Amazing! Haven't hear a single minute and can't vote, as I haven't seen anything of the game (except Eddie Betts' goal of the year on the news).
Do your worst!
Bring on next Sunday, b*tches.
I'm F$&&$d, spent, glad , but drained .. Unbelievable
WTFU did that effort come from? We pinch it with one good quarter of footy!!!
So we're in the finals, at leats its with a win. Gotta give them credit. A 1pt loss would feel pretty awful >:D
I mentioned in the In game thread that "In game threads"often sound funny when read in hindsight! ;) :D
Oh Dear
if you can steal the game on the line,
you should have been ahead all day.
Maybe you can't get the guys performing MickM?
Who said Murphy didn't have any leadership in him???
What a final quarter!!!!
We finally lift for a MUST WIN situation! An 8 goal final quarter!!
I lost my Dad last December, so this is going to be my first Father's Day without him but I know for a fact that he is getting positively wasted up there in heaven right now!
Hate to harp on...
Played through the middle, played on,
Moved quick, went hard... Simple game.
What a comeback! Easily the most enjoyable win for the year!
Thankyou Jimmy Turd
It's all Malthouse's fault!
True dat. Murph showed a lot in the 2nd half.
So we went back to the future with the game plan and turned it all around?? ::)
Hate to harp on...
Played through the middle, played on,
Moved quick, went hard... Simple game.
aMEN, IT AIN'T ROCKET SCIENCE......
Hate to harp on...
Played through the middle, played on,
Moved quick, went hard... Simple game.
this, just so obvious
If murphy does what he did in that second half i apologise for every comment i have ever made....
Yarran good boy!!!!!
WTFU did that effort come from? We pinch it with one good quarter of footy!!!
So we're in the finals, at leats its with a win. Gotta give them credit. A 1pt loss would feel pretty awful >:D
Damn Good! Port have never been a favourite, always in the top 4 of my faecal pantheon. They will probably never displace Essendon and Collingwood: hundreds of years of history there, but they TRY.
gutted if you were a norf supporter right about now
Yes, Murph took a big step forward in the leadership stakes tonight.
gutted if you were a norf supporter right about now
Probably won't help their team either, but the way the Pies are playing, I don't think they'll get close anyway.
However, if they win, I won't complain.
All you carlton naysayers can eat s bag of dicks
Watched the first half in bits and pieces, then jumped on here but the mood was so dour (justly so) that I decided to work around the house....yes, we were playing that poorly!...then caught the last part of the 4th and glad I did ;D
Can't understand why we can't play the first 3 quarters like we played the 4th :-\
Anyway, we have now cemented our place in the 8 so let's see what damage we can do.
I'll take a 1pt win over the Tigers or Pies in an elim final any day thanks!
Yes, Murph took a big step forward in the leadership stakes tonight.
It looks like he'll have to reschedule his knee op again.....
Who dropped out for Duigan?
So much I was going to write during the in-game thread, but despite the scoreboard we were winning so many important stats! What a last quarter. Character building stuff... but we should never have been in that position in the first place.
Yarran started that and our Captain finished it...
Yes, Murph took a big step forward in the leadership stakes tonight.
It looks like he'll have to reschedule his knee op again.....
Who dropped out for Duigan?
Scotland
Yes, Murph took a big step forward in the leadership stakes tonight.
It looks like he'll have to reschedule his knee op again.....
Who dropped out for Duigan?
Casboult.
Well ! If it was Micks fault we were behind almost all the game , I suppose it's his fault we won . ;D
Yes, Murph took a big step forward in the leadership stakes tonight.
It looks like he'll have to reschedule his knee op again.....
Who dropped out for Duigan?
Scotland
Thanks. Hope it was illness and not injury.
All you carlton naysayers can eat s bag of dicks
Munching as we speak! :))
Who said Murphy didn't have any leadership in him???
What a final quarter!!!!
We finally lift for a MUST WIN situation! An 8 goal final quarter!!
I lost my Dad last December, so this is going to be my first Father's Day without him but I know for a fact that he is getting positively wasted up there in heaven right now!
Nath bear I lost my dad in may last year too to cancer, and I agree they are up there having a well deserved beer!
gutted if you were a norf supporter right about now
are factor!!
I don't know whether to laugh or cry, the first three quarters were embarrassing, the last quarter was inspiring.
A number of players showed that they clearly are not up to it and will certainly face the axe at the end of the year whilst a couple of them may have done enough to save their career at the Blues.
Duigan's shepherd to allow Bell to kick that goal in the last quarter was huge.
Please, please, please I hope a photographer was watching Brayshaw!
He expression will make the Grinch look like a Happy Hammond!
Phew nerves
Yes, Murph took a big step forward in the leadership stakes tonight.
It looks like he'll have to reschedule his knee op again.....
Who dropped out for Duigan?
Casboult.
Sorry mate, but it couldn't have been Casboult. Casboult had 6 possessions and 1 point. Was he subbed off? Or was Menzel. Statistically he was the least for us.
Duigan's shepherd to allow Bell to kick that goal in the last quarter was huge.
Obviously he will get dropped for that one, no placed for anyone in our side prepared to put some body on the line!
Please, please, please I hope a photographer was watching Brayshaw!
He expression will make the Grinch look like a Happy Hammond!
Was he channelling Eddie Purple?? O0
I mentioned in the In game thread that "In game threads"often sound funny when read in hindsight! ;) :D
Obsolutley to all that expressed below the line comments (including me) :-[
Yes, Murph took a big step forward in the leadership stakes tonight.
It looks like he'll have to reschedule his knee op again.....
Who dropped out for Duigan?
Casboult.
Sorry mate, but it couldn't have been Casboult. Casboult had 6 possessions and 1 point. Was he subbed off? Or was Menzel. Statistically he was the least for us.
Duigan the shepherd king was subbed on for Casboult, Duigan was emergency for Scotland.
OMFGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
Listening to that on AM was sooooo painful but OMFG cannot believe it - names kept cropping up in the last, Murphy, Gibbs, Walker, Waite, Yaz - they are awesome players - I reckon MM left them off his 'gameplan' leash and wow look what they can do.
Proud as effing punch with those boys in that last quarter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes, Murph took a big step forward in the leadership stakes tonight.
No doubt...both he and Gibbs were challenged by the coach and delivered. Murphy looked better down forward and his finishing was important.
Credit also to Yarran who played very well and his work was very classy at times....
Credit must go to Malthouse who really put the onus on the leaders and even Duigan I thought was a valuable player...
Big question is can this same group of players who won the game for us tonight led by Murphy deliver again next week....
Yes, Murph took a big step forward in the leadership stakes tonight.
It looks like he'll have to reschedule his knee op again.....
Who dropped out for Duigan?
Casboult.
Sorry mate, but it couldn't have been Casboult. Casboult had 6 possessions and 1 point. Was he subbed off? Or was Menzel. Statistically he was the least for us.
Scotland was a late change. Cashbolt and Menzal played
Healy and Dunstall can eat a bowl of dicks, they are wingeing about Murphy's deliberate, Ports last two goals came from throws
I don't know whether to laugh or cry, the first three quarters were embarrassing, the last quarter was inspiring.
A number of players showed that they clearly are not up to it and will certainly face the axe at the end of the year whilst a couple of them may have done enough to save their career at the Blues.
We dominated the after half time, we just didn't start converting till the final term.
Who said Murphy didn't have any leadership in him???
What a final quarter!!!!
We finally lift for a MUST WIN situation! An 8 goal final quarter!!
I lost my Dad last December, so this is going to be my first Father's Day without him but I know for a fact that he is getting positively wasted up there in heaven right now!
What a great present for FD
Who said Murphy didn't have any leadership in him???
What a final quarter!!!!
We finally lift for a MUST WIN situation! An 8 goal final quarter!!
I lost my Dad last December, so this is going to be my first Father's Day without him but I know for a fact that he is getting positively wasted up there in heaven right now!
Glad the boys delivered for you nath :)
Please, please, please I hope a photographer was watching Brayshaw!
He expression will make the Grinch look like a Happy Hammond!
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I don't know whether to laugh or cry, the first three quarters were embarrassing, the last quarter was inspiring.
A number of players showed that they clearly are not up to it and will certainly face the axe at the end of the year whilst a couple of them may have done enough to save their career at the Blues.
Spot on. Amazing last qtr... but if we are to win a flag then there must be a reasonable amount of change.
Duigan had a huge impact, his courage, pressure and leadership helped change the game.
No doubt...both he and Gibbs were challenged by the coach and delivered. Murphy looked better down forward and his finishing was important.
Credit also to Yarran who played very well and his work was very classy at times....
Credit must go to Malthouse who really put the onus on the leaders and even Duigan I thought was a valuable player...
Big question is can this same group of players who won the game for us tonight led by Murphy deliver again next week....
Credit to Malthouse!!!!
Did you see him in the coaches box during the 3rd, he had given up!!!
I tell you what made the difference, they gave that stupid boundary hugging crap the ar5eholla. Let Murphy, Gibbs and Yarran actually play some football and went through the middle of the ground!
You can credit MM for the first 3 quarters, not the last!
Who said Murphy didn't have any leadership in him???
What a final quarter!!!!
We finally lift for a MUST WIN situation! An 8 goal final quarter!!
I lost my Dad last December, so this is going to be my first Father's Day without him but I know for a fact that he is getting positively wasted up there in heaven right now!
Glad the boys delivered for you nath :)
Hand up there :-[, was disapointed that he didint gather the guys ar half time, great 2nd half!!
Credit to Malthouse!!!!
Did you see him in the coaches box during the 3rd, he had given up!!!
I tell you what made the difference, they gave that stupid boundary hugging crap the ar5eholla. Let Murphy, Gibbs and Yarran actually play some football and went through the middle of the ground!
You can credit MM for the first 3 quarters, not the last!
Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahha
Duigan's shepherd to allow Bell to kick that goal in the last quarter was huge.
I still reckon he will be punted but Duigan had some genuine impact on the match once he came on for Casboult, he ran & carried plus hit the opposition players with some force as well.
Duigan's shepherd to allow Bell to kick that goal in the last quarter was huge.
He did it earlier as well during another entry. Thought he did well once he came on
Didn't think I'd feel like this again in 2013!
Apologies to MBB and CFC. Im sorry all.
Curnow's best game for the club yet, he just keeps surprising me!
I tell you what made the difference, they gave that stupid boundary hugging crap the ar5eholla. Let Murphy, Gibbs and Yarran actually play some football and went through the middle of the ground!
It was quite noticeable that none of the players were comfortable nor capable of hugging the boundary line but once they went down the corridor they looked like a team possessed.
The play was fluid, it was co-ordinated and they all ran for each other, and I'm pretty sure that was Ratten's style too.
