In a match that had plenty of thrills and spills, we have finally put a win on the board.
It wasn't without it's tense moments either, if the Dogs had of kicked straight in the last it may have been a different story.
Judd's injury will be the big talking point.
Some very good, some very ordinary but it's nice to smile for a while isn't it ?? ;)
Where did the leadership come from if Murph is, according to just about everybody, not a captain..
That was last week
They delivered what they promised. #United
Very proud of all the boys as they played their guts out until the end. Sure there was some ordinary footy but they played with heart. But this is just the starting point, not an achievement.
2:1 on MM complains about the style of game!
it was a collective effort with guys prepared to take the game on
A stark contrast to the month past.
Running through the middle, linking hard and quick puts opposition defense under pressure
We're not skilled enough to play tempo footy, I m glad we played to our strengths
Judd's injury will be the big talking point.
LP predicted it. :o
Looks like Curnow could have a broken leg too :(
Apart from the injuries it's damn good to get a win on the board ;D
I'm just glad we won. Please tell me everything!
Well, let's so what this win does for the group. We may gather some momentum from a bit of confidence. Good to see Hendo kick a bag, and Murph put in s solid performance.
Still lots of work to do though...
Judd's injury will be the big talking point.
LP predicted it. :o
Looks like Curnow could have a broken leg too :(
Apart from the injuries it's damn good to get a win on the board ;D
How did that happen?
Judd's injury will be the big talking point.
LP predicted it. :o
Looks like Curnow could have a broken leg too :(
Apart from the injuries it's damn good to get a win on the board ;D
How did that happen?
Curnow was wrapped around the point post.
wondering how did Levi go??
Small defence and it sound like Waite and Hendo played fwd so i would expected a lot from Levi sounded like a perfect game for him.
The injury toll from this match could be very high, we know Judd is gone for a while but there will be a huge question mark over Curnow now plus there may be a couple of others we don't know about.
With this gutsy win, hopefully the media can switch their focus on someone else and give us a reprieve.
Still cannot give any kudos to White & Rowe but Waite certainly had a fair dip as did Murphy and Warnock got his hand to it with regular monotony. Curnow gave Libba Jnr a bath until he got injured and Henderson was sensational up forward.
Having three big marking forwards (Henderson, Waite & Casboult) to kick to makes such a difference. Whilst it is unsure whether Casboult will make it (I don't) and Waite hasn't long left in the game, surely this performance highlights the need to recruit some quality key position depth.
Scotland's brainfade in the last quarter could of sealed it for us earlier but his longevity in the game will also be another talking point.
All in all, this was a win out of adversity and clearly showed that Mick's Boundary Line plan doesn't work for us as we used the centre corridor with run and flair to set up the win early.
Lastly, whilst I am thrilled with this win, I'm not shying away from any of the comments I've made over the past month regarding the quality of our playing list and the need for a rebuild. All this has done is convinced me that we do in fact have the nucleus to build from over the next two-years.
best game ive seen murphy play for a while and I've been his biggest critic
he stepped up when it counted, kudo to him
How did Curnow get wrapped around a post? Guts or opposition action?
wondering how did Levi go??
Small defence and it sound like Waite and Hendo played fwd so i would expected a lot from Levi sounded like a perfect game for him.
Levi didn't star but he did some nice link up work up the ground and was a physical presence with some strong tackles.
How did Curnow get wrapped around a post? Guts or opposition action?
It was accidental, he was leading Picken to the ball and as he picked it up Picken tackled him and they both slid side-on into the post. Curnow was the meat in the sandwich between Picken & the post.
How did Curnow get wrapped around a post? Guts or opposition action?
chased with the ball, fell into the bottom of post upper hip first with the weight of the player slamming behind him
How did Curnow get wrapped around a post? Guts or opposition action?
He was pushed forward by a dogs player as he went to ground trying to force a behind. Accident, but he tried to come back on and ceased up.
^^ sounds like the single bullet theory
David King saying Judd gone for 4-6 weeks.
Thanks, guys. Lots of bad news, but at least we managed to get over the line.
Judd - easter sunday - didn't go according to script ure
The way they're talking about judd, you'd think he'd died on the field
fk that McGuire is a flog
fk that McGuire is a flog
Of the highest order!!
The injury toll from this match could be very high, we know Judd is gone for a while but there will be a huge question mark over Curnow now plus there may be a couple of others we don't know about.
With this gutsy win, hopefully the media can switch their focus on someone else and give us a reprieve.
Still cannot give any kudos to White & Rowe but Waite certainly had a fair dip as did Murphy and Warnock got his hand to it with regular monotony. Curnow gave Libba Jnr a bath until he got injured and Henderson was sensational up forward.
Having three big marking forwards (Henderson, Waite & Casboult) to kick to makes such a difference. Whilst it is unsure whether Casboult will make it (I don't) and Waite hasn't long left in the game, surely this performance highlights the need to recruit some quality key position depth.
Scotland's brainfade in the last quarter could of sealed it for us earlier but his longevity in the game will also be another talking point.
All in all, this was a win out of adversity and clearly showed that Mick's Boundary Line plan doesn't work for us as we used the centre corridor with run and flair to set up the win early.
Lastly, whilst I am thrilled with this win, I'm not shying away from any of the comments I've made over the past month regarding the quality of our playing list and the need for a rebuild. All this has done is convinced me that we do in fact have the nucleus to build from over the next two-years.
Without Rowe or White, Henderson and Waite wouldn't have had the games they had. Granted, Rowe/White can be replaced with higher quality players at the end of the year, but it went a long way to winning this game.
Didn't see any of the game and just listened to the radio today. It did sound like a complete contrast to how we have been going about our footy this year so far.
fk that McGuire is a flog
Of the highest order!!
Collingwood flog... you would think Chris Judd has died the way they are carrying on.
It looked like Judd was describing what happened to Warnock in the rooms and I think he mouthed the words "I'm fine" or something like that. Im a few beers in and can't remember exactly. Fingers crossed its not too bad. So much relief in my house.
fk that McGuire is a flog
Of the highest order!!
fkn prick mentioned twice - once to murphy how he hated daisy singing the song
when he's ridden with jealousy, he goes red and his eyes look glazed and bloodshot.
Racist jealous flog
The way they're talking about judd, you'd think he'd died on the field
This ^
fk this McGuire, the third time he's asked about judds injury
he's really fkn scared about judd playing against the filth
Didn't see any of the game and just listened to the radio today. It did sound like a complete contrast to how we have been going about our footy this year so far.
In one word: Intent.
They picked up the Gaunlet and slapped the Dogs in the chops. Season defining. No Jamieson and Judd. Leadership group stepped up, Gibbs, Murphy, Hendo, Curnow and Warnock and Bell stood out for me especially. Why they didn't kill the Dogs when they had their heels on their neck? Troubling. But gutsy, really gutsy! Hat off to Curnow, true warrior.
fk that McGuire is a flog
Of the highest order!!
fkn prick mentioned twice - once to murphy how he hated daisy singing the song
when he's ridden with jealousy, he goes red and his eyes look glazed and bloodshot.
Racist jealous flog
How the President of an AFL club can host a show like this is beyond me. Imagine the outcry if it had been Big Jack at the height of his powers.
fk that McGuire is a flog
Of the highest order!!
Collingwood flog... you would think Chris Judd has died the way they are carrying on.
What's he saying?
How many tackles did Bell get? He threw himself around like a raging bull. Was great to watch!
Great win amazing hat happens when we revert to a more attacking gameplan that suits our players Was a pleasure to watch us play today. Great to see the leadership early in the game came from our three young leader Murphy, Hendo and Gibbs. When I say leadership I mean that they turned up to win and the rest of the team came along with them. It just sucks a little because finals are already out of our reach.
The injury toll from this match could be very high, we know Judd is gone for a while but there will be a huge question mark over Curnow now plus there may be a couple of others we don't know about.
With this gutsy win, hopefully the media can switch their focus on someone else and give us a reprieve.
Still cannot give any kudos to White & Rowe but Waite certainly had a fair dip as did Murphy and Warnock got his hand to it with regular monotony. Curnow gave Libba Jnr a bath until he got injured and Henderson was sensational up forward.
Having three big marking forwards (Henderson, Waite & Casboult) to kick to makes such a difference. Whilst it is unsure whether Casboult will make it (I don't) and Waite hasn't long left in the game, surely this performance highlights the need to recruit some quality key position depth.
Scotland's brainfade in the last quarter could of sealed it for us earlier but his longevity in the game will also be another talking point.
All in all, this was a win out of adversity and clearly showed that Mick's Boundary Line plan doesn't work for us as we used the centre corridor with run and flair to set up the win early.
Lastly, whilst I am thrilled with this win, I'm not shying away from any of the comments I've made over the past month regarding the quality of our playing list and the need for a rebuild. All this has done is convinced me that we do in fact have the nucleus to build from over the next two-years.
Without Rowe or White, Henderson and Waite wouldn't have had the games they had. Granted, Rowe/White can be replaced with higher quality players at the end of the year, but it went a long way to winning this game.
Yep good point. They weren't brilliant but not terrible. One of rowes better games IMO
Great win amazing hat happens when we revert to a more attacking gameplan that suits our players Was a pleasure to watch us play today. Great to see the leadership early in the game came from our three young leader Murphy, Hendo and Gibbs. When I say leadership I mean that they turned up to win and the rest of the team came along with them. It just sucks a little because finals are already out of our reach.
Not mathematically just yet. Not likely but still possible.
fk that McGuire is a flog
Of the highest order!!
fkn prick mentioned twice - once to murphy how he hated daisy singing the song
when he's ridden with jealousy, he goes red and his eyes look glazed and bloodshot.
Racist jealous flog
How the President of an AFL club can host a show like this is beyond me. Imagine the outcry if it had been Big Jack at the height of his powers.
he is awful - just highlights the lack of talent around
talks about Michael Christians horse winning a group 1 race in Sydney - and shows the race!
