YOU FKN BEAUTIES!!!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Yeahhhjhhhhh!!!
BUGGER, Looks like number one pick is gone ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
Haha Nick graham made Mick look like the wanker he is
YEAH!! FK YEAH!
They're full of run and we look knackered. Looks like another narrow loss coming up.
Great reverse jinx there Baggers old chum!! :))
YEAH!! FK YEAH!
You'd be happy with your boy, Graham!
You'd be happy with your boy, Graham!
Mate how good is his tackling??? Beautiful skill and vision to hit Hendo late in the game.
Exciting!!! Tough last 5 minutes but what an effort to hold on!
Great to see passion back, was impressed with Graham , show good signs, but good to see some belief back, which translates to passion, and just that gives a little extra,
Mate how good is his tackling??? Beautiful skill and vision to hit Hendo late in the game.
Second highest tackle count for us with 7. Cripps with 11 the most. As his confidence has improved so as he. Has proven that you don't have to be quick over the grass.
Second highest tackle count for us with 7. Cripps with 11 the most. As his confidence has improved so as he. Has proven that you don't have to be quick over the grass.
I know I have a soft spot for him but boy has he improved with every game he's played. Malthouse is a senile old fool.
Wow.
It's now got to be between Cripps and Hogan for the rising star. He got 31 possies and laid 12 tackles, not to mention the 10 clearances. He's just amazing.
And good on you Nick Graham. He put in a full four quarters and is a testament to MM having lost the plot. Loved his game.
The effort was great from all of them. Yeah, White is no champion and Rowe frightens me everytime he has the ball (though he murdered Schulz), but the constant pressure they put on the ball user was fantastic and if not for skill errors, they could have won by five goals.
So, this Barker guy...
Port by 72 points.
Better luck next time! ;)
Cripps. Is he already the best player on our list? Go Baggers!!!! ;D ;D ;D
So, this Barker guy...
......Has given us a bit of a headache.
Sign him now and we do what we said we wouldn't.
Sign someone else and if this form continues the new coach will always be compared to Barker.
We have to go through the process......(and then sign him ;) :D)
That winning feeling again. ;D Fantastic effort.
Cripps, Docherty, Bell, Graham, great to see the improvement in these young guys.
John Barker isn't doing himself any damage either.
Some of that tackling today from Buckley, Cripps, Graham and Menzel was so heartwarming to watch. We have a future. Our boys can play. We are not shight like everyone thought.
Weak link down back is definitely White, his average thought process really stands out when the side is up and running. Carrazzo also struggling. Rowe awful with ball in hand.
Some of that tackling today from Buckley, Cripps, Graham and Menzel was so heartwarming to watch. We have a future. Our boys can play. We are not shight like everyone thought.
Add Bell in there as well, before he would bump now he wraps his arms around and takes them to the ground.
Still don't capitalise on the ground balls in the forward line often enough. Desparately need some zippy smaller forwards.
Weak link down back is definitely White, his average thought process really stands out when the side is up and running. Carrazzo also struggling. Rowe awful with ball in hand.
Agree. Agree. Agree.
Jamison comes back for White. Rowe stays in the team because there's no one else. Carrot retires at the end of the year.
Still don't capitalise on the ground balls in the forward line often enough. Desparately need some zippy smaller forwards.
We sold them all for Dale Thomas and a plate of chips.
We sold them all for Dale Thomas and a plate of chips.
whos dale thomas?
Today I fell in love with football again. I had forgotten how good this game can be, not that it was a top class game or anything but it was good to experience once more.
Cracking game, but ive yet to see the last 5 minutes due to bad wifi where i am....will catch it later.
Great stuff blues, and will bring some belief back. Not sure what has happened to PA this year, but they have fallen away and dont have much going for them. That Wingard fellow can play.
Our mob looked much better and it was a good display of pressure football. We forced mistakes and even though we made plenty ourselves, we got the ball back with plenty of pressure and making good position. Good to see and an important step forward.
Back to jumping up and down now, releasing one's inner child/footy fan!
Today I fell in love with football again. I had forgotten how good this game can be, not that it was a top class game or anything but it was good to experience once more.
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Today I fell in love with football again. I had forgotten how good this game can be, not that it was a top class game or anything but it was good to experience once more.
This. Missed the first half, the property I was selling got passed in at 2.1 million but after watching that game I feel high on satisfaction. Go Blues.
Just over 25k and freezing cold as well. Bring Collingwood back on with 70+k >:D
"What you have to realise...Port are a very very good football team..."
That was a must win for Port and they threw everything at us.
This. Missed the first half, the property I was selling got passed in at 2.1 million but after watching that game I feel high on satisfaction. Go Blues.
You're a real estate agent?
I was just warming to you. 8)
You're a real estate agent?
I was just warming to you. 8)
Mate don't look at me, we have a saying. 'All buyers are liars'. :))
Weak link down back is definitely White, his average thought process really stands out when the side is up and running. Carrazzo also struggling. Rowe awful with ball in hand.
Carrazzo was very good I thought, his best game for the season, Rowe was also good.
White is just a very average footballer but he's the best we've got at the moment.
Cripps is one of those rare players who seems to have an extra split second with the ball, like Diesel Williams, his game was top notch but I still thought Murphy was our best.
Great to see the improvement in Graham, I didn't rate him at all but I'll be glad to eat my words.
I rated Bell from the start and he's going from strength to strength, he's very damaging and opposition teams will need to start paying him more attention.
Hard to pick a bad player today, the only mistake I thought Barker made was not getting Walker on for the last 20 minutes, by the time he made the move it was almost too late.
Just got back - freezing! Great effort from the boys and a wonderful win! I will really enjoy my daughters birthday party tonight now. :)
Carrazzo was very good I thought, was almost too late.
I just think when he's so far in the clear that he can take his time and pick a target and instead just throws the ball on to the boot then he is struggling. Not the player he was.
Yes, our list has some holes but put a coach in charge who isn't mired in the past and we're back on the winners' list :)
However, I wouldn't get too carried away with Johnny Barker, any half decent coach could get more out of our list than the senile, selfish old git who ground us into the dirt.
Yes, our list has some holes but put a coach in charge who isn't mired in the past and we're back on the winners' list :)
However, I wouldn't get too carried away with Johnny Barker, any half decent coach could get more out of our list than the senile, selfish old git who ground is into the dirt.
Was destroying this club just like pagan. Can't believe we did it all over again.
Port were right for the picking and when Gray went off the stars aligned, we had one of our better teams in for the season and they were unsettled making a lot of changes.
Barker has got the basics right and has concentrated on making the football more fun and attacking, plus he is giving kids responsibility and they are responding.
I'm not getting carried away with Barker but is he that good to turn around the teams effort?or was Malthouse that bad and out of touch with the modern game?....I'm thinking its more the latter....
Only club to win in two countries this season!!!
Exhilarating, brutal football!
Barker has modernised our team
Got us playing with guts and determination
The tackling today was the best I've seen in years
Cripps will be an absolute superstar, if he isn't already
Nick Graham..... I WAS WRONG!
Dylan Buckley... great run off half back
Doc.... future leader
Oh how we ve missed Kreuz!!
Sam Rowe is back to his 2014 form down back
Can not believe the difference in this side in the space of 3 weeks.
WOW... what a bit of confidence does to you!!!
Was destroying this club just like pagan. Can't believe we did it all over again.
Credit you... You saw if from the word go.
Me like a malaka, fell into the trap again lol
Port were right for the picking and when Gray went off the stars aligned, we had one of our better teams in for the season and they were unsettled making a lot of changes.
Barker has got the basics right and has concentrated on making the football more fun and attacking, plus he is giving kids responsibility and they are responding.
I'm not getting carried away with Barker but is he that good to turn around the teams effort?or was Malthouse that bad and out of touch with the modern game?....I'm thinking its more the latter....
I tend to agree after today. We seem to have a lot more urgency, confidence and spontaneity under Barker so far. We looked bogged down, tentative and hesitant by comparison under MM. This is only the start - I'm hoping for more improvement as our confidence builds and we get back some more belief.
Patrick Cripps....
......that is all.
Patrick Cripps....
......that is all.
Yep..but we need to get another big imposing mid to help him out because teams will wise up now that he is our new gun and start targeting him...
Before everyone starts wheeling the boots into White......is he a key position defender? Absolutely not. Is he being asked to play a role he is not equipped to do? Absolutely yes. Bit of perspective people, who else would you have standing the 2nd best opposition tall forward at the moment without hurting our current forward set-up of Hendo-Everitt-Caboult? White is clearly out of his depth, but he's not a key defender's bootlace & never has been....maybe if Jaksch wasn't such a spud, White wouldn't be getting exposed - but to his credit, White is leaving nothing out on the field & has been far from disgraced.
Yep..but we need to get another big imposing mid to help him out because teams will wise up now that he is our new gun and start targeting him...
Tom Bell.....
......that is all.
