This week, we have been inundated with news about the fires raging on the outskirts of Sydney, the Blue Mountains & Hunter Valley. We've had to put up with smog across the city and people with asthmatic conditions have been flocking to hospital for treatment. Add into that the amount of manpower needed to battle these blazes, the damage to private homes & wildlife and it all adds up to a massive unnecessary mess for everyone.
It came out that one of the fires was started by an 11yo boy who was held in custody overnight and upon leaving the police station, flipped the bird at the reporters taking his photo. Just to show that the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, his father did a double-bird at them too.
The current laws state that juvenile offenders cannot be jailed or punished but I'm at the stage where I don't feel the law is adequate enough when it comes to young people who commit serious crimes like this.
Should Australia have juvenile jails built so that these young people can feel the full wrath of the law or should they be put in adult jails to serve a penalty ??
I've had enough of young thugs & punks getting away with it on the basis of their age, maybe their parents should do the jail time instead ??
Do you listen to Alan Jones?
Confiscate and burn everything he owns. Confiscate and burn everything he will EVER own.
That's for starters.
Do you listen to Alan Jones?
No, why do you ask ??
Juvenile offenders can be sentenced to detention, but only as a last resort.
The young person's behaviour, as an indicator of lack of remorse, may well have an impact on the severity of his penalty.
There have been calls for parents to be punished for the offences of their children but it would have to be on a case by case basis. From what you've described Sheik, the father deserves a whack.
I'd consider it Sheik on a two strike basis. If they don't learn from the first time they probably never will.
Juvenile offenders can be sentenced to detention, but only as a last resort.
The young person's behaviour, as an indicator of lack of remorse, may well have an impact on the severity of his penalty.
There have been calls for parents to be punished for the offences of their children but it would have to be on a case by case basis. From what you've described Sheik, the father deserves a whack.
I agree the father deserves a whack. It's him that needs to set the example. Remember when I was an 8y/o kid I smashed the window of a neighboring house to impress a girl. Police arrived and gave me stern warning. My father on the other hand offered to pay for the window and then proceeded to belt the shiit out of me. I had to personally apologize to the neighbor and to police. I was made to mow the neighbors lawn and remove weeds from their garden for 6 months. I no longer like broken windows.
I remember as about a 10 year old, together with a friend, we managed to set a hay paddock alight. Fortunately someone saw the smoke and called the local fire brigade, who arrived very quickly to put out the flames.
We were never found out but were so scared by the experience I would have never have dreamed of trying the same thing again! It was a closely guarded secret between us for years.
Juvenile offenders can be sentenced to detention, but only as a last resort.
The young person's behaviour, as an indicator of lack of remorse, may well have an impact on the severity of his penalty.
There have been calls for parents to be punished for the offences of their children but it would have to be on a case by case basis. From what you've described Sheik, the father deserves a whack.
I agree the father deserves a whack. It's him that needs to set the example. Remember when I was an 8y/o kid I smashed the window of a neighboring house to impress a girl. Police arrived and gave me stern warning. My father on the other hand offered to pay for the window and then proceeded to belt the shiit out of me. I had to personally apologize to the neighbor and to police. I was made to mow the neighbors lawn and remove weeds from their garden for 6 months. I no longer like broken windows.
Sounds like my childhood when I stepped out of line ..... hated it at the time, but I deserved it.
Was the girl worth it? ;D
No, she's the one who dobbed me in. Hence second part of valuable lesson, "women crumble under pressure".
I knew a couple of guys who burnt down a small section of forest, when they were 15, and got caught.
They had good behaviour bonds and didn't burn down any more forest after that.
With that said, they came from good families and support networks around them etc.
Heard a news report this morning two 8year olds got caught trying to light fires in NSW, "they got a stern talking to by Police". Stern talking to? No wonder the countries farked. Lock the little c@#$ and their parents up for 15 yrs, then we'll see if other fwits try it.
You can't smack your own kids they are taught at school. They are told that if they are punished above that what a child finds being fair, they can speak to a teacher at school and corrective action will be taken against the parents. My kids know they can use the phone to call the authorities to take action against me no drama. Here I'll help you dial the number. Then you quickly better call an ambulance immediately after. You will be having a long stay in hospital if you are still breathing.
Kids need to be shown the images of the terror that happen with major fires. the impact on animal and human injury and death. They need to understand what the impact is as a result from stupidity. They need to imagine what it would be like if it happened to them. All kids are taught in these days is consequences to them. What about the impact to those that suffer from fires. Everything in life needs to be a result of teaching what if it happened to you. How would you feel. The punishment isn't always a going to scare them enough. That's just my opinion though.
