Sunday July 17
1.10 pm
MCG
Hey crash, apologies if I'm stepping on your toes old son..........
Levi is going to get a week for his tummy tap as he has been fined twice already. Can't get fined a 3rd time for that. He was reported and won't get out of it.
That means Jaksch and Jones in for mine. Don't want to go another game with 2 ruck and one key forward. If we thought Levi had trouble as a one out key forward against the numbers of a top defence then either Jaksch or Jones on their own will find it twice as much trouble. So pick both.
Drop Everitt and Walker and pick some runners. Don't need them if SOSOS is playing. Thomas will be out injured i'd say
There is no contact shown in the video, only an action, a near miss and a player staging free kick.
I hope he gets six-seven weeks so we can finally get a proper look at Jaksch.
insufficient force and a fine for staging.......well i can dream.
Does anyone else think we're a chance, solely on account of the "flat track bully" factor ?
insufficient force and a fine for staging.......well i can dream.
Me too.
I hope he gets six-seven weeks so we can finally get a proper look at Jaksch.
There is an easy way to get a look at him, go to a NBs VFL match and look for the player not putting in! ;)
There is an easy way to get a look at him, go to a NBs VFL match and look for the player not putting in! ;)
20 goals plus other good games in defence is not one of a player not putting in. Maybe a little inconsistent through games but with those stats i'd say he's putting in. If he's doing that not putting in imagine then how good he'll be when he has a crack!
20 goals plus other good games in defence is not one of a player not putting in. Maybe a little inconsistent through games but with those stats i'd say he's putting in. If he's doing that not putting in imagine then how good he'll be when he has a crack!
Don't talk to me about stats, in Jaksch's case they are meaningless, as worthless as telling me Everitt is our leading goalkicker.
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Don't talk to me about stats, in Jaksch's case they are meaningless, as worthless as telling me Everitt is our leading goalkicker.
How is 20 goals in a season so far meaningless? Not as if he's kicked 18 of them in the last 5 minutes of games when they were over. I saw one game and they were from very strong contested marks or good leads.
31 goals for Everitt last year wasn't meaningless either just that it was last year, not this year. Just meant last year he played well, this year crap. Figures tell us that clearly. Just a stupid statement to say they were meaningless stats.
Sunday July 17
1.10 pm
MCG
Hey crash, apologies if I'm stepping on your toes old son..........
No worries, mate. I'd just spent the last 2 hours creating an infinite tome on our forward structure (or lack of it). Happy you stepped up to the mark!
Now, if only the Blues can step up to the mark....
It may sound weird, but playing on the MCG doesn't appear to be helping us at the moment. We used to play that ground well. I wonder what happened?
Next Sunday could have a really small crowd.
No worries, mate. I'd just spent the last 2 hours creating an infinite tome on our forward structure (or lack of it). Happy you stepped up to the mark!
Now, if only the Blues can step up to the mark....
It may sound weird, but playing on the MCG doesn't appear to be helping us at the moment. We used to play that ground well. I wonder what happened?
Next Sunday could have a really small crowd.
Seriously thinking about not going. 6 goals last week. 7 today. Hardly worth watching is it?
It could get ugly, but NicNat isn't playing, so we won't get done by 100 points.
20 goals plus other good games in defence is not one of a player not putting in. Maybe a little inconsistent through games but with those stats i'd say he's putting in. If he's doing that not putting in imagine then how good he'll be when he has a crack!
First of all, I'd have Jaksch in the team mainly because we desperately need KPPs at both ends of the ground. However, I'm not yet convinced that he gives the effort required to perform at AFL level. In the NBs game I watched live he drifted in and out and Phillips had more impact as a key forward (and we know he's not a key forward).
Give Weitering the job on Kennedy, we'll lose anyway so it will be good for his education, Plowman can have a crack at LeCras.
It doesn't matter whether Casboult gets suspended or not seeing as his replacements are Jones and Jaksch, neither of whom really deserve a game, but Levi's lost what little form he had and if we keep picking him we're just not fair dinkum.
I'd give Buckley or Boekhorst a run as well, give them the chance to show something before we make a decision.
Vojo-Rainbow, Whiley, Tutt and Clem Smith probably won't be at Carlton next year, Gorringe likewise unless we signed him for two years.
Maybe we'll rookie one or two of them.
Bring in Jones to replace Casboult (if outed) and play Jones and Phillips as the two key forwards and play Kruz as the one and only with only minor relief from Phillips when necessary.
I love the
Cortés logic in some of these threads it is analogous to;
"Lets teach the kids that fire is dangerous by throwing them in it!"
How about we start the newbies off with some small victories first, like blowing out a candle, before we throw them on a burning ship?
Might be a few compulsory changes for this game...
Levi out.
Thomas possibly out with a calf.
Everitt out with chronic lethargy and DGAS.
Jones, Curnow & Buckley in?
Levi's replacement will be very interesting and could be quite revealing.
Drop a ruckman, bring in Jaksch and Jones, Kreuzer rucking most of the day with a bit of help from Rowe.
Drop a ruckman, bring in Jaksch and Jones, Kreuzer rucking most of the day with a bit of help from Rowe.
Can't have you key backman also rucking. He'll be busy enough with the leagues leading goal kicker.
Can't have you key backman also rucking. He'll be busy enough with the leagues leading goal kicker.
You can move Jaksch back there. We are simply no good at all playing two ruckman, fails us time and again, so we need something better. Only needs to do it for a few minutes a qtr.
Can't have you key backman also rucking. He'll be busy enough with the leagues leading goal kicker.
Agree. Leave the back six as is and play around with the rest.
Might be a few compulsory changes for this game...
Levi out.
Thomas possibly out with a calf.
Everitt out with chronic lethargy and DGAS.
Jones, Curnow & Buckley in?
I doubt we will appeal, so Casboult is out.
I don't think we can afford to go in with 1 ruckman, but I'd like to see both Jaksch and Jones play. I don't think Charlie Curnow is ready. Give him a few weeks to find some form and fitness.
Gorringe will probably be available, but I'd start him in the VFL.
One of Everitt or Walker simply MUST be replaced. Both deserve to be dropped, although there is some question about Walker's fitness. Either way, Boekhorst MAY be lucky. Form would not suggest he is ready, but our options are limited.
It says something that Armfield and Silvagni look to be the forwards under the least pressure.