Before everyone starts wheeling the boots into White......is he a key position defender? Absolutely not. Is he being asked to play a role he is not equipped to do? Absolutely yes. Bit of perspective people, who else would you have standing the 2nd best opposition tall forward at the moment without hurting our current forward set-up of Hendo-Everitt-Caboult? White is clearly out of his depth, but he's not a key defender's bootlace & never has been....maybe if Jaksch wasn't such a spud, White wouldn't be getting exposed - but to his credit, White is leaving nothing out on the field & has been far from disgraced.
Agree...being forced to play on bigger more talented KP players isnt right but given Jamison is still coming back from injury and Jaksch is still learning the game we dont have much choice.
He gives us some grunt and you need a couple of honest Indians to make a team....
Yep..but we need to get another big imposing mid to help him out because teams will wise up now that he is our new gun and start targeting him...
Bell's a decent lump of a lad.
Can't quite decide if today it is an indictment on Mick or the players or both or the entire club.... how the heck did they serve up the tripe we were forced to watch for the past 3 months? Unbelievable.
Anyway, fantastic game today, attended for the first time since the Collingwood match. Put real physical pressure on Port, dare i say it, we imposed ourselves physically. Well coached by Barker, got the team to implement what was required to disrupt Port. Only criticism was that he should have bought Walker on 10 minutes earlier... we were fading fast in the last qtr.
Cripps is something to get excited about... just his 12th game today. I thought Bell was great also, along with the skipper. Real gutsy performance in the last qtr.
I also reckon it was possibly Buckley's best game for the club today.....can't remember any glaring turnovers, which can often sour his performances and he played an extremely meaningful role today.
Also reckon that Barker picked the absolutely perfect time to make the sub today....as Wood was spent & was getting smashed in the ruck at the time.
Before everyone starts wheeling the boots into White......is he a key position defender? Absolutely not. Is he being asked to play a role he is not equipped to do? Absolutely yes. Bit of perspective people, who else would you have standing the 2nd best opposition tall forward at the moment without hurting our current forward set-up of Hendo-Everitt-Caboult? White is clearly out of his depth, but he's not a key defender's bootlace & never has been....maybe if Jaksch wasn't such a spud, White wouldn't be getting exposed - but to his credit, White is leaving nothing out on the field & has been far from disgraced.
Spot on.
Bell's a decent lump of a lad.
Doesnt have the class/nous or poise of Cripps IMO....one of my favs is Tommy Bell but he needs a couple of classy mids to play with and they need a
steamroller like Bell to do the heavy lifting when required...
Great to see the improvement in Graham, I didn't rate him at all but I'll be glad to eat my words.
Not so much improvement - just given an opportunity (which was earned by persistence and performance).
That's not to say he is a world beater. The reasons he hasn't had much of an opportunity is that he is not very quick - not a great kick - struggles to hold a tackle - too easily pushed aside - has probably only shown anything when playing in the midfield.
Accordingly, he was (and probably still is) a fair way down the pecking order of our midfield group.
Also reckon that Barker picked the absolutely perfect time to make the sub today....as Wood was spent & was getting smashed in the ruck at the time.
Might have been a bit too late - Wood was flat-footed and unable to get off the ground in ruck contests in the final term - so he was overdue to get off the ground and into the red vest.
Some of that tackling today from Buckley, Cripps, Graham and Menzel was so heartwarming to watch. We have a future. Our boys can play. We are not shight like everyone thought.
The first time in a long time that I can recall the Blues giving the opposition a dose of unsociable football. We had players tackling opponents forcibly into the ground; tackling a dumping opponents who were shepherding them; bumping opponents and making them earn their kicks.
Even Yarran played what might have been his most defensively competitive game for the club - hopefully he will do it again this side of Xmas..
Not so much improvement - just given an opportunity (which was earned by persistence and performance).
That's not to say he is a world beater. The reasons he hasn't had much of an opportunity is that he is not very quick - not a great kick - struggles to hold a tackle - too easily pushed aside - has probably only shown anything when playing in the midfield.
Accordingly, he was (and probably still is) a fair way down the pecking order of our midfield group.
When graham Tackles they stick.
I'm not getting carried away with barker. He is just doing what a competent coach would do.
When graham Tackles they stick.
He stuck quite a few today because he put his body on opponents - he has previously been shrugged off because he lays too many arm tackles.
Thought White did pretty well.
Before everyone starts wheeling the boots into White......is he a key position defender? Absolutely not. Is he being asked to play a role he is not equipped to do? Absolutely yes. Bit of perspective people, who else would you have standing the 2nd best opposition tall forward at the moment without hurting our current forward set-up of Hendo-Everitt-Caboult? White is clearly out of his depth, but he's not a key defender's bootlace & never has been....maybe if Jaksch wasn't such a spud, White wouldn't be getting exposed - but to his credit, White is leaving nothing out on the field & has been far from disgraced.
Agree with this 100% Some of his second, third and fourth efforts today saved goals. Also probably our smartest defender in positioning himself when the ball is coming in quickly. Just needs a chance to play on the third or fourth opposition forward, rather than the second
This. Missed the first half, the property I was selling got passed in at 2.1 million but after watching that game I feel high on satisfaction. Go Blues.
You've got to be kidding posting this right, get over yourself
Oops sorry i didnt realise you were a RE agent. Humble apologies
Heart in the mouth stuff for the last 20 minutes of the game.
First I just want to say how crap the umpiring was all day, they gave kicks and marks that weren't there and missed some real obvious ones both ways.
Second, never been a Ricciuto fan, but he complained about any thing that went against Port Adelaide, most biased commentator in the AFL. Even Russell was bearable this week and Eddie is in our corner at the moment, we obviously are no threat to Collingwood.
I remember growing up and watching my favouite player run out doing brave tough things week after week wearing the number 9, it may be 30 odd years later but we have another player worthy of wearing Ken Hunters jumper in Patrick Cripps. How good is this kid going to be, he sees the game ahead of most, is hard and tough. Tackles with intent and just plays footy. He'll never win an Olympic sprint gold but so what. I hope he gets paired up with Whiley soon, as long as Whiley is not in as a tagger and plays his natural game as a ball winner too.
I read that someone on here thought that Murphy was best on ground, huh? Missed targets all game long, I lost track of how many times the ball bounced short of leading forwards.
I loved, like most on here, the level of fight shown. Buckley, Graham, Bell, Menzel and Cripps tackled with intent and showed the rest of the side how to go about it. Gibbs will and should get a week or two for his sling tackle. At first I thought no way but if it was any other team I'd be saying he has to go for that. Arms pinned, lifted him off the ground in a slinging motion and slammed him into the ground face first. Very Dangerous.
Yarran is only half playing, I don't understand why he doesn't want to run. His defensive game was good but we all know he can do so much more. I did love his chase down tackles though.
I think Wood is tired and needs a rest. He has carried the ruck all season long and I can see Kruezer and Casboult being given those duties next week and maybe include Watson at his six goals.
That's not to say he is a world beater. The reasons he hasn't had much of an opportunity is that he is not very quick - not a great kick - struggles to hold a tackle - too easily pushed aside - has probably only shown anything when playing in the midfield.
Accordingly, he was (and probably still is) a fair way down the pecking order of our midfield group.
You could have said all off this about Carrazzo early on.
Best Saturday arvo I've had in a very long time !
Heart in the mouth stuff for the last 20 minutes of the game.
First I just want to say how crap the umpiring was all day, they gave kicks and marks that weren't there and missed some real obvious ones both ways.
Second, never been a Ricciuto fan, but he complained about any thing that went against Port Adelaide, most biased commentator in the AFL. Even Russell was bearable this week and Eddie is in our corner at the moment, we obviously are no threat to Collingwood.
I remember growing up and watching my favouite player run out doing brave tough things week after week wearing the number 9, it may be 30 odd years later but we have another player worthy of wearing Ken Hunters jumper in Patrick Cripps. How good is this kid going to be, he sees the game ahead of most, is hard and tough. Tackles with intent and just plays footy. He'll never win an Olympic sprint gold but so what. I hope he gets paired up with Whiley soon, as long as Whiley is not in as a tagger and plays his natural game as a ball winner too.
I read that someone on here thought that Murphy was best on ground, huh? Missed targets all game long, I lost track of how many times the ball bounced short of leading forwards.
I loved, like most on here, the level of fight shown. Buckley, Graham, Bell, Menzel and Cripps tackled with intent and showed the rest of the side how to go about it. Gibbs will and should get a week or two for his sling tackle. At first I thought no way but if it was any other team I'd be saying he has to go for that. Arms pinned, lifted him off the ground in a slinging motion and slammed him into the ground face first. Very Dangerous.
Yarran is only half playing, I don't understand why he doesn't want to run. His defensive game was good but we all know he can do so much more. I did love his chase down tackles though.
I think Wood is tired and needs a rest. He has carried the ruck all season long and I can see Kruezer and Casboult being given those duties next week and maybe include Watson at his six goals.