I tell you what made the difference, they gave that stupid boundary hugging crap the ar5eholla. Let Murphy, Gibbs and Yarran actually play some football and went through the middle of the ground!
It was quite noticeable that none of the players were comfortable nor capable of hugging the boundary line but once they went down the corridor they looked like a team possessed.
The play was fluid, it was co-ordinated and they all ran for each other, and I'm pretty sure that was Ratten's style too.
They have done this 3 or 4 times this season, when they get off the negative football leash they improve 300%.
Either that or they are slow learners!
MMs old style game plan is like a boat anchor, he has improved the players defensive work rate but his negative game plan holds them back more than it helps them!
I can't remember which game it was, but MM let them off the leash and they won from behind again this year.
Work with what you've got MM - not try to fashion #1 picks into your style of play all the time. I still think we screwed up getting him as coach, we need someone that isn't as stubborn as just 'play as I believe the game should be played every bloody week'.
So so so proud of that last quarter - partner and I were jumping around the house with the kids looking on happy but a bit bewildered! We did not play MM's gameplan in the Hawks game, and just missed out winning that due to umpiring bias - we are a run with team, a ONE MILLION DOLLAR coach should bring out the best in what his team however they play, not want to make them play his way or the highway every single week!
FMDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD! A great screw YOU to Essendon and Hird after last week!
Statistically - the only way I can judge at this point - we had some good efforts:
Murphy: 14 kicks 9 handballs 23 disposals 5 marks 5 tackles 3 goals 0 points. Pretty good for a guy on 1 leg (and who has been now for some time).
Walker: 22 kicks 3 handballs 25 possessions 7 marks 3 tackles 0 goals 0 behinds.
Curnow: 11 kicks 8 handballs 19 possessions 6 marks 6 tackles 1 goal 0 behinds. He got huge dream team points because every kick was effective. I gather not every kick Andrew walker had was effective.
Gibbs: 19 kicks 7 handballs 26 possessions 3 marks 1 tackle (!!!) 1 goal 0 behinds. Again, it appears Bryce didn't have the radar on as effectively as some others.
I saw a few seconds of Eddie Betts kicking one of his best goals. That was magical!
Thank You James ( It wasn't my fault ) Tird and the Essenscum Football Club.... we don't deserve to be there but we are.............. bahahahahahahahhhahahaha....
Now lets farrk up Richmond or Collonwood while we're on a roll...
8)
All you carlton naysayers can eat s bag of dicks
That would be me
All you carlton naysayers can eat s bag of dicks
That would be me
me too
Biggest win since the 99 prelim?
All you carlton naysayers can eat s bag of dicks
I have tried hard to be positive during this season, and your statement is a nice statement in hindsight, but if you had turned it off at 3/4 time I am sure you wouldn't be so sanctimonious now!
I suggest you watch a replay of the first 3/4s a few times to keep things in balance!
PS:
If you haven't worked it out yet, I have no good humor about the way we have been playing lately! For me the last quarter makes it even worse because that just shows you what they are capable of when they play football! Our coaches have taken 1st round draft picks and turned them into average players!
All you carlton naysayers can eat s bag of dicks
That would be me
where can I get my bag - do they come cut and uncut?
All you carlton naysayers can eat s bag of dicks
I have tried hard to be positive during this season, and your statement is a nice statement in hindsight, but if you had turned it off at 3/4 time I am sure you wouldn't be so sanctimonious now!
I suggest you watch a replay of the first 3/4s a few times to keep things in balance!
Nah.
Murphy: 14 kicks 9 handballs 23 disposals 5 marks 5 tackles 3 goals 0 points. Pretty good for a guy on 1 leg (and who has been now for some time).
I thought he was fantastic in the last and clearly lifted the side but I don't think he was on one leg. I saw him burn alongside Garlett running at at full pace for about 50m in the second term for the handball receive and he didn't miss a stride. He's obviously carrying an injury but most players are at this stage of the year. He is just so dangerous around the goals.
Whilst he didn't take the grab, I liked Warnock's attack on the footy in the air in the last few minutes. Why can't he attack it like that every time?!
Murphy: 14 kicks 9 handballs 23 disposals 5 marks 5 tackles 3 goals 0 points. Pretty good for a guy on 1 leg (and who has been now for some time).
I thought he was fantastic in the last and clearly lifted the side but I don't think he was on one leg. I saw him burn alongside Garlett running at at full pace for about 50m in the second term for the handball receive and he didn't miss a stride. He's obviously carrying an injury but most players are at this stage of the year. He is just so dangerous around the goals.
Straight line OK, going sideways he has a big problem, nil direction changes.
How good was Menzel's pick up from his toes and handball to Bell for the goal? Some very hard tackling as well. So good we're going to get a final into these types.
Whilst he didn't take the grab, I liked Warnock's attack on the footy in the air in the last few minutes. Why can't he attack it like that every time?!
He isn't playing for his career every week!
How good was Menzel's pick up from his toes and handball to Bell for the goal? Some very hard tackling as well. So good we're going to get a final into these types.
Yes he has it, whatever it is!
Murphy: 14 kicks 9 handballs 23 disposals 5 marks 5 tackles 3 goals 0 points. Pretty good for a guy on 1 leg (and who has been now for some time).
I thought he was fantastic in the last and clearly lifted the side but I don't think he was on one leg. I saw him burn alongside Garlett running at at full pace for about 50m in the second term for the handball receive and he didn't miss a stride. He's obviously carrying an injury but most players are at this stage of the year. He is just so dangerous around the goals.
Straight line OK, going sideways he has a big problem, nil direction changes.
Fair enough makes sense. Great leadership regardless.
Fair enough makes sense. Great leadership regardless.
If you get to watch a replay you will see he turns like a titanic, relative to how he use to turn. Often when confronted he now ducks his head in situations that he would have previously just stepped around a few.
I reckon it is a hip!
The club claims it is a knee, but knees don't let you run like that!
Fair enough makes sense. Great leadership regardless.
If you get to watch a replay you will see he turns like a titanic, relative to how he use to turn. Often when confronted he now ducks his head in situations that he would have previously just stepped around a few.
I reckon it is a hip!
Trust me, I know for a fact its his knee.
Fair enough makes sense. Great leadership regardless.
If you get to watch a replay you will see he turns like a titanic, relative to how he use to turn. Often when confronted he now ducks his head in situations that he would have previously just stepped around a few.
I reckon it is a hip!
Trust me, I know for a fact its his knee.
He must be playing with a partial medial tear then, because he accelerates fine as long as it is in the straight line.
Amazing how much better we looked when Yarran went down back, even though he was relatively quiet in the last term, he sparked the revival in the third quarter. His run and creativity straightened us up and it seemed his confidence came back in a flash. Not even sure he was in defence as much as perhaps on a wing. One of the commentators mentioned he was playing on Cornes and working off him at the right times.
Amazing how much better we looked when Yarran went down back, even though he was relatively quiet in the last term, he sparked the revival in the third quarter. His run and creativity straightened us up and it seemed his confidence came back in a flash.
I suppose he actually enjoys playing there occasionally, once or twice a season would be nice!
Well, they made me eat my words.
Just keep the game plan simple MM, hard and fast thru the middle...and honour the leads by kicking out in front, not on top of heir heads.
Frustrating but good game boys... Showed some heart.
Well ! If it was Micks fault we were behind almost all the game , I suppose it's his fault we won . ;D
Yeap, for letting them not play his game plan.
Good to see some ticker in the second half. Lets not get delusional we lucked in to the finals and almost managed to stuff it up two weeks in a row.
Liked Murphs second half,
Bell was great crashing packs when it was needed. Yes his disposal still needs work but he nailed a crunch goal. Has promise.
Duigan was great knew exactly what he was playing for.
Simmo kept us in the game when everyone else was losing it.
Now to do it all again next week. Looking forward to see who steps up in finals under Mick.
I'm actually watching the lást qtr again, as I can't believe that was the same team who played the first 3!
As I said though run harder for longer!
Well done boys, my heart pumping, but that's what it's all about.
I gave murph a serve last week , & today he stood up when he was needed - maybe there is a captain hiding there after all!
go BLUES!!
Normally stay away from the In Game thread but no coverage where I am at the moment so it became my lifeline.
Man, the emotion that courses through that forum is hilarious!
Obviously another typically enigmatic performance by the Blues. And now I can relax and watch Essendon "lose" or "not win". Ah, things are looking up ;D
All you carlton naysayers can eat s bag of dicks
That would be me
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What day do we play next week?
What day do we play next week?
I reckon Saturday night assuming it's against Richmond. Pies will want a 7 day break.
What day do we play next week?
I reckon Saturday night assuming it's against Richmond. Pies will want a 7 day break.
Strange. I am hearing different things. Drew Morphett said we could play tigers on a Sunday. Bet then I am hearing Satuarday as well
A richmond fan at work said he got sent some information in the mail about finals tickets as it's been a while since they've been there and it said they were most likely going to play on Saturday.
I think the Pies were told they'd get a Sunday final in return for playing round 23 on the Sunday.
Whoever plays Collingwood gets the Sunday final I think.
Although Fox are stating otherwise.
No doubt...both he and Gibbs were challenged by the coach and delivered. Murphy looked better down forward and his finishing was important.
Credit also to Yarran who played very well and his work was very classy at times....
Credit must go to Malthouse who really put the onus on the leaders and even Duigan I thought was a valuable player...
Big question is can this same group of players who won the game for us tonight led by Murphy deliver again next week....
Credit to Malthouse!!!!
Did you see him in the coaches box during the 3rd, he had given up!!!
I tell you what made the difference, they gave that stupid boundary hugging crap the ar5eholla. Let Murphy, Gibbs and Yarran actually play some football and went through the middle of the ground!
You can credit MM for the first 3 quarters, not the last!
I don't think you can discredit Mick, I'm hopeful, like in round 1, he went, boys, lets play with instincts lets
Move It on and run through be middle.
All goals were kicked from the corridor in the last, anyone who says we didnt change the style has their head in the sand.
I'll give Mick this one as I hope out players didnt do their own thing... Lets hope it carries on next week..
Just showed a graphic on ch7, they think we will play Sunday.
I think the Pies were told they'd get a Sunday final in return for playing round 23 on the Sunday.
Whoever plays Collingwood gets the Sunday final I think.
Although Fox are stating otherwise.
Fox Footy just went with us Sunday but said unconfirmed... I think you are right if its the pies its sunday.
Great work today MBB
The only one not bagging the blues and staying positive.
Loved your patriotism and optimism ????
With Captians Club anyone know how many tickets we can buy???
Great work today MBB
The only one not bagging the blues and staying positive.