It's a good thing I never smacked my son; he's now 20cm taller and 20kg heavier. My daughter could beat me up too - I think I smacked her once ;)
In fact, I couldn't ask for better children; both high achievers with well developed social consciences (not sure what I did right) but they both did the odd irresponsible thing when they were growing up.
The OP is pretty ridiculous when it doesnt balance the pros/cons of jail time.
Execute them. It will stop any further discussion.
Execute them. It will stop any further discussion.
Made my night! :))
The OP is pretty ridiculous when it doesnt balance the pros/cons of jail time.
But it's okay for them to run amok and cause mayhem & financial hardship to innocent hard working people ??
Paaalllease, there needs to be something more that can be done. Quite clearly the 'slap on the wrist' methodology is not getting us anywhere and it's just not the children either, the parents are not taking control of their offspring.
Execute them. It will stop any further discussion.
:))
You make me look like a softy JK - I was just going to say "Put 'em in jail!"
Out of interest, have you ever considered a career in Corrections? ;)
Often putting kids in jail just teaches them how to get better at crime... through their contact with 'more experienced' crims.
But the 'softy' approach has little success, also.
There is a program that when kids commit serious crime they get to spend time with a hardened crim who paints a picture of their lives in and out of prison. They don't hold back in letting them know what will happen to them in prison... especially if they're a little 'attractive'. This has frightened the crap out of them and has been successful. Chopper helped out with this program also.... kids would leave a meeting with Chopper ashen faced and durps filled.
Then there's compensation. If parents know that there will be financial ramifications if their kids create mahem, it can straighten them out to. But too often bogan parents just take it out on the kids making the problem worse. There is an argument for sterilizing bogans so they can't breed >:D
The families/people affected by juvenile crime should spend 'quality' time with the juve and his/her parents (all 5, 6, 7, 8... of them).
I worked for a month at Winlaton Detention Centre (for teenage girls) in the 80s. Tragedy was that more than 80% of these teens were going along nicely until sexually violated (at 5, or 8, or 11 or for years until they ran away). Their lives and personalities changed, often dramatically, after the violation.
As a point of interest, it was former Blue Glenn Manton's goal when setting up White Lion to intercept kids who left prison before they reconnected with their contaminated community. And then give them all the support they needed to help them become productive and happy members of society.
When dealing with juveniles, there is no 'one size fits all' punishment for crimes, no matter how serious. The problem with prison for juvenile offenders is that it can have a toxic effect during their formative years. It's a delicate process and not one so simply cut and dried as 'throw him in the slammer' like it may be with adults.
Some do time and become somewhat institutionalised....when released they tend to reflect on how good they were in the 'big house' compared to out in the world with no boundaries nor restrictions and want back in, so they might go and commit another crime to ensure that. Have spoken to a few experts on this and heard of a particular case where an individual stole a car and drove it to the correctional facility in a plea to be let back in. Others have followed with committing petty crimes out of desperation to get back in. Not the way to go if you're looking at the bigger picture of this country.
Sometimes of course there will be no choice but to have juvenile offenders do time, but it should be an absolute last resort. Diversion programs are the way to go - there are many cases where some juveniles have looked hopeless cases, been put on these types of programs whether it be into educational courses, part time work, etc, and turned themselves right around. All comes down to what program will best suit the individual's needs of getting back on track.
It certainly is more constructive to both society, the future and the lives of those in question if the chosen pathway/program is beneficial to the individual. Much more constructive than time in the slammer during formative years. My take anyway.
When dealing with juveniles, there is no 'one size fits all' punishment for crimes, no matter how serious. The problem with prison for juvenile offenders is that it can have a toxic effect during their formative years. It's a delicate process and not one so simply cut and dried as 'throw him in the slammer' like it may be with adults.
Some do time and become somewhat institutionalised....when released they tend to reflect on how good they were in the 'big house' compared to out in the world with no boundaries nor restrictions and want back in, so they might go and commit another crime to ensure that. Have spoken to a few experts on this and heard of a particular case where an individual stole a car and drove it to the correctional facility in a plea to be let back in. Others have followed with committing petty crimes out of desperation to get back in. Not the way to go if you're looking at the bigger picture of this country.
Sometimes of course there will be no choice but to have juvenile offenders do time, but it should be an absolute last resort. Diversion programs are the way to go - there are many cases where some juveniles have looked hopeless cases, been put on these types of programs whether it be into educational courses, part time work, etc, and turned themselves right around. All comes down to what program will best suit the individual's needs of getting back on track.
It certainly is more constructive to both society, the future and the lives of those in question if the chosen pathway/program is beneficial to the individual. Much more constructive than time in the slammer during formative years. My take anyway.
I've been involved with the juvenile justice system for 40 years.
(not as an offender) ;)
You read a fair bit of rubbish with regards to the best way to deal with young offenders
That's an excellent post Goz