Fire up lads.
Go Blues.
I can feel that red mist coming on!
We will win the first quarter at least IMO.
Murph on Swan, or Swan or Murph.
Walks in defense.
Sigh..................
Jones takes too long to make decisions.
Smashing coming up.
To many basic errors.
Walks in defense.
Sigh..................
He and Buckley are like a comedy duo back there.
Gibbs doesn't appear interest.
He and Buckley are like a comedy duo back there.
yep, but I'm not seeing the humour.
Well, usually we have decent 1stq and then fall away. Maybe we can do the opposite tonight.
MBB, are you at the game ?
Smashing coming up.
To many basic errors.
Yep, they are much slicker than us. We must settle at all costs
4 Carlton players standing at the top of the square watch Dwyer kick a goal.
Amateur hour.
Any chance Gibbs can kick or handball to a player wearing blue? Buckley showing why he should be in the twos and Warnock looks knackered already just a little jog off half forward putting no pressure on their Collingwood counter attack.
Yep, they are much slicker than us. We must settle at all costs
That was very hard to watch.
Jones takes too long to make decisions.
I still think this, but he is playing alright.
What does Malthouse see in 715 that walker is good in defence??
Any chance of Warnock doing something - anything - around the ground after the tap???
We are the most skill deficient side I have ever seen.
I realise that we are down on personnel but Walker in defence... WTF?
Whiley is the one taking too long. First crack in the big time though.
Well, usually we have decent 1stq and then fall away. Maybe we can do the opposite tonight.
MBB, are you at the game ?
Nah watching from a hospital.
Seriously, WTF does this club see in Jones??? Fair dinkum, has the sit and gives away the dumbest ass free of the night. Dumb, dumb footballer.
As for Warnock - not winning centre taps - doesn't do jack around the ground - why do we bother?
Terrible passage for the umps. Free against Jones - Not there. Free too Wood - Not payed Then Wiley hit in the head then in the back - Not PAYED! Result - Pies goal. FFS!
Get serious or F off Gibbs.
LMAO Gibbs now there is a disinterested footballer if I ever saw one.
Fair to say I'm a little disappointed in the Brycelet at this point.
Nah watching from a hospital.
Nothing serious I hope - hope you escape soon.
Get serious or F off Gibbs.
Trade Bait
This is going to get very ugly.
Gibbs isn't worth a second rounder.
Fair to say I'm a little disappointed in the Brycelet at this point.
I've been a fan of Gibbs for a while, and defended him against a few on here. But he is either injured or he must have some serious dirt on influential people at the club. He's just laughing at us, the way he's playing.
Playing like he doesn't care.
Has hendo had a touch?
Any risk of Jones taking a mark?
Playing like he doesn't care.
Yep, like he's untouchable.
Seriously how do some of these get drafted?
I can't believe how bad we are, we must be tanking.
Elliott will be a star.
We make every opponent look good.
Our OBs get first hands on the ball over and over again but they fumble!
Seems like banging it out of defensive isn't working.
How can collingwood keep having loose men? Sub Gibbs now. At least Boekhurst will try a bit.
They are not focused, they're confused.
Whiley way out of his depth.
Whiley having a dog of a game.
Our OBs get first hands on the ball over and over again but they fumble!
Whiley wishing he was somewhere else.
If Collingwood kicked straight this would be 10 goal margin.
Jones is a hack.
We have no idea how to move the ball out of defence.
Etc etc etc
Elliott will be a star.
AA for mine. Punches well above his height / weight.
Carlton bruise free footy specialists :-[
Carlton bruise free footy specialists :-[
Amazing we have so many plodders yet are still not hard at it.
Jacsk doing Jacsk $hit
Jacksh showing why GWS were happy to see him go.
sam pang could go harder than some of theses guy - especially gibbs
Carlton bruise free footy specialists :-[
I think they're putting in but they have no skills and zero idea how to dispose of the ball and they are making very basic mistakes. Like Jaksch just then.
They are gone. And not just this game. Brisbane will have a real chance of beating these mistake ridden hacks next week.
My mum always told me, if you have nothing nice to say then... :P
This club can have my money for being a member and then go and get stuffed. Sick of these bullcrap limp performances by guys who think their crap don't stink cause they think they can kick a footy. >:(
Mick to rip these blokes a new one at half time, as limp wristed an effort as I have ever seen.
This could be a 15-20 goal flogging.
This could be a 15-20 goal flogging.
I genuinely feel for Mick. Any other club would have put in an effort to honour his record. Not these guys.
Insipid. Terrible, Terrible football side.
Collingwood are a better side with better kids. We are 6-8 years away.
No more skills
Totally off topic: I'm at the ground but someone has texted that that disgraceful excuse for a human being Geoffery Edelstein is actually sitting in the Carlton coaches box. Is that correct???