Daisy is a big question mark: I would not be playing him unless he were to prove himself 100% long before the weekend. I simply cannot see that occurring. I don't know that Buckley has done enough to get a senior game, but he is doing a lot more than his direct competition and must be favourite to come in if Daisy doesn't come up. His pace would be useful in itself.
We do have a lot of players off the boil at the moment, but I cannot see huge numbers of changes, nor is there the depth to replace the guys out of form. I am not sure that Cripps is 100% - he certainly isn't playing so. I would 'rest' him and get his body right, but we don't appear to work that way.
I would not like to be a selector this weekend.
I would not like to be a selector this weekend.
Seriously? Piece of p...!
Out Thomas (inj), Casboult (susp), Walker (ret)
In Jones, Jaksch, Buckley.
I don't think we can afford to go in with 1 ruckman
History and form would dictate we definitely can't afford to go in with two ruckmen. It's useless totally.
How is 20 goals in a season so far meaningless? Not as if he's kicked 18 of them in the last 5 minutes of games when they were over. I saw one game and they were from very strong contested marks or good leads.
31 goals for Everitt last year wasn't meaningless either just that it was last year, not this year. Just meant last year he played well, this year crap. Figures tell us that clearly. Just a stupid statement to say they were meaningless stats.
31 goals last year is not meaningless, it is downright embarrassing....just as his, and the team, totals are embarrassing this year.
Our leading goalkicker has kicked 2 goals from his last 5 games and you still defend him.
We are better off playing 'small ball' this week and having a forward 6 of smalls. forcing he opposition to match up on us in that manner, rather than trying to match them by picking 2 'bigs' who will no be as good as their backmen.
It could get ugly, but NicNat isn't playing, so we won't get done by 100 points.
Nic Nat is getting more TV coverage than when he's playing
Seriously? Piece of p...!
Out Thomas (inj), Casboult (susp), Walker (ret)
In Jones, Jaksch, Buckley.
I suspect that Boekhorst will get the nod ahead of Jaksch. And you'd flick Everitt before Walker... at least Walker will tackle and has a little mongrel, and can be played anywhere (though his form, like Everitt, does not deserve senior selection but the cupboard is bare at present re replacements).
Buckley for Thomas is logical and we get a bit more run.
I agree with Capt CRASH that Curnow probably needs another game or two in the NBs along with Gorringe.
Jones for Levi seems obvious but wouldn't be surprised if it ends up being Gorringe (straight back without NBs time).
We've been conservative with changes for most of the year, so, in reality, will probably be minimal changes - 2 out, 2 in and we'll get to groan at Everitt's lack of effort some more. The number of times he has given up early on chases and/or just stood around over the past few weeks is simply breathtaking.
It's a bit counterproductive to the whole rebuild idea, but how about changes for this week are...
Out: Casboult Thomas Everitt Walker
In: Jamison Buckley Jaksch C.Curnow
FB Tuohy Weitering Jamison
HB Docherty Plowman Simpson
C Armfield Gibbs Buckley
HF C.Curnow Jaksch Lamb
FF Wright Rowe Silvagni
Fo Kreuzer Cripps Curnow
Int Phillips Kerridge Sumner White
It's a bit counterproductive to the whole rebuild idea, but how about changes for this week are...
Out: Casboult Thomas Everitt Walker
In: Jamison Buckley Jaksch C.Curnow
FB Tuohy Weitering Jamison
HB Docherty Plowman Simpson
C Armfield Gibbs Buckley
HF C.Curnow Jaksch Lamb
FF Wright Rowe Silvagni
Fo Kreuzer Cripps Curnow
Int Phillips Kerridge Sumner White
May not be far off there. Either that or they may decide to leave Rowe back and play Jones. Rowe might go forward if we decide to play just one ruck. Wouldn't be against that.
Re-build will happen more when our draftees are fit, haven't had many fit one, and even further after another draft. Much of our rebuild were a few from GWS too. They're getting a regular game. Plowman and Sumner will be way better next season after a proper pre-season. They didn't get a decent one this year..
May not be far off there. Either that or they may decide to leave Rowe back and play Jones. Rowe might go forward if we decide to play just one ruck. Wouldn't be against that.
Re-build will happen more when our draftees are fit, haven't had many fit one, and even further after another draft. Much of our rebuild were a few from GWS too. They're getting a regular game. Plowman and Sumner will be way better next season after a proper pre-season. They didn't get a decent one this year..
When SOS, Mackay, Charlie and Weiters are all playing in the same side, we will be winning more games than we lose, nothing surer.
It's a bit counterproductive to the whole rebuild idea, but how about changes for this week are...
Out: Casboult Thomas Everitt Walker
In: Jamison Buckley Jaksch C.Curnow
FB Tuohy Weitering Jamison
HB Docherty Plowman Simpson
C Armfield Gibbs Buckley
HF C.Curnow Jaksch Lamb
FF Wright Rowe Silvagni
Fo Kreuzer Cripps Curnow
Int Phillips Kerridge Sumner White
Agree with the outs.
With the ins, I reckon Jones will be in before Jaksch, but both may well come in.
Charlie will need a bit more VFL time after an illness like he's had .
Rowe will be needed in defence and Jammo appears finished and also has been on the sideline for weeks.
Ins, Jones, Jaksch, Buckley, Graham
In terms of form and potential, Gowers should get a run before Buckley. I was surprised that he didn't come in to replace Sheehan. Boekhorst would also seem more likely to come back into the 22.
Bolton has made it clear that he will look at players with 'sound form' and that may narrow the possibilities.
I reckon Boekhorst is the type of play who thrives when there are quality players around him. I think he will only show so much in the twos therefore he's better off having a run in the firsts (assuming fitness is ok) to see what he can produce.
I reckon Boekhorst is the type of play who thrives when there are quality players around him. I think he will only show so much in the twos therefore he's better off having a run in the firsts (assuming fitness is ok) to see what he can produce.
Reminds me of Campo, needs someone working hard inside to get him the ball and then he is good to go. If he has to win his own ball inside he is half the player.
Reminds me of Campo, needs someone working hard inside to get him the ball and then he is good to go. If he has to win his own ball inside he is half the player.
x2
Carl v WC
Tutt, Jones, Buckley, Whiley, Jaksch, Graham, C Curnow for Walker, Thomas, Everitt, Casboult.
Reminds me of Campo, needs someone working hard inside to get him the ball and then he is good to go. If he has to win his own ball inside he is half the player.
