Practice your teeth gnashing now.
IM already sick of the 400 odd days without a game for the suspended drug cheats who have had an injustice against them.
At least thats what old man Watson is allowed to call it on radio.
IM already sick of the 400 odd days without a game for the suspended drug cheats who have had an injustice against them.
At least thats what old man Watson is allowed to call it on radio.
I heard that too, almost drove off the road....
You mean Tim Watson, father of drug cheat Jobe?
Thats the one Prof.
He was interviewing Jake Melksham last week, and asked him about the "injustice" of the players being banned.
These psychofantic idiots dont get it. No one corrected him, and hearing Basil Zempilas commentate their match was extra cringeworthy with the pandering to the drug cheats.
Made me sick in Rd1 when Ch7 equated the return of Roughy after beating cancer with the return of the banned Essendon players >:(
I still have no respect for Jobe. He was keen to organise a sit-down protest against the sub rule on the grounds of player welfare. But he did stuff all when his players were being jabbed repeatedly offsite in a secret drugs program. Wonder if Jobe discussed this with Timmy before agreeing to it (in which case Timmy would certainly want to dodge personal responsibility).
Made me sick in Rd1 when Ch7 equated the return of Roughy after beating cancer with the return of the banned Essendon players >:(
I still have no respect for Jobe. He was keen to organise a sit-down protest against the sub rule on the grounds of player welfare. But he did stuff all when his players were being jabbed repeatedly offsite in a secret drugs program. Wonder if Jobe discussed this with Timmy before agreeing to it (in which case Timmy would certainly want to dodge personal responsibility).
Said the same thing at the time, Roughys comeback was a tonic to a lot of cancer sufferers but CH7 dedicated their telecast to the EFC's banned players and got heir priorities all
wrong...or maybe they didnt and the AFL wanted their bottom line enhanced with Essendon back in the fold and successful and thats all that mattered, I'm thinking the latter.
Jobe and his old man make me puke....
What i dont understand is the constant "there hard done by and were deceived by upper management" were talking about full grown adults, whose job is that of staying fit and healthy, surely no one in their right mind would not think to investigate why this is happening, or discuss with powers that be, im old school when it comes to drug cheats, their is no accident when taking substances their body is their work check before entering
You know what I don't accept or understand?
How is it that a club who has multiple salary cap breaches doesn't have this history factored into any penalty related to their drug cheating, especially since it was a penalty based on governance breaches.
What also infuriates me is that, for instance, a 12 year old gymnast who would probably put more trust in his/her coach given their age would be subjected to the standard penalty for any drug offences without any uproar, but the Essendon players were victims of trusting coaches and management and have no responsibility for what they are injected with.
This is the logic of our media. Its absurd. These players are legal adults, and are educated on PED's etc and who they need to contact if they have any queries. And its conveniently forgotten that these players were deceptive in reporting information when questioned by ASADA. And this makes them victims.
How can you take the AFL seriously, when they treat the general public like fools.
You know what I don't accept or understand?
How is it that a club who has multiple salary cap breaches doesn't have this history factored into any penalty related to their drug cheating, especially since it was a penalty based on governance breaches.
What also infuriates me is that, for instance, a 12 year old gymnast who would probably put more trust in his/her coach given their age would be subjected to the standard penalty for any drug offences without any uproar, but the Essendon players were victims of trusting coaches and management and have no responsibility for what they are injected with.
This is the logic of our media. Its absurd. These players are legal adults, and are educated on PED's etc and who they need to contact if they have any queries. And its conveniently forgotten that these players were deceptive in reporting information when questioned by ASADA. And this makes them victims.
How can you take the AFL seriously, when they treat the general public like fools.
Again, they can think/say whatever they like. The unwritten code for ALL athletes in the world is the THE ATHLETE IS RESPONSIBLE for everything they put in their bodies (injected or ingested). It's that fecking simple EOS. They can sign forms, play dumb, play smart, whatever. The athlete is responsible.
...and this is why we don't start the post game thread until POST game.
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...and this is why we don't start the post game thread until POST game.
;)
How did we go? ;D
I'll lock it until after the game...someone will have to remind me to re-open it ;)
Post game thread is open :D
We played so very smart wet weather football. Never thought we had that type of smarts in us..lol.
No more white on the monogram please..lol.
Da dada dada....
Yaaaay.
Tommy played great.
Great wet weather footy by the boys
We should have won by five goals!
Going to have to wait and watch on replay.
What a great win though, if we were to win one game and that game influenced Essendon missing finals I would just about be prepared to accept that season.
6 players with 8 or more tackles including Kreuzer and 2 kids.
Great work blue boys
Can we rename the tread to Post Game JUBILATION. come on it doesn't happen often
Great effort.
We kept the pressure on all day. not our usual one good quarter job.
Well done boys . Some very good performances there.
Matthew Lloyd eat sh1t.
Yesssss!!!!
I would've been shattered if we let that one slip..... better team all day well deserved win.
Great team effort.
Great effort Blues, and who better to beat! Guts and determination combined with smart play in the conditions. Morale boosting!
Hang on we won and the Dawks are getting thumped by GC...pinch me please.
Great effort Blues, and who better to beat! Guts and determination combined with smart play in the conditions. Morale boosting!
Yep, gutsy.
Matthew Lloyd eat sh1t.
Yesssss!!!!
Yes, then he can keep regurgitating it. :)
We're getting more and more new, young players into the side and it could well be making a difference, as it did for Freo last night.
Plowman marchbank macredie doc rowe..... the rock of gebrolta today.
Loving Williamson and sps today.
Murph bog.
Kruez inspirational.
Special mention to Caz today. Crashed packs all day.
Well done boys.
Fantastic.
BB must have said something before the game because it looked like we wanted to play from the start.
Matthew Lloyd eat sh1t.
Yesssss!!!!
X2.
Bloody knob.
Awesome stuff. That was heart and soul stuff there.
I am so anti-Rowe usually, but his play at the end when he ran straight at the ball coming in to the backline, knocked it forward and won the ball was just amazing stuff, game winning stuff.
Well done boys, remember that effort, and remember the reward!
Plowman marchbank macredie doc rowe..... the rock of gebrolta today.
Loving Williamson and sps today.
Murph B.O.G.
Kruez inspirational.
Special mention to Caz today. Crashed packs all day.
Well done boys.
Fantastic.
Hang on we won and the Dawks are getting thumped by GC...pinch me please.
Live ladder has Hawthorn on the bottom...lol.
I'm singing in the rain ...
Love the efforts of the young ones. Surely we HAVE to keep playing them now.
Had a horrible feeling in the 3rd Q when the umps' sympathy for the drug cheats started coming to the fore and we kept missing, but .... CHEATS NEVER PROSPER! ;D
As well as the new boys, I just thought Kreuzer's game was absolutely HUGE. Unbelievable heart that guy.
How disappointed did BT sound when it was obvious we were gonna win?!? Ha ha!
We played so very smart wet weather football. Never thought we had that type of smarts in us..lol.
I think that the weather worked in our favour to be honest, but that said it was one of our better recent wins because of our sheer persistence.
Votes will be awful hard and some deserving will miss out, but the two standouts for me were Docherty and Kreuzer, and Murphy's two goals out of nowhere were worth their weight in gold on a day like today.
If there's been one criticism of us in recent years it's that from time to time we've looked like we were going through the motions but there was no sign of that today, I couldn't be happier with my team.
Never in doubt.
I'd say the game today was a foundation stone for our future. As James Brown once sung, "I feel good".
Going to have to wait and watch on replay.
What a great win though, if we were to win one game and that game influenced Essendon missing finals I would just about be prepared to accept that season.
6 players with 8 or more tackles including Kreuzer and 2 kids.
Great work blue boys
Yep. A win against the bombers in any given year, is a good year.
Great win!
Murphy was superb with 10 tackles and 2 brilliant goals. Doherty's second half was great and kreuzer plowed on.
We were better coached and played much smarter in the game, preferring to kick over handball.
Nothing beats beating that mob
Yep. A win against the bombers in any given year, is a good year.
Ahem, R21, 2012.
Back 6 did not miss a beat today under trying conditions. Fantasia got a bath, Hooker and the 204cm dud with a famous surname couldnt get near it. Rowe, Doc, Marchy, Macca, Simmo and Plow were fantastic today. Williamson did some run with stuff with Parish and even Heppel, showed the other more experienced mids what defensive pressure means.