I'd still continue with Wood, I think he is a better ruckman than MK...wasnt that impressed with Kruezers ruckwork and thought Lobbe beat them easily...like to see Casboult spend more time at FF and concentrate on being our main forward.
Reckon both Wood and MK like be the NO 1 ruck and playing the whole game and its going be like Lobbe and Ryder where when played together it doesnt really work...
target and learn how to play the position better
You've got to be kidding posting this right, get over yourself
Oops sorry i didnt realise you were a RE agent. Humble apologies
Just went a long way down the order for mine..... Carrots, Carrots Carrots ...tsk, tsk tsk :o
This is one of the best games from us for a real long time. Cripps, Bell, Graham, Buckley made me believe these kids have ability. Its funny how when you play with intent and passion a win is closer than you think. I have never seen us tackle like today. It was tackle to hurt the opponent. Even Gibbs ? Seriously, has he ever laid a tackle like that before.
I also like Barker with his philosophy. "I don't really prefer you to make mistakes, but I won't crucify you if you do". "As long as you back it up with 2nd and 3rd efforts, things will swing your way".
How much promise and motivation does that give the young kids. I know the skills were ugly at times and it was an ugly game, but I would take an ugly win over a pretty loss any day of the week. ;)
Its amazing how a win changes your outlook on the weekend.
I also liked the comment from one of the commentators, That we played unsociable football like Hawthorn. I was really impressed with that comment because I have always thought we played too kind.
Great win guys...awesome. ;D
Just went a long way down the order for mine..... Carrots, Carrots Carrots ...tsk, tsk tsk :o
Sheesh everyone needs to earn a living.
I was trying to make the point that even though I lost out big time and felt mightily depressed just a few hours later after the Blues had won I felt on top of the world. It was in response to LLT's post about how happy he was.
Anyway re White, it's not his defending that worries me, it's when he's got ball in hand in a fast paced game. Simply not up to it. Goes all wobbly with his decision making. Our shightness under Mick disguised that to a certain extent.
That's not to say he is a world beater. The reasons he hasn't had much of an opportunity is that he is not very quick - not a great kick - struggles to hold a tackle - too easily pushed aside - has probably only shown anything when playing in the midfield.
He will never be quick but he is skillful and very strong. Has shown plenty today.
PI2C,
You must see the first half. It was clear from the first minute that these guys came here to play. They continued that intent for 4 quarters. Sure the mistakes were there, but the tackle count was right up there and they tried to hurt Port physically. Especially Gibbs tackle before half time. That will put a smile on your dial for sure. Remember how many times we have thought Gibbs to be soft and laughed at his pony tail. Today he might have turned the corner. ;)
I remember back to this time last year and one Sam Docherty had a string of games where he choked it up in the dying moments of the game which could have changed the course of those game.
Fast forward one year and man, did he have some enormous moments in the dying moments of this game including perhaps the biggest tackle since Dog Brown laid perhaps Carlton's most famous tackle over a decade ago.
Great win...quite emotional after the game...
my best:
Docherty
Graham
Cripps
Murphy
Everitt
Bell
special mention...Buckley.
a clear example of letting go of the past and run with the young who are the future....
the tackling today was like a switch was flicked.
Never thought i'd so many ferocious tackles that stuck from a carlton team again.......It was like porn
BUGGER, Looks like number one pick is gone ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
I have never been so happy to see pick #1 evaporate before my eyes. I will miss it, but this effort was the sort I have wanted to see for 3 years!
I have never been so happy to see pick #1 evaporate before my eyes. I will miss it, but this effort was the sort I have wanted to see for 3 years!
Yes sneak into the finals taking EFCs spot and that would top off a great 2015 as a new beginning!
Haha Nick graham made Mick look like the wanker he is
Nick has certainly responded in the way we could have hoped. He has been excellent. No stop - start marking in the back pocket and going across the ground or backwards. No playing to show off his deficiencies. Instead he showed off his strengths and it was lovely to see.
How much has he improved within three games. He was a lot better today than he was three weeks ago. JUst needs to play as much senior football as possible.
No FTA & no radio in Sydney and ........ we win !!
Can't take a trick ....... :(
All I know after receiving a phone call is that Cripps played a blinder and the whole team played like men possessed.
Have to ask the question again, how much of this is attributable to Malthouse going and how much is it to do with a new game-plan & attitude ??
The other thing is, what has today done for Barker's chance of getting the gig next year ??
New coach = new attitude = happy supporters !!
Nice to know they are going to be competitive every week from now, it was so hard to stomach some of the performances earlier in the season.
The other thing is, some players who would have been considered a strong chance to be shown the door at the end of the season may end up being offered an extension if they keep up this renewed level of application. Its easy to boot guys who are just going through the motions but now, those who are busting their buns week after week deserve to be rewarded for that level of persistence.
TheSheik if we play with this current level of passion and like men for the rest of the season, the players we don't need could actually have boosted their trade value. I couldn't find a poor player. In fact one of our worst were Walker and Kreuzer. Walker was a sub and was half way through the last quarter. Hence he had limited time to have an impact. Kreuzer did the push and shove rough stuff at ground level. He tried hard, but you can see his limited tank, due to a lack of football match fitness. That will come in a few games time.
Heaps of skill errors by most players. However some good plays pushing the ball forward at any opportunity. Just need to find a way to get Yarran more into the run and carry play. His defending game today was good. Just didn't run and carry as much as he has in the past. Maybe a confidence thing.
No FTA & no radio in Sydney and ........ we win !!
Can't take a trick ....... :(
All I know after receiving a phone call is that Cripps played a blinder and the whole team played like men possessed.
Have to ask the question again, how much of this is attributable to Malthouse going and how much is it to do with a new game-plan & attitude ??
The other thing is, what has today done for Barker's chance of getting the gig next year ??
New coach = new attitude = happy supporters !!
Nice to know they are going to be competitive every week from now, it was so hard to stomach some of the performances earlier in the season.
The other thing is, some players who would have been considered a strong chance to be shown the door at the end of the season may end up being offered an extension if they keep up this renewed level of application. Its easy to boot guys who are just going through the motions but now, those who are busting their buns week after week deserve to be rewarded for that level of persistence.
This now means a total blackout for you every Carlton game...lol.
Just saw a grab from Ken Hinckley, interestingly Gray passed his concussion test plus the docs gave him the okay. It was the coaching staff who decided not to allow him to return as they felt he had been knocked out which put him at risk.
Gray was an important player, that's a pretty big decision by Ken, especially with where the club is and was expecting to be.
Just saw a grab from Ken Hinckley, interestingly Gray passed his concussion test plus the docs gave him the okay. It was the coaching staff who decided not to allow him to return as they felt he had been knocked out which put him at risk.
Gray was an important player, that's a pretty big decision by Ken, especially with where the club is and was expecting to be.
Losing Gray helped us win the game no doubt and Hinkley should be praised for looking after the health of his player given the circumstances.....
BUGGER, Looks like number one pick is gone ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
I see the sarcasm but I for 1 couldn't be happier. I will takes wins, confidence and a winning culture over higher draft picks every day of the week.
Before everyone starts wheeling the boots into White......is he a key position defender? Absolutely not. Is he being asked to play a role he is not equipped to do? Absolutely yes. Bit of perspective people, who else would you have standing the 2nd best opposition tall forward at the moment without hurting our current forward set-up of Hendo-Everitt-Caboult?
Since you asked !!
Why not Jaksch? Surely if he is fit, and he was named an emergency then he would be worth a shot. EDIT If he really is a spud as you suggest, then we really screwed up that trade. :(
Or even Watson, I know he kicked 6 in the VFL but when we are as short on KPD's as we are at the moment, why not bring him in and ask him to play a role.
To me it's crazy asking White to play KPD, personally I reckon it be worth giving an opportunity to Jaksch or Watson.
My opinion - Everitt is not a viable option.
Odd to say after he just kicked 3 goals but his tackling, effort, defensive running and pressure is shocking. Wet paper towel would put up more resistance than his tackles. Body language is horrific. Was really shown up today because all of his teammates were so good.
White can play as a defender, but he can also play as a forward.
Since you asked !!
Why not Jaksch? Surely if he is fit, and he was named an emergency then he would be worth a shot. EDIT If he really is a spud as you suggest, then we really screwed up that trade. :(
Or even Watson, I know he kicked 6 in the VFL but when we are as short on KPD's as we are at the moment, why not bring him in and ask him to play a role.
To me it's crazy asking White to play KPD, personally I reckon it be worth giving an opportunity to Jaksch or Watson.
I think Jaksch is being given a chance to find some form in the seconds. Very young so no need to panic on the trade or call young fellas spuds 5 minutes into their career.
I think Jaksch is being given a chance to find some form in the seconds. Very young so no need to panic on the trade or call young fellas spuds 5 minutes into their career.
3rd AFL season is not super young, I'm not panicking about the trade, and I was only quoting Brettie when I used the term spud. :)
You could have said all off this about Carrazzo early on.