Except Campo could use the ball much much better
Backs 15. Sam Docherty 17. Sam Rowe 6. Kade Simpson
Half-backs 42. Zach Tuohy 20. Lachie Plowman 23. Jacob Weitering
Centreline 27. Dennis Armfield 9. Patrick Cripps 11. Sam Kerridge
Half-forwards 13. Jed Lamb 46. Matthew Wright 2. Jack Silvagni
Forwards 19. Liam Sumner 43. Simon White 34. Andrew Phillips
Followers 8. Matthew Kreuzer 4. Bryce Gibbs 35. Ed Curnow
Interchange from: 18. Kristian Jaksch 32. Nick Graham 7. Dylan Buckley
30. Charlie Curnow 24. Mark Whiley 22. Jason Tutt
14. Liam Jones
In: Tutt, Jones, Buckley, Whiley, Jaksch, Graham, C. Curnow
Out: Andrew Walker (knee), Dale Thomas (calf), Andrejs Everitt (omitted), Levi Casboult (suspended)
Backs 15. Sam Docherty 17. Sam Rowe 6. Kade Simpson
Half-backs 42. Zach Tuohy 20. Lachie Plowman 23. Jacob Weitering
Centreline 27. Dennis Armfield 9. Patrick Cripps 11. Sam Kerridge
Half-forwards 13. Jed Lamb 46. Matthew Wright 2. Jack Silvagni
Forwards 19. Liam Sumner 43. Simon White 34. Andrew Phillips
Followers 8. Matthew Kreuzer 4. Bryce Gibbs 35. Ed Curnow
Interchange from: 18. Kristian Jaksch 32. Nick Graham 7. Dylan Buckley
30. Charlie Curnow 24. Mark Whiley 22. Jason Tutt
14. Liam Jones
In: Tutt, Jones, Buckley, Whiley, Jaksch, Graham, C. Curnow
Out: Andrew Walker (knee), Dale Thomas (calf), Andrejs Everitt (omitted), Levi Casboult (suspended)
Nice. I wonder if the first 4 on the bench will be it with the rest emergencies?
2 key position players and two runners...... Jones and Jaksch with Buckley and Graham.
Just my guess!!
Great to see the axe wielded.
At least the blokes who're coming in offer 'something' rather than Walker and Thomas limping around, Everitt wondering around and Levi being double and triple teamed whenever he goes for the aggot.
Personally I'd like to see Jaksch, Jones, Curnow and Buckley be the four to make it through. And even though Jaksch and Jones might not be in the side next year at least we'll have two talls up forward along with a resting ruckman to give the Weagles something to think about.
Would love to see Charlie get a run if he's fully recovered.
Carlton
B: Sam Docherty, Sam Rowe, Kade Simpson.
HB: Zach Tuohy, Lachie Plowman, Jacob Weitering.
C: Dennis Armfield, Patrick Cripps, Sam Kerridge.
HF: Jed Lamb, Matthew Wright, Jack Silvagni.
F: Liam Sumner, Simon White, Andrew Phillips.
Foll: Matthew Kreuzer, Bryce Gibbs, Ed Curnow.
Int: Kristian Jaksch, Nick Graham, Dylan Buckley, Charlie Curnow, Mark Whiley, Jason Tutt, Liam Jones
In: Kristian Jaksch, Nick Graham, Dylan Buckley, Charlie Curnow, Mark Whiley, Jason Tutt, Liam Jones.
Out: Andrejs Everitt (Omitted), Levi Casboult (Suspension), Andrew Walker (Knee), Dale Thomas (Calf)
We will miss Daisy. He has generally played well when we have. We will miss Casboult, but we need to see of Jaksch or Jones can do the job.
I don't like White as a key forward. he has a big heart but he isn't a key forward.
I would not play Charlie Curnow. He is not fit enough yet, even though he is the future. I am happy to see him in contention, but think he needs more time to find form. He is not going to get his confidence up being outgunned.
I hope Nick Graham plays: he needs to be in the midfield.
Walker was lucky to be injured: stopped him being dropped. But then, it might be this knee injury which is making him as ineffective lately as he has been. Whatever is the case, we don't want to see him back until he is fully fit and finding some form.
The same goes for Everitt. He needs to go back and show the VFL and the club that he wants to be part of our future. he has the talent. It is time he took the game between the teeth and did something about it, even though he does not have a great record at VFL level.
Sumner and Lamb were probably lucky that others were injured. They may have futures, but neither is getting the ball enough or doing enough with it when they get it. Maybe a week or two in the VFL would do them some good.
The Weagles normally kill us in the middle, with Nic Nat being the difference. They get first use and we are in trouble. Nic Nat is not there, but even Lycett beat our ruckmen when last we met. We really need to get our midfield up and going, or our defence will be under more pressure than it can handle.
West Coast Eagles
B: Brad Sheppard, Will Schofield, Thomas Barrass.
HB: Elliot Yeo, Jeremy McGovern, Shannon Hurn.
C: Chris Masten, Matt Priddis, Jamie Cripps.
HF: Mark Hutchings, Jack Darling, Mark LeCras.
F: Josh Hill, Josh J. Kennedy, Patrick McGinnity.
Foll: Scott Lycett, Andrew Gaff, Luke Shuey.
Int: Mitchell Brown, Jack Redden, Sharrod Wellingham, Eric Mackenzie, Lewis Jetta, Sam Butler, Jackson Nelson
Apart from Nic Nat, their list couldn't get a lot better. If we are to win (or even get close) we need to beat them in the middle, so starving their forwards and we need to stop turning the ball over so much. 11 goals from turnovers last week! Cut them out and we win easily!
Great to see the axe wielded.
At least the blokes who're coming in offer 'something' rather than Walker and Thomas limping around, Everitt wondering around and Levi being double and triple teamed whenever he goes for the aggot.
Personally I'd like to see Jaksch, Jones, Curnow and Buckley be the four to make it through. And even though Jaksch and Jones might not be in the side next year at least we'll have two talls up forward along with a resting ruckman to give the Weagles something to think about.
I, too, am glad. We had to make a statement and we did.
Great to see the axe wielded.
At least the blokes who're coming in offer 'something' rather than Walker and Thomas limping around, Everitt wondering around and Levi being double and triple teamed whenever he goes for the aggot.
Personally I'd like to see Jaksch, Jones, Curnow and Buckley be the four to make it through. And even though Jaksch and Jones might not be in the side next year at least we'll have two talls up forward along with a resting ruckman to give the Weagles something to think about.