A superbly competitive performance where we stretched to the limits of our capabilities and showed the guts to fight it out to the end. Delivered what I've been looking for in that dept. for some time.
Don't like to cast any negatives after such a guts based win but I'm yet to be convinced that we are any more than a middle of the road team unfortunately. We need to back that up now with a few more similar performances to convince me that we have what it takes. Good to turn things around a bit though and I thoroughly enjoyed watching the game - well played boys!
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good win
don't get carried away
we are sitting 16th
Good gutsy win.
When you make a statement like they did with the #UNITED message you look a bit silly if you don't back it up, and they did that in spades..... with the captain leading the way.
The important thing now will be to back it up.
We have a tough three weeks leading into the bye so wins will be hard but the effort will be the indicator.
Good to see the pressure on the club has finally seen a change of heart.
MM changed it up to suit the cattle we have, midfield still needs a lot of work.
The mob we have can't play the boundary hugging defensive style that MM loves so much, we just need to play to our strengths and give it a crack (Ratt's daft picks only know one way).
One win, it's a step in the right direction.
Now it is onto next week, we need to back it up as that will determine how dinkum we are...
Is that bloody show on Fox the Collingwood hour ::)
Don't like to cast any negatives after such a guts based win but I'm yet to be convinced that we are any more than a middle of the road team unfortunately.
Exactly how I see the team this year, should of beaten the Tigers and Dees to be 3-2 right now but we have deficiencies that have to be covered every week without the cattle to do it.
Eagles, Pies & Saints aren't going to be easy assignments prior to the bye but I'd be happy to win one of them and play really well in the other two. It's gotta be baby steps with consistency of effort for the next month. A slip back to the shoddy ways of the first month is only going to bring the heat back on us.
Good stuff boys.
Murphy silenced his critics for at least a week, Waite was very good, Gibbs did a complete turnaround from last week, Walker fantastic in the first half, Simpson equally good in the second, Tuohy back in some touch, Bell excellent, Henderson likewise, there's still some life in Carratts and Warnock played his best game for Carlton.
Sad about Juddy but it sure makes a difference when all of your good players fire.
Sheik and Cookie might be spot on, but we have played with lack of intensity, heart and no real passion for too long. When we show we can bring on the heat we look like a completely different side. We look like a top up of 6 players would make us look almost unbeatable. 2 decent forwards, 2 decent tall defenders, and 2 decent fast running mid field types. We don't need a team of champions, but a team of go getters that have some skill. Skill can be fine tuned too. I only listened on the radio and loved the positive feedback from the commentators. Something I just haven't heard all year.
what's the slogan for next week guys??
Eagles, Pies & Saints aren't going to be easy assignments prior to the bye but I'd be happy to win one of them and play really well in the other two. It's gotta be baby steps with consistency of effort for the next month. A slip back to the shoddy ways of the first month is only going to bring the heat back on us.
Eagles, Pies and Saints all have at least one class key forward, which makes it a whole new ball game for us.
Crameri made us look average, imagine what Cloke, Riewoldt and Kennedy can do.
Desperation, desire, attack on the contest, spirit, competitive, pride, - all things that were on display today but have been sadly missing in the previous month.
Imagine if they had of turned up and delivered that same crap again this week ?? :o ???
Thought Lucas and Bell were the best thing about that last quarter. Lucas in particular put his head down and won the hard ball. Bell has rubbish disposal, but his 1% efforts are astonishing. If only he could kick.
Warnock played one of his best games in a Carlton jumper.
For me Murph and Gibbs have not silenced the critics. They have to out that effort in each week. One game is not a season.
As for Rowe and White, ultimately I'm with Sheik, I think they're liabilities. But for the moment if that's all we have then we have to plat them.
Oh, and Levi was fantastic. Don't worry that he didn't kick a goal and dropped at least one sitter. He tackled hard and really played the game out and was a great link player. Needs to be persevered with. He's better than spuds like Vickery.
Desperation, desire, attack on the contest, spirit, competitive, pride, - all things that were on display today but have been sadly missing in the previous month.
Imagine if they had of turned up and delivered that same crap again this week ?? :o ???
They delivered it in the first two quarters against PA. And then it vanished... until today.
Thought Lucas and Bell were the best thing about that last quarter. Lucas in particular put his head down and won the hard ball. Bell has rubbish disposal, but his 1% efforts are astonishing. If only he could kick.
Warnock played one of his best games in a Carlton jumper.
For me Murph and Gibbs have not silenced the critics. They have to out that effort in each week. One game is not a season.
As for Rowe and White, ultimately I'm with Sheik, I think they're liabilities. But for the moment if that's all we have then we have to plat them.
Oh, and Levi was fantastic. Don't worry that he didn't kick a goal and dropped at least one sitter. He tackled hard and really played the game out and was a great link player. Needs to be persevered with. He's better than spuds like Vickery.
Bell does have disposal issues and it is hard to see him improving them hence the reason I don't believe he is part of the bigger picture. However, his brute strength and bone-crunching body work is very pleasing to watch.
Good comment about White & Rowe, they are all we have at the moment so the MC can only work with what we've got. The end of season player movements is going to be very interesting.
Judd - easter sunday - didn't go according to script ure
Hahahaha, nice one centurion.
Lucas is getting Sharper and tougher
Thought Lucas and Bell were the best thing about that last quarter. Lucas in particular put his head down and won the hard ball. Bell has rubbish disposal, but his 1% efforts are astonishing. If only he could kick.
Warnock played one of his best games in a Carlton jumper.
For me Murph and Gibbs have not silenced the critics. They have to out that effort in each week. One game is not a season.
As for Rowe and White, ultimately I'm with Sheik, I think they're liabilities. But for the moment if that's all we have then we have to plat them.
Oh, and Levi was fantastic. Don't worry that he didn't kick a goal and dropped at least one sitter. He tackled hard and really played the game out and was a great link player. Needs to be persevered with. He's better than spuds like Vickery.
Bell does have disposal issues and it is hard to see him improving them hence the reason I don't believe he is part of the bigger picture. However, his brute strength and bone-crunching body work is very pleasing to watch.
Good comment about White & Rowe, they are all we have at the moment so the MC can only work with what we've got. The end of season player movements is going to be very interesting.
In fairness to both White and Rowe, they have added a bit of mongrel and physicality to the side. They are not the most talented blokes going around out there, but if they continue to throw themselves around, get in the face of opposition players and generally make a nuisance of themselves they are doing as best they can. If Watson could do the same, he'd be a gimme. Hopefully he learns from them.
Good effort from everyone out there today i thought. If we can get that much effort from the team every week, i'll be a happy camper.
Sheik and Cookie might be spot on, but we have played with lack of intensity, heart and no real passion for too long. When we show we can bring on the heat we look like a completely different side. We look like a top up of 6 players would make us look almost unbeatable. 2 decent forwards, 2 decent tall defenders, and 2 decent fast running mid field types. We don't need a team of champions, but a team of go getters that have some skill. Skill can be fine tuned too. I only listened on the radio and loved the positive feedback from the commentators. Something I just haven't heard all year.
I think we were fantastic for the first 2 1/2 qtrs then we slid a little bit but did manage to steady and then really fight it out for the rest of the game. I think you're right Mants, we need more quality in the midfield for sure plus the good forwards and defenders you mention. With those I reckon we could become a pretty formidable proposition for any opposition team. The game tonight though should do a lot for our confidence - even if we can just keep the level of application and intensity shown today I would be encouraged.
Amazing though what some intensity, being highly competitive in the midfield battle, sticking tackles and converting your goal chances can do! ^-^
Warnock BOG by country mile. Someone must have put a rocket up his proverbial re: [lack of] second efforts.
Gibbs - enigma. Walker - enigma.
Saw evidence of leadership (talk, direction, instructions) from Daisy.
Not thrilled with backline containing Everitt, White and Rowe.
Definitely saw a game plan of sorts with players running to position in anticipation of fast movement by foot. Alleluiah.
There was some real effort out there.
We should be 3-2 and could have looked forward to being 6-2 or 5 -3 at worst but alas we blew the year.
Warnock BOG by country mile. Someone must have put a rocket up his proverbial re: [lack of] second efforts.
Gibbs - enigma. Walker - enigma.
Saw evidence of leadership (talk, direction, instructions) from Daisy.
Not thrilled with backline containing Everitt, White and Rowe.
Definitely saw a game plan of sorts with players running to position in anticipation of fast movement by foot. Alleluiah.
To add to your observations IAABO, I also saw our players standing up for each other more in altercations etc.
Overall so happy to tough out a win like that. I think that having a few big permanent targets up forward and playing an attacking game with this group anyway its the formula required to get the best result we can.
On the flip side even though it was great to see the response from the leader/senior players- looking to the future and not a heap to be excited about on today's game.
Bell and Levi player their part but white and Rowe are only ever going to be back up defenders, cripps looks very slow to me which is a bit of concern if he wants to be a mid in the modern game. I know it's only his 2nd game but speed is not a area a kid should lack and not sure if you can get it if its not there.
Lucas IMO does not offer enough. Has played enough to really have an impact but just doesn't seem to have it.
Overall would have been happier if the kids had more of a say in the result.
Carrots, Murphy, walker, simmo, Hendo, Waite, curnow, Gibbs and thomas got us the points today. Hendo aside no kids in that bunch.
Sorry if I sound negative because im still rapt with the win, showed a lot of heart. Play with that gameplan and intensity and i think we are a good chance to win 2 out if the next 3.
There was some real effort out there.
We should be 3-2 and could have looked forward to being 6-2 or 5 -3 at worst but alas we blew the year.
Win next week and you'll eat your words.....
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Who was on Crameri?
fk that McGuire is a flog
Always was always will be - Eddie McAsshole. Never watch him or listen to what he has to say any more.
Who was on Crameri?
White.
And Patrick Cripps, anyone?
Was prominent in the VFL side and earned his promotion...
Another game in the firsts next week?
David King saying Judd gone for 4-6 weeks.
Great man can't take a trick right now.