I give up trying to explain - we are just cr@p!
Seriously what is going on with Gibbs?? How did he ever land at number 1 draft pick? I'd prefer ellard in the midfield? Surely he can't be serious???
Shocking, but predictable.
There are at least 8 players wearing the CFC tonight who wouldn't get a game at any other AFL club, we're just miles down on basic skill.
Weak as pi55. Murph trying hard.
Need to change things up. Why didnt Mick try getting Hendo into the game??
Who to sub?
Totally off topic: I'm at the ground but someone has texted that that disgraceful excuse for a human being Geoffery Edelstein is actually sitting in the Carlton coaches box. Is that correct???
Correct, sitting right behind Mick.
Our players are playing terribly and with no confidence, but our game plan is just as bad. All we do is bomb it long. Mick is Pagan Mark #2!
Micks papers have just been stamped. We are a weak excuse for a football club. Lucky this is a milestone game or we would not be putting in as much effort and be flogged by 100 points. Still time for that to happen.
Insipid. Terrible, Terrible football side.
Collingwood are a better side with better kids. We are 6-8 years away.
The Pies are better but they're no champions. If we had some skills and could lay a tackle and didn't panic this game would be closer. I mean their skills are junior footy level. Literally kick and hope.
Tom Bell has put in. Cripps has been good again. Judd has been good and Docherty has tried.
Jones is a hack. Jaksch is confidence free. Whiley is playing at VFL pace. Ellard has done his usual vanishing act. Gibbs is an unfunny joke.
Henderson back, Jaksch forward
It couldn't be any worse surely
Totally off topic: I'm at the ground but someone has texted that that disgraceful excuse for a human being Geoffery Edelstein is actually sitting in the Carlton coaches box. Is that correct???
There is someone who looks embalmed sitting behind Mick.
How this club can take members' money and put some of these hacks out to represent the jumper makes me want to vomit.
Gibbs... gliding around playing bruise-free footy. AAAAAAAAARGH. FRUSTRATION WITH THIS BLOKE.
Warnock.... not winning taps, zero physical presence, nothing around the ground.
Wood... a trier at best having a poor night.
Jaksch... not ready for senior footy.
Whiley... not ready for senior footy.
Jones... calling this bloke a spud is an insult to a potato. At least Levi can mark the screwing pill.
Henderson... gets killed by the worst delivery in AFL history but how about working harder?
Walker... turnover king from half back. Why not play him higher up the ground?
No spirit. Terrible attitude. Soulless.
Henderson back, Jaksch forward
It couldn't be any worse surely
Got to be worth a try. Hendo has just not been in the game at all.
Totally off topic: I'm at the ground but someone has texted that that disgraceful excuse for a human being Geoffery Edelstein is actually sitting in the Carlton coaches box. Is that correct???
I thought he was broke.
Seriously what is going on with Gibbs?? How did he ever land at number 1 draft pick? I'd prefer ellard in the midfield? Surely he can't be serious???
He was firing on all cylinders just 9 months ago.
Henderson yet again shows why he's a crap forward. He dominates a crap defense like St Kilda but come up against any resistance and nothing every time. If we get a first rounder it will be a steal.
Gibbs a pretender. I actually thought he turned the corner last season but it was his contract year, now he has a 5 year deal he'll just cruise around.
Warnock - WHY?
Simpson - disinterested. Walker - superseded. Everitt - unsighted.
Bell, Cripps, Rowe all trying but too many ghosts out there.
Correct, sitting right behind Mick.
footy club has to get rid of farkwits like him.
surprised he's still around - maggot
If this is the boys' way of honoring Mick, then they must hate his guts.
Reckon a flogging will be enough for MM to fall on his sword and hand the rebuild over to who-ever!! As stated no skills, no heart, no drive to play for the jumper!!
Our players are playing terribly and with no confidence, but our game plan is just as bad. All we do is bomb it long. Mick is Pagan Mark #2!
Amazing we've gone backwards 10 years. In fact I think it's worse. At least we had Fev, Lappin, Kouta, Campo et al. Who have we got now other than Judd?
Memo Mick; the "long bombs to snake" game plan when out in 1985. Plus, we don't have any marking targets to kick at, and no rucks to give us clean ball use!
Can't see Mick getting to 716 at this rate.
There is someone who looks embalmed sitting behind Mick.
:))
I think he uses the same embalmers as some of our players.
Totally off topic: I'm at the ground but someone has texted that that disgraceful excuse for a human being Geoffery Edelstein is actually sitting in the Carlton coaches box. Is that correct???
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Correct, sitting right behind Mick.
An absolute $&@#ing disgrace. Reflects where the club is at the moment. Again $&@#ing disgrace.
