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Title: "Malthouse Reveals How The Blues Will Rise In 2014" - HUN
Post by: PassIt2Carrots on December 10, 2013, 09:36:17 pm
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MICK Malthouse has highlighted a 25 per cent player turnover as the key component in a ladder ascent for Carlton next year.
Malthouse said from Arizona yesterday that the Blues would field a vastly more flexible outfit next year.
Recruits Dale Thomas and Andrejs Everitt who would help release players such as Andrew Walker, Chris Yarran and Simon White to forward roles when required.

"There is a public viewpoint that looks at Chris Yarran as if he is 26-27, when he's still just 22. He has the ability to break games apart and that's what I love about him. So we will play him very much at both ends of the ground," Malthouse said.

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He readily admits the game style he arrived with Collingwood wasn't appropriate to the Carlton list so changes were made early on.

"You can't be pig-headed and stick with a game structure that suited Collingwood and took years to develop. I thought I could bring that to Carlton but after four-five weeks in concluded it wasn't working," said Malthouse.

"So I started to look at what was working and what wasn't working, to fit in with the capabilities of the players in my squad."


Read more: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/carlton-coach-mick-malthouse-reveals-how-the-blues-will-rise-in-2014/story-fni5f22o-1226779996501#ixzz2n4DKKvGn

Sounds like some sort of admittance that he forked up at the start.
Title: Re: Mick Says Blues On The Rise
Post by: Lods on December 10, 2013, 09:48:05 pm
Sounds like some sort of admittance that he forked up at the start.

We told him that ;) :D
Title: Re: Mick Says Blues On The Rise
Post by: Mantis on December 10, 2013, 09:51:16 pm
I don't know if he really accepts he has forked up at all. I see it as he tried a game plan that suited the Pies, but not the talent the Blues had at the time. He tried to change it because he isn't a stubborn mule, and can accept something isn't working the way it should on paper. Coaching obviously has some trial and error element to it. The new players will be expected to perform. No doubt Everitt and Thomas for sure. The others might have a small break in period. It will show on the field if he has done what he needs to. I'm still hanging on to hope.
Title: Re: Mick Says Blues On The Rise
Post by: ItsOurTime on December 10, 2013, 10:01:08 pm
Better than the Pago approach but let's see how next year goes before we start claiming improvements.
Title: Re: Mick Says Blues On The Rise
Post by: DJC on December 10, 2013, 10:04:00 pm
Sounds like some sort of admittance that he forked up at the start.

We told him that ;) :D

Exactly Lods!

I wonder how many more games we would have won if Malthouse paid more attention to our pontifications  :-\

It was a monumental blunder on his part though.  Blind Freddy could see that we didn't have the cattle to run the Collingwood gameplan.  Plan B should have been trialled in the NAB Cup  ::)
Title: Re: Mick Says Blues On The Rise
Post by: LP on December 11, 2013, 10:29:12 am
I don't know if he really accepts he has forked up at all. I see it as he tried a game plan that suited the Pies, but not the talent the Blues had at the time.

I suppose I am skeptical, but I think the list changes could be an indication he is re-working the list to go back to the plan rather than developing a new plan! Of those Everitt is the biggest curiosity for me!

Better than the Pago approach but let's see how next year goes before we start claiming improvements.

Yes at this stage, but if things don't improve rapidly he will be screwing his reputation big time.

In effect he has changed the list to what he wants, changed the staff to what he wants, changed the training to his preferred scheme. He has no more excuses, he has put his ar5e on the line, will the players respond?
Title: "Malthouse Reveals How The Blues Will Rise In 2014" - HUN
Post by: LordLucifer on December 11, 2013, 10:42:29 am
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MICK Malthouse has highlighted a 25 per cent player turnover as the key component in a ladder ascent for Carlton next year. 
 
Malthouse said from Arizona yesterday that the Blues would field a vastly more flexible outfit next year.

Recruits Dale Thomas and Andrejs Everitt who would help release players such as Andrew Walker, Chris Yarran and Simon White to forward roles when required.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/carlton-coach-mick-malthouse-reveals-how-the-blues-will-rise-in-2014/story-fni5f22o-1226779996501
Title: Re: "Malthouse Reveals How The Blues Will Rise In 2014" - HUN
Post by: shadesy on December 11, 2013, 11:52:32 am
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MICK Malthouse has highlighted a 25 per cent player turnover as the key component in a ladder ascent for Carlton next year.
Malthouse said from Arizona yesterday that the Blues would field a vastly more flexible outfit next year.
Recruits Dale Thomas and Andrejs Everitt who would help release players such as Andrew Walker, Chris Yarran and Simon White to forward roles when required.