Loved your patriotism and optimism ????
x2
With Captians Club anyone know how many tickets we can buy???
we got 2 per card back in 2011 against the Bombers but I'm not sure about this year.
I sat through the first half of the game totally devastated >:D then had to go out for a family tea. Found out we won by a point. :))
DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW I CAN WATCH A REPLY (NON FOXTEL)? PLEASE.
MM and the players deserved the kicking thy got in the In Game Thread. I don't regret anything I said because they were playing without soul or for the jumper.
But that last quarter was their best 30 minutes for the year. They played with intensity and heart and genuine belief and they were lead by a man who took 23 rounds to work out what's needed to be a Captain.
This has nothing to so with MM's gameplan. In the first three quarters Port ran harder and played smarter. We kicked long to their loose man and didn't run to man up when they had the ball. In fact we had the ball over 100 less times in the first half because we weren't willing to compete. Again, nothing to do with hugging the boundary line.
But when they faltered and ran out of legs we finally pounced and it's a credit to top up players like Bell and Duigan that they were there to make an impact.
MM is a great coach. 20 final series to his name. There's only so much you can do with players who may have raw talent but no intelligence.
It's nice that we've made it into the Finals but for me the measure of Mick will be next year. He won't be able to blame the last regime just like Abbot will blame Rudd if he wins next week.
In the meantime roll on the Tiges.
No doubt...both he and Gibbs were challenged by the coach and delivered. Murphy looked better down forward and his finishing was important.
Credit also to Yarran who played very well and his work was very classy at times....
Credit must go to Malthouse who really put the onus on the leaders and even Duigan I thought was a valuable player...
Big question is can this same group of players who won the game for us tonight led by Murphy deliver again next week....
Credit to Malthouse!!!!
Did you see him in the coaches box during the 3rd, he had given up!!!
I tell you what made the difference, they gave that stupid boundary hugging crap the ar5eholla. Let Murphy, Gibbs and Yarran actually play some football and went through the middle of the ground!
You can credit MM for the first 3 quarters, not the last!
lol. You can't have it both ways.
Great work today MBB
The only one not bagging the blues and staying positive.
Loved your patriotism and optimism ????
Agree.
However for all the rest of us Carlton were terrible for 2 and half quarters. 137 uncontested possessions to 51 at half time.
Hey do you know how many times in the game I wanted to reach for the keyboard and let fly? For some strange reason I thought if I did I'd end up with egg on my face!
MM and the players deserved the kicking thy got in the In Game Thread. I don't regret anything I said because they were playing without soul or for the jumper.
But that last quarter was their best 30 minutes for the year. They played with intensity and heart and genuine belief and they were lead by a man who took 23 rounds to work out what's needed to be a Captain.
This has nothing to so with MM's gameplan. In the first three quarters Port ran harder and played smarter. We kicked long to their loose man and didn't run to man up when they had the ball. In fact we had the ball over 100 less times in the first half because we weren't willing to compete. Again, nothing to do with hugging the boundary line.
But when they faltered and ran out of legs we finally pounced and it's a credit to top up players like Bell and Duigan that they were there to make an impact.
MM is a great coach. 20 final series to his name. There's only so much you can do with players who may have raw talent but no intelligence.
It's nice that we've made it into the Finals but for me the measure of Mick will be next year. He won't be able to blame the last regime just like Abbot will blame Rudd if he wins next week.
In the meantime roll on the Tiges.
the former vic labor govt blamed the kennett government for 11 years...
Hey do you know how many times in the game I wanted to reach for the keyboard and let fly? For some strange reason I thought if I did I'd end up with egg on my face!
Know exactly what you mean. I wasnt as disciplined.
All you carlton naysayers can eat s bag of dicks
That would be me
me too
And me......haven't watched the game yet (seen highlights), as I had no interest at the time (will watch replay tomorrow). Stoked that they won, as it gives the Club some merit for next week. Have to say though, the barrage of sms's I was receiving before 3/4 time from Carlton supporters, denouncing how bad we were suggests there's still a lot of work to do. We got away with playing one awesome quarter of football today.
Actually thought the boys had a decent crack in the 1st Qtr, the misses made it look worse than it was, the 2nd qtr however was a different story, although I thought Port moved the ball as well as ive seen a team do it this season in that first half, gee they were good....I thought the goal by Jeff Garlett where he pressured the 2 guys then ran up got the spill and snapped the goal was a real turning point and a great effort.
I hoping we might have got a real confidence lift out of that especially the amigo's Murph and Gibba... Will Juddy be right for NW??
Yes, Murph took a big step forward in the leadership stakes tonight.
It looks like he'll have to reschedule his knee op again.....
Who dropped out for Duigan?
Scotland
Thanks. Hope it was illness and not injury.
Woops, I thought you meant subbed...
Scotto was out due to quad (never a 1 week injury!!).
Yes, Murph took a big step forward in the leadership stakes tonight.
No doubt...both he and Gibbs were challenged by the coach and delivered. Murphy looked better down forward and his finishing was important.
Credit also to Yarran who played very well and his work was very classy at times....
Credit must go to Malthouse who really put the onus on the leaders and even Duigan I thought was a valuable player...
Big question is can this same group of players who won the game for us tonight led by Murphy deliver again next week....
Right there. Maybe, just maybe, Gibbs and Murph learnt something today... about leadership. YES, I have always believed that Murph is a mega dangerous small forward who can go into the guts... not the other way round - under those circumstances he will always be a better skipper.
We look better with an in-form Duigs in the side.
Be Aware! There has been an unexplained theft.
One of the greatest thefts since the great train robbery.
Target = Finals Spot
Crew = See below
Probability of coming off = 500/1 long shot
Place = Football Park
Charged for aiding and abetting is
1 James Hird of Essendon for stupidity (exit the finals)
2 Andrew Dimitriou for god complex and over-reaction (kicking them out of the finals)
3 Mathew Broadbent for inaccuracy with 25 seconds on the clock
4 The Port Adelaide football club for letting a 37 point deficit deep in the third quarter go against an opposition that had 276 disposals vs 365.
5 The umpires for awarding 18 free kicks to 13 dispite Carlton being second to the ball all day
6 Richmond football club for being the only top 8 team Carlton could beat
In a bold showing, and after numerous failed attempts, The Carlton Football Club has got away with the prized booty of a finals spot.
Unbelievable!
Go blues!
Healy and Dunstall can eat a bowl of dicks, they are wingeing about Murphy's deliberate, Ports last two goals came from throws
Thank all the gods I was not the only one who saw exactly the same thing.
MM and the players deserved the kicking thy got in the In Game Thread. I don't regret anything I said because they were playing without soul or for the jumper.
But that last quarter was their best 30 minutes for the year. They played with intensity and heart and genuine belief and they were lead by a man who took 23 rounds to work out what's needed to be a Captain.
This has nothing to so with MM's gameplan. In the first three quarters Port ran harder and played smarter. We kicked long to their loose man and didn't run to man up when they had the ball. In fact we had the ball over 100 less times in the first half because we weren't willing to compete. Again, nothing to do with hugging the boundary line.
But when they faltered and ran out of legs we finally pounced and it's a credit to top up players like Bell and Duigan that they were there to make an impact.
MM is a great coach. 20 final series to his name. There's only so much you can do with players who may have raw talent but no intelligence.
It's nice that we've made it into the Finals but for me the measure of Mick will be next year. He won't be able to blame the last regime just like Abbot will blame Rudd if he wins next week.
In the meantime roll on the Tiges.
the former vic labor govt blamed the kennett government for 11 years...
the former vic labor govt blamed the kennett government for 11 years...
With good reason LR . . . most of everything that is wrong with Victoria, including Carlton's failure to challenge for another flag, is down to Kennett's mismanagement.
vlad just said we play sunday
I think the Pies were told they'd get a Sunday final in return for playing round 23 on the Sunday.
Whoever plays Collingwood gets the Sunday final I think.
Although Fox are stating otherwise.
Has Kochie and Hinckley agreed that they can wear their B&W stripes? ;)
Can't believe everyone thinks it was a final quarter only, win. The third quarter arrested the decline and laid the foundations for the final quarter. Even up until half time our team stats showed we were very competitive and even slightly in front!
We did a lot right in this game, and IMHO it was our disposal and decision making early that cost us, and their pressure probably caused that - same old problem.
What our club must do is find out why we started slow once 'attacked' and why so many blokes then fumbled under this pressure? (leadership, introversion, inexperience?).
I wouldn't be conservative in assessing Duigs' influence ...
About time we won a close one.
Healy and Dunstall can eat a bowl of dicks, they are wingeing about Murphy's deliberate, Ports last two goals came from throws
Thank all the gods I was not the only one who saw exactly the same thing.
X3 thought i was watching rugby at one point and started protesting about a knock on...
Wingards was so blatant it was despicable. Umps put the whistles away. That Jarrad Waite fifty metre penalty was technically correct but so against the spirit of that contest.
Listening to Dunstall and Healey they were saying that we went a lot smaller in our forward line after Casboult was subbed, as the taller set-up was obviously not delivering results.
Once we had the smaller forward structure in place we were then able to put a lot more pressure on Port's defence and kill their drive out of there, hence helping in turning things round dramatically to our advantage.
Sounds about right to me and a good coaching move to boot!.
Good job we did win as the Crows are smashing WCE.
Yes, Murph took a big step forward in the leadership stakes tonight.
No doubt...both he and Gibbs were challenged by the coach and delivered. Murphy looked better down forward and his finishing was important.
Credit also to Yarran who played very well and his work was very classy at times....
Credit must go to Malthouse who really put the onus on the leaders and even Duigan I thought was a valuable player...
Big question is can this same group of players who won the game for us tonight led by Murphy deliver again next week....
Come on EB, I don't expect sycophantic comments from you.
Hopefully Malthouse now realises that playing Yarran off halfback is critical to our success, as is having Duigan put his big frame into the contest.
If Malthouse is as good a coach as some would have us believe, he will throw his pre-conceived ideas about structures and favourites out the window and build on what worked in previous seasons.
We're still a way off a genuine finals contender but there is huge potential if we can retain Betts, play Yarran and Walker in their best positions, pick up a genuine KPP and get at least one of our rucks to win the ball around the ground. Encouraging risk taking football as Hawthorn plays wouldn't go astray but that may be a 'bridge too far' or our rather conservative coach.
Finally, I'm leading my former workplace's footy tipping by 3 coming in to this round . . . and I tipped Port Adelaide :( It could cost me dollars but I don't mind 8)
Yes, Murph took a big step forward in the leadership stakes tonight.
No doubt...both he and Gibbs were challenged by the coach and delivered. Murphy looked better down forward and his finishing was important.