The axe hasn't really been wielded Baggers - only one omission. Like others, I suspect Lamb and Sumner were saved by injuries and lack of depth.
I will be surprised if Curnow makes the team without really being tested in the VFL - but what would I know, I'd have Gowers in the team before Jaksch and Buckley ???
Well we wanted to see what was left in the tank by several players looks like it will be on the weekend, but tough ask very under manned .
Well, i got the outs right.
Doesn't look like Jamo is on the radar, so won't get the ins right. I'd be hoping to see Jaksch, Jones, Curnow and Buckley from that bunch.
Graham doesn't offer us anything we don't already have.
Whiley, ditto
Tutt offers us similar to buckley, but has had a more recent chance.
The axe hasn't really been wielded Baggers - only one omission. Like others, I suspect Lamb and Sumner were saved by injuries and lack of depth.
I will be surprised if Curnow makes the team without really being tested in the VFL - but what would I know, I'd have Gowers in the team before Jaksch and Buckley ???
I think Gowers stuffed up his chances with a poor one last week. Reading between the lines from the coach's review midweek, they were looking for a strong game and he didn't provided. Give us a strong game this weekend and he might just get a call-up.
Sumner was probably saved by Buckley slowing down after half time. had he been able to keep the umbers up in the 2nd half, he MIGHT have convinced enough that he was ready. As it is, he made it to an extended bench.
2 key position players and two runners...... Jones and Jaksch with Buckley and Graham.
Just my guess!!
My guess too.
No way Charlie could be match fit yet after the the problems he's had, and the couple of part games he's had.
Maybe Whiley instead of Buckley too ?????
The axe hasn't really been wielded Baggers - only one omission. Like others, I suspect Lamb and Sumner were saved by injuries and lack of depth.
I will be surprised if Curnow makes the team without really being tested in the VFL - but what would I know, I'd have Gowers in the team before Jaksch and Buckley ???
Pretty sure that if we were heading into finals Walker and Thomas would play through their injuries... they've both been well below par and their omissions might have inj next to their names but I reckon there's an element of axe as well.
Like Capt CRASH mentioned Billy G blew opportunity with an ordinary game last Saturday, his urgency and intensity wasn't there - can't promote him on that. I liked Buckley's game last Saturday, broke lines, took on the game though disposal could have been better.
Lamb might have been a little lucky but his efforts have been really good. Reckon Sumner is going to be a gun once his body is right and he gets a couple of good pre seasons into his body.
Pretty sure that if we were heading into finals Walker and Thomas would play through their injuries... they've both been well below par and their omissions might have inj next to their names but I reckon there's an element of axe as well.
Like Capt CRASH mentioned Billy G blew opportunity with an ordinary game last Saturday, his urgency and intensity wasn't there - can't promote him on that. I liked Buckley's game last Saturday, broke lines, took on the game though disposal could have been better.
Lamb might have been a little lucky but his efforts have been really good. Reckon Sumner is going to be a gun once his body is right and he gets a couple of good pre seasons into his body.
If Sumner's foot holds up, a full pre season will see this bloke become a top player imo.
Can anyone PLEASE advise me if and when Carlton is on Fox. Being in Queensland at the moment it is impossible to find out and I am out of wi-fi range most of the time with only minutes left So ASAP PLEASE!!!!!
Can anyone PLEASE advise me if and when Carlton is on Fox. Being in Queensland at the moment it is impossible to find out and I am out of wi-fi range most of the time with only minutes left So ASAP PLEASE!!!!!
Sundays Game v WC is on Fox at 1pm
If Sumner's foot holds up, a full pre season will see this bloke become a top player imo.
I'm curious about how a full pre-season will enable Sumner to get the ball. Fitness doesn't seem to be an issue as he is running as hard in the last quarter as the first, but he just doesn't get the pill. That puts more pressure on everyone else.
Lamb is much the same; a couple of cameos but generally doesn't do a lot. Thirteen goals is a better return than Sumner but not nearly enough from a designated small forward. I guess you could say that about all of our forwards, and midfielders for that matter :(
Can anyone PLEASE advise me if and when Carlton is on Fox. Being in Queensland at the moment it is impossible to find out and I am out of wi-fi range most of the time with only minutes left So ASAP PLEASE!!!!!
I think all AFL games arelive on Foxtel, even those shown on Ch7. All you need is a Blues fixture list for times.
I'm curious about how a full pre-season will enable Sumner to get the ball. Fitness doesn't seem to be an issue as he is running as hard in the last quarter as the first, but he just doesn't get the pill. That puts more pressure on everyone else.
Lamb is much the same; a couple of cameos but generally doesn't do a lot. Thirteen goals is a better return than Sumner but not nearly enough from a designated small forward. I guess you could say that about all of our forwards, and midfielders for that matter :(
What I've noticed about Sumner in particular is that he has a quick, footy brain. If you watch early in the game against the Crows he effected an intercept that was elite/instinctual. When his body is right he'll get from contest to contest much quicker and really bolt away when he's got the ball. There was a couple of times recently when he tried to use his pace but couldn't get that little extra and opponents who shouldn't have been gaining on him, were.
I guess Lamb and Sumner arrived with not much senior footy under their belts so it'll take time. I'm extremely optimistic about Sumner. Lamb is more wait and see, his good is very good and I love his dash of mongrel and love of the physical contest. I'm far more concerned about the long term prospects of Kerridge.
@Baggers
Agree about Kerridge. We are trying to use him in a role which really requires an elite playmaker and he is a long way off that atm.
I'm curious about how a full pre-season will enable Sumner to get the ball. Fitness doesn't seem to be an issue as he is running as hard in the last quarter as the first, but he just doesn't get the pill. That puts more pressure on everyone else.
Lamb is much the same; a couple of cameos but generally doesn't do a lot. Thirteen goals is a better return than Sumner but not nearly enough from a designated small forward. I guess you could say that about all of our forwards, and midfielders for that matter :(
Maybe that's why he isn't getting enough as his fitness isn't there hence not getting to as many contests. Might get more runs in the midfield if he was fully fit.
A full pre-season helps everyone, as the lack of a one hinders both fitness and touch. You can bet he'd be way better off with full pre-season.
Sumner has played very little football owing to injuries and I concur that his trajectory is upwards if he can get a run at it.
Sumner has played very little football owing to injuries and I concur that his trajectory is upwards if he can get a run at it.
I hope you're right Prof.
