This game is listed to start at 10:15, so the seniors can start at 1:45.
Having a Curtain raiser is a great idea. Now, if only we could win....
Some great news: Bailey Rice is this week's 23rd man! Yes, you heard it right. Dean Rice's son will be playing in our colours this Saturday against the Evil Minions. He'll probably get more kicks than half of the other players in his colours.
By the way, the game will be telecast on delay on Channel 7.
Does that mean we are winning the 'Race for Rice'?
Cool 8)
Does that mean we are winning the 'Race for Rice'?
I think it means in the Race for Rice the Saints are cooked.
I think that young Rice has always been more inclined to the navy blue. Hopefully Dean has told his young fellow that there's a brighter future with us. We just need SOS and McKay to sort out the father/son drafting and we should have a couple of promising young blokes on our list.
I think it means in the Race for Rice the Saints are cooked.
Fried or Steamed?
Fried or Steamed?
I'd say baked ;D
I'd say baked ;D
The old man was always" special fried"...according to Rex Hunt
The old man was always" special fried"...according to Rex Hunt
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Number 23 on the CFC Menu!
Under the new system what will it cost if we try to f/s both rice and silvagni?
Under the new system what will it cost if we try to f/s both rice and silvagni?
That will depend on how other clubs rate them. The new points system provides a number of points for each pick on the draft list. If one opposition club rates a player at a certain pick and is willing to put their money where their mouth is (as they could be left with their bid, having a player who does not want to play for them), then the F/S club has to match that number of points (with a discount for being F/S). That is complicated, because it is. It will depend on where opposition clubs rate Silvagni and Rice.
St. Kilda will want to rate Rice highly, to put us off. But, of course, it does run both ways.
Collingwood vs. Northern Blues
Saturday, Aug 08
MCG at 10.16am
Collingwood
B: Goldsack Oxley Goodyear
HB: Manteit R. Pendlebury Taylor
C: Armstrong Kennedy Young
HF: Gault Cox White
F: Close Karnezis Dwyer
R: Witts Moloney Seedsman
Int: Blair Monkhorst Hellier Borthwick Wallin Mennen* J. Williams Gray Matheson
Northern Blues
B: Kilpatrick Jaksch Viojo
HB: Dick Fields Yarran
C: Tutt Walsh Walton
HF: Johnson Jones Wilson
F: Ellard Watson Menzel
R: Aurrichio Whiley Ballard
Int: Rice* Soncin McDonagh Strachan J. Roberts Armitage J. Gleeson Cattapan Murray
Whiley?
You would have to think that we'd be pretty long odds to win this one. They appear to have a lot more listed players, better form and more experience.
We have Rice. ;D ;D ;D
They look stronger around the ball as well, especially in the ruck.
Collingwood vs. Northern Blues
Saturday, Aug 08
MCG at 10.16am
Collingwood
B: Goldsack Oxley Goodyear
HB: Manteit R. Pendlebury Taylor
C: Armstrong Kennedy Young
HF: Gault Cox White
F: Close Karnezis Dwyer
R: Witts Moloney Seedsman
Int: Blair Monkhorst Hellier Borthwick Wallin Mennen* J. Williams Gray Matheson
Northern Blues
B: Kilpatrick Jaksch Viojo
HB: Dick Fields Yarran
C: Tutt Walsh Walton
HF: Johnson Jones Wilson
F: Ellard Watson Menzel
R: Aurrichio Whiley Ballard
Int: Rice* Soncin McDonagh Strachan J. Roberts Armitage J. Gleeson Cattapan Murray
Whiley?
You would have to think that we'd be pretty long odds to win this one. They appear to have a lot more listed players, better form and more experience.
We have Rice. ;D ;D ;D
They look stronger around the ball as well, especially in the ruck.
We will get belted, Witts will have a picnic and I reckon Jesse White will bully beat up on our kids....
Will be so good to have a 'Special Fried' and 'SOS' back in the side in the next few years.
Will be interesting EB to see who tries... I reckon we could just about name the best right now and we'd get most of 'em right.
Shift Watson to defense and let White beat up somebody his own size, seriously, he can't be any faster than Watson can he?