Credit also to Yarran who played very well and his work was very classy at times....
Credit must go to Malthouse who really put the onus on the leaders and even Duigan I thought was a valuable player...
Big question is can this same group of players who won the game for us tonight led by Murphy deliver again next week....
Come on EB, I don't expect sycophantic comments from you.
Hopefully Malthouse now realises that playing Yarran off halfback is critical to our success, as is having Duigan put his big frame into the contest.
If Malthouse is as good a coach as some would have us believe, he will throw his pre-conceived ideas about structures and favourites out the window and build on what worked in previous seasons.
We're still a way off a genuine finals contender but there is huge potential if we can retain Betts, play Yarran and Walker in their best positions, pick up a genuine KPP and get at least one of our rucks to win the ball around the ground. Encouraging risk taking football as Hawthorn plays wouldn't go astray but that may be a 'bridge too far' or our rather conservative coach.
Finally, I'm leading my former workplace's footy tipping by 3 coming in to this round . . . and I tipped Port Adelaide :( It could cost me dollars but I don't mind 8)
DJ...not flattering anyone to buy any favours or changing my opinions over one game just giving credit where its due to the individuals who won the game.... a win is a win and someone must have done something good to achieve the result.
As I said the challenge is there for the players I mentioned to do it again....am I sold on Murphy as captain ..No...Gibbs as a A grade matchwinner...No... Duigan to keep his place on the list..No
and while I will give Malthouse another 12 months there is nothing to suggest he has improved this team as yet or is just another Pagan collecting his super.
The three amigo's forward line wont win us a flag, we need decent KP forwards....prefer Yarran on the wing...
Yes, Murph took a big step forward in the leadership stakes tonight.
No doubt...both he and Gibbs were challenged by the coach and delivered. Murphy looked better down forward and his finishing was important.
Credit also to Yarran who played very well and his work was very classy at times....
Credit must go to Malthouse who really put the onus on the leaders and even Duigan I thought was a valuable player...
Big question is can this same group of players who won the game for us tonight led by Murphy deliver again next week....
Come on EB, I don't expect sycophantic comments from you.
Hopefully Malthouse now realises that playing Yarran off halfback is critical to our success, as is having Duigan put his big frame into the contest.
If Malthouse is as good a coach as some would have us believe, he will throw his pre-conceived ideas about structures and favourites out the window and build on what worked in previous seasons.
We're still a way off a genuine finals contender but there is huge potential if we can retain Betts, play Yarran and Walker in their best positions, pick up a genuine KPP and get at least one of our rucks to win the ball around the ground. Encouraging risk taking football as Hawthorn plays wouldn't go astray but that may be a 'bridge too far' or our rather conservative coach.
Finally, I'm leading my former workplace's footy tipping by 3 coming in to this round . . . and I tipped Port Adelaide :( It could cost me dollars but I don't mind 8)
DJ...not flattering anyone to buy any favours or changing my opinions over one game just giving credit where its due to the individuals who won the game.... a win is a win and someone must have done something good to achieve the result.
As I said the challenge is there for the players I mentioned to do it again....am I sold on Murphy as captain ..No...Gibbs as a A grade matchwinner...No... Duigan to keep his place on the list..No
and while I will give Malthouse another 12 months there is nothing to suggest he has improved this team as yet or is just another Pagan collecting his super.
The three amigo's forward line wont win us a flag, we need decent KP forwards....prefer Yarran on the wing...
I really am getting sick of this three amigos cant work ion the same team crapeee...
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/fabulous-four-hit-the-big-time-20130830-2swd9.html (http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/fabulous-four-hit-the-big-time-20130830-2swd9.html)
So releaved we actually won one of these games. looking frward to next week.
Yes, Murph took a big step forward in the leadership stakes tonight.
No doubt...both he and Gibbs were challenged by the coach and delivered. Murphy looked better down forward and his finishing was important.
Credit also to Yarran who played very well and his work was very classy at times....
Credit must go to Malthouse who really put the onus on the leaders and even Duigan I thought was a valuable player...
Big question is can this same group of players who won the game for us tonight led by Murphy deliver again next week....
Come on EB, I don't expect sycophantic comments from you.
Hopefully Malthouse now realises that playing Yarran off halfback is critical to our success, as is having Duigan put his big frame into the contest.
If Malthouse is as good a coach as some would have us believe, he will throw his pre-conceived ideas about structures and favourites out the window and build on what worked in previous seasons.
We're still a way off a genuine finals contender but there is huge potential if we can retain Betts, play Yarran and Walker in their best positions, pick up a genuine KPP and get at least one of our rucks to win the ball around the ground. Encouraging risk taking football as Hawthorn plays wouldn't go astray but that may be a 'bridge too far' or our rather conservative coach.
Finally, I'm leading my former workplace's footy tipping by 3 coming in to this round . . . and I tipped Port Adelaide :( It could cost me dollars but I don't mind 8)
DJ...not flattering anyone to buy any favours or changing my opinions over one game just giving credit where its due to the individuals who won the game.... a win is a win and someone must have done something good to achieve the result.
As I said the challenge is there for the players I mentioned to do it again....am I sold on Murphy as captain ..No...Gibbs as a A grade matchwinner...No... Duigan to keep his place on the list..No
and while I will give Malthouse another 12 months there is nothing to suggest he has improved this team as yet or is just another Pagan collecting his super.
The three amigo's forward line wont win us a flag, we need decent KP forwards....prefer Yarran on the wing...
If your assessment is correct EB, why has it taken Malthouse an entire season to "challenge" Murphy, Gibbs, Duigan and other leaders?
I don't believe Malthouse did anything different, other than perhaps swallowing a little pride and accepting that the previous coach had worked out the best positions for a few players. My take is that some of the players - particularly Murphy, Gibbs, Yarran, Betts, Duigan, Garlett and Walker - took it upon themselves to show that it hasn't been a wasted season.
I agree with you that the three amigos shouldn't all be on the forward line; Yarran should be running off half back and Betts and Garlett have to provide a greater midfield contribution. A KPP is a must have for next season and I'd love to see a Stevie J type forward/midfielder in navy blue. I'm not convinced that Menzel has a place in our best 22 and I don't think that Kreuzer and Warnock can form an effective ruck partnership.
Yes, Murph took a big step forward in the leadership stakes tonight.
No doubt...both he and Gibbs were challenged by the coach and delivered. Murphy looked better down forward and his finishing was important.
Credit also to Yarran who played very well and his work was very classy at times....
Credit must go to Malthouse who really put the onus on the leaders and even Duigan I thought was a valuable player...
Big question is can this same group of players who won the game for us tonight led by Murphy deliver again next week....
Come on EB, I don't expect sycophantic comments from you.
Hopefully Malthouse now realises that playing Yarran off halfback is critical to our success, as is having Duigan put his big frame into the contest.
If Malthouse is as good a coach as some would have us believe, he will throw his pre-conceived ideas about structures and favourites out the window and build on what worked in previous seasons.
We're still a way off a genuine finals contender but there is huge potential if we can retain Betts, play Yarran and Walker in their best positions, pick up a genuine KPP and get at least one of our rucks to win the ball around the ground. Encouraging risk taking football as Hawthorn plays wouldn't go astray but that may be a 'bridge too far' or our rather conservative coach.
Finally, I'm leading my former workplace's footy tipping by 3 coming in to this round . . . and I tipped Port Adelaide :( It could cost me dollars but I don't mind 8)
DJ...not flattering anyone to buy any favours or changing my opinions over one game just giving credit where its due to the individuals who won the game.... a win is a win and someone must have done something good to achieve the result.
As I said the challenge is there for the players I mentioned to do it again....am I sold on Murphy as captain ..No...Gibbs as a A grade matchwinner...No... Duigan to keep his place on the list..No
and while I will give Malthouse another 12 months there is nothing to suggest he has improved this team as yet or is just another Pagan collecting his super.
The three amigo's forward line wont win us a flag, we need decent KP forwards....prefer Yarran on the wing...
If your assessment is correct EB, why has it taken Malthouse an entire season to "challenge" Murphy, Gibbs, Duigan and other leaders?
I don't believe Malthouse did anything different, other than perhaps swallowing a little pride and accepting that the previous coach had worked out the best positions for a few players. My take is that some of the players - particularly Murphy, Gibbs, Yarran, Betts, Duigan, Garlett and Walker - took it upon themselves to show that it hasn't been a wasted season.
I agree with you that the three amigos shouldn't all be on the forward line; Yarran should be running off half back and Betts and Garlett have to provide a greater midfield contribution. A KPP is a must have for next season and I'd love to see a Stevie J type forward/midfielder in navy blue. I'm not convinced that Menzel has a place in our best 22 and I don't think that Kreuzer and Warnock can form an effective ruck partnership.
If you had to pick one out the 2 for next weeks game (Warnock or Kruiz) who would you go with?
I really am getting sick of this three amigos cant work ion the same team crapeee...
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/fabulous-four-hit-the-big-time-20130830-2swd9.html (http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/fabulous-four-hit-the-big-time-20130830-2swd9.html)
The three amigos plan doesn't work at our club because our three amigos aren't committed & desperate enough every week.
I didn't get to see the game but listened in when we were about 30 or so points down. Then heard the last 5 minutes of the game. Amazing stuff. Happy for the boys and for Mick because I reckon if there was no fightback then we could forget about the next 2 years.
Anyway, clean slate next week and it is Richmond so who knows what could happen on a Sunday afternoon at the 'G
Couldn't resist, waited till the wife fell asleep, then got up to watch replay.. That Shultz is one hell of a set shot goal kicker.
JuddKreuzer how did you find a point for Kreuzer in the votes? :S
Phew!!!! That was farking heart stopping stuff. But thank you Bluebaggers for delivering the best Fathers Day present ever. Today is going to be a magnificent day at the in laws. Absolutely magnificent ;D
Needs more of that stuff from Murph and the 3 Slackos next week. Reckon the Tigers will be very concerned >:D
Hard to find a Carlton player that played four quarters of solid football.
Credit to Gibbs, Walker, Curnow, Yarran and Murphy who didn't have great first halves who set up the win in the last.
Walker and Yarran's run out of the back half was a highlight. Interesting that the Fox team suggested that Yarran had gone to KCornes and was using his pace to run off him. Can't say I noticed it and was interested if anyone else picked it up.
It must also be said that Port dropped right off. Their pressure and ball movement from the first half just disappeared.
We dominated the centre bounce clearances 13 - 2 at one stage in the last and our blokes actually outworked the Power over. Amazing to see a side that was stripped of any confidence play this way. Win the ball and the clearances??? Nothing to do with game plans. Just a desire to win the hard ball and chase.
Credit to the boys in the last (and the coach?), but we did pinch that and we should be a lot better than that.