Ed was ok on Merrett/Heppell eventually.
Kruze just worked his ass off and was mauled on and off the ball without any reward from the Umps.
The Skipper played some sort of a game.
SPS and Pickett were very composed in the weather.
Same old culprits nearly cost us the game, conditions were not conducive to goal kicking but we were pretty bad.
Our young fellas with the skipper really lead the way today.
A bigger F-wit than BT you will not find. Absolutely sh1thouse call.
Ahem, R21, 2012.
If it gives us bragging rights against the bombers, its a good year.
A bigger F-wit than BT you will not find. Absolutely sh1thouse call.
He went on about the EFC deliberate for 5 minutes meanwhile We got a tough holding the man calland didn't even mention it. His bias is embarrrassing.
If it gives us bragging rights against the bombers, its a good year.
I'm glad you think 2012 was a good year.
Let's see what our return bout in R20 brings.
A bigger F-wit than BT you will not find. Absolutely sh1thouse call.
Yep, time the blithering fool was retired.
All the young guys got stuck in today, plenty to like and look forward to with that win.
Pickett made a couple of costly errors though, dropped mark (possibly due to footsteps) and missed the pick up which would have resulted in a goal/ shot on goals.
Well done blues.
Andrew McGrath will be a fantastic player.
But if last year's draft were held today and I had to choose between McGrath and SPS, I know who I'd be picking...
Yes!!!!!! What a day super happy
Some great performances in tough conditions
Nothing sweater than beating the bombers
And a long time coming hearing our song
Go the blues
Ed is but a tradesman but did an immense amount of heavy work inside today.
Pickett shows glimpses but looks like a player who hasnt played a lot of footy.
A few blokes at cheats FC overrated, past it or been a bit pumped up by the media.
IMO we got a better than normal run with the umps in the end.
Only watched the last quarter but was totally in raptures with Docherty's desperation & will to win.
Also liked the way the players are sticking up for each other when needed plus how much they have bonded together. They were all smiles and hugging after the siren which is an important factor for the future.
A close-knit group will win games they are not expected to in the future !!
Gotta give Gibbs a mention, one of the best games I've seen from him, 35 possessions and 9 tackles, I'll take that from a midfielder any day, thought he was tireless and influential
What a great win under very trying conditions!!
I think that it would be grossly unfair to single out players who may have appeared to be under par because they all worked their butts off.
I do have one criticism though; flat punts are easier to execute than drop punts on days like today.
Among the many positives were Williamson's debut (not bad for pick 61), Docherty starting to get back to last year's form and, with the the rest of the defence, starving the Essendon forwards of opportunities. White, in particular, revelled in the conditions. Of course, the midfield played a big part in our defensive effort and Gibbs, Murphy, Cripps, Curnow, Kreuzer, Wright and others deserve recognition ... as does everyone who took the field today.
Go Blues!
Ed is but a tradesman but did an immense amount of heavy work inside today.
Pickett shows glimpses but looks like a player who hasnt played a lot of footy.
A few blokes at cheats FC overrated, past it or been a bit pumped up by the media.
IMO we got a better than normal run with the umps in the end.
What have you got against trademen?
Without tradesmen the world would crumble.
Same with the footy side.
We have a few like that in the side that people seem to constantly point fingers at.
Curnow, White....even Rowe in the past.
Only watched the last quarter but was totally in raptures with Docherty's desperation & will to win.
Docherty goes at it just the same if you're 10 goals down or 10 goals up, he's something special.
Yep, if I had first pick I wouldn't taken MacGrath, thought he was bullied off the ball and he struggled with the intensity....long time since we did that to one of theirs. SPS has much better touch and game sense.
Tom Wlliamson's fisrt half was something to get excited about, Macreadie keeps looking like he can play, and SPS could well end up being very special
I don't have a problem with tradies (I'm Labouring ATM), just flogs in utes flouting the road rules who claim to be builders when all they do it stick pre-made trusses together with plates.
Couldn't cut a line without a drop saw and would still #$#! it up.
Tom Wlliamson's first half was something to get excited about, Macreadie keeps looking like he can play, and SPS could well end up being very special
7 blokes under 21, 5 of them teenagers.
Tom Wlliamson's fisrt half was something to get excited about, Macreadie keeps looking like he can play, and SPS could well end up being very special
Got to love a left footer who can kick...Williamson has composure and is a decent size kid for a newbie.... really good debut and a player we can get excited about....
Andrew McGrath will be a fantastic player.
But if last year's draft were held today and I had to choose between McGrath and SPS, I know who I'd be picking...
McGrath looks solid but his composure and awareness isnt what SPS has.....I agree our rman looks the goods, has a nice move where he fakes right to kick but kicks across his left foot and
usually to advantage....
His mate Pickett will be ok too...messed up a few times today but I feel SPS is more of an adaptable player in the wet unlike Pickett who plays the same way regardless of the conditions...
Well.... That was a sensational performance from the first bounce. We just kept on attacking despite the dismal point by point scoring. IMO we were better all day, would have been robbery if we'd lost.
Our leaders really took our youngsters on a journey. A very rewarding journey, vital for their development. They know what it takes to grind on for 4 quarters and stick to team first.
Take a bow: Murphy, Gibbs, MK, Rowe, Simmo. Ed and White did a solid job too. Leading by example certainly got the result today. Teaching bt inspiration -
I like it Bolts.
Bummers leaders on the contrary were simply sh%&t. Maybe all that injustice has caught up with them >:D
The youngsters were just sensational. We could expect nothing more than what they gave today. Looked up at their leaders and turned on the magic. I'm a very proud bluebagger with a hoarse voice ;D
Congratulations to: young Docherty, Marchbank, McCreadie, Weiters, the Plow, Crippa, Sammo, & Pickett (gradually building). Tom Williamson, what a debut.
Probably forgotten a few. Voting will be a headache. But I'll take that ;)
;D ;D ;D
He went on about the EFC deliberate for 5 minutes meanwhile We got a tough holding the man calland didn't even mention it. His bias is embarrrassing.
Not to mention what Parish did the same things Simpson earlier in the game. Tried to let it run out but it spun back to a Da play so he had to go and get it.
Just a great effort. Hard to find a really bad player although there were a couple of blokes who were below par. The kids were fantastic today. I reckon Plowman was our best defender again this week. A welcome return to form by Docherty, thank God. Rowe has now played 3 good games in a row. Today being his best. Can he have turned the corner? I'm still sceptical but he
Great first up for Williamson. Our no 1's were no.1 today.If Kreuzer can stay fit well, who knows.
Just a great all around effort. Perfect wet weather play, especially after half time.
Go Blues!
Murphy played his best game for years and was BOG easily....
Lachie Plowman gets better every week...super steady down back and was well supported by Sam Rowe who continues to impress with his defensively ability and leadership.
Simon White....best game for a long while, enjoyed the conditions and his ball use which has been RS in the past was excellent today....
Kruezer has a good battle with Luenberger and more than held his own...Casboult was good support and while not being able to hold many marks did contest well ...
Great win and lets follow it up by beating GC next week...
Live ladder has Hawthorn on the bottom...lol.
Tanking
I don't have a problem with tradies (I'm Labouring ATM), just flogs in utes flouting the road rules who claim to be builders when all they do it stick pre-made trusses together with plates.
Couldn't cut a line without a drop saw and would still #$#! it up.
lol...fair enough.
@ EB
Great win and lets follow it up by beating GC next week...
They belted the Hawks by around a tonne :))
A few unexpected results this round. The best of course, Blues over the drug cheats ^-^
williamson, mccredie sps, there's a few there, pickett will improve.
The endeavor today was outstanding. hope it rains for all our games!
Parko's three debutantes rule has been shown not to hold up. Perhaps his teams didn't have the same desire, desperation and inspiring leadership :)
Greg Williams can eat his words, apology will not be accepted.
Besides we unearthed the next Williamson today!
Greg Williams can eat his words, apology will not be accepted.
Besides we unearthed the next Williamson today!
what did he say?
Parko's three debutantes rule has been shown not to hold up. Perhaps his teams didn't have the same desire, desperation and inspiring leadership :)
Times have changed.
Back then the debutants spent over half the game on the pine anyway.
williamson, mccredie sps, there's a few there, pickett will improve.