Not so - Carrazzo was quite fast and is still faster than Graham
Graham reminds me of Sam Mitchell. I think his career is panning out the same way as Mitchell who began his impact as a 21 year old after consistent efforts in the VFL. Cripps, Bell and Graham are the heir apparents to Judd, Murphy and Gibbs.
Mate don't look at me, we have a saying. 'All buyers are liars'. :))
You can tell because their lips are moving!
Cripps and Graham were obviously good but I thought Buckley was terrific as well. Turns out our kids aren't complete spuds after all. ^-^
re: Jaksch - I think he's too undersized for AFL and needs to bulk up significantly before he'll get a proper run. Really worries me as he's already been in the system for two years.
Cripps and Graham were obviously good but I thought Buckley was terrific as well. Turns out our kids aren't complete spuds after all. ^-^
re: Jaksch - I think he's too undersized for AFL and needs to bulk up significantly before he'll get a proper run. Really worries me as he's already been in the system for two years.
We knew he needed 6-10kgs when we got him. McKay said thast in an SEN interview over summer. Hence why, he said, he's 3rd tall in defence while he develops, then will be played key forward.
My opinion - Everitt is not a viable option.
Odd to say after he just kicked 3 goals but his tackling, effort, defensive running and pressure is shocking. Wet paper towel would put up more resistance than his tackles. Body language is horrific. Was really shown up today because all of his teammates were so good.
Spot on. Boy he is really weak in some contests. The blokes like Everitt and White that looked okay in a shight side really stand out as poor players when the team is up and running.
Losing Gray helped us win the game no doubt and Hinkley should be praised for looking after the health of his player given the circumstances.....
Agree.
https://twitter.com/DomCassisi
Tweet :"It's only taken 8 years for Gibbs to lay a tackle. Well done." He later apologized.
Wonder if this gives a small insight into how Gibbs is perceived among his peers ?
https://twitter.com/DomCassisi
Tweet :"It's only taken 8 years for Gibbs to lay a tackle. Well done." He later apologized.
Wonder if this gives a small insight into how Gibbs is perceived among his peers ?
He obviously wasn't looking at Gibbs last year.
Be that as it may, I was pleased in that tackle because we have been on the receiving end of that sort of thing in the past and not responded in kind. Yesterday we were tough and hard and Port didn't like it. They reacted in a very negative way, and I loved that. Let the miserable b*ggers over react. I want to see more of this brutal tackling, from Gibbs and all the others. If we get Everitt tackling like this, then I will be happy.
https://twitter.com/DomCassisi
Tweet :"It's only taken 8 years for Gibbs to lay a tackle. Well done." He later apologized.
Wonder if this gives a small insight into how Gibbs is perceived among his peers ?
Cassisi is a wanker!
I think that the effort other clubs put into trying to shut Gibbs down gives a better indication of how he's perceived.
If there is one thing that this game has taught me is that wins in Australia are the best.
Spot on. Boy he is really weak in some contests. The blokes like Everitt and White that looked okay in a shight side really stand out as poor players when the team is up and running.
Everitt kicked three goals.....
You are letting your anti-MM bias get in the way..
Just remember that Cripps was recruited under MM
Everitt has his weaknesses and they will probably be exposed more against the less friendly sides.
But you can't knock is output at the moment he's been in our best.
Cassisi is a wanker!
I think that the effort other clubs put into trying to shut Gibbs down gives a better indication of how he's perceived.
Port have always been poor losers....Chad Cornes anyone.
& the touched contoversy....it was being called touched the whole time, correct decision made.....end of story.
nice to have half a weekend to lookforward to with a smil on my face !
cheers
Mal.
https://twitter.com/DomCassisi
Tweet :"It's only taken 8 years for Gibbs to lay a tackle. Well done." He later apologized.
Wonder if this gives a small insight into how Gibbs is perceived among his peers ?
Let us delight in their despondency and bitterness!
Graham reminds me of Sam Mitchell. I think his career is panning out the same way as Mitchell who began his impact as a 21 year old after consistent efforts in the VFL. Cripps, Bell and Graham are the heir apparents to Judd, Murphy and Gibbs.
I think you'll find that Walsh might be the 4th leg in the quaddie!!
Spot on. Boy he is really weak in some contests. The blokes like Everitt and White that looked okay in a shight side really stand out as poor players when the team is up and running.
wouldnt it be better to work on the weakness? he has upside
baby bathwater - just saying
Everitt kicked three goals.....
You are letting your anti-MM bias get in the way..
Just remember that Cripps was recruited under MM
Actually just calling it how I saw it mate but there you go. The poster that initially posted it, what's their excuse?
@thrunthru
I guess but he's no spring chicken!
Actually just calling it how I saw it mate but there you go. The poster that initially posted it, what's their excuse?
@thrunthru
I guess but he's no spring chicken!
When you called it were you looking through the flames of a burning MM effigy? >:D
When you called it were you looking through the flames of a burning MM effigy? >:D
I threw that out a few weeks ago! :))
I could only listen on radio. When Docherty took that game saving mark in the dying seconds the commentators said it was the only thing he'd done right all day.
Yet some people here have him as one of our best. Comments?
I could only listen on radio. When Docherty took that game saving mark in the dying seconds the commentators said it was the only thing he'd done right all day.
Yet some people here have him as one of our best. Comments?
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I thought he was good with being great, it's the age old thing, every one has an opinion and judge on different aspects of the game. Same was said off Everritt & carrots on one of the threads
I think you'll find that Walsh might be the 4th leg in the quaddie!!
Walsh is another Blue Collar worker and the lad is a good player who I have been pushing up for but we probably need a Pendlebury/Bontempelli type to compliment what we have
coming through. Bell is improving but still a rough diamond, Graham is smart for his size and lack of leg speed but we need a 190cm silky player who can deliver the footy and give
Cripps some support in the creative area especially by foot.
Holman is a tagger and Whiley another coalface player, we just need that one classy tall mid...hence I was keen on Laverde last draft.....I like Greg Clark from WA in this upcoming draft, probably not as gifted as Pendles or the Bont but along those lines in size and poise..
I could only listen on radio. When Docherty took that game saving mark in the dying seconds the commentators said it was the only thing he'd done right all day.
Yet some people here have him as one of our best. Comments?
Docherty also laid a game saving tackle
https://twitter.com/C_Filippo23/status/612183180074876928/photo/1
Wasn't just the tackle but also the chase down that led to the tackle.
Wasn't just the tackle but also the chase down that led to the tackle.
Yeah, Docherty is a gun
Don't know what the commentator on the radio was talking about.
I could only listen on radio. When Docherty took that game saving mark in the dying seconds the commentators said it was the only thing he'd done right all day.
Yet some people here have him as one of our best. Comments?
It confirms one thing, most commentators are full of sh1te and they spend more time perusing, analysing and ravaging the sandwich platter than the game! The are a bunch of PiPs(Past it Pigs) getting fat at the feed trough that is the AFL!
I could only listen on radio. When Docherty took that game saving mark in the dying seconds the commentators said it was the only thing he'd done right all day.
As I stated earlier, how about the tackle just, what, a minute beforehand? Last tackle to have an entire block of Carlton supporters out of their seats like that was dog Brown's.
As I stated earlier, how about the tackle just, what, a minute beforehand? Last tackle to have an entire block of Carlton supporters out of their seats like that was dog Brown's.
Doc was pretty good.
Also set the tone the match with the first act of the day, the ripping of Wingard in the marking contest which caused him to fall awkwardly and a gave away 50m.
I didn't give a screw because it was aggressive and put the flogs on notice.
Our first quarter was full of this stuff and it was great. Wingard and Gray, like the champs they are, responded and played well but the rest of the pumpkins felt the pressure and fumbled and bumbled and gave us 4 first 1/4 goals.
That's what the Hawks do, they tell everyone on the field, with their actions, that every time you touch the ball (and sometimes when you don't) you are gunna get dealt with.
Nice to read the media doing a hatchet job on Gibbs, we must be on the right track!
If it had been Dangerfield doing the tackle it would have been all about how good it was!
And nice to see Port squealing like bitches, not the coach he was quite rational, but the past it hacks and supporters. I suppose things never change, they were always the bleater's of the SANFL as well!
Nice to read the media doing a hatchet job on Gibbs, we must be on the right track!
If it had been Dangerfield doing the tackle it would have been all about how good it was!
And nice to see Port squealing like bitches, not the coach he was quite rational, but the past it hacks and supporters. I suppose things never change, they were always the bleater's of the SANFL as well!
:))
Nice to see some normality returning to the world..........
I could only listen on radio. When Docherty took that game saving mark in the dying seconds the commentators said it was the only thing he'd done right all day.
Yet some people here have him as one of our best. Comments?
Find a different radio station, they don't have a clue
I agree. He didn't have his best day, but he was a long way from bad. He had about 20 disposals and had 3 absolutely crucial interceptions in those in just the last quarter alone. He kept his opponents down quite well, although Chad Wind - bag did manage at least 2 goals on him (about the only possessions he had, but the fact that he kicked 5 goals was crucial and almost lethal). Ask Angus More - frees how he played: he couldn't get a kick against any of our smaller defenders.