Didn't get to see the game unfortunately. Just caught the end of the commentary. Glad the boys got the shackles taken off them and they could play with some flare. Happy for everyone at the club that we got a win.
And Patrick Cripps, anyone?
Was prominent in the VFL side and earned his promotion...
Another game in the firsts next week?
I m really not sure he's ready, made some blunders today.
50/50
depends on the 2's and if there's a star performer that's pushing
Judd and his injuries to start the season, and now his hamstring, just makes it easy to hang up his boots at the end of the season. Something I would hate to see, considering he could be a deadly forward like Chapman and others have been along the way. I didn't see the extent of the injury but by experience, older players need at least 3 weeks to let it come good again. 4 weeks is probably about right.
And Patrick Cripps, anyone?
Was prominent in the VFL side and earned his promotion...
Another game in the firsts next week?
I m really not sure he's ready, made some blunders today.
50/50
depends on the 2's and if there's a star performer that's pushing
Well that's N Graham I guess
How bad was the umpiring today. Those three tackles Yarran made should have been his free. The Jong tackle was perfect, what was the umipire looking at that he couldnt see him miss the ball when trying to kick, it certainly wasnt the man with the ball, disgraceful.
And Patrick Cripps, anyone?
Was prominent in the VFL side and earned his promotion...
Another game in the firsts next week?
I m really not sure he's ready, made some blunders today.
50/50
depends on the 2's and if there's a star performer that's pushing
W
Well that's N Graham I guess
Yep cripps was ordinary at best today. Needs a spell. McLean, Graham and garlett in for Judd, curnow, cripps
Ok, I'll say it. We were… "Brave".
Thought I don't think the media will use that word as it seems to be reserved for the cheating red & black scum…
Adversity piled up on the doorstep yet we played attacking football. And even when the puppies mounted a strong challenge and we were 2 men down, we held on for the win.
In truth, I didn't think they had it in them. Actually, I didn't think MM had it in him to let them play like that for an entire game.
Injuries to Judd and Curnow may get Cripps another run but I expect Maclean will be back and Carrots will assume the tagging role.
White and Cripps certainly look like two candidates to go out, as well as the injured Judd and Curnow.
Was Cachia playing in the NBs? Thought he may be the one to come in for Curnow?
Surely Armfield will get a callup soon.
Disappointed to hear Buckley didn't play. Straight back in please!
What is the go with Curnow?
I was wrong, thought we'd get beaten by this mob who often trouble us. Showed some ticker for a change. Long way to go but many positive signs. Most importantly, they cracked in and didn't take a backward step. Cant ask for more than that.
Lucas is getting Sharper and tougher
Still he is as hard as a mild steel tack.
No doubt he will make the grade. Mick will harden and temper the lad to suit the modern game.
Was terrific to see both games today. Interesting breed out at Dishlicker land. First time out there in decades (Footesscraaay).
As I mentioned in the NBs summary... I think Jeffy, Den Den, Brock and Graham (? put your body in there, kid) are ready for a recall. And with young Buckley and our Robbo also in the wings for next week, things might balance out considering the loss of Juddy and possibly Curnow and Bell. Cachia's form in the NBs would give him a show of coming in for Curnow if he's out.
Must be the most influential game from Warnock at CFC land. How come Capuano has been his coach for years and yet it is only now he's getting it. Someone else helping out?
I hope Jammo is back next week. Although White and Rowe were committed and really hard at it today, against much better tall forwards they'll be creamed.
Totally agree that young Cripps should go back to the NBs and learn some more stuff. Got found out too often today.
The defensive work of Walker, Simmo and Tuohy was first rate... needed to be.
Levi is nearly there. But will he get there!
Hendo and Waite in tandem will be headaches for most defenses.
Don't get the love here for Lucas. At the ground you could really get that he makes poor decisions under pressure... tries hard, gives his all, but his disposals in heat are errant.
Murph put in a Skipper's effort. Effective.
Gibbs? Was important. Still reckon the contract shizen is messing with his head.
Good to hear Lucas went in hard. 9 tackles from him!
Leave Cripps in, I say. Let him learn at high speed rather than pilcking up bad habits in the 2s.
There was some real effort out there.
We should be 3-2 and could have looked forward to being 6-2 or 5 -3 at worst but alas we blew the year.
Win next week and you'll eat your words.....
No, it's still valid.
We should win next week and would have been 4-2 not 2-4.
Leave Cripps in, I say. Let him learn at high speed rather than pilcking up bad habits in the 2s.
I really understand your point, but I don't think he'll pick up bad habits from this NBs unit - in fact, from what I have seen first hand in the past 3 weeks, he'll learn good stuff. It'll be a balancing act between giving him confidence at NBs level along with learning what he must learn, and really getting the pace of senior footy. But too much senior footy may knock him too much, plus I really don't think he has the endurance to perform consistently at senior level, which can only hurt his long term confidence / prospect.
Good to hear Lucas went in hard. 9 tackles from him!
Stood up in the end when we needed all hands on deck. Probably his most selfless performance in the jumper.
Good to hear Lucas went in hard. 9 tackles from him!
Stood up in the end when we needed all hands on deck. Probably his most selfless performance in the jumper.
There was a spirit of endeavour, ruthlessly maintained, against a persistent and good opponent that helped lift and focus blokes. And, yes, Lucas was one of those... but under big pressure he made ordinary choices. Sorry, but I'd have Robbo, Brock, Graham, Jeffy, Armfield and probably Cachia in front of him.
Good to hear Lucas went in hard. 9 tackles from him!
Stood up in the end when we needed all hands on deck. Probably his most selfless performance in the jumper.
There was a spirit of endeavour, ruthlessly maintained, against a persistent and good opponent that helped lift and focus blokes. And, yes, Lucas was one of those... but under big pressure he made ordinary choices. Sorry, but I'd have Robbo, Brock, Graham, Jeffy, Armfield and probably Cachia in front of him.
His position in the side is really to use his pace to run and carry. MM seems to like him running out of defence or on a wing so I expect he is competing with Army more than anyone. I'd have him ahead of Graham, while Brock, Robbo and Cachia play a different role. Jeffy ironically is probably out of favour by MM for not doing what Lucas did today.
It was great to get a win !! Woohoo !!!!
It was great to see the effort that we should be able to expect every week. It was a brave last qtr with 2 players down and we held fast.
I really enjoyed our talls today, Hendo and Waite up forward and Warnock in the ruck. Good tall doing their role really helps with structure and makes the jobs of the littler guys a lot easier.
A pat on the back to all our leaders as well, they all lead from the front and played well.
Now please, please repeat this weeks effort again next week !!
Go Blues !!!!
First the bad.
Anyone who doesn't have their heart in their mouth whenever Rowe goes for the ball, or he's in a contest with an opponent, isn't watching the same game that I am.
I have nothing but the greatest admiration for the man and how he has overcome the cancer that attacked his body, but he is just not up to AFL football. If Jamieson is fit next week, he must replace Rowe.
White is ordinary too, but he's a genius compared to Rowe, and due to a lack of defenders, we will keep playing him until Docherty is fit and well enough to play.
Ellard, as per usual, lasted 2.5 quarters, and faded after that. He just doesn't have the motor to run out a full game.
Everitt ran hot and cold, and should have done more.
Now the good.
Murphy, great. Gibbs put in more than usual. Thomas lasted the whole game and is getting fitter and better. Bell was incredible, especially in the last quarter. Lucas, still wants to go backwards every time he gets the ball, and still has some tentativeness about him, but he really put in in the last quarter.
Waite, should never be left out of the team. Henderson was terrific. Levi, played a much improved game and his second efforts which were totally lacking last year, were fantastic, especially his run and tackle in the last quarter.
Simpson, excellent as usual, Warnock, a top class performance, Curnow, who, because his mouth is wide open all the time, like a venus fly trap, looks as if he's in a state of permanent surprise, was very good and will be missed.
Yarran was better this week, but still needs to do more, and has to stop giving away silly frees.
Cripps will get better as long as they keep playing him. He will learn very quickly, because he's a smart kid, about the pace of the game, because in my opinion, that's all that's holding him back from being a top player. He also needs to be told that when he's 40 metres out from goal like he was in the third quarter, you take the responsibility of having the shot and don't go for a stupid pass that turns the ball over.
Carrots is getting better with each run under the belt, ans aside from his stupid brain fade, Scotland was good, Walker was average.
As for Judd, he'll be out for at least 6 weeks. I'm not upset about that, because I reckon he would have had trouble playing a full season, or even 15 games of football. If they can get him right again, and we can do the right thing and win enough games to be a final 8 chance with say 6-8 games to go, then Judd will be a huge acquisition to our team in those last few rounds.
The media will be all over his injury tomorrow, but that's all cr@p. From a personal point of view, as I have said, I want him fit and well for the run home. That's when his experience will be really required.
MM said in his press conference, that he did not change one thing about the game plan.
So the obvious question is, what happened the last 4 weeks and why have they been unable to put the game plan into practice.
The NB won again, and we are lucky that we do have some quality players who can come in and do the job against the Eagles.
Let's hope that today was the beginning of a winning run of another 3 games before the bye.
Thought Lucas and Bell were the best thing about that last quarter. Lucas in particular put his head down and won the hard ball. Bell has rubbish disposal, but his 1% efforts are astonishing. If only he could kick.
Warnock played one of his best games in a Carlton jumper.
For me Murph and Gibbs have not silenced the critics. They have to out that effort in each week. One game is not a season.
As for Rowe and White, ultimately I'm with Sheik, I think they're liabilities. But for the moment if that's all we have then we have to plat them.
Oh, and Levi was fantastic. Don't worry that he didn't kick a goal and dropped at least one sitter. He tackled hard and really played the game out and was a great link player. Needs to be persevered with. He's better than spuds like Vickery.
Excellent post. 100% agree with everything said here.....
Professor E: "Where did the leadership come from if Murphy is, according to just about everybody, not a captain?"
Brettie: I hope you're being rhetorical there, 'cos if you're getting on a high horse intimating that you'd backed him all along, then I say BULLCRAP.