Amazing we've gone backwards 10 years. In fact I think it's worse. At least we had Fev, Lappin, Kouta, Campo et al. Who have we got now other than Judd?
Cripps is very very good. But yeah its a ghost town after that.
who decided it was whileys turn to play?
he looks lost, underdone, and frightened.
clubs development on show
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maybe he has the contract on mick?
At the game and this is as bad as it gets. As bad as the very bad pagan days.
A handful of players aside the bulk are actually having a dip. Issue is their skills are not even VFL standard.
They have no system whatsoever and basically just get the pill and kick it towards our end. That's about it.
Way way too many at well below afl standard.
i actually do feel sorry for mick
Henderson yet again shows why he's a crap forward. He dominates a crap defense like St Kilda but come up against any resistance and nothing every time. If we get a first rounder it will be a steal.
Agree, best two games in two years against the Aints.
Gibbs a pretender. I actually thought he turned the corner last season but it was his contract year, now he has a 5 year deal he'll just cruise around.
I think he wants out TBH. Doesn't want to finish his career at Carlton on average coin.
Warnock - WHY?
This.
Simpson - disinterested.
Telling sign.
Walker - superseded.
Always been a putrid defender.
Everitt - unsighted.
Played maybe three great games for the club?
Bell, Cripps, Rowe all trying but too many ghosts out there.
Even they have been meh.
Good to see someone not go after the younger blokes they are the least of our problems.
We're going pretty bad when the in-game thread is dominated by the presence of the "Doc in the box" :(
I guess it takes our mind off the football.
Havnt read a thing yet so sorry if its already been said but MM deserves a fn bake for dropping Casboult. Hendo cant get near it as a result. Jones trying hard but cant catch a cold. Zero target up forward and getting outsmarted by a bunch of fing kids.
Whiley may be ok in the future but looks way out of his depth.
Gibbs......OMFG Gibbs. At this rate, we'll lose in a trade for you. We'll have to throw in a decent player to get the deal done. ::)
First game I've seen this year.
Forget the screwing skills they're not even trying my little girl could have a bigger crack.
Whether or not it's MMs fault he has to be a factor in this embarrassing underwhelming display! Usually I fell sorry for the players but at the moment I feel sorry for myself being here!
King, Thompson and Healy are ripping us to shreds on Foxtel. Justifiably. Healy said that at stoppages we're basically witches hats. Hard to argue.
Gibbs also getting a shellacking from them.
Havnt read a thing yet so sorry if its already been said but MM deserves a fn bake for dropping Casboult. Hendo cant get near it as a result. Jones trying hard but cant catch a cold. Zero target up forward and getting outsmarted by a bunch of fing kids.
Zero targets and absolutely NOTHING when the ball hits the deck.
Havnt read a thing yet so sorry if its already been said but MM deserves a fn bake for dropping Casboult. Hendo cant get near it as a result. Jones trying hard but cant catch a cold. Zero target up forward and getting outsmarted by a bunch of fing kids.
Whiley may be ok in the future but looks way out of his depth.
Gibbs......OMFG Gibbs. At this rate, we'll lose in a trade for you. We'll have to throw in a decent player to get the deal done. ::)
The better clubs will want him to top up their midfield. But we'd only get a second round draft pick for him and a hack to free up a teams salary cap.
I'm still waiting for us to start playing.
Oh dear, dreadful.
But PITC, we all saw this coming last year. Why didn't the club DO SOMETHING about it?
Our list management would be laughable a G-grade ammos level.
Henderson is not really a forward. Clearly his best position is as a key backman. It's unfortunate that we have no one else to play forward to allow him to play his best position. I think we may just have to role the dice with Watson up forward, in the future.
If we can't fire up in the second half then we never will. Mick or no Mick we are in for a long haul.
This is so bad it has to be a set up by the players.
Judd is as bad as anyone in a CFC
But PITC, we all saw this coming last year. Why didn't the club DO SOMETHING about it?
Our list management would be laughable a G-grade ammos level.
We need to drop any player that's not part of the future unless they are real leaders of the club and get games into the kids.
This is so bad it has to be a set up by the players.
Wow. How hilariously bad is this.
Wow mind blown >:(
TThis is ehat Gibbs really meant by giving Mick a send off.
I didn't think we'd win, but seriously I thought we would put in half an effort. Something. Forget Mick, it's the scum we're playing.
This makes the Essendon loss last year look like a thriller.
Just so happy I'm not at the ground.
I'm still staggered how we drop Levi - the only bloke who can take a pack mark - and replace him with a 206 cm traffic cone who craps himself at his own shadow. Who was supposed to mark all the bombs Mick? The invisible man?
As for the players - if they seriously were "playing for the coach" we wouldn't be 9 goals down at half time in a milestone match.