The endeavor today was outstanding. hope it rains for all our games!
Too true thrunthrublue ^-^
Let it rain
Parko's three debutantes rule has been shown not to hold up. Perhaps his teams didn't have the same desire, desperation and inspiring leadership :)
to be fair, parkos rule had a lot to do with pigs arse attitude to rebuilds.
Coaches were scared to debut too many as it often resulted in losses, which inturn cost coaching jobs
what did he say?
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-04-06/almost-treason-don-diesel-riles-rhysjones
How hilarious. The pharmacist coach reports the drug cheats still FINDING THEIR CHEMISTRY ^-^ :D :) just hilarious, but I'm sure the world will excuse it if they find it....
Could only watch second half.
Thought the umpiring was deplorable against both teams, but was really happy that three obvious frees within about a minute to the drug cheats, were not paid in the last quarter.
Just as an aside, the one thing destroying the game today, is the appalling umpiring that we ALL have to put up with.
I have been an ongoing critic of Rowe, but thought the half I saw him play today was very good, and I'll always give credit when it's due, even if I believe that he's not, nor has ever been, up to AFL standards. I put it down to the conditions. He's as slow as a wet weekend, pardon the pun, and on a dry day he's hopeless. But today, the wet track brought everyone back to his snails pace.
You will all cover the good players and have already.
So I'll cover two main negatives that drive me nuts every week.
One is the giving away of stupid imbecilic frees in our back line by our defenders and others hanging on to their opponents. Curnow did it last week against Melbourne after Levi had taken a mark 20 metres out directly in front that he would have taken, despite Ed Curnows stupid interference. Curnow is a repeat offender, and it costs us.
But he's not the only one. Marchbank did it today and it cost us a goal on a day when goals were as rare as hens teeth. This lack of intelligence and discipline must be eradicated because if they don't know by now, the umpires are right onto it.
Secondly. We need to sack our forward coach, Watson. I have spoken to him, and he is about as unimpressive a "coach" as I have ever met. It is inexcusable to miss from 30-40 metres out, either directly in front or on a slight angle.
The most obvious issue today was that the players, including Gibbs in the third quarter, and Palmer, ran in too close to the man on the mark. thereby hooking the ball every time. How difficult is it, to educate men who are earning between 150 and 600 grand a year to take an extra 5 metre run up before shooting for goal so that they are not within a metre of the man on the mark when they kick.
All in all, it has been a long time since I have been as proud of the guts, determination and effort put in by our very young team, as I have been today.
And, if Samo was a woman, and I was 50 years younger, I'd marry him!! What a star in the making.
@bignic
It might be mixed emotions for you today. All our Sam's were sensational today. No more than the big fella. Sam Kerridge less sensational but did his job.
Rowe just about played his best game for the club today.
Parko's three debutantes rule has been shown not to hold up. Perhaps his teams didn't have the same desire, desperation and inspiring leadership :)
There were more players inside the circle than on the outside of it when they were singing the song ;)......well almost ;D
Rowe just about played his best game for the club today.
Rowe has played plenty of 'best games' during his time at the club. They are quickly forgotten however.
He was, what, top 6 in the B+F last year? Give the bloke some credit, he does his job more often than not.
Rowe has played plenty of 'best games' during his time at the club. They are quickly forgotten however.
He was, what, top 6 in the B+F last year? Give the bloke some credit, he does his job more often than not.
X2
He has some impressive scalps hanging from his belt!
Only negative for me was Thomas, again, just not close to AFL standard
Rowe has played plenty of 'best games' during his time at the club. They are quickly forgotten however.
He was, what, top 6 in the B+F last year? Give the bloke some credit, he does his job more often than not.
Apart from the fascination with ball punching, I don't get the Rowe hate. He's been more than handy for a couple of seasons now. Happy to have him down back.
Rowe just about played his best game for the club today.
I agree. He's been building with each game. Having some reliable talent around him, and taking on a leadership role is suiting him well.
Funnny how we see games, Gibb really annoyed me today, couple of lazy missed shots on goal and a bazillion hacked kicks foward (many on his left side) to nobody, but a heap of tackles and got to every contest all day so couldn't fault the effort.... Simpson similar (constantly caught on wrong side) but kept getting to the drop of the ball. Contrasted with Palmer who had an awful first half but applied manic pressure in the second which locked the ball in and really exposed the bummer's small backs. Wouldn't place any in the best but still made critical contributions.
Pickett struggled in the wet but looks like he could kick a bag one day, needs game time. Burnt three goals today.
X2
He has some impressive scalps hanging from his belt!
x3...Liked his work on Daniher and we would struggle to hold the bigger key forwards without Rowe who has the size to compete, for a bloke who got the chop
from the Swans and was hacking around at Norwood looking at a career as a chippie he has turned things around especially after suffering a serious illness.
Credit to him and hope he can keep up his good form and extend his career...
to be fair, parkos rule had a lot to do with pigs arse attitude to rebuilds.
Coaches were scared to debut too many as it often resulted in losses, which inturn cost coaching jobs
Not according to how he described it on the ABC last weekend. He was adamant that he lost every time he coached a team with three debutantes at Hawthorn, Fitzroy and Carlton and, after watching our first two games, I could see merit in his theory.
Perhaps modern day debutantes are better prepared; Williamson has the confidence and execution of a 50 game player!
Only negative for me was Thomas, again, just not close to AFL standard
A bit harsh JB. I thought Daisy was OK today and his experience was important.
His first game back in 91 or 92 when we beat the Crows we had a lot of debutantes: Sholl, Paul MacCormack, Ronnie D....
Only watching on TV but SPS and especially Williamson's clean hands and disposal early were outstanding
Funnny how we see games, Gibb really annoyed me today, couple of lazy missed shots on goal and a bazillion hacked kicks foward (many on his left side) to nobody, but a heap of tackles and got to every contest all day so couldn't fault the effort.... Simpson similar (constantly caught on wrong side) but kept getting to the drop of the ball. Contrasted with Palmer who had an awful first half but applied manic pressure in the second which locked the ball in and really exposed the bummer's small backs. Wouldn't place any in the best but still made critical contributions.
Pickett struggled in the wet but looks like he could kick a bag one day, needs game time. Burnt three goals today.
Agree on Gibbs, got me frustrated at times with lazy stuff but seemed to enjoy tackling Essendon players and I thought he earned his money, Simpson didnt enjoy the wet and played a very conservative game IMO.
Palmer was rusty all day IMO but he did give some effort in the 2nd half....Kerridge was hopeless all day and couldnt do anything right till that last goal but that should give him another game.
Pickett is a bit of a daredevil who backs himself and doesnt care if its wet or dry he just plays the same way and in the wet he came unstuck but at Etihad in the dry could come out and kick a bag vs the Suns...
Daisy stank today, missed every target, couldn't keep his feet and too slow to apply real pressure in the corridor on their runners. Seemed out of position all day and couldn't work out his role...
How emotional is son of sos. ?
He cried last week and did it again today.
It was good to see the want though wasn't it?
Rowe has played plenty of 'best games' during his time at the club. They are quickly forgotten however.
He was, what, top 6 in the B+F last year? Give the bloke some credit, he does his job more often than not.
Who's knocking him? IMO it was one his best games he's played with us.
Think you can forgive the execution today given the conditions - it was really all about effort, and we had that for 4 qtrs. Thought we outplayed them completely, and had the game on our terms for the vast majority.
Highlight for me was our backline - defended really well, we always seemed to have someone in the right place at the right time... very similar to our good footy of last year.
Will also make mention of SPS - has a real crack, and has a bit of skill to go with it.
What a win. The poise shown by Williamson on debut in that weather and intensity was immensly impressive. I had him pencilled in as one to watch when we drafted. I think Bolton has Macreadie and Williamson earmarked as our future Stratton and Birchall respectively.
SPS also showing signs of what he will do once he puts on a bit more muscle and builds a serios tank. Hats off to Rowe again playing another solid game. That backline depth is something really positive now.
Oh and by the way....we kicked your arse Diesel...LOL :D ;)
Oh and by the way....we kicked your arse Diesel...LOL :D ;)
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Suffer in your jocks Diesel :)
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-04-09/spirit-of-sticks-driving-carlton
Essendon are clearly on drugs... did you see Cale Hooker's hairdo?
There were more players inside the circle than on the outside of it when they were singing the song ;)......well almost ;D
Can someone give me a link to see the singing of the song please.
