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Re: Post Game Philosphical Discussion: AFL 2020 Rd 18: Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #75 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
I thought Williamson was ok, gave us some drive and run and his kicking was good.
Gibbons had a shocker IMO, I'm a fan of VFL moneyball players but from what I could see was picked up by
Rich who was close to BOG and everytime he got the ball we suffered with those long kicks and he never had an opponent all night.






Thats as much a coaching problem. You need to man up on Rich like others have done to us with Doc.

Re: Post Game Philosphical Discussion: AFL 2020 Rd 18: Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #76 –
Quote from: bratblue on
Thats as much a coaching problem. You need to man up on Rich like others have done to us with Doc.

I guess you need to man up closely on any player who is giving the opposition strong forward drive. Rich was certainly doing that.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: Post Game Philosphical Discussion: AFL 2020 Rd 18: Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #77 –
our half forwards dont put enough pressure on opponents , we don't learn coll maynard cripps again,gws hayes bog ,and rich bog ,over to the coaches

Re: Post Game Philosphical Discussion: AFL 2020 Rd 18: Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #78 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
I thought Williamson was ok, gave us some drive and run and his kicking was good.
Gibbons had a shocker IMO, I'm a fan of VFL moneyball players but from what I could see was picked up by
Rich who was close to BOG and everytime he got the ball we suffered with those long kicks and he never had an opponent all night.





If it were up to me, I'd challenge Willo to take his tank and fitness to the next level and play him in the midfield.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: Post Game Philosphical Discussion: AFL 2020 Rd 18: Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #79 –
Thought Pittonet played a really good game last night....ordinary conditions but he battled in the ruck and on a few occasions took possession and booted it forward...an absolute competitor. Williamson played one of his better games and looks to have got a bit of confidence up in the last few weeks and is prepared to take it on...gets caught on his wrong side a bit but absolutely worth getting a lot of games into him this season.

On the assumption Curnow is fit next season, would have to think one of Casboult or McGovern has to go? If we play one ruckman, then Casboult plays that backup role much better and can rest forward or go back if needed...if McKay and Curnow are playing, impossible to see where McGovern can fit in.....if Marchbank can ever get fit, he's more suited to that third tall role than McGovern ever will be.

Love the way Martin goes about it...one of the few that is prepared to put his body on the line and go in hard. Hopefully he's better for it next year.

But if we can't sort out skills by hand and foot in the off-season, we'll be bottom 6 again. Yes it was set and slippery but how many times did Brisbane hit a target lace out.....and we hit them lace out on a few occasions too!

Re: Post Game Philosphical Discussion: AFL 2020 Rd 18: Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #80 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton on
If it were up to me, I'd challenge Willo to take his tank and fitness to the next level and play him in the midfield.
Make a good tall winger would Williamson, hopefully his body holds up and we get more improvement next season.
One of my fav players as I have said before but needs a good season next year with lists getting tighter and probably more talent from other clubs around with clubs forced to cut players they would normally keep.

Re: Post Game Philosphical Discussion: AFL 2020 Rd 18: Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #81 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
Make a good tall winger would Williamson, hopefully his body holds up and we get more improvement next season.
One of my fav players as I have said before but needs a good season next year with lists getting tighter and probably more talent from other clubs around with clubs forced to cut players they would normally keep.
Needs a decent run at string of games without injury to build confidence and continuity. Has good evasive skills (sidestep) and can get out of traffic and find clear air.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: Post Game Philosphical Discussion: AFL 2020 Rd 18: Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #82 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
Make a good tall winger would Williamson, hopefully his body holds up and we get more improvement next season.
One of my fav players as I have said before but needs a good season next year with lists getting tighter and probably more talent from other clubs around with clubs forced to cut players they would normally keep.
Would love to see him on a wing. Let's use his long kicking. Wasted on HBF I think.

Re: Post Game Philosphical Discussion: AFL 2020 Rd 18: Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #83 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
Make a good tall winger would Williamson, hopefully his body holds up and we get more improvement next season.
One of my fav players as I have said before but needs a good season next year with lists getting tighter and probably more talent from other clubs around with clubs forced to cut players they would normally keep.

Hey, there were really good signs from Willo last night, took on the game, went the dash (in difficult conditions) and his disposal by foot was accurate and penetrating... I really think he got some confidence last night and hopefully will carry this into next season, and, yep, winger who drifts back and forward - potential huge headache for opposition club. I, also, am a big wrap for this kid... bad start but coming along nicely. Oh, and got some shyte on his liver, we like that.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

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Reply #84 –
Yep, very pleased by how Willo is developing. Hopefully he'll go on with it next year.
Reality always wins in the end.

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Reply #85 –
Willo gets a bit of a pass.  He's effectively a second year player thanks to injury.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Post Game Philosphical Discussion: AFL 2020 Rd 18: Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #86 –
Cannot believe some of the quotes about Martin
Instead of putting his head over the aggot he squibbed it big time and McCarthy goals

So screwing overrated
If don’t believe me watch the replay
The guy picks and chooses

Re: Post Game Philosphical Discussion: AFL 2020 Rd 18: Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #87 –
Quote from: keogh on
Cannot believe some of the quotes about Martin
Instead of putting his head over the aggot he squibbed it big time and McCarthy goals

So screwing overrated
If don’t believe me watch the replay
The guy picks and chooses

I'm not sure about his efforts at the contest but he definitely picks and chooses about whether (or not) to chase when he doesn't have the ball.  Has the speed when he wants to use it but too often his chase is half-hearted and he allows opponents to leave him behind when running into attacking positions.
 

Re: Post Game Philosphical Discussion: AFL 2020 Rd 18: Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #88 –
Murphy and Cripps don't chase, why does Martin have higher expectations?
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: Post Game Philosphical Discussion: AFL 2020 Rd 18: Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #89 –
I'd be wary of drawing firm conclusions about work rate and chasing on the TV. Not being able to see what happens off camera is a big issue. I think all players from all clubs will give up the chase at some point, I think all players have to make a split second decision about whether to chase or not chase. i'm sure sometimes they may think some other mug will do it, or they may simply be too stuffed or focussing on the next contest. There may also be specific instructions from the coach about numbers at the contest vs numbers on the outside, as I've mentioned earlier.