That moment when Ellard gave up on the high ball against Williams is why he should not be in the team!
Whoever had a hand in trading our top pick last year for the crap out there tonight should walk at the end of this season.
I'm still staggered how we drop Levi - the only bloke who can take a pack mark - and replace him with a 206 cm traffic cone who craps himself at his own shadow. Who was supposed to mark all the bombs Mick? The invisible man?
As for the players - if they seriously were "playing for the coach" we wouldn't be 9 goals down at half time in a milestone match.
I think it's quite clear now that they're not playing for the coach.
still cant win a game in aus
Whoever had a hand in trading our top pick last year for the crap out there tonight should walk at the end of this season.
The young players are the least of our problems! Let's jut hope Mick doesn't ruin them before he's gone.
They dont play for this coach, they didn't play for Ratts, maybe they just can't play.
Hendo subbed!
the problem is the leaders on the field
they have always been the problem
and will continue to be.
they have to go - the fkn lot of them
The young players are the least of our problems! Let's jut hope Mick doesn't ruin them before he's gone.
Mick is one of the greatest coaches of all time, our club is an embarrassment.
What a basket case >:(
Mick is one of the greatest coaches of all time, our club is an embarrassment.
He's past it, deal with it. Your club is going alright.
Cannot get upset when we play as expected, we are the worst ball users in the AFL, just about everywhere on the ground we are dead ordinary.
We are playing to that ability!
We couldn't even win a VFL flag with this lot!
They dont play for this coach, they didn't play for Ratts, maybe they just can't play.
Not really Ratts' side out there now is it?
I haven't missed a game in Melbourne for over 5 years. This cuts me deep, just about had enough.
Mick is one of the greatest coaches of all time, our club is an embarrassment.
I agree. But even he couldn't fix the rot. I agree with whoever said that these guys didn't play for Ratts and they didn't play for MM. They don't play for anyone. And our recruiters have destroyed us. Forget the salary cap debacle, what's happened since has turned this club into a joke.
Not really Ratts' side out there now is it?
This is Micks team.
That's his effort out there.
ZERO.
He's past it, deal with it. Your club is going alright.
Have to agree. Once a great coach but past it. All I see is numbers behind the ball, no-one ahead of the ball hence we get to the middle and we have no-one to carry it or kick it too. We structure up so badly. Mick coaches to our weaknesses.
The end of last year we did well as we allowed to have numbers further up the ground and allowed to have our head and run. This is our strength. Please coach to it or piss off.
I agree. But even he couldn't fix the rot. I agree with whoever said that these guys didn't play for Ratts and they didn't play for MM. They don't play for anyone. And our recruiters have destroyed us. Forget the salary cap debacle, what's happened since has turned this club into a joke.
Agreed. complete rebuild is needed.
Mick is one of the greatest coaches of all time, our club is an embarrassment.
WAS when he had the resources of two super clubs.
Other than that his record is average.
Useless old prick and soon he won't be our problem anymore.
Mick is one of the greatest coaches of all time, our club is an embarrassment.
They gave out the stat on TV that shows why MMs game plan is past it, he has never in 30 years been seven goals down at half time and won.
Clubs score 10 goals in a quarter in modern football, MMs game plan puts the brakes on his team as much as it does opponents.
I agree. But even he couldn't fix the rot. I agree with whoever said that these guys didn't play for Ratts and they didn't play for MM. They don't play for anyone. And our recruiters have destroyed us. Forget the salary cap debacle, what's happened since has turned this club into a joke.
What were the players doing when they made the finals three years running, improved every year and should have made a prelim under Ratts then? Wish they had have played for Ratts we would've won a premiership for sure.
P2c loves this. He's not a real Carlton fan.
Is Bower playing
P2c loves this. He's not a real Carlton fan.
Back to the Hawks forum for you mate.
Average list.
Bad game plan.
Coach past his shelf life.
Which of these is the problem?
Multiple times tonight you see the ball on the ground between two Carlton players and neither goes to the ball. They have a negative focus because we have a negative game plan!
How can a team win when nobody wants to attack?
P2c loves this. He's not a real Carlton fan.
I'm starting to enjoy it as well.
Just like knew Australia had to get smashed before the selectors turfed Ponting, we need to belted into the stone age to change the coach and the board.
Mick is done no doubt about it. We also need to completely rejig our player development. A massive clean out and rethink needed there.
What were the players doing when they made the finals three years running, improved every year and should have made a prelim under Ratts then? Wish they had have played for Ratts we would've won a premiership for sure.
When we're allowed to play to our strengths we at least a bottom end of a finals sides. Proved it before, proved it even late last year. When we play this defensive, behind the ball crap around the boundary we're a bottom 3 side.
I'm starting to enjoy it as well.