Havnt been around for a while cos we've been so crape. But even had we lost yesterday, it's *that* effort and hardness that we supporters want to see week in and week out. Keep dishing this up on a regular basis and watch us supporters flood back to support you!!
20K @ the G is a dismal effort based only on the crap e've been watching up until now. Keep this style of footy up and 50K plus crowds will be a regular gig ;)
I agree. He didn't have his best day, but he was a long way from bad. He had about 20 disposals and had 3 absolutely crucial interceptions in those in just the last quarter alone. He kept his opponents down quite well, although Chad Wind - bag did manage at least 2 goals on him (about the only possessions he had, but the fact that he kicked 5 goals was crucial and almost lethal). Ask Angus More - frees how he played: he couldn't get a kick against any of our smaller defenders.
no, its angus milkfrees..
Speaking of which, loved the fact that Buckley was able to hold his own against a beefed up juiced up Milkfrees on most occasions.
No FTA & no radio in Sydney and ........ we win !!
Can't take a trick ....... :(
All I know after receiving a phone call is that Cripps played a blinder and the whole team played like men possessed.
Have to ask the question again, how much of this is attributable to Malthouse going and how much is it to do with a new game-plan & attitude ??
The other thing is, what has today done for Barker's chance of getting the gig next year ??
New coach = new attitude = happy supporters !!
Nice to know they are going to be competitive every week from now, it was so hard to stomach some of the performances earlier in the season.
The other thing is, some players who would have been considered a strong chance to be shown the door at the end of the season may end up being offered an extension if they keep up this renewed level of application. Its easy to boot guys who are just going through the motions but now, those who are busting their buns week after week deserve to be rewarded for that level of persistence.
Sheik,
You can open afl.com.au and click on the game that you want to listen to and then click on listen live or something like that. You will have a choice of several radio stations streaming the game live to listen from.
BB1.
rapt we won and 71 tackles sensational,to the coaching panel watch the last quarter and look and learn how port played the last quarter ,fitness level, movement of the ball .running,game style i want to see us play .
Hatchet job on Gibbs continuing this am... personally I reckon he should get a week because it was unnecessary but I can remember a juicer from the bummers pile driving Carrotts and he didn't get rubbed out....
Hatchet job on Gibbs continuing this am... personally I reckon he should get a week because it was unnecessary but I can remember a juicer from the bummers pile driving Carrotts and he didn't get rubbed out....
The number of times this has happened to us and no report has occurred makes me more than wonder. A hatchet Job indeed.
What would the write up be if Zeibel laid that tackle?
Apparently The Duck and schwass were defending Gibbs today so there is some balance.
Apparently The Duck and schwass were defending Gibbs today so there is some balance.
If he gets done, the club should appeal. Keep this ground swell of attitude which has sprung up from the players going through all levels of the club.
Usually go to games with friends, they have slowly dropped off over the course of the season, to the point where I went solo on the weekend foe the first time in a while. Refused to not go whilst we were losing.
I am glad that I stuck with it cos it was a great game on Saturday. Only 20 odd K people at the game but atmosphere was amazing. Fans have their swagger back, and are enjoying what this team is putting out. Could not sit down in the last quarter cos I was so on edge, SO I stood in front of the Corporate boxes on Lever P. Was pacing up and down I was that nervous, all the time listening to radio counting down the clock. People in corporate box must have thought I was mad.
The emotion after the siren went was amazing. One of those rare moments in footy.
Bravo boys. Can't believe it. thought they'd have a crack but still go down by 10 goals!!! couldn't get there on Saturday as local club duties so I still haven't seen them win live. Gold Coast at Etihard this week will see me there so I'm hoping they can keep up the intensity.
The number of times this has happened to us and no report has occurred makes me more than wonder. A hatchet Job indeed.
well if true, the club has got to get smarter and use its media power to advantage
If the AFL is serious about the whole "head is sacrosanct" business, then each and every player that lays a tackle like Gibbs must serve time. Perhaps you could argue that in cases like Gibbs, where the head hitting the deck is more likely accidental than not, a reduced suspension is justifiable. Players must understand that to all intents and purposes, the AFL is a modern workplace, and as such a duty of care applies. Players simply must learn to tackle in a way where such incidents don't occur.
It's only taken 8 years for Gibbs to lay a tackle. Well done.
— Dom Cassisi (@DomCassisi) June 20, 2015
If the AFL is serious about the whole "head is sacrosanct" business, then each and every player that lays a tackle like Gibbs must serve time. Perhaps you could argue that in cases like Gibbs, where the head hitting the deck is more likely accidental than not, a reduced suspension is justifiable. Players must understand that to all intents and purposes, the AFL is a modern workplace, and as such a duty of care applies. Players simply must learn to tackle in a way where such incidents don't occur.
Paul, in my past experiences the only way to remove the risk of what happened to Gray is to ban any forceful tackling altogether. If you go in with any kind of forceful impact there will always a danger of the guy being knocked to the ground before he has the chance to brace himself to absorb the impact - that's just the way it is unfortunately. The only way to significantly reduce the risk is to institute some form of standing tackle whereby if the guys forward momentum is stopped he is deemed tackled.
This all needs very careful and thorough and discussion as I think we are in danger of altering the game to the detriment of its spectacle if we rush to react too swiftly to this. All options need to be looked at to protect players from potentially harmful concussion but let's not ruin the game in doing that. Hell, we and the media were only a couple of weeks ago criticising our boys for being too shy in the tackling dept.
Havnt been around for a while cos we've been so crape. But even had we lost yesterday, it's *that* effort and hardness that we supporters want to see week in and week out. Keep dishing this up on a regular basis and watch us supporters flood back to support you!!
20K @ the G is a dismal effort based only on the crap e've been watching up until now. Keep this style of footy up and 50K plus crowds will be a regular gig ;)
The crowd of 27k of which 24K were Carlton supporters against an interstate team is a fair crowd .We will never get 50k at the G for an interstate team unless it is Sydney,Tiggers played West Toast and there were only 43k and West Toast have a much larger supporter base than Port and both teams are playing well .The roar at the end of the game against Port was equal to a 50k crowd .
Paul, in my past experiences the only way to remove the risk of what happened to Gray is to ban any forceful tackling altogether. If you go in with any kind of forceful impact there will always a danger of the guy being knocked to the ground before he has the chance to brace himself to absorb the impact - that's just the way it is unfortunately. The only way to significantly reduce the risk is to institute some form of standing tackle whereby if the guys forward momentum is stopped he is deemed tackled.
This all needs very careful and thorough and discussion as I think we are in danger of altering the game to the detriment of its spectacle if we rush to react too swiftly to this. All options need to be looked at to protect players from potentially harmful concussion but let's not ruin the game in doing that. Hell, we and the media were only a couple of weeks ago criticising our boys for being too shy in the tackling dept.
You make some fair points cookie. It is of course a contact sport, but the contact that does occur,, and the rules and protocols that apply to it, must be seen in an evolutionary context. You can no longer iron someone out, you can no longer drive your shoulders into someone's head with maximum force (see my link to Lethal's article), and so on. We now have both anecdotal and medical evidence that highlights the dangers that comes from excessively forceful contact to the head over a long period of time, and we need to act on it. My enjoyment of the game would not be compromised one iota if the sling tackle was banned. Of course, the implementation of such rules won't be easy, and they won't be to everyone's satisfaction. I see parallels with the spear tackle that was banned in Rugby league many years ago, and rightly so. The RL players have adapted.
I have attached a couple of links, which may only be partially related to the topic at hand, but which I thought were interesting nonetheless.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-legend-leigh-matthews-on-how-he-isnt-proud-of-the-footballer-he-was/story-fni5f22o-1226686834116
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/jude-bolton-believed-concussions-were-a-badge-of-honour-now-hes-leading-awareness-campaign/story-fni5f22o-1227339152556
The link to the Jude Bolton article is blocked by a subscription page. If you do o Google search for "Jude Bolton concussion", one of the links near the top should take you to the article.
Gibbs will probably get suspended, Gray was carted off which was unfortunate and we should not like seeing that, so 1 week is likely with an early plea and good record. However for a longer term team perspective it was a message of physicality that hasn't been shown by Carlton for a long time. For too long we have been punching bags yet on the weekend our tackling was aggressive like it should be. So I think a suspension for Bryce is a cheap price to pay for a strong message. Let's just hope this sort of physicality continues into the future.
A lot of folk were laying into him on twitter after that tweet. One even showed you tube footage of him laying a bad tackle on Murph.
Think he apologised later, probably all the crap he copped had something to do with it
Gibbs will probably get suspended, Gray was carted off which was unfortunate and we should not like seeing that, so 1 week is likely with an early plea and good record. However for a longer term team perspective it was a message of physicality that hasn't been shown by Carlton for a long time. For too long we have been punching bags yet on the weekend our tackling was aggressive like it should be. So I think a suspension for Bryce is a cheap price to pay for a strong message. Let's just hope this sort of physicality continues into the future.