Port expended so much energy trying to flood back and forth that they were out of legs in the last.
I hate it when we let shultz get the ball. Rarely misses a set shot.
Couldn't resist, waited till the wife fell asleep, then got up to watch replay.. That Shultz is one hell of a set shot goal kicker.
We could have picked him up cheaply when he left the Tigers!
Yes, Murph took a big step forward in the leadership stakes tonight.
No doubt...both he and Gibbs were challenged by the coach and delivered. Murphy looked better down forward and his finishing was important.
Credit also to Yarran who played very well and his work was very classy at times....
Credit must go to Malthouse who really put the onus on the leaders and even Duigan I thought was a valuable player...
Big question is can this same group of players who won the game for us tonight led by Murphy deliver again next week....
Come on EB, I don't expect sycophantic comments from you.
Hopefully Malthouse now realises that playing Yarran off halfback is critical to our success, as is having Duigan put his big frame into the contest.
If Malthouse is as good a coach as some would have us believe, he will throw his pre-conceived ideas about structures and favourites out the window and build on what worked in previous seasons.
We're still a way off a genuine finals contender but there is huge potential if we can retain Betts, play Yarran and Walker in their best positions, pick up a genuine KPP and get at least one of our rucks to win the ball around the ground. Encouraging risk taking football as Hawthorn plays wouldn't go astray but that may be a 'bridge too far' or our rather conservative coach.
Finally, I'm leading my former workplace's footy tipping by 3 coming in to this round . . . and I tipped Port Adelaide :( It could cost me dollars but I don't mind 8)
DJ...not flattering anyone to buy any favours or changing my opinions over one game just giving credit where its due to the individuals who won the game.... a win is a win and someone must have done something good to achieve the result.
As I said the challenge is there for the players I mentioned to do it again....am I sold on Murphy as captain ..No...Gibbs as a A grade matchwinner...No... Duigan to keep his place on the list..No
and while I will give Malthouse another 12 months there is nothing to suggest he has improved this team as yet or is just another Pagan collecting his super.
The three amigo's forward line wont win us a flag, we need decent KP forwards....prefer Yarran on the wing...
If your assessment is correct EB, why has it taken Malthouse an entire season to "challenge" Murphy, Gibbs, Duigan and other leaders?
I don't believe Malthouse did anything different, other than perhaps swallowing a little pride and accepting that the previous coach had worked out the best positions for a few players. My take is that some of the players - particularly Murphy, Gibbs, Yarran, Betts, Duigan, Garlett and Walker - took it upon themselves to show that it hasn't been a wasted season.
I agree with you that the three amigos shouldn't all be on the forward line; Yarran should be running off half back and Betts and Garlett have to provide a greater midfield contribution. A KPP is a must have for next season and I'd love to see a Stevie J type forward/midfielder in navy blue. I'm not convinced that Menzel has a place in our best 22 and I don't think that Kreuzer and Warnock can form an effective ruck partnership.
Malthouse has been challenging them all season and it has taken them this long to respond. He didnt wake up yesterday and think to himself that i should challenge these blokes now. These guys only responded due to the outside situation of not making finals. Something they failed to respond to last season when facing North Melbourne. Who you credit that to is up to you.
When was the last time we had that sort of comeback against anyone? Port did allow it to happen, but they tried to stop it and lifted the intensity with ten minutes to go and where our blokes have folded in the past they didnt this time. In the past we would get in front solely to choke and then give it away, but credit must be given this time for stemming the tide getting on top and going on with it.
Just watched the comeback highlights on YouTube and in didnt give rough credit to Andrew Walker.. He had a hand in four goals and his kick on his left was first class
Menzel had some real classy touches in there. Definitely a player.
Just watched the comeback highlights on YouTube and in didnt give rough credit to Andrew Walker.. He had a hand in four goals and his kick on his left was first class
Menzel had some real classy touches in there. Definitely a player.
Not sure how many touches Menzel had in the last, but his pick up at his ankles then the sheppard to give Gibbs space from the centre bounce clearance set up two goals.
Just watched the comeback highlights on YouTube and in didnt give rough credit to Andrew Walker.. He had a hand in four goals and his kick on his left was first class
Menzel had some real classy touches in there. Definitely a player.
Not sure how many touches Menzel had in the last, but his pick up at his ankles then the sheppard to give Gibbs space from the centre bounce clearance set up two goals.
Was clever little kick around the corner into the middle for Murph, who got caught, spill to walker to Garlett. So I reckon he had a hand in 3.
With three of our best four on ballers missing we couldn't get our hands on the footy in the first half, the boundary line style minimised the damage so we were still in the game. We still played the boundary in the last term anyway, we just moved the ball faster and better. With no tall targets up forward we were forced to kicking to our small player's advantage and not kicking and hoping Casboult takes a big pack mark.
Interesting that the Fox team suggested that Yarran had gone to KCornes and was using his pace to run off him. Can't say I noticed it and was interested if anyone else picked it up.
Yazz was on Wingard for a large portion of the last quarter from what I could see but I too heard the Cornes comment and it came early in the last term.
With three of our best four on ballers missing we couldn't get our hands on the footy in the first half, the boundary line style minimised the damage so we were still in the game.
No it didn't. Time and time again Port won the ball from our stagnant play, switched it through the middle and cut us up. The gameplan was doing us no favours whatsoever.
Just went through the ingame thread. Very amusing how things turn around. Really will enjoy the footy shows today. Funny how things turn around in a week. 8)
With three of our best four on ballers missing we couldn't get our hands on the footy in the first half, the boundary line style minimised the damage so we were still in the game.
No it didn't. Time and time again Port won the ball from our stagnant play, switched it through the middle and cut us up. The gameplan was doing us no favours whatsoever.
and there game plan ultimately cost them the game. Once the belief came we cut them to pieces from there chip kicking through the corridor.
on a separate note just watched the replay Bell body is so underestimated.. He is brutal the way he keeps bullocking
Just went through the ingame thread. Very amusing how things turn around. Really will enjoy the footy shows today. Funny how things turn around in a week. 8)
Everyone in the football world wanted us to lose, should have heard Eddie calling the final minutes of the Brisbane Geelong game.
and their game plan ultimately cost them the game.
LMAO exactly.
With three of our best four on ballers missing we couldn't get our hands on the footy in the first half, the boundary line style minimised the damage so we were still in the game.
No it didn't. Time and time again Port won the ball from our stagnant play, switched it through the middle and cut us up. The gameplan was doing us no favours whatsoever.
and there game plan ultimately cost them the game. Once the belief came we cut them to pieces from there chip kicking through the corridor.
Nah not at all, once we started switching the ball inside we looked far more dangerous. A lot of our goals came in the last from switching through the middle once we got up to the wing. Think about it, Yarran's goal, the pass from Army to Betts, Murphy and Gibbs streaming through the middle to score goals. We had no choice but to switch to an attacking style and not for the first time this year it resulted in quick goals to us.
Their pressure dropped off. Young teams just struggle to keep that pressure up for four quarters.
It was a mirror image of the first half. We couldn't get the ball out of the back half and they moved the ball so well. They worked harder.
137 uncontested possessions to 51 at half time is disgusting.
Healy made the comment in last quarter "where was this pressure from the Blues in the first half"
I think people are being a little bit cheeky to suggest that Mick scrapped his old game plan. We actually started to win the ball in the centre and run, rather than chase tail. The quick ball movement was a combination of Port dropping off and us working harder and as a result we had options everywhere.
Yeap posters had been calling for Yarran to go half back for weeks and it was clear this had an impact. As did Murphy going forward more and Walker getting into the game in the last.
Yeap posters had been calling for Yarran to go half back for week and it was clear this had an impact. As did Murphy going forward more and Walker getting into the game in the last.
I reckon those three had the biggest say in the end. Walker's clean hands down low to pick the ball and sprint off on multiple occasions were telling.
What did people make of Menzal game? didnt do much but did some very important thinks. Does he hold his spot?
He is a footballer first and foremost does some very clever things
His pick up down low and hands off was sublime and he tackles hard. It's a huge bonus to be able to get a final into blokes like he, Belly, McInnes and Curnow.
Putting duigan in the centre might be the move of the season
Duigan will be a smarter wrecking ball than robbo
This could be good for the finals
It's a huge bonus to be able to get a final into blokes like he, Belly, McInnes and Curnow.
absolutely, bell especially.
He is the type of player who will make or break a final
It's a huge bonus to be able to get a final into blokes like he, Belly, McInnes and Curnow.
absolutely, bell especially.
He is the type of player who will make or break a final
Watching the last qtr yesterday Bell throw his body in like these no tomorrow, stepped up to pot that crunch goal. Getting a final into him will only see him improve next year.
Bell should have got more games during the year and is a player who needs work to improve...he is still raw, has sloppy disposal, tackles in a crazy fashion at times but has the ability to change games and has to be perservered with...
It's a huge bonus to be able to get a final into blokes like he, Belly, McInnes and Curnow.
absolutely, bell especially.
He is the type of player who will make or break a final
Watching the last qtr yesterday Bell throw his body in like these no tomorrow, stepped up to pot that crunch goal. Getting a final into him will only see him improve next year.
he will become a barometer player. Bell is a smarter version of robinson.
His development will depend heavily on the strength of the football dept.
I wouldn't be surprised if other clubs enquire about him, more than others at trade week.
we'd be stupid to trade him - but we're good at being stupid
Don't think Bell will be traded - he's definitely part of our future IMO. Same for Curnow who is developing very well IMO, contrary to my own expectations I might add. :-[
I though Duigan was cooked but he was extremely good yesterday.
Unfortunately Duigan, Robbo and Bell all have the same problem i.e. despite their ability to do the really tough stuff, their decision making and disposal can be a bit ok or iffy.
If they are all ok we are fine and win, but if they are all iffy we lose.
On balance, I'd prefer guy's who give 100% but might eff up, to guy's who give 90% but choose when they go.
A great comeback win !! Woohoo, go Blues
I missed the 1st qtr, and the 2nd qtr did my confidence no good at all. I saw a better effort in the 3rd qtr but we didn't turn it into scoreboard pressure.
Our 4th qtr was simply amazing, and shows me that we do have something to work with, but we must work on our consistency to be a better side.
I give us a real chance to beat the Tiges next week, IMO it would be good for our team to play a top 4 team in the 2nd week to remind our senior guys and show the younger guys what is required to play good winning finals football.
Bell should have got more games during the year and is a player who needs work to improve...he is still raw, has sloppy disposal, tackles in a crazy fashion at times but has the ability to change games and has to be perservered with...
Exactly ..... and I see in him, enormous potential, commitment and (above all) strength. You get rid of him and you kill initiative on a useless quest to correct, what under education, may well be temporary errors.