Found it!
https://www.instagram.com/p/BSqJkijj7KW/
Rowe has played plenty of 'best games' during his time at the club. They are quickly forgotten however.
He was, what, top 6 in the B+F last year? Give the bloke some credit, he does his job more often than not.
Agree 100%.
Will be in the top few so far in this years B&F.
Takes the opposition best big forward each week and without fuss hasn't lost one so far this season.
Not sure what he has to do to be appreciated.
Has become one of my favorite players.
Agree 100%.
Will be in the top few so far in this years B&F.
Takes the opposition best big forward each week and without fuss hasn't lost one so far this season.
Not sure what he has to do to be appreciated.
Has become one of my favorite players.
x2. Is ultra reliable, only thing is that silly punch when he should mark, did it today but readjusted his game and took the game on by marking at every opportunity. Solid as a rock.
Full credit to both Cripps and Rowe for actually getting on the park today.
Bolton gave Worstfold a bath pardon the pun on wet weather football planning.
I braved the elements and went today and we looked so much better structured then what they did. Unless it was a fast break they had little chance to score.
We wanted it more and had a simple and basic gameplan that suited the conditions and was followed for 120 mins.
Well done boys and hats off to you Bolts.
Full credit to both Cripps and Rowe for actually getting on the park today.
X2. Not only got on the park, but were standouts.
That's very gutsy whichever way you look at it. That's gold when it comes to motivation and is pure inspiration.
When our luck is down, our stocks down, or young bodies and minds fatigued, we can look at this game and know we're on the right track. It will just take time.
Re: the umpires today - made mistakes in favour of both sides. We were on the wrong end of the stick in the 3rd Q but things swung back our way in the last - deservedly so as we were first to the ball on most occasions.
One thing I'm confused about (maybe someone here can elucidate) - why does a brilliantly executed tackle on the goal line which results in the incorrectly disposed ball spilling through for a point not result in a free kick to the tackler?
I mean, if it happens on the boundary line the free kick seems to trump an 'out of bounds' call?
Happened to us twice today.
Re: the umpires today - made mistakes in favour of both sides. We were on the wrong end of the stick in the 3rd Q but things swung back our way in the last - deservedly so as we were first to the ball on most occasions.
One thing I'm confused about (maybe someone here can elucidate) - why does a brilliantly executed tackle on the goal line which results in the incorrectly disposed ball spilling through for a point not result in a free kick to the tackler?
I mean, if it happens on the boundary line the free kick seems to trump an 'out of bounds' call?
Happened to us twice today.
Excellent point, was left wondering on one occasion (must've missed the 2nd).
Hopefully it features in their analysis.
Cripps got pinged for the ridiculous third man up rule today when it seemed that he had nominated to contest the hitout. On another occasion he ran in as if to contest the hitout but pulled out at the last minute. Perhaps we'll see more tactics to exploit the rule as Grigg did recently.
Like Nathan Burke, I wake up each morning hoping to hear that the AFL has realised its mistake and changed the rule back.
Cripps got pinged for the ridiculous third man up rule today when it seemed that he had nominated to contest the hitout. On another occasion he ran in as if to contest the hitout but pulled out at the last minute. Perhaps we'll see more tactics to exploit the rule as Grigg did recently.
Like Nathan Burke, I wake up each morning hoping to hear that the AFL has realised its mistake and changed the rule back.
x2 Told you it wouldnt work DJ.... ;)
The "deliberate" rule is also farcical at times imo.
Like Nathan Burke, I wake up each morning hoping to hear that the AFL has realised its mistake and changed the rule back.
This rule change to me is close to the most baffling one of the last 15 years and there has been a few very average ones.
I don't see how a 3rd person coming over the top made the game worse? Sure that team might gain an advantage, but the problem is?
Where too many rucks getting injured?
Was it resulting in extra stoppages?
I really do not get it and it would be really great if they reverse it back. If the 3rd man up infringes illegally or impeded the competing ruck there was always a free anyway, so I think it was a non issue and it should have been left to the coaches to counter it.
Very poor decision by the AFL
This rule change to me is close to the most baffling one of the last 15 years and there has been a few very average ones.
I don't see how a 3rd person coming over the top made the game worse? Sure that team might gain an advantage, but the problem is?
Where too many rucks getting injured?
Was it resulting in extra stoppages?
I really do not get it and it would be really great if they reverse it back. If the 3rd man up infringes illegally or impeded the competing ruck there was always a free anyway, so I think it was a non issue and it should have been left to the coaches to counter it.
Very poor decision by the AFL
I'm yet to hear any justification for the rule change apart from statistics that the third man up doesn't necessarily mean more or less stoppages. I'm also yet to hear any credible football commentator say that the rule is a positive change. Most seem perplexed as to why the rule change was necessary.
Going to have to wait and watch on replay.
What a great win though, if we were to win one game and that game influenced Essendon missing finals I would just about be prepared to accept that season.
6 players with 8 or more tackles including Kreuzer and 2 kids.
Great work blue boys
Line in the sand game. Played for each other. Put the body on the line for each other. All of a sudden i saw A BRAND. We still need a forward line and a couple of key mids, but today, I actually feel the wheel began to turn. Go the bluies.
I used to lament to my wife in recent years that there was nothing coming through. We all could see that. Now it is a feast for the eyes,with many yet to display there wares. What a debut for Williamson!! How good is Sam Petrevski-Seton? Marchbank and Macreadie already look like 10 year veterans. Silvagni is growing with every game. Will be a star. Plowman is a star already. We have Charlie Curnow, Harry Mackay, Zac Fisher, Ciaran Byrne, Gallucci and Lebois standing in the wings. Add the return of Phillips. So much to be excited about.
Am I being over generous to suggest that Murphy, Gibbs and Cripps were able to do what they did because the big bodies of Palmer and Kerridge were doing some of the grunt work that is not reflected in stats?? ( Didn't see the game or replay, just asking!)
Awesome stuff. That was heart and soul stuff there.
I am so anti-Rowe usually, but his play at the end when he ran straight at the ball coming in to the backline, knocked it forward and won the ball was just amazing stuff, game winning stuff.
Well done boys, remember that effort, and remember the reward!
Would be leading our B&F
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Any win is good, but a win against those grubs is just that much better.
We had 22 players that went out to win that game and they played damn good wet weather footy for every minute of the game.
Great Stuff.
Very good effort from Williamson. Pretty rare to see a first gamer turn it on like he did. And in the wet too.
Murphy, BOG. Well backed by Gibbs, Kreuser, Rowe, Plowman, Docherty, Curnow, Simpson, Cripps, White.
In fact, we didn't have a passenger.
If we go out to play with that attitude each week we'll win a lot more games.
Missed the game. was meant to be there but....
Antone know where one can find a replay (other than Foxtel)?
tia.
Only a game out of the 8!
interesting that our points against thus far this season match the top handful of clubs yet we've scored 150 points less than the Crows in only 3 games!!
Notice The Hun coverage of Carlton's win!
A Postage Stamp sized article half-way down the web-page, the article about BT carrying on is bigger!
Just shows you how anti-Carlton bias The Hun media is! ;)
Loved one of the post game headlines I read,
"Bombers still lacking chemistry, claims Worsfold!" (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-04-09/bombers-still-lacking-chemistry-says-worsfold)
Excellent! ;D
PS; Anyone watching the match highlights take note of the Kerridge goal, he kicks it exactly where he runs. Basics, so why doesn't he run straight at the centre of the goals like junior footballers get taught?
Putting the win aside which is difficult but the bigger picture stuff is what excites me the most.
We are WELL above where I thought we would be at 1 season and 3 games into a rebuild.
The poise and game sense of SPS, Marchbank, McCredie, Williamson and Pickett had be gobsmacked. These guys played like they had been in the system for 3 years not 3 games! And we haven't seen Fisher yet!
The recruiting staff are on top of the drafting ladder IMO. I'm very pleased with how we are tracking. ;)
Credit where it's due I think the senior players were excellent yesterday, especially Murphy, Gibbs, Kreuz, Rowe, White to name just a few. They provided a great framework for our youngster to develop within IMO and I'm sure that's what the club was really hoping for from them. Hopefully we can continue down this path and it WILL pay dividends.