Gees it would nice to have some quality senior types at the NBs to guide the kids... our development is a deadest joke.
Good luck to Aurrichio, going to be a long day for him.......the Pies Witts and Cox are around 7ft nearly, then they have Gault also to throw in the ruck....need some rain and the ball on the deck more...
It's bad luck we can't get Korcheck out there and give him instructions to get physical with the opposition.
Will be interesting EB to see who tries... I reckon we could just about name the best right now and we'd get most of 'em right.
Shift Watson to defense and let White beat up somebody his own size, seriously, he can't be any faster than Watson can he?
Gees it would nice to have some quality senior types at the NBs to guide the kids... our development is a deadest joke.
Alas, Prof, White actually does have real pace. His issues are between his ears. Watson would be left in his wake.
But I agree totally with your last point: we need some experienced heads out there to guide our kids. Back in the day we had that, and our kids prospered. Now we have kids who barely know what they are doing trying to provide leadership and not knowing what it is about.
We made an extremely good decision to recruit McGuinness as an assistant coach and player for the NBs this year. It is a pity that he is injured, but he was the sort of guy we needed back there. A couple more guys like that who care and who have the ability to guide our kids is exactly what we need. Not some showboat who is after the money and who doesn't put in: the old Bullants had guys like that when the alignment started. We need hard, resilient heads who can show our kids what they must do.
Sorry guys, I'm not feeling the love for young Rice... One game with our mob should reinforce that the saints have a bright future ????
...I do hope I'm wrong !! ????
Will be interesting EB to see who tries... I reckon we could just about name the best right now and we'd get most of 'em right.
Shift Watson to defense and let White beat up somebody his own size, seriously, he can't be any faster than Watson can he?
Gees it would nice to have some quality senior types at the NBs to guide the kids... our development is a deadest joke.
We only have 28 to pick from apparently for the senior side, so i guessing you won't see much in the NBs.
We only have 28 to pick from apparently for the senior side, so i guessing you won't see much in the NBs.
There are 12 AFL listed players in the NBs (although Whiley is also named in the Carlton side). Still, only 33 to choose from limits our options.
As others have suggested, we have let too many experienced players depart the NBs.
There are 12 AFL listed players in the NBs (although Whiley is also named in the Carlton side). Still, only 33 to choose from limits our options.
As others have suggested, we have let too many experienced players depart the NBs.
We will be making this exact argument about our AFL seniors in 2-3 years.
10 goal loss
Jones played defense.
Yarran gave little. Menzel tried. Theres nothing else to comment on.
Wow sad to hear that , nothing to bring up from the 2's
How did Rice go?
How did Rice go?
FULL TIME: Collingwood 21.10.136, Northern Blues 10.8.68
From the Northern Blue twitter feed
Cristian Filippo @C_Filippo23 2h2 hours ago
Potential @CarltonFC father-son pick Bailey Rice collected 12 disposals in his VFL debut for @NBluesFC. Looks a likely, composed type.
GOALS: Watson 2, Johnson, Menzel, Jaksch, Wilson, Murray, Walton, Viojo-Rainbow, Armitage
2015 Peter Jackson VFL
Collingwood 7.0 11.3 18.7 21.10 (136)
Northern Blues 2.5 4.6 7.7 10.8 (68)
GOALS:
Collingwood: White 4 Karnezis 3 Williams 2 Cox 2 Gray 2 Seedsman 2 Hellier Moloney Blair Matheson Taylor Witts
Northern Blues: Watson 2 Jaksch Armitage Murray Wilson Walton Johnson Menzel Viojo
BEST:
Collingwood: Kennedy White Karnezis Taylor Williams Witts
Northern Blues: Strachan Cattapan Dick Menzel Walsh Murray
Our 'best players' tells a tale and it isn't a good one. It is good to see Strachan and Cattapan mentioned as our best, but they are a long way from superstars. That suggests that not much was produced by the guys who needed to produce, like Yarran, Jaksch, Watson and Tutt (to mention a few).
It was always going to be hard when they were clear winners in the ruck department and they did have more talent on the field. However, you do expect more.
How did Rice go?