MilkIt: "Without Rowe or White, Hendo & Waite wouldn't have had the games they had."
Brettie: True enough, but they are arguably the worst defenders and indeed footballers in AFL this weekend. We got away with it tonight, gonna be frightful what Kennedy & Darling will do to them.
Woodstock: "Why they didn't kill the Dogs when they had their heels on their neck? Troubling."
Brettie: Is that a pi$$take? What, a 5 goal win with 2 men down @ 0-4 not bloody good enough for you? What rubbish.....
Mosquito Fleet: "Good win. Don't get carried away. We are sitting 16th."
Brettie: Is this another pi$$take? As we celebrate as gutsy a win as we've seen from this team for sometime, you spruik that kinda crap. Enjoy the win for what it is, without the ridiculously unnecessary negative connotations attached. FMD.......
Individually, there's some concerns in the team, but overall, the team effort was superb tonight. The Dogs didn't stop coming at us all night, but we withstood every challenge. Our game style was the total opposite to the crap we dished up last week especially and it was a joy to watch.....and it suits this playing group to a tee.
Wonderfully led by ALL the senior players, there were a lot of players who really got 'down and dirty' tonight. The response was arguably a week too late, but at least we finally got one.
Gotta be happy with what we saw. Haven't seen 2 Carlton key forwards work that well together for a very long time, awesome to watch. So many good performances out there tonight, really pleasing stuff.
And well done to Milkshake for changing it up and taking the of the criticism on board. Maybe the old codger aint as stubborn as we thought!
Was able to go to the match and was dreading what I might see but was impressed.
I really, really liked the man on man tactics all over the ground all game. None of this bloody zone crap.
Knockers played a classic game of palming the ball and even punching the ball into space. Was great to watch. When you get the clearance everything falls into place.
Our kicking to an extent was 100% better, with 3 exceptions, Walker, Yarran and Gibbs. These guys couldn't hit a barn door. Goal kicking was great with most set shots going thru. When was the last time that happened?
Was good to see them kicking to advantage and honouring leads.
Was great to see them sticking tackles and I actually saw Lucas take a big hit.
Was silly of MM to let the great man sit on the pine for 3 qtrs, he should've started.
Love Cripps, in the 2 games he has played he has flown the flag a couple of times with pushing and shoving. Won't take a back step.
Any win is a good win.
And well done to Milkshake for changing it up and taking the of the criticism on board. Maybe to old codger aint as stubborn as we thought!
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Bahahah Thinking about saying the same thing about you.
Knockers played a classic game of palming the ball and even punching the ball into space. Was great to watch. When you get the clearance everything falls into place.
Good news, I was expecting Minson to have a field day.
Actually, Warnock has had a fairly good year for him.
Professor E: "Where did the leadership come from if Murphy is, according to just about everybody, not a captain?"
Brettie: I hope you're being rhetorical there, 'cos if you're getting on a high horse intimating that you'd backed him all along, then I say BULLCRAP.
MilkIt: "Without Rowe or White, Hendo & Waite wouldn't have had the games they had."
Brettie: True enough, but they are arguably the worst defenders and indeed footballers in AFL this weekend. We got away with it tonight, gonna be frightful what Kennedy & Darling will do to them.
Woodstock: "Why they didn't kill the Dogs when they had their heels on their neck? Troubling."
Brettie: Is that a pi$$take? What, a 5 goal win with 2 men down @ 0-4 not bloody good enough for you? What rubbish.....
Mosquito Fleet: "Good win. Don't get carried away. We are sitting 16th."
Brettie: Is this another pi$$take? As we celebrate as gutsy a win as we've seen from this team for sometime, you spruik that kinda crap. Enjoy the win for what it is, without the ridiculously unnecessary negative connotations attached. FMD.......
Individually, there's some concerns in the team, but overall, the team effort was superb tonight. The Dogs didn't stop coming at us all night, but we withstood every challenge. Our game style was the total opposite to the crap we dished up last week especially and it was a joy to watch.....and it suits this playing group to a tee.
Wonderfully led by ALL the senior players, there were a lot of players who really got 'down and dirty' tonight. The response was arguably a week too late, but at least we finally got one.
Gotta be happy with what we saw. Haven't seen 2 Carlton key forwards work that well together for a very long time, awesome to watch. So many good performances out there tonight, really pleasing stuff.
Brettie: Before Curnow and Judd went off, there was a spell between the second and into the third where there was a sense that we were going to bust things open. To me it felt like we didn't take it. Do not misunderstand my delight in getting the win, especially as Curnow and Judd came off and they showed true grit to get a deserved win.
And well done to Milkshake for changing it up and taking the of the criticism on board. Maybe to old codger aint as stubborn as we thought!
Bahahah Thinking about saying the same thing about you.
Stop replying to my posts remember you wanted me blocked? You're not only a backslapper but a hypocrite of the highest order.
I shouldn't have to do this, but I NEED to remind you of the code of conduct again. There are things written in this thread that are very personal and very abusive. This is unacceptable, and you all know it.
Take the win for what it was, a brave response from a team under enormous pressure. No need for anyone to get their knickers in a knot! Relax. Enjoy. It is going to be harder next weekend.
And well done to Milkshake for changing it up and taking the of the criticism on board. Maybe to old codger aint as stubborn as we thought!
Bahahah Thinking about saying the same thing about you.
Stop replying to my posts remember you wanted me blocked? You're not only a backslapper but a hypocrite of the highest order.
Easy Carrots.
You are allowed to change your mind, but apparently he is not? Isn't that a hypocrite?
One is an opinion on the team, the other is just a blatant insult in an attempt to discredit. No wonder you're on his side.
Wow I expected this thread to be full of joy and praise but the gutsy win against the odds seems to have been like a dagger through the heart of some 'fans' here.
Wow I expected this thread to be full of joy and praise but the gutsy win against the odds seems to have been like a dagger through the heart of some 'fans' here.
Who?
Wow I expected this thread to be full of joy and praise but the gutsy win against the odds seems to have been like a dagger through the heart of some 'fans' here.
Who?
Relax, mate. Breath in. Breath out.
I'm breathing fine thanks Crash. :)
If MBB wants to criticise posters he should point them out rather than hide behind his comments. I'm actually interested to know who these 'fans' are? It's not a very 'joyous' comment itself is it? It's more down the negative side I would have thought.
Anyway, really thought we were going to go down last night. I guess that comes after watching your side perform so badly over an extended period of time. Was just waiting for the hammer to come down but the boys put in an exceptional effort. Gutsy. That's the only word for it. Man on man accoutable football with an obvious emphasis on using the corridor. Who woulda thunk it? Not sure if it will work against better teams but let's die trying.
It's amazing what happens when a team is prepared to put in a genuine effort... move the ball quickly, run your arse off and tackle with intent. None of that really requires ability... you just have to want to do it.
More of that please.
And well done to Milkshake for changing it up and taking the of the criticism on board. Maybe to old codger aint as stubborn as we thought!
Bahahah Thinking about saying the same thing about you.
Stop replying to my posts remember you wanted me blocked? You're not only a backslapper but a hypocrite of the highest order.
You're good entertainment sometimes carrots, you don't take things too seriously!
We were down for count at 0-4, up against a team who, in recent times has made it very hard for us. Our key backman was out and there was genuine doubt over a couple of others.
Our bottom six, who may not be the most talented bunch in the world, gave 100% effort for 100% of the time....that is all you can ask.
And finally, and most importantly, our leadership group LED!!!
Gee we're a funny lot
Fighting when we lose, fighting when we win. :D
I don't think anybody would have been unhappy about the performance yesterday. ???
Fact is this place is always much more active after a loss than a win.
The worse the loss, the more active.
That's purely and simply because there is more to argue and discuss after a loss.
It's a nature of the beast that these fan forums just don't celebrate victories to the same extent that they analyse losses.
While we're pleased with the performance there is also the thought in the back of our minds that we're facing a couple of tough games and we want to see consistency.
Doesn't mean we have to win, but we have to bring the effort.
There are no easy games anymore.
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Cripps taller than Everitt!
Leave Cripps in, I say. Let him learn at high speed rather than pilcking up bad habits in the 2s.
x 2, must play AFL. We've carried far far worse than this bloke, will be miles better for the development. What would I know though.
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Cripps taller than Everitt!
Yes, noticed this too! And Crippsy loooked taller than Waite on the ground too when standing next to each other. Huge unit!
Good to hear Lucas went in hard. 9 tackles from him!
Stood up in the end when we needed all hands on deck. Probably his most selfless performance in the jumper.
There was a spirit of endeavour, ruthlessly maintained, against a persistent and good opponent that helped lift and focus blokes. And, yes, Lucas was one of those... but under big pressure he made ordinary choices. Sorry, but I'd have Robbo, Brock, Graham, Jeffy, Armfield and probably Cachia in front of him.
Lucas can be a deer in headlights, but in that last quarter he and Bell laid some huge tackles and did not stop running. I didn't know Lucas had that grit in him. I stand corrected. Give me three more weeks of that and he'll be a 200 games player. Actually he reminds me of Simmo who also had a slow start to his career.
@Mondy
Lucas is beginning to slowly win me over I must say. Still lacks a bit of poise and rushes his disposals a bit (leading to a few errors) but he doesn't seem so overawed by the physical stuff and gets stuck in himself a bit more. Maybe he will pay off in the end - just a late bloomer - we can only keep hoping. Deserves to stay in for WCE game IMO. Would be a great bonus if he works out long term now after all the doubts on him.
Lucas can be a deer in headlights, but in that last quarter he and Bell laid some huge tackles and did not stop running. I didn't know Lucas had that grit in him. I stand corrected. Give me three more weeks of that and he'll be a 200 games player. Actually he reminds me of Simmo who also had a slow start to his career.
Sometimes you don't realize that you have it in you until you are forced to do it. No one was prepared or dared to shirk an issue yesterday, Lucas included. Could be a watershed match for him.