Just like knew Australia had to get smashed before the selectors turfed Ponting, we need to belted into the stone age to change the coach and the board.
I've had similar thoughts after some losses over the past few years, and it has not made one iota of difference.
Mick is done no doubt about it. We also need to completely rejig our player development. A massive clean out and rethink needed there.
don't think a clean out is needed, just need a coach who'll coach to our strengths, not weaknesses that demoralise the players.
When we're allowed to play to our strengths we at least a bottom end of a finals sides. Proved it before, proved it even late last year. When we play this defensive, behind the ball crap around the boundary we're a bottom 3 side.
No doubt we are coached to Mick's strengths and not ours and the players look confused, devoid of confidence and over it.
When we're allowed to play to our strengths we at least a bottom end of a finals sides. Proved it before, proved it even late last year. When we play this defensive, behind the ball crap around the boundary we're a bottom 3 side.
It's just obvious to me Laj, I can't understand why others don't see it!
Our only hope with this list is the shoot-out, instead we are scraping away to create certain loses with an obsolete game plan!
Mick is done no doubt about it. We also need to completely rejig our player development. A massive clean out and rethink needed there.
I have said put everyone on the trade table and I get shouted down.
......the so called leaders must go...they have no credibility to lead
......
Average list.
Bad game plan.
Coach past his shelf life.
Which of these is the problem?
2 & 3. List is reasonable enough if you coach their strengths that run and do ok.
How is Marc Murphy on 800k? Daisy on 700k? Mick on 1 million+? Greg Swann's legacy.
don't think a clean out is needed, just need a coach who'll coach to our strengths, not weaknesses that demoralise the players.
But our basic skills are atrocious.
How is Marc Murphy on 800k? Daisy on 700k? Mick on 1 million+? Greg Swann's legacy.
ive been banging on about sticks and swans legacy for how long?
don't think a clean out is needed, just need a coach who'll coach to our strengths, not weaknesses that demoralise the players.
we had that coach 3 years ago
You could have clarkson and longmire in the box and it won't help walker hit a target or casboult kick a drop punt or Henderson take a contested mark. They don't have the skills or ability.
1 Draft and we get Cripps. Need 8 more Drafts. Be back in 2023. Good luck guys.
I agree with you IAJ.... why can't thus muppet coach this squad to their strengths instead on insisting on an obselete gameplan that we don't have the cattle to implement... it beggars understanding.
As for list management... Gibbs has to go. F me dead, that hooked shot on goal had "I don't care" and "goodbye coach" written all over it.
2 & 3. List is reasonable enough if you coach their strengths that run and do ok.
I want at least a bl00dy good list, not just a reasonable one.
2 & 3. List is reasonable enough if you coach their strengths that run and do ok.
Wrong. A cohort of players that wilt in the face of any adversity.
2 & 3. List is reasonable enough if you coach their strengths that run and do ok.
Agreed, 70~80% of the list is suitable for AFL standard, but not under this game plan!
We have a list of lightweights, and this game plan is an arm wrestle!
We can't possibly win many games!
How good are we going when Buckley is interviewed at half time and he talks about how they are going to "Fill their boots" in the second half.... How far backwards have we gone this year?
How is Marc Murphy on 800k? Daisy on 700k?
Agreed.
theres no rolling over, they're bending over
and they're liking too
It's just obvious to me Laj, I can't understand why others don't see it!
Our only hope with this list is the shoot-out, instead we are scraping away to create certain loses with an obsolete game plan!
I don't see how the so called shoot out will help us. The scum are winning because the put constant pressure on the ball user. Under Ratts and MM we've been unable to do this for more than five minutes.
But our basic skills are atrocious.
Basic skills are bad because we have no run and doing everything under pressure. Then when we do get it with pressure it's too late, we are demoralised.
Seen enough times when we're allowed to run how much better skills can be.
I don't see how the so called shoot out will help us. The scum are winning because the put constant pressure on the ball user. Under Ratts and MM we've been unable to do this for more than five minutes.
Under Ratts we were allowed to run and made finals. That's our strength.
2012 happened.
I don't see how the so called shoot out will help us. The scum are winning because the put constant pressure on the ball user. Under Ratts and MM we've been unable to do this for more than five minutes.
You're missing the point, we have no space because we have blokes standing opponents. Nobody is attacking so it makes Collingwood look like they are defensive geniuses!
We get the ball we stop, we go around the boundary line they set up. It's all too slow, it's all too predictable. A great game plan for a coach to control, but also great game plan to coach against!
i heard murphy broke a finger nail earlier? were they able to repair it?
Simple every time
Curnow
Ellard
Armfield
Everitt
Walker
Jaksch
Wiley
Go near it they lose the contest. It's a simple game.
Warnock is the worst footballer in the afl
2012 happened.