"There is a public viewpoint that looks at Chris Yarran as if he is 26-27, when he's still just 22. He has the ability to break games apart and that's what I love about him. So we will play him very much at both ends of the ground," Malthouse said.

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He readily admits the game style he arrived with Collingwood wasn't appropriate to the Carlton list so changes were made early on.

"You can't be pig-headed and stick with a game structure that suited Collingwood and took years to develop. I thought I could bring that to Carlton but after four-five weeks in concluded it wasn't working," said Malthouse.

"So I started to look at what was working and what wasn't working, to fit in with the capabilities of the players in my squad."


Read more: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/carlton-coach-mick-malthouse-reveals-how-the-blues-will-rise-in-2014/story-fni5f22o-1226779996501#ixzz2n4DKKvGn

Sounds like some sort of admittance that he forked up at the start.

I remember being howled down for suggesting such treason!
Title: Re: "Malthouse Reveals How The Blues Will Rise In 2014" - HUN
Post by: Gozza on December 11, 2013, 12:03:00 pm
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MICK Malthouse has highlighted a 25 per cent player turnover as the key component in a ladder ascent for Carlton next year.
Malthouse said from Arizona yesterday that the Blues would field a vastly more flexible outfit next year.
Recruits Dale Thomas and Andrejs Everitt who would help release players such as Andrew Walker, Chris Yarran and Simon White to forward roles when required.

"There is a public viewpoint that looks at Chris Yarran as if he is 26-27, when he's still just 22. He has the ability to break games apart and that's what I love about him. So we will play him very much at both ends of the ground," Malthouse said.

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He readily admits the game style he arrived with Collingwood wasn't appropriate to the Carlton list so changes were made early on.

"You can't be pig-headed and stick with a game structure that suited Collingwood and took years to develop. I thought I could bring that to Carlton but after four-five weeks in concluded it wasn't working," said Malthouse.

"So I started to look at what was working and what wasn't working, to fit in with the capabilities of the players in my squad."


Read more: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/carlton-coach-mick-malthouse-reveals-how-the-blues-will-rise-in-2014/story-fni5f22o-1226779996501#ixzz2n4DKKvGn

Sounds like some sort of admittance that he forked up at the start.

I remember being howled down for suggesting such treason!

Yes but if Malthouse says it, it must be taken as gospel. No questions asked. All hail DEAR LEADER.
Title: Re: "Malthouse Reveals How The Blues Will Rise In 2014" - HUN
Post by: thrunthrublu on December 11, 2013, 01:32:38 pm
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MICK Malthouse has highlighted a 25 per cent player turnover as the key component in a ladder ascent for Carlton next year.
Malthouse said from Arizona yesterday that the Blues would field a vastly more flexible outfit next year.
Recruits Dale Thomas and Andrejs Everitt who would help release players such as Andrew Walker, Chris Yarran and Simon White to forward roles when required.

"There is a public viewpoint that looks at Chris Yarran as if he is 26-27, when he's still just 22. He has the ability to break games apart and that's what I love about him. So we will play him very much at both ends of the ground," Malthouse said.

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He readily admits the game style he arrived with Collingwood wasn't appropriate to the Carlton list so changes were made early on.

"You can't be pig-headed and stick with a game structure that suited Collingwood and took years to develop. I thought I could bring that to Carlton but after four-five weeks in concluded it wasn't working," said Malthouse.

"So I started to look at what was working and what wasn't working, to fit in with the capabilities of the players in my squad."


Read more: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/carlton-coach-mick-malthouse-reveals-how-the-blues-will-rise-in-2014/story-fni5f22o-1226779996501#ixzz2n4DKKvGn

Sounds like some sort of admittance that he forked up at the start.

I remember being howled down for suggesting such treason!