Tough and hard, but fair.
Gibbs suspended for 3 matches, reduced to 2 with an early plea:
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-06-22/bryce-gibbs-offered-twoweek-ban-for-tackle-on-robbie-gray
Reckon we might appeal this.
Sam McClure tweeted straight back to him telling him it was actually his 711th tackle and that he averages 4 a game throughout his career.
Gibbs career tackling stats are actually very similar to Cassissi's.
Gibbs just given two weeks.
Anyone gunna lose sleep over that ;) ;) ;) >:D
3 weeks for laying a tackle, is this netball?
Gibbs just given two weeks.
Anyone gunna lose sleep over that ;) ;) ;) >:D
Only the fact that the most aggressive tackle he ever delivered he gets suspended for.... and it will make him think twice next time.
3 weeks for laying a tackle, is this netball?
He should just have elbowed him in the jaw like Hodge did. Would have got the same result.
Bullcrape decision.
He should just have elbowed him in the jaw like Hodge did. Would have got the same result.
Bullcrape decision.
Spot on. Next time just smack the bloke in the head.
You could argue about whether he should've got 3 or 2, but I think he needed to get something. If it was Gray tackling Gibbs like this, we'd be screaming blue murder.
As long as the AFL applies the same standards for all players, then fine. Not that they have a great track record on this, but we live in hope.
Spot on. Next time just smack the bloke in the head.
They really need to look at intent when applying these decisions. The fact that you can clobber someone and get 3 weeks, yet lay a tackle (within the rules) and get the same is just idiotic.
You could argue about whether he should've got 3 or 2, but I think he needed to get something. If it was Gray tackling Gibbs like this, we'd be screaming blue murder.
As long as the AFL applies the same standards for all players, then fine. Not that they have a great track record on this, but we live in hope.
1 week would have been sufficient
1 week would have been sufficient
I certainly think you could make a reasonable case for 2 weeks, reduced to 1 with a guilty plea.
Just another piece of knee-jerk anti Blues crape from the AFL, stoked up by biased sections of the media - yet again true to form, never expected anything less. >:(
The AFL really are a bl00dy disgrace!
trengrove got 3 weeks for a similar
How many weeks did that juiced up bomber get for the drive tackle on Carrazzo that broke his collarbone?
The umpires didn't lay a report or even pay a free kick!
Outside of a few spuds like Bartlett and Dwayne making a big stink, most thought Gibbs had no case to answer.
Which media types are sitting on the MRP this week?
Hope the AFL is ready to out half of Hawthorns team every week, Joel Selwood and Nat Fyfe cause I've watched them perform the same tackle every week.
Gray was not concussed, according to Ken Hinkley he was kept of for precautionary measures only.
Riccuito was baying for blood before the stretcher was off the field.
How many weeks did that juiced up bomber get for the drive tackle on Carrazzo that broke his collarbone?
From memory, none.
(http://cdndata.bigfooty.com/2015/06/145172_ad5014783c50c7a47ec6f4e9eda4350a.png)
Is that a free arm?
Where did you get that from? He has clearly opted to keep hold of the ball and brace for contact.
From memory, none.
I think it was a rhetorical question Paul. :P
Finally got to watch the whole game.
Great improved effort from the team, with the tackling in particular quite fierce. Tended to get their bodies engaged more in tackles rather than just grasping with their arms.
Best players for me were Murphy, Cripps, Bell and Rowe. Other good contributions from Gibbs, Docherty, Buckley, Henderson, Casboult, Everitt, Graham and Yarren. Quite a few players drifted in and oht of the games, but the best players stuck at it the whole game.
We still had 100+ points kicked against us, when Schultz and westhoff had poor games, suggesting our defence still needs alot of work. But good run and carry out of half back and a preference for finding targets in the middle rather than thumping it along the lines.
In two minds about the Gibbs tackle, but the means of determining such incidents is a mess by the AFL. No proper tribunal would use the effect on the player as a primary determinant of a penalty. Did he break the rules? If the answer is no then he has no case to answer. 3 weeks is excessive for an act that was within the rules, and was without intent. Appropriate would be a few points to carry over as a warning to take a little more care. Club should appeal immediately.
Come on blues, season is gone. Challenge this, we're talking about a game against Richmond at risk. Let the players know their club is behind them >:D >:D >:D
I think it was a rhetorical question Paul. :P
I know it was. My answer was for those that may not have remembered.
Here's an article from 2011 discussing the same thing :
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-tackles-sling-rule-20110705-1h0rq.html
If we don't appeal this one we haven't come very far over the past three weeks.
@Viv, I believe that if there are 2 actions to the tackle then it is considered reckless.
Gibbs just given two weeks.
Anyone gunna lose sleep over that ;) ;) ;) >:D
Thing is, given every other player had lifted their game, run and tackled with intensity, if Gibbs does similar we have him back to last year when he was B & F. Now Mick has gone we are seeing we need to think of most players differently.
Appeal it...nothing to lose.
It will highlight it further and set a standard that other incidents will be compared to.
What was good about the tackle was that at the time it seemed to spur other players into hitting the opposition with equal aggression.
Finally got to watch the whole game.
Great improved effort from the team, with the tackling in particular quite fierce. Tended to get their bodies engaged more in tackles rather than just grasping with their arms.
Best players for me were Murphy, Cripps, Bell and Rowe. Other good contributions from Gibbs, Docherty, Buckley, Henderson, Casboult, Everitt, Graham and Yarren. Quite a few players drifted in and oht of the games, but the best players stuck at it the whole game.
We still had 100+ points kicked against us, when Schultz and westhoff had poor games, suggesting our defence still needs alot of work. But good run and carry out of half back and a preference for finding targets in the middle rather than thumping it along the lines.
In two minds about the Gibbs tackle, but the means of determining such incidents is a mess by the AFL. No proper tribunal would use the effect on the player as a primary determinant of a penalty. Did he break the rules? If the answer is no then he has no case to answer. 3 weeks is excessive for an act that was within the rules, and was without intent. Appropriate would be a few points to carry over as a warning to take a little more care. Club should appeal immediately.
The official line from the MRP is that the tackle involved careless conduct and high impact to the head, both of which in my view are correct. Whether this justifies a 3 match ban is causing some serious debate, which as is usually the case, will be short lived and not lead to anything, as we move onto the next thing. As I posted earlier, the sling tackle was discussed in 2011, and then seems to have disappeared until now.
The official line from the MRP is that the tackle involved careless conduct and high impact to the head, both of which in my view are correct.
So players have to be careful when they are tackling now? Tackle with intent by all means but do it with care? This is absolutely ridiculous. The bloke wasn't even concussed FFS. If we don't challenge this we are still a very weak football club. Might I add, if there is no intent to injure in the tackle then how can a player be suspended??
@Viv, I believe that if there are 2 actions to the tackle then it is considered reckless.
Yes, the MRP guidelines do use a two action criteria to determine a reckless tackle. The difficulty is that it the issue of rough conduct can be applied in a great many situations, and as a consequence the injury sustained, or not becomes the primary determinant, in that rough conduct is not a clearly identifiable action compared to stricking or kicking.
It's a grey area and one that is difficult to deal with to the satisfaction of all. The 3 match penalty is hard to justify for an action that is so closely entwined with a legal tackle, unlike an isolated strike.
I'm with PaulP on this one.
So players have to be careful when they are tackling now? Tackle with intent by all means but do it with care? This is absolutely ridiculous. The bloke wasn't even concussed FFS. If we don't challenge this we are still a very weak football club.
The players are bound by contracts, rules, codes of conduct etc. Implicit in all of these would be an element of care. Tackling within the rules would hopefully involve an element of care. It's an area that the AFL seems very tardy in addressing.
As an example - If you have players lying on the ground, you will see other players walk around them, leap over them etc. Of course some players might give them a bit of a nudge. The players on the ground are not treated as part of the turf, with an army of other players stomping on them left right and center. Then people will say, "so players have to be careful where they walk now ?"
It's a ridiculous example, but hopefully it gets my point across.
But I really don't see how players are expected to tackle hard but carefully. First the bump and now the tackle. The AFL have to draw a line here. They are far too reactive. This is a physical game there will always be incidental contact and injury. As it was this bloke wasn't even injured.
The players are bound by contracts, rules, codes of conduct etc. Implicit in all of these would be an element of care. Tackling within the rules would hopefully involve an element of care. It's an area that the AFL seems very tardy in addressing.
As an example - If you have players lying on the ground, you will see other players walk around them, leap over them etc. Of course some players might give them a bit of a nudge. The players on the ground are not treated as part of the turf, with an army of other players stomping on them left right and center. Then people will say, "so players have to be careful where they walk now ?"
It's a ridiculous example, but hopefully it gets my point across.