Am I being over generous to suggest that Murphy, Gibbs and Cripps were able to do what they did because the big bodies of Palmer and Kerridge were doing some of the grunt work that is not reflected in stats?? ( Didn't see the game or replay, just asking!)
Absolutely not over generous.
The thing is we have more and more blokes making better decisions such as just keep pushing the ball on to advantage rather than taking posession in the wet and there was lots more hunting the footy and scrapping than usual.
Even Thomas who was fairly useless did a few things that wouldn't register a stat such as flicking the ball on to advantage over his opponent, rather than taking posession and getting tackled resulting in 20 metres gained for the next stoppage.
In a game of inches stuff like that was important.
Simon White as an example showed some wheels to get around Heppell and take posession of the footy at one point and me and my brother in law were gobsmacked.
Its been a long time since we played convincing wet weather footy.
Question for mine is do palmer and kerridge both get games at the faster Etihad. I'd suggest not and would like to see fisher come in and bring his buzz around the bubble.
Tom Williamson.....yes please!!! Not only can get the footy, but watch the replay & watch him instinctively block for others near the ball.....you can't teach that stuff - clearly has a good footy brain, super impressive debut.
Rowe & White.....wowsers!!! Simon White especially.....and I say especially as his first 2 games were utter poo.
Sat in the rain with my poncho, coldest I've been for a very long time at the footy, but when Murph kicked that goal right in front of us.....it never looked like missing, moments like those made it all worthwhile.
Well, that's one more win than I thought we'd achieve this year......humble pie tastes pretty darn good on this occasion!!!
SPS and Jack Silvagni 8 tackles apiece, Marchbank 7 and Williamson 5 in game one.
Outstanding stuff, and a glimpse into our future.
Tom Williamson.....yes please!!! Not only can get the footy, but watch the replay & watch him instinctively block for others near the ball.....you can't teach that stuff - clearly has a good footy brain, super impressive debut.
Notice the guys left foot?
What was his kicking efficiency? Would've been almost perfect.
Fitted so well into the defence along with Macreadie.
Doulherty back playing like he can.
Samps, this kid is the pick of the draft.
Well done coaching crew. 8)
Only a game out of the 8!
And only 2 games off the top of the ladder!
Question for mine is do Palmer and kerridge both get games at the faster Etihad. I'd suggest not and would like to see fisher come in and bring his buzz around the bubble.
Palmer was rusty IMO and Kerridge woeful apart from that last kick but I reckon both will play.....Polson is a bit more AFL ready than Fisher IMO but I expect both to play senior footy this season..
Got to be careful we dont over do the kids and play too many at once even though the temptation is great after Williamson's fine debut, but you can see why he was picked as he is a good size and more developed..
Nice to see one of the coterie members of the evil, anti CFC media brigade, Mr Lloyd, freely admitting that Woosha was out coached and the better team won - no excuses or nuthin'.
A few meaningless observations...
I know that a heap more footys are used in a game these days so they don't get as wet and heavy, but some of the marking in the conditions (from both sides) was top rate.
Bartel won't have a job at ch 7 for long - he tipped us to stay in front at 3 qtr time.
Did the wet weather help us by disguising the lack of kicking skill that we generally have - ie just getting the ball and kicking it was appropriate?
As others have suggested - BT you are very, very ordinary.
A few meaningless observations...
I know that a heap more footys are used in a game these days so they don't get as wet and heavy, but some of the marking in the conditions (from both sides) was top rate.
Bartel won't have a job at ch 7 for long - he tipped us to stay in front at 3 qtr time.
Did the wet weather help us by disguising the lack of kicking skill that we generally have - ie just getting the ball and kicking it was appropriate?
As others have suggested - BT you are very, very ordinary.
IMO, yes.
Palmer was rusty IMO and Kerridge woeful apart from that last kick but I reckon both will play.....Polson is a bit more AFL ready than Fisher IMO but I expect both to play senior footy this season..
Got to be careful we dont over do the kids and play too many at once even though the temptation is great after Williamson's fine debut, but you can see why he was picked as he is a good size and more developed..
The suns aren't kids anymore but I don't think they have a particularly big midfield that would trouble him. He copes fine in VFL and his style would suit Etihad.
I hear what you are saying but I'm tipping he will play.
We had SEVEN players in the side 20 years old and younger. Surely one of the youngest ever Carlton sides ever. Despite that, we still showed the heart and desire required to overpower the more fancied Drug Cheats.
I think the crop of kids coming through right now are the best the Club has had in many many years.
IMO, yes.
No. The more skillful players play better in the wet.
No. The more skillful players play better in the wet.
The ability for a particular player to adapt to wet weather footy may well be a skill, but the actual playing of wet weather footy does not require skillful, slick footy, by which I mean : integrated link play, pin point, precision passing, soft hands and making good position to take marks etc. These are areas in which as a team we are deficient, and they become secondary in wet weather footy.
No. The more skillful players play better in the wet.
I agree, the clean hands below the knees type player in the dry is far more likely to succeed in the wet. There are many more clean-hands opportunities in the wet than in the dry just because the ball doesn't bounce as much.
If a player fumbles in the dry putting them-self under pressure, they'll usually struggle in the wet.
Bombres beat hawks and lions in opening 2 rounds. Looking back now they look like 2 very ordinary scalps.
I don't care who they play as long as it's not Kerridge. He was fumbling and turning it over even before the really bad weather set in. I'd rather watch Polson or Fisher any day of the week. Palmer may be better for the run but not far off the train wreck level that Kerridge is operating on.
Bombres beat hawks and lions in opening 2 rounds. Looking back now they look like 2 very ordinary scalps.
I don't care who they play as long as it's not Kerridge. He was fumbling and turning it over even before the really bad weather set in. I'd rather watch Polson or Fisher any day of the week. Palmer may be better for the run but not far off the train wreck level that Kerridge is operating on.
yet the bloke played in A Preliminary last year.
Judge him after a handful of games, not one....
yet the bloke played in A Preliminary last year.
Judge him after a handful of games, not one....
Agree...thought Palmer was rusty rather than poor, effort was ok after half time and I think we needed his experience, also expect him
to improve in the dry conditions at Etihad....
yet the bloke played in A Preliminary last year.
Judge him after a handful of games, not one....
Palmer may be better for the run i said. I think he's worth another go but he wouldn't want to play like that again. He was ordinary in the preseason also.
Palmer may be better for the run i said. I think he's worth another go but he wouldn't want to play like that again. He was ordinary in the preseason also.
He looks a player but currently looks a little underdone.
Needs more game time.
A few thoughts:
One of the more consistently ruthless efforts from all involved.
Great debut from 'Willo'.
Anyone else see the deft toe-poke from SPS to set up Murph's first goal? On the subject of SPS, such sure hands and terrific vision/anticipation.
How good it was to see our backline do so well without Simmo being heavily relied upon. He played his role, but others took responsibility. Love it.
I still prefer Palmer over Kerridge though I do value the effort and courage Kerridge displays... he just gives it to the opposition too often. These two provide so much important grunt that eases a little reliance on Murphy/Gibbs/Cripps.
Although their numbers weren't huge, loved the efforts from SOJ (coming along nicely, never out of the contest), Pickett (ready to deliver, I suspect - it's all there)...
Awful conditions for a player like Marchbank but he ground it out really well, likewise Macreadie.
What a ripper Matty Wright is.
My only negative is that Thomas must be on his last chance...
Going to watch a full replay of the match, will make some more comment after that.
Plowman marchbank macredie doc rowe..... the rock of gebrolta today.
Loving Williamson and sps today.
Murph bog.
Kruez inspirational.
Special mention to Caz today. Crashed packs all day.
Well done boys.
Fantastic.
Concise and accurate :)
How disappointed did BT sound when it was obvious we were gonna win?!? Ha ha!
He was pi55ed off b/c he wanted to say Fantasio's name more often
Going to watch a full replay of the match, will make some more comment after that.
Enjoy but to put it simply for you, we turned up, went hard at the man and footy for 4 qtrs, got the 4 points.
He was pi55ed off b/c he wanted to say Fantasio's name more often
Yes he has a deftly habit of talking about the most irrelevant aspects of the game ???
Yesterday was the first time Johhny's Boy has banana'd one in from that pocket. Last goal on this package:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5-OHvVs_VQ
And 1:06, 3:20 and 4:04 (the other pocket) in the following:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iY_zxLv9sSs
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-04-10/murphy-hails-memorable-win-as-carltons-blueprint
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-04-10/murphy-hails-memorable-win-as-carltons-blueprint
Thanks jovial Paul.