What a pleasure to see us run and carry. Gee our disposal looks better and the forwards suddenly look like taking a grab with quick ball giving them one on one.
We found a balance with the boundary usually squaring to the square instead of the arcs.
Gibbs was very good I thought and think Rowe is going ok.
Well done to the entire group and think we are a definite chance against the eagles.
Cripps is the modern midfielder and our recruiters got this one right IMO.
And Wallis, the Dogs’ tagger who was tasked with standing under-siege captain Marc Murphy, copped a physical battering from every Carlton player who strode into the young Dog’s personal space and cannoned into him in the first term.
Elbows, hip and shoulders, everything to make Wallis wish he wasn’t out there.
The Blues were out to protect their skipper. It was the kind of spirit that we haven’t seen from Carlton throughout a torrid first month.
But, just like the players so boldly forecast on social media this week, they were united, physical, desperate and fast from the opening bounce.
How long have we been questioning this aspect of our game ?? About time it happened I say !!
It seems so simple Sheik...
And how didnt Murphy benefit the side by getting forward and kicking 3 goals.
Loved seeing cripps push crameri and get in his face.
Leave Cripps in, I say. Let him learn at high speed rather than pilcking up bad habits in the 2s.
There's a flip side to this though.
Cripps looks as though he will make a good player but there are blokes working hard for a senior game in the VFL and surely good efforts should be rewarded, there are other promising youngsters who would also benefit from senior game time.
I'm thinking Graham, Buckley and Menzel but Cachia has also showed ability as a tagger and might be needed with Curnow likely to miss.
Garlett and McLean are still well in the picture along with Armfield and Robinson, I don't think it will do Cripps any harm to be made to earn his stripes.
Cripps will be fine but he wasn't very good and can't run out a game. A month back in the magoos will be perfect, I'd expect him to get 2 BOG's in that time when he goes back.
Lucas can be a deer in headlights, but in that last quarter he and Bell laid some huge tackles and did not stop running. I didn't know Lucas had that grit in him. I stand corrected. Give me three more weeks of that and he'll be a 200 games player. Actually he reminds me of Simmo who also had a slow start to his career.
Sometimes you don't realize that you have it in you until you are forced to do it. No one was prepared or dared to shirk an issue yesterday, Lucas included. Could be a watershed match for him.
Also the result of maturity and feeling stronger after another preseason. If you feel strong you can act strong. Some players have it in their nature but Lucas isn't one of them.
Cripps will be fine but he wasn't very good and can't run out a game. A month back in the magoos will be perfect, I'd expect him to get 2 BOG's in that time when he goes back.
Agree....good player but has two weak areas and that is pace and disposal by foot. Gets run off too easy by opponents and misses to many tragets at this stage.
I do like his his attitude though and the kid can stick up for himself which is a bonus...
Hit targets, tackled with venom, timing of leads and passes much much better this week, conversion rate = 62%. Result? W
Gee we're a funny lot
Fighting when we lose, fighting when we win. :D
I really do wonder about our supporter base.
We have 800 to 900K of supporters across the country, yet we are never happy with what we have and we struggle to get 40K paid up members. In regards to these numbers we are so far behind the other big clubs it's farcical. Are we just fickle front runners ourselves ?
Do we as a WHOLE club really just need to realise we are what we are at this point in time, lighten the feck up and get behind the club.
The boys put in a great effort yesterday and got the points against Footscray. 8)
Now we need to back it up and roll the Toast. ;D
Loved seeing cripps push crameri and get in his face.
Flying the flag in game 2 at 19 yo. Make no mistake this kid is going to be a leader of this club.
Gee we're a funny lot
Fighting when we lose, fighting when we win. :D
I really do wonder about our supporter base.
We have 800 to 900K of supporters across the country, yet we are never happy with what we have and we struggle to get 40K paid up members. In regards to these numbers we are so far behind the other big clubs it's farcical. Are we just fickle front runners ourselves ?
Do we as a WHOLE club really just need to realise we are what we are at this point in time, lighten the feck up and get behind the club.
The boys put in a great effort yesterday and got the points against Footscray. 8)
Now we need to back it up and roll the Toast. ;D
You're probably preaching to the converted BJ
Even the most critical poster on here is probably a much "stronger" supporter of the club than the majority of those 800 to 900 you talk about.
I often meet folk and when the talk comes to football they say they "don't mind Carlton".....but they're not hard core.
Changing that "I don't mind them" to "I'll buy a membership"......That's a marketing challenge for the club....which, of course, is made easier with on-field success.
I'm elated with the win, gents.
But we can't delude ourselves. We have major weaknesses.
Despite what some on here keep saying, if you are being fair dinkum and prepared to take off the blinkered biased glasses, then you have to acknowledge that Rowe isn't up to it. He panics, he fumbles, he lacks the ability to stick a tackle etc. etc. Watson is no better, and White lacks a football brain. I have seen him go to punch the ball out of bounds at least 4 times in the last three games, when he could have taken an uncontested mark. In fact he went the punch in the last quarter against the dogs, and the ball flew straight up in the air, and it came down into his hands for a clear mark which the umpire didn't pay.
Instead of going the punch, he could have marked the thing to begin with. But he lacks confidence in his own ability to mark the ball, and panics.
I understand that at this point in time, it would seem that we have no one else to replace them, but frankly, leaving our defence in their hands will kill us and has killed us against the top teams.
They nearly cost us the game on Sunday. If the dogs player kicks through the ball and goals instead of doing a Garlett and dribbling the ball through for a point, we are in real trouble.
The only way we are going to win games is, and this is stating the obvious, to do what we did yesterday and establish a big enough lead to compensate for Rowe and Whites lack of defensive skills.
I'm hoping Everitt can find a place there, and Docherty can overcome his issues and come into the side, and that may give us a better defence that can withstand counter attacks from the opposition.
Until then, it's going to be heart in mouth stuff every game.
Murphy's running second to Riewoldt in the Age player of the round poll.
Give the poor bugger a vote. (the poll's down the page a bit on the right)
He's had a big week. :D
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Loved seeing cripps push crameri and get in his face.
Flying the flag in game 2 at 19 yo. Make no mistake this kid is going to be a leader of this club.
I tell ya what though, the next target Cripps hits by foot will be his first..... 8)
Brilliant win by the Blues - real heart and soul stuff which has been missing for so long.
Losing Judd was a sour note to sweet victory but on the upside I think not having him for essentially half the season will be good for the side overall. It's time for generation next to stand up.
I'm elated with the win, gents.
But we can't delude ourselves. We have major weaknesses.
Despite what some on here keep saying, if you are being fair dinkum and prepared to take off the blinkered biased glasses, then you have to acknowledge that Rowe isn't up to it. He panics, he fumbles, he lacks the ability to stick a tackle etc. etc. Watson is no better, and White lacks a football brain. I have seen him go to punch the ball out of bounds at least 4 times in the last three games, when he could have taken an uncontested mark. In fact he went the punch in the last quarter against the dogs, and the ball flew straight up in the air, and it came down into his hands for a clear mark which the umpire didn't pay.
Instead of going the punch, he could have marked the thing to begin with. But he lacks confidence in his own ability to mark the ball, and panics.
I understand that at this point in time, it would seem that we have no one else to replace them, but frankly, leaving our defence in their hands will kill us and has killed us against the top teams.
They nearly cost us the game on Sunday. If the dogs player kicks through the ball and goals instead of doing a Garlett and dribbling the ball through for a point, we are in real trouble.
The only way we are going to win games is, and this is stating the obvious, to do what we did yesterday and establish a big enough lead to compensate for Rowe and Whites lack of defensive skills.
I'm hoping Everitt can find a place there, and Docherty can overcome his issues and come into the side, and that may give us a better defence that can withstand counter attacks from the opposition.
Until then, it's going to be heart in mouth stuff every game.
Agree....great win character wise and seeing Curnow come back after beeing wrapped around the goalpost made us all proud bt the Bulldogs are not very good and their key defenders were
terrible.
re: White...degree of difficulty vs Crameri is high...he is a very awkward player as he is mobile but is also very strongly built, lucky he is an indifferent kick and tends to kick the hard ones
but miss the gimme's.
To be fair to Rowe he probably made one glaring error where he kicked the ball quickly without looking but he did spoil Jones mots times and also threw his weight around.
He is a big unit at 198cm to be playin KP and few of the Bulldogs smalls ended up on the deck after he made contact with them.....Jamison isnt big enough to take the really tall forwards, either is White and
as we saw we need Henderson forward.
Cale Hooker was a laughing stock at Essendon for years especially famous for his fruitless chase on Buddy Franklin in one game but now is a reliable defender.......I think Rowe will hold his place ahead of Watson as the former at least lays body on his man and gets physical...Watson doesnt have any body on body skills and cant defend, Rowe at least plays with some effort and intensity.
For those who want him out of the team I reckon you will be dissapointed as the alternatives are few and I think we have to hope he improves.
@EB1
Agree about Rowe. Will never be a superstar by a long way but could become a reasonably solid, unspectacular, reasonable player who will fill a gap for us for a couple of years.
@EB1
Agree about Rowe. Will never be a superstar by a long way but could become a reasonably solid, unspectacular, reasonable player who will fill a gap for us for a couple of years.
rowe is used like that collingwood swing man (name escapes...agressive tall bloke from north and fremantle) ..rowe hit the packs hard and hit a few blokes...better than jamison and watson can ever do.....
@EB1
Agree about Rowe. Will never be a superstar by a long way but could become a reasonably solid, unspectacular, reasonable player who will fill a gap for us for a couple of years.
rowe is used like that collingwood swing man (name escapes...agressive tall bloke from north and fremantle) ..rowe hit the packs hard and hit a few blokes...better than jamison and watson can ever do.....
Leigh Brown.
Rowe is a deceptively big unit too - 198cm, 96kg.
A better prospect than White imo. noting both have had serious health issues to deal with.....
Rowe is a deceptively big unit too - 198cm, 96kg.
A better prospect than White imo. noting both have had serious health issues to deal with.....