Lucky we won, Adelaide and Norf would have passed us with their %
Lucky we won, Adelaide and Norf would have passed us with their %
Lucky MM had a process
Our 4th qtr was simply amazing, and shows me that we do have something to work with, but we must work on our consistency to be a better side.
Agree this list is not that bad.
Please dont get fooled(our list not bad) 39 odd ptsdown,if you think about the whole year you we realise we need massive changes.On sen they said we are still a failure and i agree. NOW lets kick rich arse.
Our list isn't bad but it isn't good, hence why we have finished 8th/9th.
Our 4th qtr was simply amazing, and shows me that we do have something to work with, but we must work on our consistency to be a better side.
Agree this list is not that bad.
Its not that bad if we trade a few free-loaders and get some players in that have leadership ability we might move along O.K. Players with X-factor need to bring something to a game, every game. Most of the game in fact. Trade a few weak links out and watch the others lift their work rate. Delist a few and watch the entire squad crap its pants if those players don't get a gig at another club.
Don't think Bell will be traded - he's definitely part of our future IMO. Same for Curnow who is developing very well IMO, contrary to my own expectations I might add. :-[
Bell has a deal to be upgraded...Essendon offered last year but we wanted to keep him as a rookie so we had to do a deal where we would upgrade him the next year.
Don't think Bell will be traded - he's definitely part of our future IMO. Same for Curnow who is developing very well IMO, contrary to my own expectations I might add. :-[
Bell has a deal to be upgraded...Essendon offered last year but we wanted to keep him as a rookie so we had to do a deal where we would upgrade him the next year.
Good! Thanks EB1 for that info.
Our 4th qtr was simply amazing, and shows me that we do have something to work with, but we must work on our consistency to be a better side.
Agree this list is not that bad.
I have always said that our list is not the (major) problem, it's our lack of player development.
Hopefully MM can bring in some good coaches to change that a bit. ;)
Anyone see micks post match press conference?
Interesting reactions.
Anyone see micks post match press conference?
Interesting reactions.
I did. He was pretty hard on Kreuzer. He wasn't soft on Levi either. Saying the kicking issues are hard to fix at this age. Some of the kicking issues being the technique and drop of the ball, and sometimes being all between the ears. He appeared very happy with Murphy and his turn around.
Anyone see micks post match press conference?
Interesting reactions.
I did. He was pretty hard on Kreuzer. He wasn't soft on Levi either. Saying the kicking issues are hard to fix at this age. Some of the kicking issues being the technique and drop of the ball, and sometimes being all between the ears. He appeared very happy with Murphy and his turn around.
Hole he doesn't give up on Casboult .
Latest research shows that most technique deficiencies can be overcome with good teachers teaching the RIGHT WAY.
Anyone see micks post match press conference?
Interesting reactions.
I did. He was pretty hard on Kreuzer. He wasn't soft on Levi either. Saying the kicking issues are hard to fix at this age. Some of the kicking issues being the technique and drop of the ball, and sometimes being all between the ears. He appeared very happy with Murphy and his turn around.
Hole he doesn't give up on Casboult .
Latest research shows that most technique deficiencies can be overcome with good teachers teaching the RIGHT WAY.
He basically stated they would address this issue over seasons end and see if it is technique or a lack of self belief. I would be doing everything possible, because this kid could be an absolute super star.
Just watched the last half again. Curnow has to be our most improved player this year. Shuts down AND gets his own ball. Very important to us.
Casboult has a lousy ball drop...too much air time between when it drops and the ball hits the boot......Stewart Lowe is about the only player I know who was a rubbish kick and became reasonable after lots of practice.. Earl Spalding was always awkward and a ordinary kick until the premiership year when he still looked awkward but seemed to kick goals.
Casboults kicking also lacks touch, he over kicks the ball even when kicking short...he needs a vatican approved exorcism of the kicking demon....
Casboult has a lousy ball drop...too much air time between when it drops and the ball hits the boot......Stewart Lowe is about the only player I know who was a rubbish kick and became reasonable after lots of practice.. Earl Spalding was always awkward and a ordinary kick until the premiership year when he still looked awkward but seemed to kick goals.
Casboults kicking also lacks touch, he over kicks the ball even when kicking short...he needs a vatican improved exorcism of the kicking demon....
I hope it can, but I won't hold my breath waiting, MM might be too old to want to wait that long!
Just watched the last half again. Curnow has to be our most improved player this year. Shuts down AND gets his own ball. Very important to us.
Hmm I agree he's important but Ebert did kick 4 goals on him in the first 3 quarters and really hurt us. I'll be backing Ed to get the job done on Cotchin again this week.
Casboult has a lousy ball drop...too much air time between when it drops and the ball hits the boot......Stewart Lowe is about the only player I know who was a rubbish kick and became reasonable after lots of practice.. Earl Spalding was always awkward and a ordinary kick until the premiership year when he still looked awkward but seemed to kick goals.
Casboults kicking also lacks touch, he over kicks the ball even when kicking short...he needs a vatican approved exorcism of the kicking demon....
As I was composing a reply to this in my head I had to stop due to laughing out loud in front of work colleagues... All I got was:
"They showed Casboult's ball drop in slow motion during the game on Saturday..." ;D
I know, small things, but I am on the tail end of my 13 hour night shift.
You are dead right. Levi has to work on technique, and no gold star will be given to Carlton Forwards coach for neglecting Levi.
Hey, about Davey Ellard. His stats were not impressive, except for the 7 tackles, one behind Matthew Kreuzer and one ahead of Ed Curnow who is a known one-percenter.
Typical Ellard and it shows why Kreuzer is so magnificient - as you don't expect a big fella to accumulate these stats!
Kreuzer had 2 kicks and one handball. Nowhere near good enough for four quarters.
I am putting the acid on defence Coach Gavin Brown:
There were 2 snap shot forward pocket goals by the Port Forwards but no Carlton defender blocked the Half Forward / forward pocket space to prevent them running off the mark at right angles....
BASIC ERROR AND LAZY FOOTBALL.......
GOLD! (pardon the pun) ;D
Awesome job. From the navy blue get-up, to Hird, Jab & Bummer T left in his wake. My new wallpaper O0
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I am putting the acid on defence Coach Gavin Brown:
There were 2 snap shot forward pocket goals by the Port Forwards but no Carlton defender blocked the Half Forward / forward pocket space to prevent them running off the mark at right angles....
BASIC ERROR AND LAZY FOOTBALL.......
The Trengrove to Westhoff goal was a shocker....the bloke on the mark had his back to the play and was casually marking the turf when the Hoff strolled into kick the goal....the player on the mark and the player minding Westhoff should be doing a lot of pushups and running this week...
I am putting the acid on defence Coach Gavin Brown:
There were 2 snap shot forward pocket goals by the Port Forwards but no Carlton defender blocked the Half Forward / forward pocket space to prevent them running off the mark at right angles....
BASIC ERROR AND LAZY FOOTBALL.......
The Trengrove to Westhoff goal was a shocker....the bloke on the mark had his back to the play and was casually marking the turf when the Hoff strolled into kick the goal....the player on the mark and the player minding Westhoff should be doing a lot of pushups and running this week...
Andrew Walker come on down!
Kreuzer had 2 kicks and one handball. Nowhere near good enough for four quarters.
So drop Kreuzer and retain Casboult?
I am putting the acid on defence Coach Gavin Brown:
There were 2 snap shot forward pocket goals by the Port Forwards but no Carlton defender blocked the Half Forward / forward pocket space to prevent them running off the mark at right angles....
BASIC ERROR AND LAZY FOOTBALL.......
The Trengrove to Westhoff goal was a shocker....the bloke on the mark had his back to the play and was casually marking the turf when the Hoff strolled into kick the goal....the player on the mark and the player minding Westhoff should be doing a lot of pushups and running this week...
Andrew Walker come on down!
And he was singled out for that lapse in concentration... got some very unfavourable TV time, did Walks!
Reckon the acid will also be on Kreuz to actually do something on Sunday.
Kreuzer had 2 kicks and one handball. Nowhere near good enough for four quarters.
So drop Kreuzer and retain Casboult?
If Kreuzer can't play ruck, absolutely. Kreuzer has zero chance of taking a contested mark, never has and never will.
Kreuzer had 2 kicks and one handball. Nowhere near good enough for four quarters.
True PI2C, but Kreuzer did lay eight tackles and slotted a nice goal. He was also unlucky to miss out on a free for interference in a marking contest just outside the goalsquare.
I think Kreuzer is a player who needs to play himself into form. Hopefully, he'll be better for the run.
I am putting the acid on defence Coach Gavin Brown:
There were 2 snap shot forward pocket goals by the Port Forwards but no Carlton defender blocked the Half Forward / forward pocket space to prevent them running off the mark at right angles....
BASIC ERROR AND LAZY FOOTBALL.......
The Trengrove to Westhoff goal was a shocker....the bloke on the mark had his back to the play and was casually marking the turf when the Hoff strolled into kick the goal....the player on the mark and the player minding Westhoff should be doing a lot of pushups and running this week...
Walker's effort looked worse than it was; even if he had his eyes on the ball, he could never have got near enough to Westhoff to affect the kick. Westhoff's direct opponent probably should be in the gun.
Tuohy gets away with that play on an incredibly regular basis. Forwards must shut down defensively when the opposition is shooting for goal.
If Kreuzer can't play ruck, absolutely. Kreuzer has zero chance of taking a contested mark, never has and never will.
:o Gee... bit harsh Carrotto. I agree he didn't get enough of it on Saturday but surely that big mark in the the Port game would be classed as contested??? So there's one ;D
Kreuzer had 2 kicks and one handball. Nowhere near good enough for four quarters.
So drop Kreuzer and retain Casboult?
If Kreuzer can't play ruck, absolutely. Kreuzer has zero chance of taking a contested mark, never has and never will.
To me, we can only play one ruckman. Two rucks is waste. Watching VFL finals over the last few years Casboult always lifted about 8 notches and looked a real force every time. Be worth seeing if it can happen at the next level.
Which of the ruckmen to go with though? Warnock is another who has lifted hugely when it's come to September, both in ruck work and around the ground.
Interesting selections this week.
Personally, I think there is Buckley's hope of you blokes convincing MM to drop SpecialK and retain Casboult or Warnock.
If we go in with only one fit ruckmen, that will be SpecialK by a country mile!
If we go in with one ruckmen that is also a losing strategy, not duplicated by any of the other serious finalists.
- Hawks will run with two and Roughead as a 3rd option.
- Swans could go with up to four ruck options, counting White playing forward as a ruck option with Tippett returning.