Yes but if Malthouse says it, it must be taken as gospel. No questions asked. All hail DEAR LEADER.

fuhrer ?
Title: Re: "Malthouse Reveals How The Blues Will Rise In 2014" - HUN
Post by: crashlander on December 11, 2013, 01:47:02 pm
Der Führer!
Definitely not 'Il Duce".
Maybe we need Chairman Mao, or maybe not - he stuffed up China monumentally before his successors got their act together.

Ave Imperator! We who are about to die, salute you!
Title: Re: "Malthouse Reveals How The Blues Will Rise In 2014" - HUN
Post by: PassIt2Carrots on December 11, 2013, 02:20:13 pm
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MICK Malthouse has highlighted a 25 per cent player turnover as the key component in a ladder ascent for Carlton next year.
Malthouse said from Arizona yesterday that the Blues would field a vastly more flexible outfit next year.
Recruits Dale Thomas and Andrejs Everitt who would help release players such as Andrew Walker, Chris Yarran and Simon White to forward roles when required.

"There is a public viewpoint that looks at Chris Yarran as if he is 26-27, when he's still just 22. He has the ability to break games apart and that's what I love about him. So we will play him very much at both ends of the ground," Malthouse said.

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He readily admits the game style he arrived with Collingwood wasn't appropriate to the Carlton list so changes were made early on.

"You can't be pig-headed and stick with a game structure that suited Collingwood and took years to develop. I thought I could bring that to Carlton but after four-five weeks in concluded it wasn't working," said Malthouse.

"So I started to look at what was working and what wasn't working, to fit in with the capabilities of the players in my squad."


Read more: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/carlton-coach-mick-malthouse-reveals-how-the-blues-will-rise-in-2014/story-fni5f22o-1226779996501#ixzz2n4DKKvGn

Sounds like some sort of admittance that he forked up at the start.

I remember being howled down for suggesting such treason!

You weren't alone mein fuhrer!!
Title: Re: "Malthouse Reveals How The Blues Will Rise In 2014" - HUN
Post by: LP on December 11, 2013, 02:46:55 pm
In Mick we trust!

Is that Mick as in Catholic, Mick Gatto or Michael Malthouse!

Maybe we need Mick Gatto as a team motivator, no second chances!
Title: Re: "Malthouse Reveals How The Blues Will Rise In 2014" - HUN
Post by: jeza on December 11, 2013, 03:10:47 pm
I think the interesting bit of that article was that we had absolutely no salary cap space to bring anyone in. That's obviously changed this year with 25% list turn-over that's given MM a lot more freedom than he had last time around.

I remember the start of last year - everyone seemed to be playing like they were just getting to know each other again. We still lost games towards the end of the year but things didn't seem as disjointed. Everyone got used to the way Simo/Walker were playing off half-back.

Judd falling away and Murphy's knee did us no favours.

Have to cross our fingers that all our top players have excellent years this time around because we don't have many of them.

Huge year for Kreuz, Murphy, Thomas and Judd. All 4 should be elite.
Title: Re: "Malthouse Reveals How The Blues Will Rise In 2014" - HUN
Post by: PassIt2Carrots on December 11, 2013, 03:21:38 pm
Huge year for Kreuz, Murphy, Thomas and Judd. All 4 should be elite.

Agree with three of them but not Judd. He will decline again. I also don't trust Kreuz most definitely a wait and see.
Title: Re: "Malthouse Reveals How The Blues Will Rise In 2014" - HUN
Post by: LP on December 11, 2013, 03:32:03 pm
In most years I take zero notice of the pre-season games, but this year there better be some difference.

I don't want to see the usual top guns out there looking like superstars against a bunch of half-hearted nerds. Borderline players like White, Casboult, Rowe, Watson and Lucas better start looking like Brownlow medalists in the nothing games or I fear things are going to be grim in 2014!

If you cannot dominate when your opponent is half-hearted what can you do in the real deal?
Title: Re: "Malthouse Reveals How The Blues Will Rise In 2014" - HUN
Post by: jeza on December 11, 2013, 04:21:23 pm
Huge year for Kreuz, Murphy, Thomas and Judd. All 4 should be elite.

Agree with three of them but not Judd. He will decline again. I also don't trust Kreuz most definitely a wait and see.

I agree but I also wouldn't be surprised if the heat went off Judd a little this year. I think teams will start to wake up to the fact that he is not really worth hard tagging any more which will free him up a bit more.