Good to see Murphy throw Diesel's kick ass comments back at him. Maybe there's more Murphy mongrel than we know. And the team record tackle count, well that's truly music to my ears. The insipid don't break a fingernail days might finally be dead and buried.
Go new Blues
I know that changing a winning team doesn't happen very often, but we DID have some players who must come under some pressure. Unfortunately the 2nds did do enough to put some real pressure on. However, we must consider all options.
I am not saying drop all of these guys, but:
[1] Jack Silvagni: now before I get killed, I do have some reasons to bring up Jack. I like the lad a lot. However, this season he does not appear to have the same confidence as he had last year. He is 2 - grabbing a lot of marks. Last year his hands were like a vice. He appears to have lost some confidence in his kicking. Last year he was deadly, having only 1 shot that was not on target (yes, another couple hit the post and a couple got touched, but they were headed for the goals). This year he hasn't had any close shots and he isn't the biggest kick we have. He has got the yips. Thirdly, he is fumbling more this year. One of the things that stood out for much of the year was the clean hands - not fumbling. This year he is fumbling a lot more.
None of these are hanging offences in a young lad, but I think he could go back for a couple of weeks and get his confidence back by kicking 5 or 6 in the VFL.
If he goes out, then we might blood Harry McKay, or give Jones another chance. Jones is not the long term answer, but he has been performing and probably deserves a game.
[2] Jarrod Pickett: Pickett got games because we badly need a goal sneak with pace. So far he hasn't done a lot. he did well in the pre-season, but has not done so well since. Worse in my eyes is that he has not shown composure under pressure, but made some critical errors, including dropping a high ball he was in easy position to mark and fumbling in the clear, allowing opponents to get into the contest.
I think he offers enough to persevere with. But a couple of weeks getting 20+ possessions and getting his confidence up would be beneficial.
The counter argument, alas, is easy. We are about to play GC on the fastest track in the comp and we NEED pace. 2ndly, who do we bring in? As well as some of our mids played in the VFL, not many of them can play the small forward role. Polson isn't ready yet. Armfield has been tried and has been in poor form.
[3] Harry Macreadie: I like this kid. He DOES have composure. However, he played probably his least effective game on Sunday. I would give him a spell for a few weeks and then bring him back. We do have to manage our kids.
[4] Rhys Palmer: I had hopes for Palmer, but his kicking pi##es me off big time. He had a chance to really nail Essendon and he didn't manage a score.
Maybe I am being too harsh, but we haven't seen the pace and composure yet. It was his first game.
If you've got the game recorded just got to 2:43 minutes to go in the last quarter and enjoy the hit Plowman puts on Heppell. Just came in and gave him one ALMIGHTY whack to the breadbasket. So funny he was shaking his hand afterward. I'm not sure it was because he hit him that hard but it was bloody beautiful.
Other observations
For those of you who are into Daisy I suggest you have a closer look at his game. Did a lot of hard off the ball work, some tough in and unders and timely pressure acts. Will not be dropped on that effort.
Can't believe the last free kick to Kerridge when you take into account the number of boots flying about before that. A very good run from the umpires in the last. No doubt.
The joy the players showed after that final siren was something else. The faces, the excitement, the sheer happiness, well it was like when cheatsfc won the flag 2 weeks ago. :D
I know that changing a winning team doesn't happen very often, but we DID have some players who must come under some pressure. Unfortunately the 2nds did do enough to put some real pressure on. However, we must consider all options.
I am not saying drop all of these guys, but:
[1] Jack Silvagni: now before I get killed, I do have some reasons to bring up Jack. I like the lad a lot. However, this season he does not appear to have the same confidence as he had last year. He is 2 - grabbing a lot of marks. Last year his hands were like a vice. He appears to have lost some confidence in his kicking. Last year he was deadly, having only 1 shot that was not on target (yes, another couple hit the post and a couple got touched, but they were headed for the goals). This year he hasn't had any close shots and he isn't the biggest kick we have. He has got the yips. Thirdly, he is fumbling more this year. One of the things that stood out for much of the year was the clean hands - not fumbling. This year he is fumbling a lot more.
None of these are hanging offences in a young lad, but I think he could go back for a couple of weeks and get his confidence back by kicking 5 or 6 in the VFL.
If he goes out, then we might blood Harry McKay, or give Jones another chance. Jones is not the long term answer, but he has been performing and probably deserves a game.
[2] Jarrod Pickett: Pickett got games because we badly need a goal sneak with pace. So far he hasn't done a lot. he did well in the pre-season, but has not done so well since. Worse in my eyes is that he has not shown composure under pressure, but made some critical errors, including dropping a high ball he was in easy position to mark and fumbling in the clear, allowing opponents to get into the contest.
I think he offers enough to persevere with. But a couple of weeks getting 20+ possessions and getting his confidence up would be beneficial.
The counter argument, alas, is easy. We are about to play GC on the fastest track in the comp and we NEED pace. 2ndly, who do we bring in? As well as some of our mids played in the VFL, not many of them can play the small forward role. Polson isn't ready yet. Armfield has been tried and has been in poor form.
[3] Harry Macreadie: I like this kid. He DOES have composure. However, he played probably his least effective game on Sunday. I would give him a spell for a few weeks and then bring him back. We do have to manage our kids.
[4] Rhys Palmer: I had hopes for Palmer, but his kicking pi##es me off big time. He had a chance to really nail Essendon and he didn't manage a score.
Maybe I am being too harsh, but we haven't seen the pace and composure yet. It was his first game.
Cant argue with much of that crash except for [3]. Macredie is a beauty who I thought was very good again in terrible conditions yesterday. As backman who will play many games for our club, he must be educated/exposed as part of that back 6 unit. To me, he looks like one of those kids who are "ready to go", like Weitering. Not sure if I explained myself but basically,I reckon he is a "must play" unless he is injured. Williamson, after just one game, appears to be in a similar boat.
I know that changing a winning team doesn't happen very often, but we DID have some players who must come under some pressure. Unfortunately the 2nds did do enough to put some real pressure on. However, we must consider all options.
I am not saying drop all of these guys, but:
[1] Jack Silvagni: now before I get killed, I do have some reasons to bring up Jack. I like the lad a lot. However, this season he does not appear to have the same confidence as he had last year. He is 2 - grabbing a lot of marks. Last year his hands were like a vice. He appears to have lost some confidence in his kicking. Last year he was deadly, having only 1 shot that was not on target (yes, another couple hit the post and a couple got touched, but they were headed for the goals). This year he hasn't had any close shots and he isn't the biggest kick we have. He has got the yips. Thirdly, he is fumbling more this year. One of the things that stood out for much of the year was the clean hands - not fumbling. This year he is fumbling a lot more.
None of these are hanging offences in a young lad, but I think he could go back for a couple of weeks and get his confidence back by kicking 5 or 6 in the VFL.
If he goes out, then we might blood Harry McKay, or give Jones another chance. Jones is not the long term answer, but he has been performing and probably deserves a game.
[2] Jarrod Pickett: Pickett got games because we badly need a goal sneak with pace. So far he hasn't done a lot. he did well in the pre-season, but has not done so well since. Worse in my eyes is that he has not shown composure under pressure, but made some critical errors, including dropping a high ball he was in easy position to mark and fumbling in the clear, allowing opponents to get into the contest.
I think he offers enough to persevere with. But a couple of weeks getting 20+ possessions and getting his confidence up would be beneficial.
The counter argument, alas, is easy. We are about to play GC on the fastest track in the comp and we NEED pace. 2ndly, who do we bring in? As well as some of our mids played in the VFL, not many of them can play the small forward role. Polson isn't ready yet. Armfield has been tried and has been in poor form.
[3] Harry Macreadie: I like this kid. He DOES have composure. However, he played probably his least effective game on Sunday. I would give him a spell for a few weeks and then bring him back. We do have to manage our kids.
[4] Rhys Palmer: I had hopes for Palmer, but his kicking pi##es me off big time. He had a chance to really nail Essendon and he didn't manage a score.
Maybe I am being too harsh, but we haven't seen the pace and composure yet. It was his first game.