We need to make Rowe an dangerous defender. Our spine will be easier to build if we have a group of defenders that are reliable and physical. He is probably our best option of keeping Henderson up forward to give us some structure on the attack. Watson is not proven as a defender just yet. Might not ever get there either. Lets hope over time, that I am completely wrong.
Rowe is a deceptively big unit too - 198cm, 96kg.
A better prospect than White imo. noting both have had serious health issues to deal with.....
We need to make Rowe an dangerous defender. Our spine will be easier to build if we have a group of defenders that are reliable and physical. He is probably our best option of keeping Henderson up forward to give us some structure on the attack. Watson is not proven as a defender just yet. Might not ever get there either. Lets hope over time, that I am completely wrong.
Problem with Rowe and Watson is they are both slow.
Brettie, I'm glad that there were people on this forum like yourself cluey enough to understand what I was trying to get across... if Carlton's leadership is so non-existent, why did we beat the dogs minus our spiritual head and down rotations?
Is a "captain" the "leader of the side" or "face of the club"?
I believe that "leadership" is more a collective issue that all need to take command of, and less a burden that should be heaped upon one individual. And no, I am not on any high horse because I didn't back and still don't back Murphy as "captain". I still believe that the role, titular or otherwise, should be handed to somebody else and he be told to concentrate on being the best player he can be.
Behind closed doors I would have thought that the amount of contested ball and tackles he laid would be highlighted - and how there is leadership in performance, not just barking instructions as people.
What irritated me into the wording of the post was some plunkers in the small paper banging on about leadership, and how Cotchin got kudos for responding to the MaCaffer tag with a BOG performance... yet Murphy still copped flack, even though yet to play that round and not having the "right of reply" so to speak. So in a fair world the small paper should be writing some nice things about Murphy in Monday's paper...because to be honest, the small paper was front of the queue to sink the boots in, they should at least mention an honourable response to adversity.
Rowe is a deceptively big unit too - 198cm, 96kg.
A better prospect than White imo. noting both have had serious health issues to deal with.....
We need to make Rowe an dangerous defender. Our spine will be easier to build if we have a group of defenders that are reliable and physical. He is probably our best option of keeping Henderson up forward to give us some structure on the attack. Watson is not proven as a defender just yet. Might not ever get there either. Lets hope over time, that I am completely wrong.
Problem with Rowe and Watson is they are both slow.
Yes, but it's horses for courses - clearly you don't play Rowe on a Nick Riewoldt run around CHF - that gig goes to Walker/Everitt/Waite.....
You play him on your Chris Dawes types.
Jack Darling listed at 191cm, 93kg. Who takes him?
Everitt - 194cm, 88kg; Walks - 190cm, 88kg.
Josh Kennedy? 196cm, 101kg..... Giles + Everitt/Rowe. Tough match up.
If we had Kennedy and Darling we would have 65% of our list issues covered. ;D
I do agree with your point regarding horses for courses.
Any idea why Buckley was a late withdrawal? Injury or "team balance"?
Winning is a good feeling but is anyone else wondering why our team will only put in the required effort when given the license to run and taking the game on?
Effort shouldn't be conditional on having the game on your terms.
Did make me giggle :
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Loved seeing cripps push crameri and get in his face.
Flying the flag in game 2 at 19 yo. Make no mistake this kid is going to be a leader of this club.
I tell ya what though, the next target Cripps hits by foot will be his first..... 8)
I agree - don't get the amount of love on here for cripps.
I know his a young solidly built very tall mid that seems to show he has some balls for a 2nd gamer but to me his skills are well below standard and looks snail paced off the mark, has no tank ane very little on the defensive side. Only player 2 games I know but my point is his games is miles off yet he is talked up like he is certain to star and a great draft pick.
Too many on here look at the weight, height and amount of animal a player has rather then actually ability with the pill - you need to get the footy and use it well to make an impression.
Buckley really impressed me and his half the statue of cripps. Cripps need time but so far IMO has show very little to suggest he is a future leader and a star in the making like many on here are suggesting.
Menzel and Buckley are big chances to make it I reckon from what I've seen.
Loved seeing cripps push crameri and get in his face.
Flying the flag in game 2 at 19 yo. Make no mistake this kid is going to be a leader of this club.
I tell ya what though, the next target Cripps hits by foot will be his first..... 8)
I agree - don't get the amount of love on here for cripps.
I know his a young solidly built very tall mid that seems to show he has some balls for a 2nd gamer but to me his skills are well below standard and looks snail paced off the mark, has no tank ane very little on the defensive side. Only player 2 games I know but my point is his games is miles off yet he is talked up like he is certain to star and a great draft pick.
Too many on here look at the weight, height and amount of animal a player has rather then actually ability with the pill - you need to get the footy and use it well to make an impression.
Buckley really impressed me and his half the statue of cripps. Cripps need time but so far IMO has show very little to suggest he is a future leader and a star in the making like many on here are suggesting.
Menzel and Buckley are big chances to make it I reckon from what I've seen.
In his last game for the NB'S he racked up 35 touches and turned the game, which we won. Layed tackles and goaled..
Loved seeing cripps push crameri and get in his face.
Flying the flag in game 2 at 19 yo. Make no mistake this kid is going to be a leader of this club.
I tell ya what though, the next target Cripps hits by foot will be his first..... 8)
I agree - don't get the amount of love on here for cripps.
I know his a young solidly built very tall mid that seems to show he has some balls for a 2nd gamer but to me his skills are well below standard and looks snail paced off the mark, has no tank ane very little on the defensive side. Only player 2 games I know but my point is his games is miles off yet he is talked up like he is certain to star and a great draft pick.
Too many on here look at the weight, height and amount of animal a player has rather then actually ability with the pill - you need to get the footy and use it well to make an impression.
Buckley really impressed me and his half the statue of cripps. Cripps need time but so far IMO has show very little to suggest he is a future leader and a star in the making like many on here are suggesting.
Menzel and Buckley are big chances to make it I reckon from what I've seen.
In his last game for the NB'S he racked up 35 touches and turned the game, which we won. Layed tackles and goaled..
That's the 2nds. I lot of average players can smash it there.
Massive step up to the seniors.
Might be ok - my point is he is being built up to be something that his form in the firsts doesn't warrant......not at this stage anyway.
Loved seeing cripps push crameri and get in his face.
Flying the flag in game 2 at 19 yo. Make no mistake this kid is going to be a leader of this club.
I tell ya what though, the next target Cripps hits by foot will be his first..... 8)
I agree - don't get the amount of love on here for cripps.
I know his a young solidly built very tall mid that seems to show he has some balls for a 2nd gamer but to me his skills are well below standard and looks snail paced off the mark, has no tank ane very little on the defensive side. Only player 2 games I know but my point is his games is miles off yet he is talked up like he is certain to star and a great draft pick.
Too many on here look at the weight, height and amount of animal a player has rather then actually ability with the pill - you need to get the footy and use it well to make an impression.
Buckley really impressed me and his half the statue of cripps. Cripps need time but so far IMO has show very little to suggest he is a future leader and a star in the making like many on here are suggesting.
Menzel and Buckley are big chances to make it I reckon from what I've seen.
In his last game for the NB'S he racked up 35 touches and turned the game, which we won. Layed tackles and goaled..
That's the 2nds. I lot of average players can smash it there.
Massive step up to the seniors.
Might be ok - my point is he is being built up to be something that his form in the firsts doesn't warrant......not at this stage anyway.
He is 19 and has played better in his first 2 games than Gibbs and Murphy. Further exposure at this stage will only advance his stocks.
Loved seeing cripps push crameri and get in his face.
Flying the flag in game 2 at 19 yo. Make no mistake this kid is going to be a leader of this club.
I tell ya what though, the next target Cripps hits by foot will be his first..... 8)
I agree - don't get the amount of love on here for cripps.
I know his a young solidly built very tall mid that seems to show he has some balls for a 2nd gamer but to me his skills are well below standard and looks snail paced off the mark, has no tank ane very little on the defensive side. Only player 2 games I know but my point is his games is miles off yet he is talked up like he is certain to star and a great draft pick.
Too many on here look at the weight, height and amount of animal a player has rather then actually ability with the pill - you need to get the footy and use it well to make an impression.
Buckley really impressed me and his half the statue of cripps. Cripps need time but so far IMO has show very little to suggest he is a future leader and a star in the making like many on here are suggesting.
Menzel and Buckley are big chances to make it I reckon from what I've seen.
In his last game for the NB'S he racked up 35 touches and turned the game, which we won. Layed tackles and goaled..
That's the 2nds. I lot of average players can smash it there.
Massive step up to the seniors.
Might be ok - my point is he is being built up to be something that his form in the firsts doesn't warrant......not at this stage anyway.
He is 19 and has played better in his first 2 games than Gibbs and Murphy. Further exposure at this stage will only advance his stocks.
I like his demeanor, appears to have a good balance between competitive spirit -hunger for the physical contest, yet personable . To early to tell, but may turn out to be a real leader.
I'm with Shawny here. currently is off the pace and is having a hard time being effective. If we are not careful we will kill the kids confidence.
I'm with Shawny here. currently is off the pace and is having a hard time being effective. If we are not careful we will kill the kids confidence.
True, and it's all a matter of degree, but I get the impression his self confidence isn't as fragile as most others his age.
He's been given a taste now and knows what it's all about, back to the twos and I'm thinking next chance he gets he will stay in the side.
And Kouta was a star 2 games in? ::)
We need to make sure he is going to play in the block busters, to get a taste of the big time.
it was a collective effort with guys prepared to take the game on
A stark contrast to the month past.
Running through the middle, linking hard and quick puts opposition defense under pressure
We're not skilled enough to play tempo footy, I m glad we played to our strengths
Yes, thank god!
Lucas is getting Sharper and tougher
I agree, give him more time in the ones, he'll play the next 3 i reckon, and probably a few more after the bye, hopefully he's cemented by then.
Warnock BOG by country mile. Someone must have put a rocket up his proverbial re: [lack of] second efforts.