Sumner has played very little football owing to injuries and I concur that his trajectory is upwards if he can get a run at it.
I'll cut him some slack for now too Prof. He shows some great glimpses but he does need to do it more often and hopefully he will be able to do that.
Sumners form has followed that of the team, downwards. He has shown more than enough and without repeating what others have said should be considered one of our few more promising up and coming midfielders
And good selections this week, hope Buckley and jacksh do well - both playing for their careers
Reckon Jaksch got the nod over Jones as he can go down back if needed.
Glad Bucks got the nod... and Charlie showed us at the beginning of the year that he can hack it in the seniors so, especially considering how thin the ranks are, why not bring him in. I'd almost be tempted to put Jaksch down back with Plowman and Rowe against their talls and give Weits and White the key forward's roles... just thoughts...
Good to see the inclusions as I will be going along and looking forward to seeing Charlie and getting a bit of a look at Jaksch, who just MUST grab this opportunity. Looking ominous for Jones, especially not being able to crack a gig even with Levi out.
Everitt is such a frustrating player. On talent alone he should easily be in our best 22 but he just lacks the application that should see him as one of the first picked every week. It probably frustrates him too. But if he cant get his act together we may be saying goodbye at the end of the season.
Great picks this week...we are choosing the player instead of the name.
Senior players finding it tough replaced with youth who should grab the opportunity with both hands.
Looking for effort and attitude lads!!
3 out of 5 in (JW, SOS and Charlie). Come on Macca and Cunners, make it 5 out of 5 by the end of the year.
The Eagles midfield is very strong, their tall forwards are a handful and they'll get plenty of supply.
It's a very weak Carlton side, I've got little confidence of getting within 40 points.
Funny but I'm a lot more optimistic about this game compared to last week.
Funny but I'm a lot more optimistic about this game compared to last week.
I'm a bit the same Baggers but I'd be a lot more optimistic if we had named two key forwards ???
Funny but I'm a lot more optimistic about this game compared to last week.
That's because last week was the same as the one that took on the pies the week before.....with the exception of Army that is...and look how that inclusion turned out.
What is it they say about insanity? Doing the same thing expecting different results?! Yup.
This week its large scale changes, albeit some forced, but required. With that brings optimism and potential changing of the cycle.
My issue is we still have two ruckmen and just one key forward. Given our ruckmen are useless when not on the ball we are essentially playing with 17 most of the time as you can only play one of them on the ball at any one time. Jaksch will have Casboult's problem of being one out against the opposition defence. We been pumped each time we've had two rucks and just one key forward. This time it's a young player still developing and building strength.
My issue is we still have two ruckmen and just one key forward. Given our ruckmen are useless when not on the ball we are essentially playing with 17 most of the time as you can only play one of them on the ball at any one time. Jaksch will have Casboult's problem of being one out against the opposition defence. We been pumped each time we've had two rucks and just one key forward. This time it's a young player still developing and building strength.
Where have i heard this before? Oh yeah, every post you make.
We don't have key forwards on the list. We have Jones, sure, but he offers us less than our rucks do!
Jones averages 9 touches a game and has kicked 8 goals from his 5 games.....which isn't great for a key forward.
Phillips averages 7 touches a game, but also 17 hitouts a game....kicked the game winner against the bombers (4 goals total)
Kreuzer averages 10 touches a game, but also 20 hitouts a game....kicked 4 goals this year.
Gorringe averages 13 touches a game, and 9 hitouts a game....kicked 4 goals this year (from 4 games)...and has played mainly forward.
FWIW, when Rowe was our 2nd ruckman against Port, he got 12 touches and kicked a goal as well.
Our rucks are not setting the world on fire, but neither is Jones. At least our rucks are rucking and between them get us a goal a game on average as well.
Jones averages 9 touches a game and has kicked 8 goals from his 5 games.....which isn't great for a key forward.
The same disposal average as Casboult this season, and Casboult has kicked 12 goals in his 14 games.
I'm being a bit harsh on Levi because he was injured in the first 5 minutes in one game so it's effectively 12 goals from 13 games.....which also isn't great for a key forward.
For some reason which I don't understand Casboult is a cult hero while Jones is a whipping boy, in my opinion neither of them are any good.
Good luck to young Jaksch tomorrow, there's a vacancy in our side if he's good enough to fill it.
Where have i heard this before? Oh yeah, every post you make.
We don't have key forwards on the list. We have Jones, sure, but he offers us less than our rucks do!
Jones averages 9 touches a game and has kicked 8 goals from his 5 games.....which isn't great for a key forward.
Phillips averages 7 touches a game, but also 17 hitouts a game....kicked the game winner against the bombers (4 goals total)
Kreuzer averages 10 touches a game, but also 20 hitouts a game....kicked 4 goals this year.
Gorringe averages 13 touches a game, and 9 hitouts a game....kicked 4 goals this year (from 4 games)...and has played mainly forward.
FWIW, when Rowe was our 2nd ruckman against Port, he got 12 touches and kicked a goal as well.
Our rucks are not setting the world on fire, but neither is Jones. At least our rucks are rucking and between them get us a goal a game on average as well.
I make it because it's right. When you're right you can keep saying it. Try it. Two rucks has been a deadset failure, please don't tell me otherwise. Your selective stats won't change a thing. Please don't bore us with them and just watch the game instead. That'll tell you more. Nothing like a scoreboard to tell us a story. Two rucks, one key forward, struggle to kick 7-8 goals, two key forwards, started at 10 then worked it's`way to over 100pts with 6 wins from 7 games. Back to two rucks, one key forwards, back to kicking 7 goals from 51 forward 50 entries. Your stats pale in comparison with those...lol.
Jones is a target, take the pressure off the other key forward and kick a goal or two. It spreads the defence instead of them going to the single key forward. Opens up the 50 and allows others to hit the scoreboard too not to mention straightening us up as we go forward. Called structure. Surely you grasp that concept. It's simple and results have proved it this year. We know he's not that good but he is way better value and having a ruckman running around doing nothing. They are useless up forward or anywhere else when off the ball.
Like I said, When did things change for us this year? When we picked a 2nd key forward. We started winning and started kicking bigger scores. We did even better again when we played just Kreuzer most of the day with back up from Casboult, as we have the last few years. Both play alot better. If you haven't seen that then we're just wasting our time here. That's the stat that matters. Try real stats.
The same disposal average as Casboult this season, and Casboult has kicked 12 goals in his 14 games.