There were good reasons for 2012, only disputed by those who had a barrow to push. The same reasons do not apply now though, there is no excuse!
I see Jaksch has responded well to his baking in round 1.
If i was Mick Malthouse, tonight i'd be thinking of giving the game away. Surely, you've got better things to do on a friday night then watch a bunch of gutless soft c0cks ruin your legacy on your night of nights.
This is about the most disappointed i've been in a Carlton side since Mick Martyn was our FB.
People can (and will) question everything relating to the gameplan, motivation of players, and the playing list as a whole....but as a player, if you put this kind of effort in, on a night like this, you need to have a good hard look in the mirror and question whether you deserve to wear the navy blue jumper.
Hope it's 100+
Things will happen
Yarran showed some heart and our club baked him for it!
The ground has emptied out.
I'm so glad I wasted my money on a membership today.
What the actual fcku.
Gee nick graham must be bad
There were good reasons for 2012, only disputed by those who had a barrow to push. The same reasons do not apply now though, there is no excuse!
Well if you can blame injuries then why cant you now? Yarran, Thomas, Menzel, Carrazzo, has Mick met Kreuzer? Lol. Injuries happen.
Gee nick graham must be bad
OMG I really LOL'd at that!!
Hope it's 100+
Things will happen
I don't think so. They're not going to sack MM the day after the 715. Or the week after. I think he'll coach out the year.
Gee nick graham must be bad
Carlton have played 33 players this season including quite a few debutants and players from other clubs. You can't play them all every week.
Of the other 13 or so players, Graham, Kreuzer and Watson are at the top of the list to be picked next week.
Well if you can blame injuries then why cant you now? Yarran, Thomas, Menzel, Carrazzo, has Mick met Kreuzer? Lol. Injuries happen.
At times we had 24 fit players to choose from in 2012, we have 35 or 37 fit players to choose from each week in 2015.
2015 our best pre-season for 3 or 4 years!
Gee nick graham must be bad
sings roxette really well
If i was Mick Malthouse, tonight i'd be thinking of giving the game away. Surely, you've got better things to do on a friday night then watch a bunch of gutless soft c0cks ruin your legacy on your night of nights.
This is about the most disappointed i've been in a Carlton side since Mick Martyn was our FB.
People can (and will) question everything relating to the gameplan, motivation of players, and the playing list as a whole....but as a player, if you put this kind of effort in, on a night like this, you need to have a good hard look in the mirror and question whether you deserve to wear the navy blue jumper.
Agreed. Gibbs only breaks out of second gear when his contract is up.
Only upside tonight is a step closer to an early draft pick! :-[
Well if you can blame injuries then why cant you now? Yarran, Thomas, Menzel, Carrazzo, has Mick met Kreuzer? Lol. Injuries happen.
Did Ratts see any of Krezuer in 2011/2012? Yarran is the only big out of that lot. Surely you're not comparing that to 2012.
pathetic.
Can't defend this crap and it's all your mate.
We've just wasted another 3 years, happy?
Curnow... Stop kicking around corners.
OMG I really LOL'd at that!!
We've seen Graham. He's a decent VFL player but like Ellard goes missing in the big time. Having said that id still give him ago.
Buckley has been awful. Though Boke has been good since he's come on. Jones and Warnock are the two worst footballers in the league. By a country mile.
Wrong. A cohort of players that wilt in the face of any adversity.
Not wrong. A group of demoralised players having to play the wrong game plan.
We've seen Graham. He's a decent VFL player but like Ellard goes missing in the big time. Having said that id still give him ago.
Buckley has been awful. Though Boke has been good since he's come on. Jones and Warnock are the two worst footballers in the league. By a country mile.
Played about 10 games and 5 as sub.
Collingwood doing alright sticking with some young guys.
If i was Mick Malthouse, tonight i'd be thinking of giving the game away. Surely, you've got better things to do on a friday night then watch a bunch of gutless soft c0cks ruin your legacy on your night of nights.
This is about the most disappointed i've been in a Carlton side since Mick Martyn was our FB.
People can (and will) question everything relating to the gameplan, motivation of players, and the playing list as a whole....but as a player, if you put this kind of effort in, on a night like this, you need to have a good hard look in the mirror and question whether you deserve to wear the navy blue jumper.
On a night like this? This isn't a big night for Carlton, it's a big night for Mick, and the tribe has spoken. Good night Mick.
On a night like this? This isn't a big night for Carlton, it's a big night for Mick, and the tribe has spoken. Good night Mick.
the tribe can go and get fkd
Easily Docherty's worst game this year, though it's been down there so much I can't entirely blame him.
Can't defend this crap and it's all your mate.
Clarkson? :o
the tribe can go and get fkd
Well you're not left with much then.
Three "efforts' by Gibbs this quarter that were simply pathetic.