- Freo will want to have two dedicated plus KPPs.
- Geelong four capable ruck options.
I cannot believe you took my earlier question seriously!!!
I would like to play 3 ruckmen but whenever we do we usually lose. We were getting smashed on Saturday until we subbed one off.
If Kreuzer can't play ruck, absolutely. Kreuzer has zero chance of taking a contested mark, never has and never will.
:o Gee... bit harsh Carrotto. I agree he didn't get enough of it on Saturday but surely that big mark in the the Port game would be classed as contested??? So there's one ;D
Not really, he was on the lead and it was put in front of him, if he is body on body or in a contested situation he struggles to even get his hands to the ball l;et alone mark it. Same with Warnock.
I would like to play 3 ruckmen but whenever we do we usually lose. We were getting smashed on Saturday until we subbed one off.
But Casboult is not a ruckmen, everyone keeps telling me that!
If he was a useful ruckmen, he would be much better value. Blokes like SpecialK and Warnock would not have to sprint the length of the ground to get to stoppages!
The top sides will set up ruck zones for the finals, especially Sydney and Geelong. Whoever takes the center bounce will either immediately zone off either forward or backwards as required by the game plan. They will not be required to traverse the full length of the ground to get to stoppages.
Finals are too fast, and under the current fast ball up rules rucks do not have the time to cover the ground. A single ruckmen would be cooked by quarter time.
Well I thought Duigan was good again when he came on and his presence had impact. I like him as a big body mid/tagger. If he can play this role he would be more than useful as he has an attacking frame of mind too. we know he can play half-back but can too as a half-forward or a mid drfiting forward IMO. Worth a shot again this week IMO.
We simply cannot bring all of Judd, Scotland and McLean in. Id only go with one of them if fit - hopefully thats Juddy.
Great win, partic that last qtr. Superb footy to watch!
Personally, I think there is Buckley's hope of you blokes convincing MM to drop SpecialK and retain Casboult or Warnock.
If we go in with only one fit ruckmen, that will be SpecialK by a country mile!
If we go in with one ruckmen that is also a losing strategy, not duplicated by any of the other serious finalists.
Hawks will run with two and Roughead as a 3rd option.
Swans could go with up to four ruck options, counting White playing forward as a ruck option with Tippett returning.
Freo will want to have two plus KPPs.
Geelong four capable ruck options.
I cannot believe you took my earlier question seriously!!!
We always do best with one and a back up. More often than not we're sh1t with 2. Doesn't add anything. Diminishes Kreuzer's affect as he is not good up forward. He suddenly becomes average if he's not first ruck. Collingwood and Richmond will be the same too. Hawthorn will go with 2 out of necessity with Buddy out, meaning Hale needs to spend more time forward. Hawthorn operate best with Hale, with back up from Roughhead. Not sure the Swans have been as good playing 2 rucks plus Tippett and White. Why would you do that when white and Tippett can ruck most proficiently. If you're looking to split between a bloke who can win a few taps and a bloke who can kick a couple of goals you'd go with the latter.
Maric would be too much for Kruezer IMO.....Warnock with his extra size was important last game in negating Maric...need to play the two rucks IMO plus Casboult as KP Forward...
Maric would be too much for Kruezer IMO.....Warnock with his extra size was important last game in negating Maric...need to play the two rucks IMO plus Casboult as KP Forward...
That's what I'm thinking. I'm okay with dropping Warnock as long as Kreuzer can handle the opposition ruck but Maric is too good for him.
We always do best with one and a back up. More often than not we're sh1t with 2. Doesn't add anything. Diminishes Kreuzer's affect as he is not good up forward. He suddenly becomes average if he's not first ruck. Collingwood and Richmond will be the same too. Hawthorn will go with 2 out of necessity with Buddy out, meaning Hale needs to spend more time forward. Hawthorn operate best with Hale, with back up from Roughhead. Not sure the Swans have been as good playing 2 rucks plus Tippett and White. Why would you do that when white and Tippett can ruck most proficiently. If you're looking to split between a bloke who can win a few taps and a bloke who can kick a couple of goals you'd go with the latter.
That is old fashioned thinking, Laj. The Swans go with all the big guys because it is their natural advantage and it works, there is no better game plan or team setup, just a winning team that plays to it's strengths.
Like it or not we have a significant ruck advantage over most clubs that we have greatly failed to capitalise on, it is my opinion that we need to engineer the game plan to suit our strengths. It is pointless playing a marking KPF game plan if we have no marking KPF or if we have to bastardise our backline to try and fashion one! I'd rather see two Amigos up forward with a tackling forward like Armfield or Robinson and a tall like Kreuzer or Casboult inside F50 bringing the ball to ground. In my opinion the best football we played this year was early in the season when we had a series of narrow losses to top four sides. All games had combinations of Kreuzer, Rowe, Hampson and Casboult playing bringing the ball to ground from long fast entries of the HBF by the likes of Walker, Tuohy and Gibbs. In addition opposition rucks were being dominated, and all that happened when our midfield was hopelessly out of form! If we added an in form Yarran running off the HBF to that mix I think it would be our most damaging combination.
I am with @EB1 we need both playing plus Casboult but Casboult's performance will be critical. If he puts in another one like the last two we are shot, he could be our most important player this week.
Maric would be too much for Kruezer IMO.....Warnock with his extra size was important last game in negating Maric...need to play the two rucks IMO plus Casboult as KP Forward...
That's what I'm thinking. I'm okay with dropping Warnock as long as Kreuzer can handle the opposition ruck but Maric is too good for him.
It was great to see Warnock get pissed off and hand out some of the treatment he cops week after week. Opposition rucks jump early and bury their feet or knees into his thighs and midriff, and they get away with it. Warnock returned the favor against Port a couple of times after half time, he got pinged for doing it twice, but it also stopped the opponents doing the same dead in their tracks.
As for Kreuzer, we should be bitching it up like Collingwood does whenever Cloke gets his arms chopped. I haven't seen an opponent make contact with the ball yet when Kreuzer jumps from in front!
Like this?
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Wow good get, and holding his head for safe keeping.
Isn't that high contact???
Or is it just an accident that you make contact with a jumping 206cm tall players head, A La Corey Enright!!!
I think Warnock might be safe.
I think the choice is Kreuzer v Casboult.
Given MM is a Kreuzer fan and (IMO) a better defensive player, I think he'll go with Kruezer and go with extra speed or a attack on the footy.
I think MM would like to keep Duigan in.
I think MM would like to keep Duigan in.
If Murphy and Simpson had bot had such a good game I would be more confident in Duigan keeping his place. Given Curnow had such a good game, Ellard and Duigan seem to be the only natural outs assuming Casboult stays in.
McInnes might not be safe, was struggling a bit and Waite did OK up forward which suggests Hendo can safely go back. In our previous games against Nthmond the tall backs haven't figured heavily. It has been our midfield and rucks that did the damage.
McInnes not sold on him at all after the Scum brain fade and he looked less than sure against the Power.
McInnes not sold on him at all after the Scum brain fade and he looked less than sure against the Power.
Apart form that howler against Ess, he gets the job done. You dont notice him and his man never really inflicts damage i think he plays and is a valuable defender. If Scotland comes back he will add confidence to that back line..
Cannot see us making that many changes to a winning team entering a final.
Possible Ins:
Judd
McLean
Scotland
Possible Outs:
Duigan
Ellard
McInnes
Casboult
Warnock
Kreuzer
Maybe it is time for MMs boy Bootsma to get another run, or Lucas!
Cannot see us making that many changes to a winning team entering a final.
Possible Ins:
Judd
McLean
Scotland
Possible Outs:
Duigan
Ellard
McInnes
Casboult
Warnock
Kreuzer
Maybe it is time for MMs boy Bootsma to get another run, or Lucas!
If Brock has a quad, as reported, it'd be surprising for him to return after just 1 week. Reckon Juddy is a monty and Scotto is 50/50. No way I could see Lucas handling finals pressure after his form tapered so badly and didn't improve in the NBs. Please, let's put some Kgs on and strength into Boots before we bring him back to the top level again.
Can't see Warnock being dropped, nor McInnes. Duigan deserves another gig after his effort against the Pt.
For all his great endeavour, reckon Davey Ellard was exposed for his size and would be a certain omission.
Although Meat and Kreuz both deserve to be dropped after pathetic games on Sat night, they'll be perservered with... maybe Rowey for Meat.
Wouldn't surprise me if Robbo's under selection pressure.
I think Warnock might be safe.
I think the choice is Kreuzer v Casboult.
Given MM is a Kreuzer fan and (IMO) a better defensive player, I think he'll go with Kruezer and go with extra speed or a attack on the footy.
I think MM would like to keep Duigan in.
Depends who's available obviously from Judd, Brock and Scotto.
Think your right about Warnock as MM made favourable mention of him after the game. I think he would then go with Kreuz rather than Casboult - it was not a good sign for him that he was substituted so early, although he wasn't complimentary to Kreuzer. Kreuz offers more flexibility though IMO. In fact MM may look to go smaller/quicker so Casboult might be out anyway.
Be interesting if all three are all available - if so then Ellard would be next out IMO . It would be then between Duigan and McInnes. Again I think Duigs offers more flexibility so maybe McInnes would be unlucky.
For all his great endeavour, reckon Davey Ellard was exposed for his size and would be a certain omission.
Is Ellard the perfect tagger for King?
I'd like to see Lucas come in for sure.
Re Davey Ellard I agree with Baggers, he is too lightweight and has little physical presence. Haven't seen him crack into the packs like he was circa 2010-2011 for quite some time. If he's not doing that he's not worth his spot IMO.
For all his great endeavour, reckon Davey Ellard was exposed for his size and would be a certain omission.
Is Ellard the perfect tagger for King?
King would be too physical IMO.......Ellard is a trier but thats all, we rock up with him vs Richmond and we will lose.....
If you could make him tackle rather than bump, Bell would do not too bad on King.
We always do best with one and a back up. More often than not we're sh1t with 2. Doesn't add anything. Diminishes Kreuzer's affect as he is not good up forward. He suddenly becomes average if he's not first ruck. Collingwood and Richmond will be the same too. Hawthorn will go with 2 out of necessity with Buddy out, meaning Hale needs to spend more time forward. Hawthorn operate best with Hale, with back up from Roughhead. Not sure the Swans have been as good playing 2 rucks plus Tippett and White. Why would you do that when white and Tippett can ruck most proficiently. If you're looking to split between a bloke who can win a few taps and a bloke who can kick a couple of goals you'd go with the latter.
That is old fashioned thinking, Laj. The Swans go with all the big guys because it is their natural advantage and it works, there is no better game plan or team setup, just a winning team that plays to it's strengths.