Gibbs - enigma. Walker - enigma.
Saw evidence of leadership (talk, direction, instructions) from Daisy.
Not thrilled with backline containing Everitt, White and Rowe.
Definitely saw a game plan of sorts with players running to position in anticipation of fast movement by foot. Alleluiah.
Nor am i, but i'd prefer those 3 to Tom Young, Tom Williams and Michael Talia, only just
And Patrick Cripps, anyone?
Was prominent in the VFL side and earned his promotion...
Another game in the firsts next week?
I m really not sure he's ready, made some blunders today.
50/50
depends on the 2's and if there's a star performer that's pushing
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Well that's N Graham I guess
Yep cripps was ordinary at best today. Needs a spell. McLean, Graham and garlett in for Judd, curnow, cripps
You can add Armfield and Jamo to that list for Bell and Rowe/White. Prefer Robbo to Graham without Bell in the side, we need his Hardness
re: Cripps....knock on Cripps was always his pace and endurance.....Malthouse has done alright with him so far IMO. Made his spend time forward where he can have a bit of a look without minding a dangerous midfielder and also gives him a chance to use his size and take a mark or two.
I think we need to keep playing him to get his awareness up and continue the education...he will get 30 possies in the twos every week and learn nothing......Stkilda have played Luke Dunstan every week and he will have 20 games up by seasons end a solid foundation to build on...we always make the msiatke of yo yoing our kids back and forth between the NB's and seniors. A classic example is Nick Graham....was great again for the NB;s but would have learned nothing playing on VFL banana's unlike Dunstan who is getting good game time on good players.
We need to cut out the short term thinking and look further aeahed to where we want to be or we will be playing catch up to teams like the Saints....
re: Cripps....knock on Cripps was always his pace and endurance.....Malthouse has done alright with him so far IMO. Made his spend time forward where he can have a bit of a look without minding a dangerous midfielder and also gives him a chance to use his size and take a mark or two.
I think we need to keep playing him to get his awareness up and continue the education...he will get 30 possies in the twos every week and learn nothing......Stkilda have played Luke Dunstan every week and he will have 20 games up by seasons end a solid foundation to build on...we always make the msiatke of yo yoing our kids back and forth between the NB's and seniors. A classic example is Nick Graham....was great again for the NB;s but would have learned nothing playing on VFL banana's unlike Dunstan who is getting good game time on good players.
We need to cut out the short term thinking and look further aeahed to where we want to be or we will be playing catch up to teams like the Saints....
Agree. Couldnt belive MM/Match Committe dropped Nick Graham again. Come on, get games on end intot he kid at senior level along with Cripps. Im hoping Holman and Giles get a number of games this year also. We simply need this. Buckley comes straight back in when he's ready also IMO.
re: Cripps....knock on Cripps was always his pace and endurance.....Malthouse has done alright with him so far IMO. Made his spend time forward where he can have a bit of a look without minding a dangerous midfielder and also gives him a chance to use his size and take a mark or two.
I think we need to keep playing him to get his awareness up and continue the education...he will get 30 possies in the twos every week and learn nothing......Stkilda have played Luke Dunstan every week and he will have 20 games up by seasons end a solid foundation to build on...we always make the msiatke of yo yoing our kids back and forth between the NB's and seniors. A classic example is Nick Graham....was great again for the NB;s but would have learned nothing playing on VFL banana's unlike Dunstan who is getting good game time on good players.
We need to cut out the short term thinking and look further aeahed to where we want to be or we will be playing catch up to teams like the Saints....
Geelong had a side of champions yet they still managed to identify their important kids and got game time into them while their champs were still around to take some heat off them. They played for now and for the future. End result they sit on top of the ladder 7 years after their first flag.
We need these types of policies rather than plucking best availables and hoping they come through via our broken development system. Which leaves us with the least experienced U23 group going around plus nowhere near a flag
re: Cripps....knock on Cripps was always his pace and endurance.....Malthouse has done alright with him so far IMO. Made his spend time forward where he can have a bit of a look without minding a dangerous midfielder and also gives him a chance to use his size and take a mark or two.
I think we need to keep playing him to get his awareness up and continue the education...he will get 30 possies in the twos every week and learn nothing......Stkilda have played Luke Dunstan every week and he will have 20 games up by seasons end a solid foundation to build on...we always make the msiatke of yo yoing our kids back and forth between the NB's and seniors. A classic example is Nick Graham....was great again for the NB;s but would have learned nothing playing on VFL banana's unlike Dunstan who is getting good game time on good players.
We need to cut out the short term thinking and look further aeahed to where we want to be or we will be playing catch up to teams like the Saints....
Not sure EB.
Cripps is cooked by 1/4 time. He'd have learnt enough in these games to realise he's a mile behind whats required in terms of fitness.
Give him a month back in the magoos and then bring him back.
I'm elated with the win, gents.
But we can't delude ourselves. We have major weaknesses.
Despite what some on here keep saying, if you are being fair dinkum and prepared to take off the blinkered biased glasses, then you have to acknowledge that Rowe isn't up to it. He panics, he fumbles, he lacks the ability to stick a tackle etc. etc. Watson is no better, and White lacks a football brain. I have seen him go to punch the ball out of bounds at least 4 times in the last three games, when he could have taken an uncontested mark. In fact he went the punch in the last quarter against the dogs, and the ball flew straight up in the air, and it came down into his hands for a clear mark which the umpire didn't pay.
Instead of going the punch, he could have marked the thing to begin with. But he lacks confidence in his own ability to mark the ball, and panics.
I understand that at this point in time, it would seem that we have no one else to replace them, but frankly, leaving our defence in their hands will kill us and has killed us against the top teams.
They nearly cost us the game on Sunday. If the dogs player kicks through the ball and goals instead of doing a Garlett and dribbling the ball through for a point, we are in real trouble.
The only way we are going to win games is, and this is stating the obvious, to do what we did yesterday and establish a big enough lead to compensate for Rowe and Whites lack of defensive skills.
I'm hoping Everitt can find a place there, and Docherty can overcome his issues and come into the side, and that may give us a better defence that can withstand counter attacks from the opposition.
Until then, it's going to be heart in mouth stuff every game.
Agree....great win character wise and seeing Curnow come back after beeing wrapped around the goalpost made us all proud bt the Bulldogs are not very good and their key defenders were
terrible.
re: White...degree of difficulty vs Crameri is high...he is a very awkward player as he is mobile but is also very strongly built, lucky he is an indifferent kick and tends to kick the hard ones
but miss the gimme's.
To be fair to Rowe he probably made one glaring error where he kicked the ball quickly without looking but he did spoil Jones mots times and also threw his weight around.
He is a big unit at 198cm to be playin KP and few of the Bulldogs smalls ended up on the deck after he made contact with them.....Jamison isnt big enough to take the really tall forwards, either is White and
as we saw we need Henderson forward.
Cale Hooker was a laughing stock at Essendon for years especially famous for his fruitless chase on Buddy Franklin in one game but now is a reliable defender.......I think Rowe will hold his place ahead of Watson as the former at least lays body on his man and gets physical...Watson doesnt have any body on body skills and cant defend, Rowe at least plays with some effort and intensity.
For those who want him out of the team I reckon you will be dissapointed as the alternatives are few and I think we have to hope he improves.
Would love to be wrong about Rowe. Doubt I will be, but would love to be.
@EB1
Agree about Rowe. Will never be a superstar by a long way but could become a reasonably solid, unspectacular, reasonable player who will fill a gap for us for a couple of years.
Same again. Hope I'm wrong about him.
But I do agree with Elwood. Watson is worse!!!
Rowe is a deceptively big unit too - 198cm, 96kg.
A better prospect than White imo. noting both have had serious health issues to deal with.....
We need to make Rowe an dangerous defender. Our spine will be easier to build if we have a group of defenders that are reliable and physical. He is probably our best option of keeping Henderson up forward to give us some structure on the attack. Watson is not proven as a defender just yet. Might not ever get there either. Lets hope over time, that I am completely wrong.
If the ability to play is not there, then you can't make a footballer anything. BUT, if a player has got a football brain, is cool in a crisis and has some skill, you can, with time and patience, make them into anything.
An example, Bruce Doull. I saw him at the start. Slow, and frankly hopeless. People tend to forget that. But perseverance and good coaching brought out the wonderful skills he had, and the football smarts he had. Greg Williams another one. Slower than me, but what a footy brain and skills. That more than made up for his deficiency.
Rowe, is slow, BUT has no skills, and doesn't have a football brain. He's a plodder, and always will be one. Unfortunate, but in my opinion, true.
BUT, I really hope he proves me wrong. Anyone that can come through what he did, deserves to be successful in their chosen field of endeavour.
An example, Bruce Doull. I saw him at the start. Slow, and frankly hopeless. People tend to forget that. But perseverance and good coaching brought out the wonderful skills he had, and the football smarts he had. .
He would have been delisted if he played in the current AFL system.. ;)
Yep, the old man and I watched Bruce's first dozen or so games and he looked no chance of making it. 350-odd games later....
But then again we got most of the others right from the armchair!
Rowe looks much quicker than Watson, but looks can be deceiving.
Watson is a much better ball user.
Rowe has a physical presence and he's having more of an impact on the opposition as his confidence grows. Our other defenders are ball players who rarely tackle opponents with malice.
Watson may be able to roost the ball a long way but Rowe actually gets to contests and hits them hard.
Rowe has a physical presence and he's having more of an impact on the opposition as his confidence grows. Our other defenders are ball players who rarely tackle opponents with malice.
Watson may be able to roost the ball a long way but Rowe actually gets to contests and hits them hard.
Agree, Rowe is showing a lot of mongrel since he's joined the backline - both on and off the ball. He seems to enjoy it.
Watson is far too nice by comparison. ;D
An example, Bruce Doull. I saw him at the start. Slow, and frankly hopeless. People tend to forget that. But perseverance and good coaching brought out the wonderful skills he had, and the football smarts he had. .
He would have been delisted if he played in the current AFL system.. ;)
That highlights the ruthless nature of the current AFL game - sadly.