Agree with Palmer as he is an experienced player who has shown stuff all in preseason, 2nds or this week. But the rest are kids that all seem to be developing nicely. Sure you can find faults in them but all exceeded my expectations so early in their careers.
Kids form fluctuates and if you focus on what they cant do you should drop them after every game. They need time and unless they are really struggling with form or injury's i would keep playing them.
McCreadie has been amazing IMO - thought he was a rock again in trying conditions on Sunday.
As far as bringing Jones in for SOJ....having we beaten that dead horse enough. Thankfully i think we have heaps of options...Jones is gone at seasons end - cant see any value in giving him another game unless we have no options left.
Palmer was rusty IMO and Kerridge woeful apart from that last kick but I reckon both will play.....Polson is a bit more AFL ready than Fisher IMO but I expect both to play senior footy this season..
Got to be careful we dont over do the kids and play too many at once even though the temptation is great after Williamson's fine debut, but you can see why he was picked as he is a good size and more developed..
I agree with not playing too many kids but Kerridge was disgraceful for 119mins. Sure he kicked straight after a free kick from 20 minutes out but geez a seasoned player needs to show more then that to keep his spot.
His miss to 2 leading forward clear just 20 metres away in the first quarter sums this guy up.
His kicking even when they is no pressure is putrid. Rather anyone in but him.
If you've got the game recorded just got to 2:43 minutes to go in the last quarter and enjoy the hit Plowman puts on Heppell. Just came in and gave him one ALMIGHTY whack to the breadbasket. So funny he was shaking his hand afterward. I'm not sure it was because he hit him that hard but it was bloody beautiful.
Other observations
For those of you who are into Daisy I suggest you have a closer look at his game. Did a lot of hard off the ball work, some tough in and unders and timely pressure acts. Will not be dropped on that effort.
Can't believe the last free kick to Kerridge when you take into account the number of boots flying about before that. A very good run from the umpires in the last. No doubt.
The joy the players showed after that final siren was something else. The faces, the excitement, the sheer happiness, well it was like when cheatsfc won the flag 2 weeks ago. :D
I remember thinking at the time, "Plowman just landed a beauty!" and was expecting to hear a whistle. He must have been in just the right location to get away with it.
I agree with you about Daisy; he worked really hard off the ball, as did Palmer and Kerridge.
To be honest i think Williamson really battled through the final quarter which is both good and bad but mainly good.
Showed grit, determination and sheer bloody minded ability to stick to the job even though I saw him reach for the hamstring once or twice. Probably just cramping but he was sucking and blowing a bit.
He's had a taste and looked good and might get a rest for a week.
For those of you who are into Daisy I suggest you have a closer look at his game. Did a lot of hard off the ball work, some tough in and unders and timely pressure acts. Will not be dropped on that effort
Daisy isn't and will never be the player he was and he's getting paid 'overs' times about 3 BUT when there is only a breath between the scores at 3/4 that when he comes into his own, directing traffic, doing the 1% and using all his rat cunning and experience. Worth $750,000 per year?? Definitely not! Are we still getting some return for our $'s? I think a lot more than we realize, especially when the whips are cracking.
I don't know if he was injured or not but I suspect the late change to omit Charlie Curnow might have been beneficial.
Kudos to Casboult for his body pressure and ruck support on a day that was not suitable to his strengths.
I have read a lot of posts but only a few have mentioned the contribution Kroozer put in.
I thought he was the everywhere man.
He wss always held in the ruck and probably got out tappex but did really well around the rest of the ground.
Looks good when he goes forward too.
I have read a lot of posts but only a few have mentioned the contribution Kroozer put in.
I thought he was the everywhere man.
He wss always held in the ruck and probably got out tappex but did really well around the rest of the ground.
Looks good when he goes forward too.
100% agree, i reckon in the B&F votes he would be right up there
I have read a lot of posts but only a few have mentioned the contribution Kroozer put in.
I thought he was the everywhere man.
He wss always held in the ruck and probably got out tappex but did really well around the rest of the ground.
Looks good when he goes forward too.
x2. Should be nicknamed bull dozer not tractor.
Our mid's are not exactly heavy hitters so Kruezer is all we have to do the hard inside defensive work and hunts down opposition mids when in contested situations. Love how he runs with his head down from contest to contest.
11 tackles and 8 clearances from a ruckmen says it all and when he tackles they come to the ground. A bull of a ruckmen who is invaluable to us. As we know ruckmen hit their best in the age bracket Kruezer is about to hit.
I know he's loyal but I will devastated if we fail to extend his contract and he moves. His best man was Richmond's captain - lets not forget they were interested 2 years ago and his value has gone up since then.
Extend his contract now blues.
x2. Should be nicknamed bull dozer not tractor.
Our mid's are not exactly heavy hitters so Kruezer is all we have to do the hard inside defensive work and hunts down opposition mids when in contested situations. Love how he runs with his head down from contest to contest.
11 tackles and 8 clearances from a ruckmen says it all and when he tackles they come to the ground. A bull of a ruckmen who is invaluable to us. As we know ruckmen hit their best in the age bracket Kruezer is about to hit.
I know he's loyal but I will devastated if we fail to extend his contract and he moves. His best man was Richmond's captain - lets not forget they were interested 2 years ago and his value has gone up since then.
Extend his contract now blues.
Shawny people on here can say what they want, throw up trade scenarios, theories etc etc. IMO, Matty K will play out his days wearing Navy Blue, for me there is nothing surer. Team mates and coaching staff would understand the true value and importance of the Big Tractor. When the he is fit and firing, there aren't many big men that give what he gives and his team mates follow. From what I have been told, he doesn't say a hell of alot, but when he does, people listen. Just a good old fashioned, hard at it footballer who is coming into his prime and if God willing stays injury free, will help get us to where we want to be.
x2. Should be nicknamed bull dozer not tractor.
Our mid's are not exactly heavy hitters so Kruezer is all we have to do the hard inside defensive work and hunts down opposition mids when in contested situations. Love how he runs with his head down from contest to contest.
11 tackles and 8 clearances from a ruckmen says it all and when he tackles they come to the ground. A bull of a ruckmen who is invaluable to us. As we know ruckmen hit their best in the age bracket Kruezer is about to hit.
I know he's loyal but I will devastated if we fail to extend his contract and he moves. His best man was Richmond's captain - lets not forget they were interested 2 years ago and his value has gone up since then.
Extend his contract now blues.
That's a bit different to the "trade him for early picks" mantra Shawny but you're on the money!
I'd like to see an early contract extension and I suspect that Matty and the coaching staff have a similar view.
Shawny people on here can say what they want, throw up trade scenarios, theories etc etc. IMO, Matty K will play out his days wearing Navy Blue, for me there is nothing surer. Team mates and coaching staff would understand the true value and importance of the Big Tractor. When the he is fit and firing, there aren't many big men that give what he gives and his team mates follow. From what I have been told, he doesn't say a hell of alot, but when he does, people listen. Just a good old fashioned, hard at it footballer who is coming into his prime and if God willing stays injury free, will help get us to where we want to be.
Spot-on Gic.
And yes, extend his contract ASAP.
I have read a lot of posts but only a few have mentioned the contribution Kroozer put in.
He was BOG in my votes.
A bit of trivia, Carlton had 10 top 10 draft picks in the side on Sunday including 4 number 1's, if it isn't a record it must be very close to it.
Great win. Well done players and Bolts!
A few changes might still happen over the next few weeks.
Happy that Fisher and Polson had good VFL games.
The kids stood up, as I said. You play the kids. Tom Williamson debuted and he was sensational.
I have read a lot of posts but only a few have mentioned the contribution Kroozer put in.
I thought he was the everywhere man.
He wss always held in the ruck and probably got out tappex but did really well around the rest of the ground.
Looks good when he goes forward too.
I had MK second to Murphy in the votes. You're right he played the complete game as a ruckman. His skill beneath his knees in those conditions was a standout for me. It's not only what he does but how he does it. He's focused, measured, and gives every contest his all.
I love how he teams up with Crippa. Remember v Melbourne on Juddy's farewell game. Those big boys were synchronized like twins.
I'd be devastated if we didn't keep him. He's in many ways our spiritual leader, albeit a quietly spoken one ;)
I must also give credit to the coaching staff. They certainly left their archenemy in their wake..... Maybe Bolts early days in tassie taught him the lessons of old fashioned wet weather footy. The simple focus on contested ball and tackles was spot on.