I think there is a glimmer of hope there for him this year.
Title: Re: "Malthouse Reveals How The Blues Will Rise In 2014" - HUN
Post by: Thryleon on December 11, 2013, 04:54:02 pm
Huge year for Kreuz, Murphy, Thomas and Judd. All 4 should be elite.

Agree with three of them but not Judd. He will decline again. I also don't trust Kreuz most definitely a wait and see.

I agree but I also wouldn't be surprised if the heat went off Judd a little this year. I think teams will start to wake up to the fact that he is not really worth hard tagging any more which will free him up a bit more.

I think there is a glimmer of hope there for him this year.

Im with you Jeza, players dont go over a cliff once they turn 30.  Sure, he had an ordinary year, but champions like Judd dont have two ordinary years in a row.  Watch this space...
Title: Re: "Malthouse Reveals How The Blues Will Rise In 2014" - HUN
Post by: ItsOurTime on December 11, 2013, 04:54:17 pm
In most years I take zero notice of the pre-season games, but this year there better be some difference.

I don't want to see the usual top guns out there looking like superstars against a bunch of half-hearted nerds. Borderline players like White, Casboult, Rowe, Watson and Lucas better start looking like Brownlow medalists in the nothing games or I fear things are going to be grim in 2014!

If you cannot dominate when your opponent is half-hearted what can you do in the real deal?

We looked pretty good last preseason but the final was a closer indicator of where we were than the previous games. Rowe and Levi looked like Hart and Lockett in one game.
Title: Re: "Malthouse Reveals How The Blues Will Rise In 2014" - HUN
Post by: Baggers on December 11, 2013, 05:00:55 pm
I take very little notice of pre season games.

I remember us being rubbish in the pre season games then going on and winning premierships... and in more recent times I recall us winning 2 pre season premierships and going on to be rubbish.

Time to experiment and check out newbies... that's about it.
Title: Re: "Malthouse Reveals How The Blues Will Rise In 2014" - HUN
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 11, 2013, 10:02:23 pm
I take very little notice of pre season games.

I remember us being rubbish in the pre season games then going on and winning premierships... and in more recent times I recall us winning 2 pre season premierships and going on to be rubbish.

Time to experiment and check out newbies... that's about it.


x2....No point flogging our good players and I would use the preseason to test a few kids out and see where they are at......Duigan has gone so there is a senior spot up for grabs.....would love a kid like Reynolds or Johnson to show something and get that spot...
Title: Re: "Malthouse Reveals How The Blues Will Rise In 2014" - HUN
Post by: thrunthrublu on December 11, 2013, 10:19:56 pm
Der Führer!
Definitely not 'Il Duce".
Maybe we need Chairman Mao, or maybe not - he stuffed up China monumentally before his successors got their act together.

Ave Imperator! We who are about to die, salute you!

mein kampf  2002 -2008
Title: Re: "Malthouse Reveals How The Blues Will Rise In 2014" - HUN
Post by: MilkIt on December 11, 2013, 10:22:46 pm
I take very little notice of pre season games.

I remember us being rubbish in the pre season games then going on and winning premierships... and in more recent times I recall us winning 2 pre season premierships and going on to be rubbish.

Time to experiment and check out newbies... that's about it.


x2....No point flogging our good players and I would use the preseason to test a few kids out and see where they are at......Duigan has gone so there is a senior spot up for grabs.....would love a kid like Reynolds or Johnson to show something and get that spot...

I'm not against elevating Wood and making sure that Kreuzer is absolutely ready to go. Even if it means he misses the first 5-6 games of the year to make up for his interrupted preseason. Some on here may have already pencilled this in as a certainty. ::)

Title: Re: "Malthouse Reveals How The Blues Will Rise In 2014" - HUN
Post by: Sexybronco on December 11, 2013, 10:54:12 pm
I take very little notice of pre season games.

I remember us being rubbish in the pre season games then going on and winning premierships... and in more recent times I recall us winning 2 pre season premierships and going on to be rubbish.

Time to experiment and check out newbies... that's about it.


x2....No point flogging our good players and I would use the preseason to test a few kids out and see where they are at......Duigan has gone so there is a senior spot up for grabs.....would love a kid like Reynolds or Johnson to show something and get that spot...