Likewise Kouta looked like a gumby for some time (not that a Watto type could ever compare...).
But, the lad does seem to have smarts....
Rowe has a physical presence and he's having more of an impact on the opposition as his confidence grows. Our other defenders are ball players who rarely tackle opponents with malice.
Watson may be able to roost the ball a long way but Rowe actually gets to contests and hits them hard.
Seems quite apparent that MM is a Rowe fan. Watson is a marvellous kick, but his AFL career is slipping away.
Rowe has a physical presence and he's having more of an impact on the opposition as his confidence grows. Our other defenders are ball players who rarely tackle opponents with malice.
Watson may be able to roost the ball a long way but Rowe actually gets to contests and hits them hard.
Seems quite apparent that MM is a Rowe fan. Watson is a marvellous kick, but his AFL career is slipping away.
I guess we all forget, given Rowe's age and illness of late, how few afl games, at the top level, he has played.
He really can only get better.... and seriously better.
Best part is he seems to like crunching people!
Best part is he seems to like crunching people!
If he can develop the rest of his game in defence, the crunching will become an awesome diversion.
Best part is he seems to like crunching people!
If he can develop the rest of his game in defence, the crunching will become an awesome diversion.
When he was drafted he made a comment about hurting opponents that caught my attention. It's taken a while but it seems that he is delivering on that aspect of his game.
He does need to develop his awareness and improve his decision making but that should come with more experience. I hope so, both for his sake and because we need a competitive tall defender.
Best part is he seems to like crunching people!
If he can develop the rest of his game in defence, the crunching will become an awesome diversion.
When he was drafted he made a comment about hurting opponents that caught my attention. It's taken a while but it seems that he is delivering on that aspect of his game.
He does need to develop his awareness and improve his decision making but that should come with more experience. I hope so, both for his sake and because we need a competitive tall defender.
Dare we dream...Earl mk2?
Best part is he seems to like crunching people!
If he can develop the rest of his game in defence, the crunching will become an awesome diversion.
When he was drafted he made a comment about hurting opponents that caught my attention. It's taken a while but it seems that he is delivering on that aspect of his game.
He does need to develop his awareness and improve his decision making but that should come with more experience. I hope so, both for his sake and because we need a competitive tall defender.
Dare we dream...Earl mk2?
Earl was a better contested mark than both Rowe and Watson put together.
Casboult is a better comparison, really, plus they both have/had ridiculous kicking actions that give us all nightmares. Earl was a very ordinary kick for goal also... we had Kernahan nailing them from everywhere at the time, though, so it wasn't as noticeable, plus our defence was so good that we could win with an 8 goal total most weeks :P.
Watson may be able to roost the ball a long way but Rowe actually gets to contests and hits them hard.
Watson's use isn't just about the long kick, he is very cool in traffic and can lower his eyes to hit targets, it seems he has good peripheral vision. Like Rowe, Watson looks much better when he attacks the contest. He is just a kid.
The club has given Casboult five years so far, they need to be equally patient with Watson, Watson has shown more in his early games than Casboult did at the same stage!
I suspect Watson will be ideal in the long term, he has a reliable kicking action and he can kick goals from outside F50!
Rowe ahead of Watson and White every day of the week at this stage. Watto would be played forward at 2's level if I had my way with an eye to play him there at AFL level, White also.
My 3rd tall defender aat AFL level at some point in the near future would be Cam Giles.
Different player, but I reckon that when 1AW kicks, the ball spins a lot faster. It happens both left and right foot, and I think it is most of the time. Does anyone know what the effect of this is on the footy (not always a turnover!), or what he does differently, or am I wrong?
Different player, but I reckon that when 1AW kicks, the ball spins a lot faster. It happens both left and right foot, and I think it is most of the time. Does anyone know what the effect of this is on the footy (not always a turnover!), or what he does differently, or am I wrong?
Interesting observation. I'll pay more attention in future.
I wasn't terribly good at physics but I'll hazard a guess that ball spin is related to timing; the instep making contact with the ball at the optimum point on the kicking arc will impart the greatest ball spin. Faster ball spin should mean that the footy travels faster, straighter and longer.
Now, someone who understands physics can correct me ;)
Faster maybe but not necessarily straighter and most definitely not longer IMO.
Faster maybe but not necessarily straighter and most definitely not longer IMO.
Correct, the more energy that goes into a faster spin the less energy gets converted to forward motion.
The fast spin might result in a straighter flight but only if the ball is perfectly balanced and symmetrical(Hardly any are!)
1AW must be striking the ball close to the point.
In years gone by fast spinning drop kicks were a sign that the kick either came a fraction too late or the drop angle was wrong, the ideal strike was around 2~3 rotations per second.
Different player, but I reckon that when 1AW kicks, the ball spins a lot faster. It happens both left and right foot, and I think it is most of the time. Does anyone know what the effect of this is on the footy (not always a turnover!), or what he does differently, or am I wrong?
Interesting observation. I'll pay more attention in future.
I wasn't terribly good at physics but I'll hazard a guess that ball spin is related to timing; the instep making contact with the ball at the optimum point on the kicking arc will impart the greatest ball spin. Faster ball spin should mean that the footy travels faster, straighter and longer.
Now, someone who understands physics can correct me ;)
A spinning ball, due to the gyroscopic effect, will be more stable in its trajectory and less liable to wobble or tumbling (end over end) leading to it going further, straighter and faster as you say. I think there is an optimum rate of spin in fact, faster is better is only true up to a point?
Think of a Golf Ball.
You need spin to launch it in the air and keep it in the air. However there becomes a point where too much spin will let the ball fly higher and faster initially, but fall out of the sky creating a balloon affect. When choosing the best Driver for you think of a hose running with water.
You lift the hose up as far as can to let the water reach the furtherest point you can. Obviously you need to pull it higher to get the water to arc to a point, but keep lifting it, and the water starts to reduce in distance as the arc becomes greater and balloons.
having said all that, Walker just kicks tumblers on a regular basis. He has such great hands and pace so its a conundrum and would play him forward and on the wing regularly.
A spinning ball, due to the gyroscopic effect, will be more stable in its trajectory and less liable to wobble or tumbling (end over end) leading to it going further, straighter and faster as you say. I think there is an optimum rate of spin in fact, faster is better is only true up to a point?
For optimal length the line of strike vector must be directed through the center of the ball, spin will be a result of torque that develops when the force is not directed through the ball mid point in conjunction with any asymmetry in the ball and the balls deformation.
For 1AW to have faster than normal spin he must be kicking close to the point and the force vector of his strike must be on a line significantly mis-aligned to the center of the ball.
The elliptical ball does not behave like a round ball, (soccer, golf, volleyball, etc., etc..) Round balls can develop lift as a result of spin. Footballs only develop lift when the angle of the torpedo punt is correct to allow the ball profile to act like a wing cross section. A drop punt spinning correctly develops no lift.
If you really wanted to you can use a free software package called Tracker Video Analysis to do a serious study. You would need some good quality video of a football, make a great high school project for kids.
That's of course if it's true that the ball spins faster when walker kicks it.
It's not a bad theory but I can't say I have noticed.
Think of a Golf Ball.
You need spin to launch it in the air and keep it in the air. However there becomes a point where too much spin will let the ball fly higher and faster initially, but fall out of the sky creating a balloon affect. When choosing the best Driver for you think of a hose running with water.
You lift the hose up as far as can to let the water reach the furtherest point you can. Obviously you need to pull it higher to get the water to arc to a point, but keep lifting it, and the water starts to reduce in distance as the arc becomes greater and balloons.
having said all that, Walker just kicks tumblers on a regular basis. He has such great hands and pace so its a conundrum and would play him forward and on the wing regularly.
Another two handed ball drop player, the best kicking players drop the ball with one hand and guide it on the boot. one hand allows you to kick quickly when under pressure and on the run...AW isnt a bad set shot for goal but thats because he can kick slowly and under no pressure and when he drops the ball he can balance up but on the run or under pressure that ball drop lets him down.
A spinning ball, due to the gyroscopic effect, will be more stable in its trajectory and less liable to wobble or tumbling (end over end) leading to it going further, straighter and faster as you say. I think there is an optimum rate of spin in fact, faster is better is only true up to a point?
For optimal length the line of strike vector must be directed through the center of the ball, spin will be a result of torque that develops when the force is not directed through the ball mid point in conjunction with any asymmetry in the ball and the balls deformation.
For 1AW to have faster than normal spin he must be kicking close to the point and the force vector of his strike must be on a line significantly mis-aligned to the center of the ball.
The elliptical ball does not behave like a round ball, (soccer, golf, volleyball, etc., etc..) Round balls can develop lift as a result of spin. Footballs only develop lift when the angle of the torpedo punt is correct to allow the ball profile to act like a wing cross section. A drop punt spinning correctly develops no lift.
If you really wanted to you can use a free software package called Tracker Video Analysis to do a serious study. You would need some good quality video of a football, make a great high school project for kids.
I'm not sure i can agree with you on this point.
I'm willing to accept your point on NOT creating lift, but i believe there is a similar benefit which you may argue is called something else.
I believe the drop punt (if it does not CREATE lift) at least minimizes the effect of wind resistance on it (some may argue its the same thing) by comparison to any other random spinning it may encounter otherwise.
How do you explain a banana kick? Its the same principal, just sidewards instead of upwards. Clearly curves.
How do you explain the tumble punt kick? Same again, except it turns down.
Couple of other things I noticed last week:
1. Murph shaved the beard off
2, MM sat at the back of the coaches box not the front
3. Judd no longer wears Puma boots (now wears Asics).
Couple of other things I noticed last week:
1. Murph shaved the beard off
2, MM sat at the back of the coaches box not the front
3. Judd no longer wears Puma boots (now wears Asics).
Re the judd boots. No longer wears puma because they are no good for players with Achilles issues - something about their design.
The Asics boots have a raise in the heel and will force you to artificially stand more on the balls of your feet than heel striking.