I'm being a bit harsh on Levi because he was injured in the first 5 minutes in one game so it's effectively 12 goals from 13 games.....which also isn't great for a key forward.
For some reason which I don't understand Casboult is a cult hero while Jones is a whipping boy, in my opinion neither of them are any good.
Good luck to young Jaksch tomorrow, there's a vacancy in our side if he's good enough to fill it.
Agree.
Casboult is 'good' because he can take a mark.
Personally, i like him because he runs through opposition players.
As far as a key forward you can rely on.....nope.
I make it because it's right. When you're right you can keep saying it.
Right or wrong, Bolton doesn't seem to agree with you.
My issue is we still have two ruckmen and just one key forward. Given our ruckmen are useless when not on the ball we are essentially playing with 17 most of the time as you can only play one of them on the ball at any one time. Jaksch will have Casboult's problem of being one out against the opposition defence. We been pumped each time we've had two rucks and just one key forward. This time it's a young player still developing and building strength.
I agree about only having one key forward - Jaksch is up against it from the start - but there's nothing wrong with playing two ruckmen. However, ours are each spending a third of the game on the bench because they are not effective as forwards. We need to come up with a better way to use our ruckmen and/or find ruckmen who can be a genuine forward target in support of our key forward
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Agree.
Casboult is 'good' because he can take a mark.
Personally, i like him because he runs through opposition players.
As far as a key forward you can rely on.....nope.
We're on the same page there Kruddler :)
Casboult is 'good' because he can take a mark.
So could Brad Fisher, in fact he took more marks per game than Casboult and had a higher goal average.
Personally, i like him because he runs through opposition players.
He's well ahead of Fisher on that score, Fish couldn't knock a sick chook off a fence.
I make it because it's right. When you're right you can keep saying it. Try it. Two rucks has been a deadset failure, please don't tell me otherwise. Your selective stats won't change a thing. Please don't bore us with them and just watch the game instead. That'll tell you more. Nothing like a scoreboard to tell us a story. Two rucks, one key forward, struggle to kick 7-8 goals, two key forwards, started at 10 then worked it's`way to over 100pts with 6 wins from 7 games. Back to two rucks, one key forwards, back to kicking 7 goals from 51 forward 50 entries. Your stats pale in comparison with those...lol.
Jones is a target, take the pressure off the other key forward and kick a goal or two. It spreads the defence instead of them going to the single key forward. Opens up the 50 and allows others to hit the scoreboard too not to mention straightening us up as we go forward. Called structure. Surely you grasp that concept. It's simple and results have proved it this year. We know he's not that good but he is way better value and having a ruckman running around doing nothing. They are useless up forward or anywhere else when off the ball.
Like I said, When did things change for us this year? When we picked a 2nd key forward. We started winning and started kicking bigger scores. We did even better again when we played just Kreuzer most of the day with back up from Casboult, as we have the last few years. Both play alot better. If you haven't seen that then we're just wasting our time here. That's the stat that matters. Try real stats.
I understand the point you are trying to make. However, what is it exactly the Jones does that make defenders follow him, that playing a second ruck doesn't do when they are playing forward?
Why is Jones 'so good' at taking a defender when our ruckmen are not capable of doing?!
Jones is a rubbish forward who has been lucky enough to play in our 4 wins.....considering the teams tackling pressure was through the roof during that period (no thanks to Jones i might add) he was afforded more opportunities to kick goals than our current 'forwards' have had.
You see a correlation (Jones plays and we win) and you see that as 'proof' without looking any deeper into it. Then you say it a million times to try and convince everyone else its right. Which by now, you believe 100%.
There were plenty of other things happening during our wins, that are not happening now.
Walker+Everitt were contributing.
Cripps was at the top of his game....playing injured now IMO
Murphy was playing (mostly).
The team were tackling like men possessed and working for eachother.
This resulted in both more numerous and more quality inside 50's, which resulted in more shots on goal, and thus goals.....of which Jones got some benefit for.
I understand the point you are trying to make. However, what is it exactly the Jones does that make defenders follow him, that playing a second ruck doesn't do when they are playing forward?
Why is Jones 'so good' at taking a defender when our ruckmen are not capable of doing?!
Our ruckmen tend to be stationary and attract balls kicked on top of their heads. The defenders come over the top and punch the ball clear and often to their team's advantage. While I am a critic of Jones because he doesn't create enough opportunities as a forward target, he does hit contests at speed, smashes packs and brings the ball to ground in a more random way that should favour our small forwards (if they were any good). His opponent has to stay with him because he knows the basics of forward play.
Our ruckmens' opponents can zone off because they know that, if a ruckman does become a target, the ball will coming on top of their head and they will be able to spoil.
Our ruckmen tend to be stationary and attract balls kicked on top of their heads. The defenders come over the top and punch the ball clear and often to their team's advantage. While I am a critic of Jones because he doesn't create enough opportunities as a forward target, he does hit contests at speed, smashes packs and brings the ball to ground in a more random way that should favour our small forwards (if they were any good). His opponent has to stay with him because he knows the basics of forward play.
Our ruckmens' opponents can zone off because they know that, if a ruckman does become a target, the ball will coming on top of their head and they will be able to spoil.
Jaksch should take note!
I make it because it's right. When you're right you can keep saying it. Try it. Two rucks has been a deadset failure, please don't tell me otherwise. Your selective stats won't change a thing. Please don't bore us with them and just watch the game instead. That'll tell you more. Nothing like a scoreboard to tell us a story. Two rucks, one key forward, struggle to kick 7-8 goals, two key forwards, started at 10 then worked it's`way to over 100pts with 6 wins from 7 games. Back to two rucks, one key forwards, back to kicking 7 goals from 51 forward 50 entries. Your stats pale in comparison with those...lol.
Jones is a target, take the pressure off the other key forward and kick a goal or two. It spreads the defence instead of them going to the single key forward. Opens up the 50 and allows others to hit the scoreboard too not to mention straightening us up as we go forward. Called structure. Surely you grasp that concept. It's simple and results have proved it this year. We know he's not that good but he is way better value and having a ruckman running around doing nothing. They are useless up forward or anywhere else when off the ball.
Like I said, When did things change for us this year? When we picked a 2nd key forward. We started winning and started kicking bigger scores. We did even better again when we played just Kreuzer most of the day with back up from Casboult, as we have the last few years. Both play alot better. If you haven't seen that then we're just wasting our time here. That's the stat that matters. Try real stats.