I agree with this argument, and the tackling one has been awfully difficult to deal with. The difficulty with rough conduct as a rule is that it requires more in terms of judgement to determine a penalty, than that afforded by the current MRP arrangements. Much of what has been formulated by the MRP has worked, in that it has put in place a prescribed matrix of criteria to determine sanctions. This works well in clearly identifiable instances where a reportable offence has occured, and has been a good result for the game.
But 'rough conduct' requires a greater level of judgement and discretion than what can be provided by the MRP guidelines. It might be better to get such cases to the tribunal itself and have it determined there. This of course creates more problems, and requires the use of precedent, which is not the case now.
Or as you suggest, gibbs will cop it and we will all move on pretty quickly.
But I really don't see how players are expected to tackle hard but carefully. First the bump and now the tackle. The AFL have to draw a line here. They are far too reactive. This is a physical game there will always be incidental contact and injury. As it was this bloke wasn't even injured.
It's possibly a multi step process, but the first step would be to ban sling tackles. If you've got the guy completely wrapped up like Gibbs did, there's no need to sling him down. I think this game has numerous examples of tackles that were hard, but fair. Now, you can get semantic and substitute the word "far" for "careful". I think the inconsistency from one MRP ruling to the next is causing a lot of issues.
I agree with this argument, and the tackling one has been awfully difficult to deal with. The difficulty with rough conduct as a rule is that it requires more in terms of judgement to determine a penalty, than that afforded by the current MRP arrangements. Much of what has been formulated by the MRP has worked, in that it has put in place a prescribed matrix of criteria to determine sanctions. This works well in clearly identifiable instances where a reportable offence has occured, and has been a good result for the game.
But 'rough conduct' requires a greater level of judgement and discretion than what can be provided by the MRP guidelines. It might be better to get such cases to the tribunal itself and have it determined there. This of course creates more problems, and requires the use of precedent, which is not the case now.
Or as you suggest, gibbs will cop it and we will all move on pretty quickly.
Yes, you make some valid points. I think the confusion that we all feel with "correct" or "fair" tackling is that it is a complex issue. Players can be tackled from all different directions, they can be tackled high or low, they can be tackled stationery or moving, they can be tackled by more than one player etc.
It's possibly a multi step process, but the first step would be to ban sling tackles. If you've got the guy completely wrapped up like Gibbs did, there's no need to sling him down. I think this game has numerous examples of tackles that were hard, but fair. Now, you can get semantic and substitute the word "far" for "careful". I think the inconsistency from one MRP ruling to the next is causing a lot of issues.
As far as I recall P, there was no slinging action at all in the Gibbs tackle. He had Gray well wrapped up yes but went to ground with him. No sling at all. What are we saying now, that your not allowed to go to ground if you've got a bloke wrapped up?
It's beyond farcical cookie.
As far as I recall P, there was no slinging action at all in the Gibbs tackle. He had Gray well wrapped up yes but went to ground with him. No sling at all. What are we saying now, that your not allowed to go to ground if you've got a bloke wrapped up?
I don't usually disagree with you cookie, but this time I must. I have watched the replay several times, and to me, if you watch Gibbs' head, back and the position of his legs, it definitely looks like he wants to get him to ground. If you watch Gibbs left leg, it tenses up as if he's getting ready to throw him down. At least that's how I see it.
It's beyond farcical cookie.
That's the way I see it as well mate! I am pi55ed orf in fact.
I don't usually disagree with you cookie, but this time I must. I have watched the replay several times, and to me, if you watch Gibbs' head, back and the position of his legs, it definitely looks like he wants to get him to ground. If you watch Gibbs left leg, it tenses up as if he's getting ready to throw him down. At least that's how I see it.
We'll have to agree to differ on this mate.
We'll have to agree to differ on this mate.
I think so cookie.
As far as I recall P, there was no slinging action at all in the Gibbs tackle. He had Gray well wrapped up yes but went to ground with him. No sling at all. What are we saying now, that your not allowed to go to ground if you've got a bloke wrapped up?
But, (if I may) the sling tackle describes a style of tackle that has flung the tackled player into the turf face down. Banning such a tackle would be close to impossible, but rough conduct is a catch all offence that is in place to cope with such instances that arise in a contact sport.
Players do, according to the rules, have a duty of care to their fellow players, and it was, in the view of the MRP, rough conduct (the tackle) that was deemed careless and resulted in head high contact. Hence, 3 weeks with an offer of 2 with an early plea according to the matrix.
The result makes sense, but determing rough conduct can be tricky. The AFL have decided to err on the side of caution here and try to lessen the liklihood of such tackles being applied. It has also been helped by the recent holding the ball shift, whereby players are incentivised to dispose of the ball quicker, and lessen the chance of arms being trapped.
Call Gibbs a sacrificial lamb if you will, but a player got knocked out when his head crunched into the ground. The game is dangerous enough and tackling needs to be kept in check lest it become rugby league but played in 360 degrees. Personally i think 3 weeks is overs as it lacked intent, but im struggling to come up with a better arrangement than what is currently in place with the MRP.
Call Gibbs a sacrificial lamb if you will, but a player got knocked out when his head crunched into the ground. The game is dangerous enough and tackling needs to be kept in check lest it become rugby league but played in 360 degrees.
This is the exact kind of reactive attitude I'm talking about. It's footy, players will get hurt. Just because a player gets hurt, does not mean someone needs to be suspended. Unfortunately this is how the AFL deals with it.
One final post from me on this, and I'm done. The issue behind all this discussion ?
http://www.smh.com.au/comment/concussion-a-concern-from-elite-to-schools-20130227-2f6c2.html#comments
The way they are trained to tackle - pin arms and rotate to side - is to prevent them getting the ball away or giving away a free for in the back... so the side roll is a consequence of the rules. The smaller players tend to tackle more like this from what I have seen.
I have no dramas Gibbs getting a penalty... as long as everybody else who performs a similar slinging action in a tackle is penalised similarly. And I mean everybody... even blokes from Sydney and the whorks.
One final post from me on this, and I'm done. The issue behind all this discussion ?
http://www.smh.com.au/comment/concussion-a-concern-from-elite-to-schools-20130227-2f6c2.html#comments
Well we may as well ban the game altogether because tackling is not the main issue when it comes to concussion.
As far as I recall P, there was no slinging action at all in the Gibbs tackle. He had Gray well wrapped up yes but went to ground with him. No sling at all. What are we saying now, that your not allowed to go to ground if you've got a bloke wrapped up?
I thought it was two movements..tackles then sling but it wasnt malicious...reprimand or one week max....if we appeal he will get three IMO.
Gray not being able to come back on probably sealed Gibbs fate and the 2 week ban...
I think he had to be suspended... 1 week for mine.
I don't doubt that he hit the ground hard, but Port took a very cautious approach to sub him off. He passed a concussion test. Not saying that is wrong, but If he comes back on the ground then Gibbs doesn't get suspended.
It's a fine line.
Finally got to watch the whole game.
Great improved effort from the team, with the tackling in particular quite fierce. Tended to get their bodies engaged more in tackles rather than just grasping with their arms.
Best players for me were Murphy, Cripps, Bell and Rowe. Other good contributions from Gibbs, Docherty, Buckley, Henderson, Casboult, Everitt, Graham and Yarren. Quite a few players drifted in and oht of the games, but the best players stuck at it the whole game.
We still had 100+ points kicked against us, when Schultz and westhoff had poor games, suggesting our defence still needs alot of work. But good run and carry out of half back and a preference for finding targets in the middle rather than thumping it along the lines.
Depends on how the game is played too. We had 100pts kicked against us in the '99 Preliminary final too.
Did anyone notice when our key forwards kicked goals on the weekend, they gave each other high fives with only their index fingers, Hendo, Everitt, Menzel Levi. It was so obvious in the first half of the game. ;)
Did anyone notice when our key forwards kicked goals on the weekend, they gave each other high fives with only their index fingers, Hendo, Everitt, Menzel Levi. It was so obvious in the first half of the game. ;)
Everitt was asked about it in an after game interview. He said that he is a germophobe and doesn't want the skin contact of a high five. He then said it was just a bit of fun ::)
Perhaps it's just an expression of the freedom the players now feel.
I thought it was two movements..tackles then sling but it wasnt malicious...reprimand or one week max....if we appeal he will get three IMO.
Gray not being able to come back on probably sealed Gibbs fate and the 2 week ban...
Just had several more looks at this. OK, there was a very slight hint of two movements, rather than a single smooth descent. However, I too think it was certainly not malicious and did not deserve the penalty it received. Still can't escape the feeling of us being singled out every time and I'm still feeling pi55ed off.
Did anyone notice when our key forwards kicked goals on the weekend, they gave each other high fives with only their index fingers, Hendo, Everitt, Menzel Levi. It was so obvious in the first half of the game. ;)
they did this last week too.
Regarding the tackle, I have this to say.
If the outcome of the action dictates the validity with the action then the game is in strife.
If Gray hadn't hit his head no one would care.
Therefore it's an indictment on the game to suspend Gibbs.
Just saw some tackling highlights on Footy Classified. Gets the blood pumping but loved how nearly every player went on with it after the tackle with a push or a shove.