I'm not against elevating Wood and making sure that Kreuzer is absolutely ready to go. Even if it means he misses the first 5-6 games of the year to make up for his interrupted preseason. Some on here may have already pencilled this in as a certainty. ::)
He's the only rookie with AFL experience so it makes sense to me.
Title: Re: "Malthouse Reveals How The Blues Will Rise In 2014" - HUN
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 11, 2013, 11:11:21 pm
Wood isnt going to make us better just give us cover and he can do that from the rookie list...if  a player like Reynolds can make an impact then we might get to a premeirship quicker...
Title: Re: "Malthouse Reveals How The Blues Will Rise In 2014" - HUN
Post by: Juddkreuzer on December 12, 2013, 12:13:05 am
Wood isnt going to make us better just give us cover and he can do that from the rookie list...if  a player like Reynolds can make an impact then we might get to a premeirship quicker...

This is your perception, but remember MM drafted this bloke and knows him inside out. Questions over Warnock/Kreuzer still prevail and Wood is deemed an adequate stop gap. His promotion is no lesser than Hammer as third Ruckman.
Title: Re: "Malthouse Reveals How The Blues Will Rise In 2014" - HUN
Post by: ItsOurTime on December 12, 2013, 12:30:31 am
It would be a bizarre move to put Wood on the senior list after trading Hammer.
Title: Re: "Malthouse Reveals How The Blues Will Rise In 2014" - HUN
Post by: Phillipwh on December 12, 2013, 09:10:54 am
I always appreciate your comments ItsOurTime
but I am for Wood's promotion, because he is only of use to us if he can be spotted in the senior team. I hope it is infrequent, but MickM knows what he can do.

I always viewed Hammer as the next best thing, but he never happened,
he is routinely injured
and Wood costs peanuts in comparison.

Perhaps Hammer might happen this year, for his sake I hope so, but let's wait and see
Title: Re: "Malthouse Reveals How The Blues Will Rise In 2014" - HUN
Post by: LP on December 12, 2013, 10:18:12 am
It would be a bizarre move to put Wood on the senior list after trading Hammer.

You blokes are trying to wind me up!

You know this is going to happen, it is exactly the way our club goes about stuff!
Title: Re: "Malthouse Reveals How The Blues Will Rise In 2014" - HUN
Post by: thrunthrublu on December 12, 2013, 05:33:02 pm
Wood will be promoted because that's how MM rolls
discarded by the filth , hated by the supporters - sure as hell MM is going to make him play well
its in the - vengeance 101 playbook for dummies
Title: Re: "Malthouse Reveals How The Blues Will Rise In 2014" - HUN
Post by: Mantis on December 12, 2013, 08:51:20 pm
If wood has a clean pair of hands, watch Mick drop him up forward to kick a few here and there for us. What some here wouldn't want to hear or see, but Hammer didn't do the forward role as we may have wished him to. Mick didn't pick any tall forward options for us either. All this tells me our ruck as a forward option might be exercised one more season. Just a guess though.
Title: Re: "Malthouse Reveals How The Blues Will Rise In 2014" - HUN
Post by: kruddler on December 15, 2013, 06:00:44 pm
Sounds like some sort of admittance that he forked up at the start.

He said that himself after Round 4. Where were you?

Pretty sure we had a decent discussion about it and why he required time to get the game plan right given what he implemented during the pre-season had to be revised and relaunched 4 rounds in.
Title: Re: "Malthouse Reveals How The Blues Will Rise In 2014" - HUN
Post by: PassIt2Carrots on December 15, 2013, 08:59:04 pm
Sounds like some sort of admittance that he forked up at the start.

He said that himself after Round 4. Where were you?

Pretty sure we had a decent discussion about it and why he required time to get the game plan right given what he implemented during the pre-season had to be revised and relaunched 4 rounds in.

Just sayin.....no need to get all defensive! Sheesh! :P
Title: Re: "Malthouse Reveals How The Blues Will Rise In 2014" - HUN
Post by: Juddkreuzer on December 16, 2013, 12:52:22 am
Sounds like some sort of admittance that he forked up at the start.

He said that himself after Round 4. Where were you?

Pretty sure we had a decent discussion about it and why he required time to get the game plan right given what he implemented during the pre-season had to be revised and relaunched 4 rounds in.

Just sayin.....no need to get all defensive! Sheesh! :P

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