Mick yet to beat Buckley as a coach.
Played about 10 games and 5 as sub.
Collingwood doing alright sticking with some young guys.
True. Though you know Whiley will be dropped after tonight, while a guy like Curnow will keep getting games.
Not wrong. A group of demoralised players having to play the wrong game plan.
Get a clue.
The game plan does not tell players to lay 'arm tackles'
The game plan does not tell players to jump out of the way when a player is running at them.
The game plan does not tell players to look over their shoulder everytime they go for the loose ball.
The game plan does not tell players to kick it to the opposition.
The game plan does not tell players to simply not try.
Well you're not left with much then.
have a look at the ground, then look at the scoreboard
Whiley given a tagging job... Says it all
True. Though you know Whiley will be dropped after tonight, while a guy like Curnow will keep getting games.
And Ellard, Armfield. And don't anyone give me BS about them providing a contest. look at the scoreboard FFS!!
how did we come up with the warnock replacement for jamo????
surely Watson or casboult would have been better and at least we would have had a marking target
What I am really struck by is how bereft of pride and confidence this side is right now. I was trying to think what this reminded me of and then I realised that it was not since the days of Dennis Pagan that I had seen our side like this where we have capitulated like this.
The blues have given up. At least Rattan had them playing for the jumper mostly and I cannot remember a game or group of games where we simply gave up. I do not believe we could win a premiership with Rattan as coach as it was (perhaps he's matured) but at least we were competitive.
And Ellard, Armfield. And don't anyone give me BS about them providing a contest. look at the scoreboard FFS!!
They provide a contest... They just lose every one
Get a clue.
The game plan does not tell players to lay 'arm tackles'
The game plan does not tell players to jump out of the way when a player is running at them.
The game plan does not tell players to look over their shoulder everytime they go for the loose ball.
The game plan does not tell players to kick it to the opposition.
The game plan does not tell players to simply not try.
The players are demoralised, they are being forced to play a style of football that just doesn't suit them. It's so obvious!
Add to that The Judge's rebuilding comments which pretty much cooked the club and the coach for 2015!
Flubbo must be jerking his gherkin as he watches us burn, all kicked off by a naive interview!
And Ellard, Armfield. And don't anyone give me BS about them providing a contest. look at the scoreboard FFS!!
Who said I was an effin supporter of either. Ellard who just kicked a goal vanishes for large parts of the game and Army has always been a top up player. I'd drop them as well.
At least the lamb roast I cooked and the accompanying red is some comfort.
On a night like this? This isn't a big night for Carlton, it's a big night for Mick, and the tribe has spoken. Good night Mick.
So friday night, 80k people, biggest rival isn't a big night?
Forget about Mick Malthouse for a minute. This, and the bombers games, are our biggest games for the year, every year.
Add in the Mick Malthouse 715 on top of that, and its the biggest game we are going to play this year. This is how we perform.
Armfield still gets a game PITC because he actually gives a fork.
We can carry one or two tradesmen but not 8.
Buckley is a spud.
Who said I was an effin supporter of either. Ellard who just kicked a goal vanishes for large parts of the game and Army has always been a top up player. I'd drop them as well.
Wasn't aimed at you Mondy, I agree with you!!
They'll also probably drop Buckley tonight - though I agree he's had a complete shocker. I'd still play him before Carrots, Curnow, Armfield, Ellard...
15 individual goal kickers.....for the Pies :-(
So friday night, 80k people, biggest rival isn't a big night?
Forget about Mick Malthouse for a minute. This, and the bombers games, are our biggest games for the year, every year.
Add in the Mick Malthouse 715 on top of that, and its the biggest game we are going to play this year. This is how we perform.
Says even more about what the players think of the coach.
Armfield still gets a game PITC because he actually gives a fork.
We can carry one or two tradesmen but not 8.
100% accurate, and we should have kept Robbo and Garlett and fecked off the goody two-shoes who said they were bad boys!
46 tackles to 79......
that says it all
The players are demoralised, they are being forced to play a style of football that just doesn't suit them. It's so obvious!
Add to that The Judge's rebuilding comments which pretty much cooked the club and the coach for 2015!
Flubbo must be jerking his gherkin as he watches us burn, all kicked off by a naive interview!
I don't give a flying f*** if the players are demoralised. They can be demoralised playing for the NBs next week, or playing for Melbourne next year. When you put on the navy blue jumper, you put in effort. That can be put in each and every week regardless on whether you are playing football under Mick Malthouse or Alistair Clarkson, or if you are playing netball. Effort is not conditional on the coach or the gameplan.
Our players are mentally soft. They need to harden the hell up, or f*** off out of the club.
Wasn't aimed at you Mondy, I agree with you!!
Apologies.