Just saw some tackling highlights on Footy Classified. Gets the blood pumping but loved how nearly every player went on with it after the tackle with a push or a shove.
Not to mention the dropping of opponents with shepherds & body hits as Port players kicked the ball.......we were goddamn brutal & I loved it - I think Tom Bell did too, as he appeared to have great delight in unmercifully dumping every Port player he tackled.....
they did this last week too.
Regarding the tackle, I have this to say.
If the outcome of the action dictates the validity with the action then the game is in strife.
If Gray hadn't hit his head no one would care.
Therefore it's an indictment on the game to suspend Gibbs.
I mentioned this issue earlier; that rough conduct due to its nature is more subject to being assessed by the severity of the act than other offences. The MRP system leads to this, but im not certain the previous tribunal system was better. Each had their pros and cons. The current system leaves little room for discretionary judgement in determining penalties. More discretion may result in more inconsistencies though.
The game is in greater strife if players get seriously injured in the head, and the nature of the professional game increases the chances of this. Despite the nostalgia for supposed greater toughness in years gone by, the players are much faster and stronger than they were 20 years or more ago. Skulls have not got any thicker in this time, and more information is emerging on the damage such blows can inflict. The game is not and is not getting 'soft' by any stretch.
I agree that if Gray had stood up after the tackle then we would not be debating this, but the arrangements are in place because of a precautionary principle.
Another interpretation of this is that Gibbs and Gray were fortunate that the latter was not badly hurt, and that a three week penalty aint much. A rugby player in Queensland died on the weekend from head injuries sustained in a tackle.
You're missing his point Viv. You can't be suspending players according to whether the opponent is injured or not. It' either a suspension or it's not, injury should not have a bearing on the decision.
You're missing his point Viv. You can't be suspending players according to whether the opponent is injured or not. It' either a suspension or it's not, injury should not have a bearing on the decision.
I agree with that Carrots, it's either an offence or it's not.
But the MRP do take the injury into account. Unfortunately.
Exactly. If Gibbs goes then any tackle like his must be dealt with in a similar fashion regardless of injury. And going by that we are going to have a lot of players suspended for thee weeks at a time.
Carey was ropeable & absolutely scathing of the suspension on Talking Footy last night, it was great.....Watson, the AFL golden child, wouldn't dare speak out against anything they do & Darcey the "yes" man, sat on the fence as usual !
Got a bit of time for Carey as a media commentator, love or hate him in playing days, he says exactly what he thinks with no chocolate coating to make it easier for the AFL to swallow.
I agree with that Carrots, it's either an offence or it's not.
But the MRP do take the injury into account. Unfortunately.
The irony of this situation is that this season a couple of players have been tackled in the same manor and ended up with concussion from hitting their head on their own team-mates in the process. If I recall one hit his head on a hip, the other hit his head on a knee. In those incidents none of the tacklers were reported or suspended and the MRP described it as an accident!
Secondly, the AFL has caused this situation by having that stupid 360 degree interpretation of the holding the ball. The AFL encourages tacklers to turn the tackled player through 360 degrees.
If Carlton appeal then Gibbs has a very good chance of getting off!
Just saw some tackling highlights on Footy Classified. Gets the blood pumping but loved how nearly every player went on with it after the tackle with a push or a shove.
That was pretty noticeable
Watch what happens here....they'll clamp down on it next time and it will be a free kick against us.
That was pretty noticeable
Watch what happens here....they'll clamp down on it next time and it will be a free kick against us.
I written in neon isn't it Lods?
Anyway, the more the press complain about us the closer they help us get to a top draft pick again!
I written in neon isn't it Lods?
Anyway, the more the press complain about us the closer they help us get to a top draft pick again!
Yep, they want to keep their foot on our throat for sure.
another example of a Carlton player being made an example of! This "rough conduct" is so highly open to interpretation. For example…….anyone remember the opening minute of the season?
Kam McIntosh drove Daisy into the turf and dislocated his shoulder, literally ruining his entire season. (Ball was gone, Gray still had a hold of it at least). No penalties there. Do you need to be carried off on a stretcher before the mrp step in? You could say “that’s part of footy” but Gibbs is rubbed out for two while McIntosh plays on…….
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The best username award is a no contest for this year ;D
another example of a Carlton player being made an example of! This "rough conduct" is so highly open to interpretation. For example…….anyone remember the opening minute of the season?
Kam McIntosh drove Daisy into the turf and dislocated his shoulder, literally ruining his entire season. (Ball was gone, Gray still had a hold of it at least). No penalties there. Do you need to be carried off on a stretcher before the mrp step in? You could say “that’s part of footy” but Gibbs is rubbed out for two while McIntosh plays on…….
If Daisy hadn't thrown his arms out appealing for the free kick his shoulder wouldn't have been popped out in the first place.
I have no problem with Gibbs getting rubbed out, but the AFL must be consistent.I wait to see when Dangerfield or Slone bulldogs a guy into the ground and if Riccuito cries foul as much as he did with the Gibbs one.
So the question I want answered is .... is Gibbs being penalised for a sling tackle or for hurting a player in a tackle?
If for a sling tackle, why do we see these all the time yet they are not penalised?
If for hurting an opponent, why wasn't the bloke who slung Thomas in round one suspended?
Carey was ropeable & absolutely scathing of the suspension on Talking Footy last night, it was great.....Watson, the AFL golden child, wouldn't dare speak out against anything they do & Darcey the "yes" man, sat on the fence as usual !
Got a bit of time for Carey as a media commentator, love or hate him in playing days, he says exactly what he thinks with no chocolate coating to make it easier for the AFL to swallow.
I love Carey as a commentator. Knows what he's talking about and tells things as they are without fear or favour OR agenda as far as I can tell. We need more like him IMO. I actually trust what he's saying.
The first time in years we get the rub of the green with the umpires and they come out and say they got too many wrong.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-umpiring-coach-hayden-kennedy-counts-too-many-errors-in-port-adelaide-carlton-game/story-fni5f9de-1227408818706
The rest of the football world really don't like us do they?
Fair enough... if they want to be "unsociable" let's give them "unsociable". ;D
...and let's (as a club) rant about everything we regard as wrong.
Being nice hasn't worked out for us.
You're missing his point Viv. You can't be suspending players according to whether the opponent is injured or not. It' either a suspension or it's not, injury should not have a bearing on the decision.
Perhaps read what i have posted again.
The system in place results in a rough conduct charge being triggered because of an injury being sustained. It's a catch all offence. Of course the consequence of an action has a bearing on the penalty, it always has influenced the duration of a suspension. It is just much more so in the case of rough conduct, hence all the angst.
I dont like the end result of 2 weeks for Gibbs, but it is result of the system in place and it is attempting to serve a broader purpose.
Perhaps read what i have posted again.
The system in place results in a rough conduct charge being triggered because of an injury being sustained. It's a catch all offence. Of course the consequence of an action has a bearing on the penalty, it always has influenced the duration of a suspension. It is just much more so in the case of rough conduct, hence all the angst.
I dont like the end result of 2 weeks for Gibbs, but it is result of the system in place and it is attempting to serve a broader purpose.
He hasn't been charged with rough conduct though has he? He's been charged with careless conduct. And the system is awful. Where there is no intent proven the consequence should not come into the equation.
And in typical, weak, bend over Carlton fashion, we are not contesting the decision. Fking WAP Carlton, not like we are in finals contention, he already misses two anyway, we simply had to contest that ruling.
He hasn't been charged with rough conduct though has he? He's been charged with careless conduct. And the system is awful. Where there is no intent proven the consequence should not come into the equation.
Charged with rough conduct that was classified as careless, with high inpact to the head. The matrix makes it 3 weeks with 2 for an early plea.
I agree that the system does not cope well with this sort of incident, as there is not room for what i believe is a need for greater discretion. It is a flaw in the MRP system. But providing for greater discretion would erode the system's more predictable elements and we would be back to the old tribunal system.
All the commentators were calling that he had 'concussion' yet he passed the concussion test straight away. Craig Hutchison even had the temerity to say that Barker was building a case to save Gibbs! Hutchison was doing the absolute opposite - in the meanest, hard-nosed way. What a pile of shlte!
I reluctantly agree with the decision not to appeal. However, we should be making our displeasure known to the AFL, pointing out the inconsistencies with the treatment of similar tackles, and demanding changes to the MRP process.
This is where a good president would be on the front foot with a carefully worded statement making it very clear that we're not happy.
The rest of the football world really don't like us do they?
Fair enough... if they want to be "unsociable" let's give them "unsociable". ;D
...and let's (as a club) rant about everything we regard as wrong.
Being nice hasn't worked out for us.
It's a deal Lods, we are getting the stick from every direction so as far as I am concerned we have the right to do something about it! We are not going to make the finals, lets take a few out along the way!
Not sure if the mods would consider a separate "tackling / concussion" thread, but anyway.................
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-players-union-warns-against-sling-tackles-20150624-ghwn5a.html