM. I'm usually a positive person when there's something to be positive about. Pretty sure everyone agrees he's playing carp. Why pick on me?
Only because you are the ring leader... I think.
C:-)
Not for Tuohy I'm not. I really rate the guy. I think he's suffering from lack of confidence just like the rest of the team apart from maybe Chris Yarran.
Martin is a super talented player I think you'd find he'd beat most of our defenders in that situation.
That's true. I thought he would goal if he got his hands on the ball. However, Tuohy just followed Martin rather than trying to beat him to the ball or take him out of the contest. I'd back Carrazzo, Ellard, Cachia, Gibbs, etc to make it a lot harder for Martin.
I think Tuohy has been a great addition to our squad and I'm sure he'll go on to play many great games for the club. The issue is that other clubs are using his opponent very effectively as a scoring option. The fact that he has had lots of goals kicked on him will be affecting his confidence and making him even less likely to back himself in a contest.
I think we have to persevere with Tuohy in defence . . . but, we should move Walker forward and bring in a hard-nosed defender.
Not for Tuohy I'm not. I really rate the guy. I think he's suffering from lack of confidence just like the rest of the team apart from maybe Chris Yarran.
It is interesting how he is looking better than ever.
Not for Tuohy I'm not. I really rate the guy. I think he's suffering from lack of confidence just like the rest of the team apart from maybe Chris Yarran.
It is interesting how he is looking better than ever.
He has too much talent LR, had to shine through sooner or later. In reality, he should already be a whole lot better than he is but he'll get there.
He has too much talent LR, had to shine through sooner or later. In reality, he should already be a whole lot better than he is but he'll get there.
I think he likes being the best player in the team.... just one of those guys.
He has too much talent LR, had to shine through sooner or later. In reality, he should already be a whole lot better than he is but he'll get there.
I think he likes being the best player in the team.... just one of those guys.
When he is on fire, he can really hurt other sides.
Not for Tuohy I'm not. I really rate the guy. I think he's suffering from lack of confidence just like the rest of the team apart from maybe Chris Yarran.
It is interesting how he is looking better than ever.
I've posted this already but Yarran is a very very determined young man, mentally very tough and very focused IMO, despite being regarded but some as mentally soft and a bit of a front runner. He's started to show this steel now, I've recently noticed it really starting to shine through - he's there for the long haul for sure. I admit I had him completely wrong in the early days.
I tend to agree with the comments about Yarran but wouldn't that mean our recruiters got something right? :o
I tend to agree with the comments about Yarran but wouldn't that mean our recruiters got something right? :o
Recruiters were never wrong with Yazz, but he has underperformed and has received warranted criticism from coaches and the media alike.
He has too much talent LR, had to shine through sooner or later. In reality, he should already be a whole lot better than he is but he'll get there.
I think he likes being the best player in the team.... just one of those guys.
Yep he's a competitive beast, sees himself as the best, wants to be the best, just has to produce it consistently now.