I'll say this about Ratten, he got the most out of Walker who has gone miles backwards since MM took over.
Ironically we are now playing Pagan's Paddock. :))
I don't give a flying f*** if the players are demoralised. They can be demoralised playing for the NBs next week, or playing for Melbourne next year. When you put on the navy blue jumper, you put in effort. That can be put in each and every week regardless on whether you are playing football under Mick Malthouse or Alistair Clarkson, or if you are playing netball. Effort is not conditional on the coach or the gameplan.
Our players are mentally soft. They need to harden the hell up, or f*** off out of the club.
You can have the Hawthorn list, but if you kill their spirit and motivation they will play poo!
Hawthorn, Freo, Sydney and Geelong wouldn't win with this game plan!
Imagine all those elite kids at GWS having to run out and play this sort of rugby style rubbish!
It's career killing, for both the coach and the players!
Apologies.
I'll say this about Ratten, he got the most out of Walker who has gone miles backwards since MM took over.
Walker had one good year under Ratten.
Apologies.
I'll say this about Ratten, he got the most out of Walker who has gone miles backwards since MM took over.
I think it's just his position, has always been an awful defender, but Mick keeps persisting. Was our leading goalkicker in 2011.
i dont know where the fix is
honestly, if it was as simple as the coach, id rest easy.
but this leadership is rotten to the core.
jury is out on management
andrew mackay is a spud.....this is as bad as it gets
Mcavaney just called us a carcas. Yep, that's about right.
Geelong might get a pick in the top 10.
Would they give that up for Henderson?
Least get something from Fev Trade?
looking at the afl.com.au match live...the score chart looks like the 1000 steps
Geelong might get a pick in the top 10.
Would they give that up for Henderson?
Least get something from Fev Trade?
Ouch.
We're actually road kill.
Says even more about what the players think of the coach.
Says more about the players themselves.
Even if Mick is the worst coach in the history of the game. The players playing like this tells me they have no pride in their own performance and no internal drive. It tells me we have a bunch of sheep and no leaders who stand up and say enough is enough.
Trade out our entire leadership group and find someone who actually gives a f***.
I would've loved to have seen Daisy out there tonight. He would've showed the rest of the group what playing with effort and heart is all about.
Get a clue.
The game plan does not tell players to lay 'arm tackles'
The game plan does not tell players to jump out of the way when a player is running at them.
The game plan does not tell players to look over their shoulder everytime they go for the loose ball.
The game plan does not tell players to kick it to the opposition.
The game plan does not tell players to simply not try.
Imagine being told by you of all people to get clue. Why would I ever respect you as a poster. You have to know something first.
Have a look at the Mick's game structure. I know you have no clue what that means because you're not bright enough. Negative game plan, go forward, nothing to kick to past the centre. No run, demoralised players.
I know you can't understand that but if you try hard you can manage.
Get a clue.
I think it's just his position, has always been an awful defender, but Mick keeps persisting. Was our leading goalkicker in 2011.
And that's the thing, Mick refuses to change his ways.
What an utter disgrace. I blames Mick's refusal to change and these players complete lack of effort. Or passion. Or soul. Or anything. We might play better for Longmire, but we'd still be rubbish.
Swannies Gut ftw! :D
Mcavaney just called us a carcas. Yep, that's about right.
Embarrassing when McAvaney starts taking the piss out of your side!
You can have the Hawthorn list, but if you kill their spirit and motivation they will play poo!
Hawthorn, Freo, Sydney and Geelong wouldn't win with this game plan!
Imagine all those elite kids at GWS having to run out and play this sort of rugby style rubbish!
It's career killing, for both the coach and the players!
Take the hawthorn list for a sec. When have you seen Hodge put in an effort like that. Mitchell? I could go on.
You can be pissed off with your coach, but you do yourself no favours by not putting in. Take pride in your own performance.
Thank god it's over. If there was any doubt the season is shot although it was already IMHO.
Take the hawthorn list for a sec. When have you seen Hodge put in an effort like that. Mitchell? I could go on.
You can be pissed off with your coach, but you do yourself no favours by not putting in. Take pride in your own performance.
They'd play like Judd, Docherty and Simmo does with us, but they still wouldn't win with this plan!
We should rename our home ground "Toxic Park" because something is definitely off there and it stinks.
2 & 3. List is reasonable enough if you coach their strengths that run and do ok.
The list is very weak, and thin.
Armfield, Ellard, Curnow, Rowe, Wood, Warnock and Jones are all very ordinary footballers with limited skills, throw in a first gamer and a second gamer and almost half of tonight's team wasn't AFL standard.
A decade or more of woeful recruiting comes at a high price and the CFC is paying it.
Sack the coach by all means, I'm no huge Mick Malthouse fan, but nothing will change if we do.