Considering how much pressure our defence was under all day, you would have to say that Rice did pretty well. He gathered 12 possessions, mostly handballs, and kept his small forward quiet. He probably didn't know everyone's name either.
The thing you notice about him is that he has real poise and good decision making, something terribly lacking in the seniors at the moment. He also has a much bigger body than many smalls, and it isn't pork. that will also hold him in good stead.
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The stats do tell an interesting tale, and not a pleasant one. 7 of the top 8 ranked players were Collingwood players (although the rankings are questionable). We won less than half the taps that Collingwood did and our disposal efficiency was poor. We simply needed more talent out there.
We matched them with tackles and kept a lot of their players quiet. But we turned the ball over too easily and were slain on the rebound.
Sounds familiar?
Matt Dick: Did very well in the first half but was less conspicuous after half time. He looked good enough to give him a go instead of Smith. 23 possessions.
Matthew Watson:
I don’t see how Watson has not been able to get a game when Jones has got games, to be honest. He has his issues: pace, being the most obvious. But he actually has been taking some reasonable marks and he does lead. He managed 13 possessions and usually did something with them. He also spent time in the ruck to spell Auricchio. Not our worst by a long shot.
Brad Walsh: Very quiet early in the game, but got into it more after half time. Of the kids left in the NB’s, he looks to have value.
Troy Menzel: Played mostly in the midfield and did a decent job, especially in the first half. I’d still play him in the NB’s next week, but he responded well to being dropped.
He is not 100%. He can’t be. His tank let him down, as it has all season.
Blaine Johnson: 13 possessions was just not enough. Didn’t look dangerous enough.
Dillon Viojo-Rainbow: Pretty reasonable after half time, but I don’t think he got a possession in the first half. I am really worried about him.
David Ellard: Had a very quiet game for him at this level. He really didn’t do much and looked proppy.
Chris Yarran: He didn’t have the intensity required and his skills were just not on show. 11 possessions, after spending time both forward and back, wasn’t enough for a player as good as he is. We really need to get into his head, as this was just unacceptable for a guy like him.
Kristian Jaksch: Did a good negative job, but provided little drive from defence and didn’t do much when moved forward. Probably his least effective effort in some time. However, he did keep his opponents very quiet.
For mine, he goes to ground too easily.
Liam Jones: Spent time in defence and did a reasonable job, but gave no drive at all and fell over too often. Maybe he will make a defender, and maybe the horse will learn how to sing.
Dillon Viojo-Rainbow: Pretty reasonable after half time, but I don’t think he got a possession in the first half. I am really worried about him.
Liam Jones: Spent time in defence and did a reasonable job, but gave no drive at all and fell over too often. Maybe he will make a defender, and maybe the horse will learn how to sing.
First sign of hope I have seen from Viojo to suggest there might be a pot of gold to be found sometime in the future.
Maybe there will be a singing horse. The closing speed that Jones showed to spoil leading opponents was reminiscent of Jamo when he still had closing speed. Big, strong, fast, not afraid of a physical contest, lacking the tank to play elsewhere - could actually make it as a full back if given a chance to learn an unfamiliar position. Has better physical attributes than Jaksch.
Jones...8 possies and no tackles in a team that was pumped and the ball was down his end most of the game.....he is a dud with zero nous and you cant teach nous....
Walsh, Dick, and Menzel aside there wasnt much joy in the NB's this week....Yarran couldnt be bothered and Jaksch looks a shadow of the player that towelled up Henderson when playing for GWS...
RiverRat. I have been banging on for some time about teaching Jones to be a defender. At least we may get some return from him in the squad. Jamo won't last forever. Jones doesn't know how to play as a forward. It isn't in his DNA. How Mick saw something in this guy is beyond me.
PUT JONES DOWN BACK in our senior side, and LEAVE HIM THERE to learn how to be an AFL footballer. Pleeeesa FFS.
RiverRat. I have been banging on for some time about teaching Jones to be a defender. At least we may get some return from him in the squad. Jamo won't last forever. Jones doesn't know how to play as a forward. It isn't in his DNA. How Mick saw something in this guy is beyond me.