And didn't the boys fall in line? They set a new club record with 111 tackles.
I hope our new Blues set plenty more club records.
Watched talking footy and was interested to hear Wayne Carey pay Murph a massive compliment. He stated that Murph goes in for the hard ball as hard as anyone, even Selwood. He also said that he has had some terrible injuries which have prevented any form of continuity in his game. He then repeated Murph is as hard at the footy and as courageous as anyone. Seemed genuine.
Watched talking footy and was interested to hear Wayne Carey pay Murph a massive compliment. He stated that Murph goes in for the hard ball as hard as anyone, even Selwood. He also said that he has had some terrible injuries which have prevented any form of continuity in his game. He then repeated Murph is as hard at the footy and as courageous as anyone. Seemed genuine.
And some folk still reckon he shouldn't be the skipper ::)
Murphy compliments accepted with thanks :P
Regardless of who gives them, any media compliments have to be positive for the club. Can only dream of balanced commentary amongst the media riffraff.
Anyway proof's in the pudding. We, favorite for the spoon, knocked off a team predicted to make finals. And we did it with team half full of kids in nappies ;D
I liked the way we struck a body blow against a team that has lorded over us for a long, long time. The old "if it bleeds we can kill it" line from Arnie is very apt and hopefully will give some blokes belief going forwards. Really need to take down other mobs this year that have just bashed us up: Saints, Norf, Swines and Whorks spring to mind.
Really asked a few serious questions of the other mob, they have some awesome players but also a few that are just going, waaaay over hyped or coming to the end. Maybe some of our opposition ain't as good as they are painted out to be?
I liked the way we struck a body blow against a team that has lorded over us for a long, long time. The old "if it bleeds we can kill it" line from Arnie is very apt and hopefully will give some blokes belief going forwards. Really need to take down other mobs this year that have just bashed us up: Saints, Norf, Swines and Whorks spring to mind.
Really asked a few serious questions of the other mob, they have some awesome players but also a few that are just going, waaaay over hyped or coming to the end. Maybe some of our opposition ain't as good as they are painted out to be?
I think the closer truth is we are not a bad as we are painted out to be! ;)
I have read a lot of posts but only a few have mentioned the contribution Kroozer put in.
I thought he was the everywhere man.
He wss always held in the ruck and probably got out tappex but did really well around the rest of the ground.
Looks good when he goes forward too.
Good post. Lead the clearances (8) and tackles (11) for the game and a goal. Was BOG.
Witts was named ruck in the AFL team of the week with 2 clearances, 2 tackles and 0 goals. Give... me... a ... spell!
Plowman special mention: 18 possessions in torrential rain @ 94% efficiency.
That is ridiculous.
I think the closer truth is we are not a bad as we are painted out to be! ;)
But we are as good as some of us think we are :)
However, I have to admit that I wasn't expecting quite as many blokes with less than 10 games featuring in a win under very trying conditions.
What I saw on the weekend was a backline that will make us a formidable side in the next few years.
I have not been this excited for a very long time!
When you see the potential in Marchbank, Plowman, Macreadie, Williamson, Docherty and maybe Weitering as a back six, you finally can see some light at the end of the tunnel.
Silvagni is doing a great job so far with his list management. Let's hope it can continue and these kids keep developing!
What I saw on the weekend was a backline that will make us a formidable side in the next few years.
I have not been this excited for a very long time!
When you see the potential in Marchbank, Plowman, Macreadie, Williamson, Docherty and maybe Weitering as a back six, you finally can see some light at the end of the tunnel.
Silvagni is doing a great job so far with his list management. Let's hope it can continue and these kids keep developing!
If there's anybody who knows about backlines it would have to be SOS!
If there's anybody who knows about backlines it would have to be SOS!
;D ;D
But we are as good as some of us think we are :)
However, I have to admit that I wasn't expecting quite as many blokes with less than 10 games featuring in a win under very trying conditions.
I was worried about the inexperience too, but the Druggos seemed to struggle in the conditions more than us.
A fine day might have made it all a bit harder.
However that's history now. We have and deserve the 4 points. :D
I just want to reflect on the consummate skill with which Weitering took Hurley out of a marking contest in the first quarter. Weitering gave Hurley a light bump with his shoulder that was just enough to put Hurley on the back foot an unable to move forward quickly. Weitering then pushed and met the ball for a relatively easy mark. Unfortunately, Weitering had a touch of the Casboults and missed what should have been an easy goal.
The ease with which 18 year old Weitering disposed of a highly rated, very experienced key defender brought tears of joy to my eyes :)
I just want to reflect on the consummate skill with which Weitering took Hurley out of a marking contest in the first quarter. Weitering gave Hurley a light bump with his shoulder that was just enough to put Hurley on the back foot an unable to move forward quickly. Weitering then pushed and met the ball for a relatively easy mark. Unfortunately, Weitering had a touch of the Casboults and missed what should have been an easy goal.
The ease with which 18 year old Weitering disposed of a highly rated, very experienced key defender brought tears of joy to my eyes :)
We're going to have some fun watching these green shoots over the next ten or so years. :)
I think the closer truth is we are not a bad as we are painted out to be! ;)
What it shows is just how little those "Expert Commentators" know about the kids on the fringe of AFL clubs like GWS.
Basically it appears those Foxtel and Hun specialists must be forming opinions based on no observations, and I am betting they either haven't seen them or have seen very little of them, and assume not seeing a player regularly means they are no good!
FWIW, I think this ignorance through invisibility even extends to official activities like TAC CUP Dev Squad selections. In recent years I've watched a number of kids who I rate the equal to Weiters not getting a run at TAC Cup level, often because of nepotism!
There are clearly many agendas and also some huuge egos at play within the footy community. Balanced commentary and fair and even judgments are early casualties as a result.
I just want to reflect on the consummate skill with which Weitering took Hurley out of a marking contest in the first quarter. Weitering gave Hurley a light bump with his shoulder that was just enough to put Hurley on the back foot an unable to move forward quickly. Weitering then pushed and met the ball for a relatively easy mark. Unfortunately, Weitering had a touch of the Casboults and missed what should have been an easy goal.
The ease with which 18 year old Weitering disposed of a highly rated, very experienced key defender brought tears of joy to my eyes :)
Great post. Casboult would have just ran at the ball and given the defender a chance to punch it. Love Weitering - he's a class above.
Plowman special mention: 18 possessions in torrential rain @ 94% efficiency.
That is ridiculous.
Plowman's efficiency is becoming consistent as well as close to perfect. In fact the back six are building on what was a good 2016. Imagine, we've got young Byrne to come back mid season. That will be very interesting times for selectors.
Loving watching our journey unfold.
Go new Blues
What I saw on the weekend was a backline that will make us a formidable side in the next few years.
I have not been this excited for a very long time!
When you see the potential in Marchbank, Plowman, Macreadie, Williamson, Docherty and maybe Weitering as a back six, you finally can see some light at the end of the tunnel.
Silvagni is doing a great job so far with his list management. Let's hope it can continue and these kids keep developing!
x 1,000,000. Spot on.
Plowman's efficiency is becoming consistent as well as close to perfect. In fact the back six are building on what was a good 2016. Imagine, we've got young Byrne to come back mid season. That will be very interesting times for selectors.
Loving watching our journey unfold.
Go new Blues
Don't get carried away with disposal efficiency of backmen. Half of their disposals are switching the play under no pressure.
They almost always outdo midfielders, who are under more pressure with their disposals, and it shows in the %'s.
However, i'd take a few midfielders skills over backmen despite what the %'s say. ;)
Don't get carried away with disposal efficiency of backmen. Half of their disposals are switching the play under no pressure.
They almost always outdo midfielders, who are under more pressure with their disposals, and it shows in the %'s.
However, i'd take a few midfielders skills over backmen despite what the %'s say. ;)
Oh come on Kruddler... That there optimism bubble has been a long time in the making ^-^ .
94% in those conditions is good whichever way you slice it. Now let's see his teammates take up the challenge.....
Disposal efficiency may be impacted by the role of the player and defenders do have opportunities to dispose of the ball under little or no pressure. Even Docherty, who turns the ball over quite often, rates in the mid to high 70s. However, defenders are often forced to hack the ball out of danger and those kicks are 50-50 propositions.
94% is outstanding efficiency on a dry day and in any position.