Like it or not we have a significant ruck advantage over most clubs that we have greatly failed to capitalise on, it is my opinion that we need to engineer the game plan to suit our strengths. It is pointless playing a marking KPF game plan if we have no marking KPF or if we have to bastardise our backline to try and fashion one! I'd rather see two Amigos up forward with a tackling forward like Armfield or Robinson and a tall like Kreuzer or Casboult inside F50 bringing the ball to ground. In my opinion the best football we played this year was early in the season when we had a series of narrow losses to top four sides. All games had combinations of Kreuzer, Rowe, Hampson and Casboult playing bringing the ball to ground from long fast entries of the HBF by the likes of Walker, Tuohy and Gibbs. In addition opposition rucks were being dominated, and all that happened when our midfield was hopelessly out of form! If we added an in form Yarran running off the HBF to that mix I think it would be our most damaging combination.
I am with @EB1 we need both playing plus Casboult but Casboult's performance will be critical. If he puts in another one like the last two we are shot, he could be our most important player this week.
What applies to other sides doesn't apply to us. What's an advantage on one side can be a weakness on the other. With us, if we play too many talls we just get run off as our defensively pressure/ability isn't still what it should be. We kill one ruckman off in a game when we play two of them .Our strength is in our run, don't see the point of playing a second ruck for the sake of a few taps.
Not sure about old fashioned. Thought playing one ruck plus a back up was pretty normal. Swans we certainly better earlier on in the year with less talls. Hawthorn often use one ruck and Roughead but may get away with playing too simply because of the type of tall Buddy is. They soon sub out Bailey the moment they lack run though. IF Watson was fit we could play both Henderson and Waite forward. Because of the type of player Waite is then we could play 2 rucks more successfully. Seeing Watson is out though one of Hendo or Waite has to go back meaning I'd prefer Casboult to an extra ruckman. Having a bloke who can take a contested mark forward, given the far more contested nature of finals, is more important than an extra ruck. Our ruckmen are useless up forward. Other side's rucks play forward more proficient than ours.
If we are going to play a more running game and we are looking to exert a lot of forward pressure (in the form of tackling and harassment) on the oppo. defensive set up then I think it's pretty sure one of Casboult or Kreuzer won't play. This is based on what I saw last Sat in Adelaide.
Since this is a final I think MM will select Kreuzer to play because of his greater flexibilty and forward defensive skills, despite his quiet game on Sat.
Vlad admits clash jumpers were a "stuff up."
Really? ::)
Vlad admits clash jumpers were a "stuff up."
Really? ::)
They really are dumb and dumber down there at AFL House imo - more employees than Carlton supporters yet they still drop the ball, time after time.
How about Franklin only getting 1 week - compare that hit on Malcejski (sp?) to Betts high 'hit' earlier in the year..... i think Betts got 3 or 4.
I reckon he will do the unthinkable and drop Kreuzer.
Kreuzer isn't 100% so if doesn't play he'll be out injured.
Don't think any player is 100% this time of the year, if he doesn't play he's been dropped IMO.
Hawthorn often use one ruck and Roughead but may get away with playing too simply because of the type of tall Buddy is. They soon sub out Bailey the moment they lack run though.
The fact they run with Bailey for 1/2 to 3/4 of a game allows the other rucks to run out the full game. If he wasn't there they would be cooked by 1/2 time, Roughead would not be so sprightly if he had to ruck from the first bounce. If you do not agree with this then explain why they used Spangher to give Hale and Roughead a chop out? I suspect they will do the same again this week and assuming Bailey is fit he will be the preferred option not Spangher.
That leads me to another matter, the smart use of subs. MM was forced to use Duigan earlier than he would normally and it paid off. By default MM and most other clubs leave their sub sitting on the bench getting cold for 3/4 in case someone gets injured, in the interim they often lead a spud running around the ground for 3/4s having stuff all influence and wasting space. That is a a dead set moronic position to take, MM is set in the mindset that the sub is an emergency player. At the weekend Port was getting away from us, almost 40 points up by halftime with no second chances left for us, so MM had no choice but to drag Casboult and activate Duigan. It paid off and we won, yet I suspect he will go back to a benched sub this week, will he ever learn that clubs like Dawkthorn and the Swans are using the sub tactically instead of as an emergency?
So if Murphy had a shocker on Saturday night and Carlton made the call to not play him this week and put him into surgery you would call that dropped?
Turn it up.
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If Kreuzer had surgery different story. I don't think he needs surgery. Nice try though. ;)
This Kreuzer debate is a crazy debate, if SpecialK is fit he plays plain and simple.
If Kreuzer had surgery different story. I don't think he needs surgery. Nice try though. ;)
I used Murph as an example and all you took from it was No sugery, No injury? Remarkable.
If Kreuzer had surgery different story. I don't think he needs surgery. Nice try though. ;)
I used Murph as an example and all you took from it was No sugery, No injury? Remarkable.
Like I said, everyone is nursing injury this time of the year, to say Kreuzer isn't 100% so therefore if he doesn't play he's injured is BS. Regardless, rather than engage in boring one line pot shots with you, I'll just let you wallow in your own ineptitude.
Going by last Saturday Kreuzer was about 20%. Is that injured?
Fev played about 6 weeks with one of the worst groin tears the surgeon had ever seen, was he injured?
Like I said, everyone is nursing injury this time of the year, to say Kreuzer isn't 100% so therefore if he doesn't play he's injured is BS. Nonetheless, rather than engage in boring one line pot shots with you, I'll just let you wallow in your own ineptitude.
No if he doesn't play he is injured and that is the reasonable and correct assessment.
Injuries being carried by players at this time of year are not a black and white issues, of course some injuries can be carried while other cannot and the conclusion that a player has been dropped because a club says he is injured is an incorrect conclusion. Probably a conclusion based on a confirmation bias.
@LP
Can you repeat that in English? Those words do not reflect anything I said. What I did say was if Kreuzer is dropped, to assume it's due to injury is not correct. I guess it's a possibility. He had 3 touches in 4 quarters of footy. Pretty simple from where I sit.
I'm going by MM's post match presser where he wasn't happy with Kreuzer's performance and said nothing about injury. He praised Warnock. If Kreuzer doesn't play he's been dropped IMO, which I gathered from the coaches words, not some bias crap you talk about. In fact your bias would be showing in full force should Kreuzer get dropped and Meat keep his place. Just sayin....
@MBB
So you think Kreuzer played in the most important game of the year at 20% fitness and that's why he performed so poorly, had nothing to do with form. LMAO whatever you say mate, even if it makes no sense at all.
Can you repeat that in English? Those words do not reflect anything I said. What I did say was if Kreuzer is dropped, to assume it;'s due to injury is not correwct. Pretty simple from where I sit.
It cannot be the case that if you base an argument on an assumption that only that assumption can correct, and that counter assumptions negating your case cannot.
As I read it you are arguing based on an assumptions that support your position and you in defense of your case you are effectively arguing that MBBs counter argument is invalid because it is based on assumptions. You have created a logical ambiguity.
Both cases are based entirely that the assumption that the supporting assumption is correct and the counter assumption is not. Both are equally correct, or equally wrong!
Difference being I put mine out there as opinion, MBB did not.
Listening to Bryce on SEN he too praised Warnock and credited him for starting the comeback.
Very big call to go with out Kruz though
@MBB
So you think Kreuzer played in the most important game of the year at 20% fitness and that's why he performed so poorly, had nothing to do with form. LMAO whatever you say mate, even if it makes no sense at all.
Why didn't Kreuzer play against the Bombers?
Listening to Bryce on SEN he too praised Warnock and credited him for starting the comeback.
Very big call to go with out Kruz though
I agree with Bryce to some extent, I think Warnock did lift after 1/2 time, but for me the question is why didn't he put in for the first half with just as much vigor?
As for going without Kreuzer and leaving Warnock effectively rucking solo, he may have had nothing left in the tank after 1/2 time and any lift at all would be out of the question! And Warnock is a massive basket to be putting all your eggs in, some may say a basket case!
On the counter argument to play both, Warnock is 206cm and if he is fresh and running at the end of a game he doesn't get any shorter! Kreuzer may not have got much effective ball in the ruck, but his tackling and chasing were second to none and that certainly impacts on the freshness of the opposition.
Last time we played a final Warnock was mighty against Cox and NicNat. He was also very good up against Hille and Ryder the week before.
Maric is a different type of player to those two though.
Listening to Bryce on SEN he too praised Warnock and credited him for starting the comeback.
Very big call to go with out Kruz though
Yes, that is echoing what MM said after the game. If a tall is to be dropped, it won't be Warnock. As I've said, my money's on Casboult.
Listening to Bryce on SEN he too praised Warnock and credited him for starting the comeback.
Very big call to go with out Kruz though
Yes, that is echoing what MM said after the game. If a tall is to be dropped, it won't be Warnock. As I've said, my money's on Casboult.
I think Levi has to play to make Rance, Chaplin and Grimes accountable he will out mark any of them and play him out of the square it will give us such a greater ability to let waite or hendo get of the leash a bit.
@LP I agree Kruz second and third efforts were awesome and will be just as telling against the tigers
Richmond would be happy if Casboult didn't play.
Last time we played a final Warnock was mighty against Cox and NicNat. He was also very good up against Hille and Ryder the week before.
Maric is a different type of player to those two though.
I agree, historically Warnock doesn't go so well against the physical likes of Maric, Mumford, Hudson or Minson. But at the moment he is our only option, Rowe and Casboult are of negligible impact in rucking contests and offer almost nil 2nd and 3rd efforts.
In context of Saturday Warnock did lift, but he did so against a couple of rookie type ruckmen which you would expect him to dominate, not against an Ivan Maric type!
People can criticise SpecialK for his effectiveness in the ruck and that was justified, even SpecialK would admit he did not have a good one. He is injured no doubt because he isn't jumping with any vigor or result. But that is just one of many ways to evaluate his presence. Was he less or more effective than Casboult inside F50, not really I did not see SpecialK get out marked despite his lack of form!
Lately we lose more clearances than we win, and the 2nd efforts become more critical. Following up when you hit the ground and driving opposition mids, KPPs and defenders in the turf with tackle after tackle is a big positive. SpecialK is the only ruck we have that does this, he gets up off the deck like a mid and lays tackle after tackle. In this regard Warnock offers us almost nothing, and Levi is often out of the contest after his first effort even when he stays on his feet!
Rowe needs another uninterrupted pre-season, but there are no guarantees, plain and simple.
Richmond would be happy if Casboult didn't play.
They would be even happier if Kreuzer doesn't!
this will be a classic underdog game. we shouldn't even be there, that will be a bogey the tigers may not be comfortable with, that along with the expectation of no finals in 12 years