Mate I dont quite get your theory. There has been games with 2 rucks that we have won and lost so I am not sure there is a pattern. We have also lost with one ruckman (eg NM). See below:
Rnd 5 Freo Win Kruezer and Phillips (2 Rucks Played)
Rnd 6 Ess Win Kruezer and Phillips (2 Rucks Played)
Rnd 7 Coll Win Kruezer (1 Ruck Played)
Rnd 8 PA Win Kruezer (1 Ruck Played)
Rnd 9 NM Loss Gorringe (1 Rucks Played)
Rnd 10 Geel Win Kruezer and Gorringe (2 Rucks Played)
Rnd 11 Bris Win Kruezer and Gorringe (2 Rucks Played)
The Rnd 12, 14, 15, 16 we have lost every game with 2 rucks playing
Our ruckmen tend to be stationary and attract balls kicked on top of their heads. The defenders come over the top and punch the ball clear and often to their team's advantage. While I am a critic of Jones because he doesn't create enough opportunities as a forward target, he does hit contests at speed, smashes packs and brings the ball to ground in a more random way that should favour our small forwards (if they were any good). His opponent has to stay with him because he knows the basics of forward play.
Our ruckmens' opponents can zone off because they know that, if a ruckman does become a target, the ball will coming on top of their head and they will be able to spoil.
I understand the theory behind it, what i am suggesting is that Jones doesn't actually run/present as much as people suggest and that our rucks are not as stationary as people suggest.
What happens if, when Jones plays next, that we get done by 10 goals much in the same fashion as we do now? Has Jones lost touch? Or is it as it truly is, the team has dropped off and Jones is not our saviour.
Mate I dont quite get your theory. There has been games with 2 rucks that we have won and lost so I am not sure there is a pattern. We have also lost with one ruckman (eg NM). See below:
Rnd 5 Freo Win Kruezer and Phillips (2 Rucks Played)
Rnd 6 Ess Win Kruezer and Phillips (2 Rucks Played)
Rnd 7 Coll Win Kruezer (1 Ruck Played)
Rnd 8 PA Win Kruezer (1 Ruck Played)
Rnd 9 NM Loss Gorringe (1 Rucks Played)
Rnd 10 Geel Win Kruezer and Gorringe (2 Rucks Played)
Rnd 11 Bris Win Kruezer and Gorringe (2 Rucks Played)
The Rnd 12, 14, 15, 16 we have lost every game with 2 rucks playing
Rowe was essentially our 2nd ruck in the PA game.
Mate I dont quite get your theory. There has been games with 2 rucks that we have won and lost so I am not sure there is a pattern. We have also lost with one ruckman (eg NM). See below:
Rnd 5 Freo Win Kruezer and Phillips (2 Rucks Played)
Rnd 6 Ess Win Kruezer and Phillips (2 Rucks Played)
Rnd 7 Coll Win Kruezer (1 Ruck Played)
Rnd 8 PA Win Kruezer (1 Ruck Played)
Rnd 9 NM Loss Gorringe (1 Rucks Played)
Rnd 10 Geel Win Kruezer and Gorringe (2 Rucks Played)
Rnd 11 Bris Win Kruezer and Gorringe (2 Rucks Played)
The Rnd 12, 14, 15, 16 we have lost every game with 2 rucks playing
Wouldnt get carried away with Kruezer vs Port......Trengove isnt exactly top shelf ruck quality and we got lucky Lobbe and Ryder were out....
Mate I dont quite get your theory. There has been games with 2 rucks that we have won and lost so I am not sure there is a pattern. We have also lost with one ruckman (eg NM). See below:
Rnd 5 Freo Win Kruezer and Phillips (2 Rucks Played)
Rnd 6 Ess Win Kruezer and Phillips (2 Rucks Played)
Rnd 7 Coll Win Kruezer (1 Ruck Played)
Rnd 8 PA Win Kruezer (1 Ruck Played)
Rnd 9 NM Loss Gorringe (1 Rucks Played)
Rnd 10 Geel Win Kruezer and Gorringe (2 Rucks Played)
Rnd 11 Bris Win Kruezer and Gorringe (2 Rucks Played)
The Rnd 12, 14, 15, 16 we have lost every game with 2 rucks playing
Two rucks/one key forward. You haven't seen the pattern yet? When did we start winning, when we picked the 2nd key forward, when did we play even better, when we played one ruck. It's one of the few things that went ok last year too. When did we go back to struggling to kick a score again, when we went back to two rucks and one key forward. Any part of that you've missed? Gorringe, while not that good, is as much a forward as a ruck. He actually took marks and kicked a couple of goals. As a ruck he wasn't very good.
The two rucks together have generally played terrible. There's no argument there. For years Kreuzer has been at his best when he has been on his own. I just don't know what part of that people miss. People watch footy week in/week out and miss the obvious.
Perhaps its not the fact we are playing 2 rucks that is the problem. Perhaps it is the blokes playing as ruckman that are the problem.
Same problem we have with our key forwards, that is, they are just not very good at it!
EDIT:
Nic Nat and Cox both got AA status playing in the same team. It can work if you have the right people for it to work.
Two rucks/one key forward. You haven't seen the pattern yet? When did we start winning, when we picked the 2nd key forward, when did we play even better, when we played one ruck. It's one of the few things that went ok last year too. When did we go back to struggling to kick a score again, when we went back to two rucks and one key forward. Any part of that you've missed? Gorringe, while not that good, is as much a forward as a ruck. He actually took marks and kicked a couple of goals. As a ruck he wasn't very good.
The two rucks together have generally played terrible. There's no argument there. For years Kreuzer has been at his best when he has been on his own. I just don't know what part of that people miss. People watch footy week in/week out and miss the obvious.
That's not really true. Back when we were winning, we were 6th in hitouts. We've dropped to 12th now.
The two ruckmen combination isn't working as well now as it did earlier in the season. The main difference I can see is that, while Phillips spent a lot of time on the bench, Kreuzer stayed on the ground. Now both of our rucks are each spending a third of the game on the bench. Of course, our better ruck performance when we were winning could be down to the fact that we played two key forwards for many of those games :)
Hasn't Phillips been injured for a number of weeks since our winning streak???
Perhaps its not the fact we are playing 2 rucks that is the problem. Perhaps it is the blokes playing as ruckman that are the problem.
Same problem we have with our key forwards, that is, they are just not very good at it!
