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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Leadership Group 2018
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 I will think twice before i offer up that much money to an injury plagued player in the future. However, I do remember that we had a similar potential issue when we offered Chris Judd large quantities of cash despite being under a huge injury cloud at the time.
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Yes, a groin injury which mucked up his 07 season. Had surgery at the end of 07, and then he was right to go. I'd be curious to know what our medico said about recruiting Judd. As has been mentioned numerous times, our medico was against getting Daisy.

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If i'm looking at it from Boltons point of view, i don't care how much each player is being paid during the season, that comes into effect in the off-season. During the season all i'm worried about is getting my boys to play the way i want them to play. I reward players who do as i say and i need to balance experience with youth on match day. I pick the best team of players from the entire list to help me achieve my goals.
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Agree.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Leadership Group 2018
Aren't they relevant?

Didn't Daisy voluntarily decline nominations for the leadership group and stand down from media roles to concentrate on football?

There are other players that this scenario might be applicable to, it's just we have Daisy as a prime example!

Is leadership value linked to on-field performance? How will the Daisy and Murphy haters, who are often the same posters, consistently answer that question?

From a series of declarative statements it's dead easy to arrive at emotive conclusions that open a can of worms in regard to contradictions. In R&D it can sometimes be referred to as magical thinking, which is often a result of cherry picking data. In the media I think it's called fake news!

So far as I can tell, the last few pages of this thread have nothing to do with Daisy being in the 2018 leadership group.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Leadership Group 2018
There is no doubt this is the case, which is why I wrote my post.

A players worth has little to do with their role. A spud who can tag an Ablett Jnr, in some specific Premiership phase or moment, might be more valuable to a club than a player like Judd! It's all a matter of what you have and what you lack, who is available and what they will cost!

That's why lesser lights like Tom Bell and Kerridge can finish top 10 in the B+F, and why Daisy can't.

Daisy = Einstein's brain + Montgomery Burns' body.

It's a shame, because in his day he was a gun.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Leadership Group 2018
His recruitment wasn't terrible, his remuneration was!

Connecting the two is unrealistic, it's not Daisy's fault, the anger should be directed elsewhere.

Overall he is well above being the worst in the 22, in fact when fans are able to divorce their evaluation of his performance from his remuneration he sits comfortably in the top half of the squad in just about any terms they choose to measure except value for money. Which is in itself an indictment on our list and our recent history. But again, the performance of those around him isn't his problem.

Given the points I made in my reply #129, it's not just the money, the whole idea of getting him to the club was wrong.

He's finished in B+F top 10 once in his time with us (in 2014, when he finished 10th).

IMO, the attraction for Bolts is that Daisy is a very smart, natural footballer, and Bolts knows that he can rely on Daisy to reinforce the coach's voice on match day, and that's really his value IMO - as the coach's voice in-game. His actual match day work (tackles, goals, running etc) is limited.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Leadership Group 2018
The club bent over far too easily in their rush to get new messiahs. Daisy was coming off a 5 game season in 2013. He had surgery in November 2012, then again in May 2013, then returns to the VFL and injures the ankle again in Aug 2013. The club ignored the medical advice of it own doctor, who said no to Daisy.........

With the benefit of hindsight, it beggars belief the club spent more than 30 seconds even thinking about his recruitment.

And no, Daisy hasn't done anything wrong per se, but he is the main character in a lousy tale of woe, so he will be forever associated with the whole debacle.

I didn't dislike Daisy as a Pie, and I don't dislike him as a Blue, but his recruitment was still a lame ar$se decision.

Oh well - one can only hope the club has learned its lesson.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-19/doc-doubting-thomas
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Leadership Group 2018
I'm confused (not hard to do). Didn't his contract expire last year and he was given an 1yr extension? They could have given him the flick last year correct? If your assessment is correct, given how ruthless SOS with list management, he would not have been there this year IMO.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/dale-thomas-has-done-enough-to-play-on-says-marc-murphy-20170823-gy2uny.html

An old story, but the clause that guaranteed him a 5th season (2018) was dropped by Daisy, so he earned an extra season on merit.

Having seen plenty of Bolton's pressers and other interviews etc., there's little doubt in my mind that Bolts likes Daisy and likes having him around.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Leadership Group 2018
Again, nothing of which he has any control over. Guilty by association and its bollocks.

I'd have any bloke at the club that offers that kind of effort day in day out no matter where he came from and who he may or may not have been associated with.

The point is though, those sorts of qualities are not the sole preserve of highly paid, contentious, injury scarred recruits - you can get players with those sorts of qualities without going down the Daisy road.  
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Leadership Group 2018
He isn't the sore point, his contract is. Blame the club and/or his management.
He is doing everything you could ask of him.

His presence at the club is a sore point for some, and would be even if was on half the coin. If Mick wasn't coach at the time, Daisy would never have been on our radar.

His presence at the club is enmeshed with a whole lot of other crap that went down at the same time, and he's caught up in it, so he gets whacked almost by association. He has comported himself with class the whole time, unlike his mentor, and that's a credit to him. But he should never have been there in the first place, at least IMO.