PUT JONES DOWN BACK in our senior side, and LEAVE HIM THERE to learn how to be an AFL footballer. Pleeeesa FFS.
If we don't do that then the investment in him will be a complete write-off, so we have to give it a try.
RiverRat. I have been banging on for some time about teaching Jones to be a defender. At least we may get some return from him in the squad. Jamo won't last forever. Jones doesn't know how to play as a forward. It isn't in his DNA. How Mick saw something in this guy is beyond me.
PUT JONES DOWN BACK in our senior side, and LEAVE HIM THERE to learn how to be an AFL footballer. Pleeeesa FFS.
Unfortunately, you have to be able to play a bit to be an AFL defender or forward and Jones just isn't up to it. He could play as a forward, defender or even in the midfield for years and still not improve.
The Bulldogs learnt that he wasn't an AFL footballer and the other 16 clubs wouldn't touch him with a barge pole. Adding Jones to our list is one of the most inexplicable list management decisions we have made this century.
Jones...8 possies and no tackles in a team that was pumped and the ball was down his end most of the game.....he is a dud with zero nous and you cant teach nous....
On the other hand - you can't teach the physical attributes that Jones has - just look at Watson.
Jamo is already on the down side of his career and has lost his great closing speed. Most others don't have it and are not likely to - Paul Bower was probably the last tall defender that we had who had great closing speed.
Bower. Please do not mention him as an AFL player. He was something I don't want to say. Deer in the headlights at best.
Jones...8 possies and no tackles in a team that was pumped and the ball was down his end most of the game.....he is a dud with zero nous and you cant teach nous....
Let's just cut our losses with this dud. Remebmer Mick telling us he would be unstoppable at the start of the year? How laughable. At least Watson can use the ball, his defensive efforts cant be any worse than the germophobe.
Re Jones - I was happy to see Jones at FB. I have been calling for this since it feels like round 1 or 2 when it was obvious back then he needed a change of position to learn more (an old fashion football education if you will) and to learn how to work. The physical attributed Jones possesses will should give him a decent chance to become a lock-down FB for starters.
I'd keep him there 100% and see what happens at VFL level for the remainder of the year. I'm not opposed to playing him at FB at AFL level before the seasons done either.
Re V-R - you don't cut a kid like him just yet. He's struggled yes but what an environment to introduce a kid into. He needs another year before we get hasty and start pruning players like him. His kicking is excellent and he moves well. Low confidence playing in a rabble team under a poor coach, zero development work into these kids it appears and we are a rabble AFL club too. Some kids will go okay early and some won't. I'll back him in for next year.
Perhaps this weeks game against the Lions is an opportunity to trial him at fullback? Seems ideal and we've nothing to lose.
I'd play him at full back on Jeremy Cameron and Roughy in the last 2 games of the year. Give him an idea of what it takes to be a gun forward.
Let's just cut our losses with this dud. Remebmer Mick telling us he would be unstoppable at the start of the year? How laughable. At least Watson can use the ball, his defensive efforts cant be any worse than the germophobe.
Speaking of duds and laughable - it's a shame Watson can't get the ball unless it is served to him on a plate. ;)
Speaking of duds and laughable - it's a shame Watson can't get the ball unless it is served to him on a plate. ;)
As opposed to Jones not getting it full stop.
As opposed to Jones not getting it full stop.
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I'd play him at full back on Jeremy Cameron and Roughy in the last 2 games of the year. Give him an idea of what it takes to be a gun forward.
"The Fevola experience" :D
It might sew up that desired draft pick ;D
....but seriously, nothing to lose.
Give him a few more games in that position in the VFL then the last couple in the seniors.
As opposed to Jones not getting it full stop.
Lucky for us they are both running around in the magoos then. ;D
Lucky for us they are both running around in the magoos then. ;D
One would be running.
The other would be doing a very good impression of a slow moving glacier. ;)
Jones at least demonstrated that he does have something to offer down back, he outread his opponent when the ball was in the air twice in the third Q and marked nicely.
It would seem that we have another two years to see if he can produce that sort of thing with any regularity.
One would be running.
The other would be doing a very good impression of a slow moving glacier. ;)
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