EDIT:
Nic Nat and Cox both got AA status playing in the same team. It can work if you have the right people for it to work.
Finally! Our rucks and forwards just aren't much chop and our Mids are shallow at best. Played out of our skins V Geelong and Port.
I love Kreuze but he is over valued imo, isnt doing what he used to do which was be that Mumford type extra mid that would bullock through the stoppages.
The let go of Jacobs and Betts are quite possibly a couple of the dumbest things the club has done in recent times along with the recruitment of big-money Daisy.
It will take time to repair the damage but we are on the right track. Our back half is top-shelf imo.
Hope KJ shows a little as i believe he is worth retaining, hes 21 ffs
Welcome back Charlie
Bucks is definitely playing for a spot on the senior list and Nicky G for his career.
I like this team - I like it alot I believe they will give more than Daisy, Walker, Everitt and Casboult.
I like this team - I like it alot I believe they will give more than Daisy, Walker, Everitt and Casboult.
We can hope so. 3 out of the 4 of those are definitely more of the past than of the future. Maybe even Casboult will be obsolete when guys like McKay and Charlie Curnow start being reliable senior players.
The eagles run very hard and set up well defensively but I don't think our kids have much to worry aboutphysically. Good game to play kids in I reckon
The eagles run very hard and set up well defensively but I don't think our kids have much to worry aboutphysically. Good game to play kids in I reckon
They won't know how to set up for our forwardline this week....because we don't even know how we are going to setup! Could very well work in our favour.
The one or two ruckman argument should surely depend on the opposition we are facing.
We are not a good enough side that we can set up and say "this is us, it's up to you to match up on us"
Sometimes it will be to our advantage to play just one ruck and stack up elsewhere.
At other times it will be a recipe for disaster.
The one or two ruckman argument should surely depend on the opposition we are facing.
We are not a good enough side that we can set up and say "this is us, it's up to you to match up on us"
Sometimes it will be to our advantage to play just one ruck and stack up elsewhere.
At other times it will be a recipe for disaster.
Good call PB.
I think playing one forward is a bigger issue than 1 or 2 rucks... probably could have played 1 ruck this week, given West Coast only have 1.
Our ruck duo need to contribute tomorrow. If they can't beat Lycett...
Hope to be wrong but think this will go down as the "Colosseum Game"
The let go of Jacobs and Betts are quite possibly a couple of the dumbest things the club has done in recent times along with the recruitment of big-money Daisy.
Betts wanted to go home and Adelaide paid him handsomely to do so, he won't be playing when we are competitive again so it was no long term loss.
Thomas was a good recruit but we probably paid overs in dollar terms, he was suspect with injury at the time and I doubt that any other club would have paid what we did, at least we didn't trade anything of value for him I guess.
The critical mistake was losing Jacobs, but our management of the time preferred both Warnock and Hampson to him so his wanting out shouldn't have come as any surprise.
We've made some shocking list management decisions over the journey, which combined with our woeful recruiting has left us where we are today.
Betts wanted to go home and Adelaide paid him handsomely to do so, he won't be playing when we are competitive again so it was no long term loss.
Thomas was a good recruit but we probably paid overs in dollar terms, he was suspect with injury at the time and I doubt that any other club would have paid what we did, at least we didn't trade anything of value for him I guess.
The critical mistake was losing Jacobs, but our management of the time preferred both Warnock and Hampson to him so his wanting out shouldn't have come as any surprise.
We've made some shocking list management decisions over the journey, which combined with our woeful recruiting has left us where we are today.
Our story in one very accurate sentence.
We didn't "probably" pay overs for Daisy - we definitely did. His output has been nowhere near what we'd hoped. I'll be watching very closely to see what the club does with him once his contract ends.
EDIT : we don't have the depth to take risks on injury prone players.
We didn't "probably" pay overs for Daisy - we definitely did. His output has been nowhere near what we'd hoped. I'll be watching very closely to see what the club does with him once his contract ends.
I would think even Daisy would agree that the coin he was signed to (and I repeat, what I have been told is its not what is reported in the media) will not be repeated in his next contract if they offer him one. I will be more interested to see what Daisy does come contract time. How committed is he to Carlton? Will he take a significant hair cut to remain part of the group or will he shop himself around for $$$? Will he join his mate Heaffy at GWS for $$$? It will be very interesting.
I would think even Daisy would agree that the coin he was signed to (and I repeat, what I have been told is its not what is reported in the media) will not be repeated in his next contract if they offer him one. I will be more interested to see what Daisy does come contract time. How committed is he to Carlton? Will he take a significant hair cut to remain part of the group or will he shop himself around for $$$? Will he join his mate Heaffy at GWS for $$$? It will be very interesting.
I've said it before - I have no issue with Daisy per se, but his future is basically making up the numbers. If we do offer him another contract, it will surely be on a year by year basis, and on a much reduced wage. I can't see any other club being interested, except as a depth player.
I've said it before - I have no issue with Daisy per se, but his future is basically making up the numbers. If we do offer him another contract, it will surely be on a year by year basis, and on a much reduced wage. I can't see any other club being interested, except as a depth player.
Agree
I've said it before - I have no issue with Daisy per se, but his future is basically making up the numbers. If we do offer him another contract, it will surely be on a year by year basis, and on a much reduced wage. I can't see any other club being interested, except as a depth player.
I agree but isn't there a thread on "what were they thinking when they signed Daisy?"
It looks like it is going to be a good day for the footy and I'm revising the number of layers I will wear :)
The MCG is magnificent in the sunshine. The usual swirling breeze is evident but it should be good day for footy.
It's a pity there aren't more people here.
The hovercraft has just made an appearance. I want one!
Joe Biden is on the ground, accompanied by some scary dudes :)
We didn't "probably" pay overs for Daisy - we definitely did. His output has been nowhere near what we'd hoped. I'll be watching very closely to see what the club does with him once his contract ends.
EDIT : we don't have the depth to take risks on injury prone players.
Signing Thomas wasn't a mistake in itself, the dollars were but we've made far worse mistakes in recent times.
As I said earlier, losing Jacobs was a far bigger error and I could list at least half a dozen others over the last four or five years, in Daisy's case at least it only comes down to money.
How is pick 7 for Jaksch, Whiley and Boekhorst looking?
Joe Biden is on the ground, accompanied by some scary dudes :)
Murph presented him with a no 9 Blues jumper.
Maybe we could recruit a couple from the Secret Service 8)