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Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 17: Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #60 –
Quote from: northernblue on
I know you’re talking mid season draft, but we did take McDonald in the Pre season, who looked hand before getting injured.
So they did address it, sort of… 🙄
Obviously Mcdonald got injured and then we had zero left in the cupboard.
You add we never replaced Kerr and you would have thought a taller KP type would be more handy as insurance than another small to mid type in Boyd. It's not hindsight as we knew what we had on the list and gambled Jones and Weitering wouldnt get injured..

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 17: Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #61 –
Quote from: shawny on
The better teams would never have paid what we did for this bloke. And yet there are still those who want to give him more chances.

Cameo player and even then it’s when it matters little then goes missing for big chunks of games and rarely if ever influences the outcome. Sadly we are paying A grade rates on a bloke that is nothing more then a C grader at best.
Whilst I agree, we cant a-hole the  guy just yet. He lopes around with not much intensity and it craps me to tears.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 17: Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #62 –
When Samo kicked the first and then marked another dead in front, I thought we could be on here. His miss then set the scene and they just kept missing sitters. Game over.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 17: Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #63 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton on
Whilst I agree, we cant a-hole the  guy just yet. He lopes around with not much intensity and it craps me to tears.
Got plenty of talent and his best is A grade but can't play 4 quarters or play a full season.
Always taped up and looks like he is carrying injuries, very frustrating player.

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 17: Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #64 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
Got plenty of talent and his best is A grade but can't play 4 quarters or play a full season.
Always taped up and looks like he is carrying injuries, very frustrating player.

Then dont play him. He offered zero today.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 17: Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #65 –
Quote from: Thryleon on
Bad kicking is bad football.

Lack of composure lost us that one.

I lost count of the number of times we were in the box seat to score or create a scoring opportunity only to mis kick, fumble or choose the wrong option to the cats advantage and we were still half a chance.



Spot on, Thry.  Every game we see that when opposition players with good foot skills get the ball they almost immediately make a positive decision about moving the ball to advantage.

On the other hand, so many Carlton players have a moment of indecision - will they kick the ball or look to handball because they don't have faith in their ability to hit a target.  Consequently, sometimes under pressure, and sometimes not, we get bad handballs to team mates or a split second decision to kick the ball, usually ending in a turnover.

We are our own worst enemy.

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 17: Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #66 –
Personally, as infuriating as it is to play well against sides we can't beat I was more than happy with the output of the players on the park today.
1. Effort. Plenty of it. All day. 4 quarters
2. Undermanned. Undersized. Refused to roll over.
3. Went the corridor. Didn't work some times but stuck to the task.
4. A lot of blokes were playing against the odds with the opponents they were tasked with but gave it their all. So what more can you ask for.
The biggest disappointment for me was that we play this well against good sides and play like crape against teams we should spank. Let's see how we go next week with the filth.

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 17: Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #67 –
I mentioned before that when a team is playing well and are on top of the opposition fringe players can look better because the support is there to give them extra time to execute or cover their deficiencies.
When a team is facing a better class of  opposition struggling players who aren't quite up to it are exposed because the support isn't there.
Team-mates are more concerned with their own responsibilities
It's why players can look a million dollars against an Adelaide but duds against a Geelong.

There are a group of players, though, who do the opposite.
When the support isn't there they just raise their own efforts and take their game to another level.
They're your elite.
Your A-graders
Your champions
Your Walsh and Weitering types. ;)

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 17: Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #68 –
Effort was there, this was lost by the coaching staff. If we kicked accurately from our limited entries it would have masked what a poor game plan it was.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 17: Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #69 –
https://www.afl.com.au/news/443427/im-embarrassed-says-roos

I link this for reference, from 2014 :

Despite kicking just three goals (from 19 scoring shots), Roos said he wished fixing the problem was as easy as changing the game plan.

"I wish it was that simple ... [if it was] I'd happily change [the game plan]. You are assessing yourself as a coach all the time, there is no question, but just the simple errors ... just incredible," Roos said. 

"If you have got an inability to hit targets, it's really hard to implement a game plan because you just can't execute the most basic skills." 

I think he's right. When you can't hit targets, you turn the ball over frequently, can't make tackles stick, keep kicking behinds, IMO game plan is almost irrelevant. Add to this the almighty Review, and you have a football department distracted from the task at hand by unnecessary decisions.

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 17: Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #70 –
A for effort, F for everything else.

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 17: Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #71 –
Ironic given the kicking yesterday but....
Zac Tuohy (on the Sunday Footy Show) has just credited David Teague as being very helpful with his kicking back in his early days when Teague was a development coach at Carlton
 

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 17: Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #72 –
Grant Thomas on Twitter :

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/carlton-blues/afl-news-2021-david-teague-press-conference-carlton-blues-poor-goalkicking-grant-thomas-twitter/news-story/c84fad2cec1a158087ca05081fa6e79a

“Carlton just have some very selfish players that are more interested in their own performance than team performance,” former St Kilda coach Grant Thomas wrote on Twitter.

“They’ve tried really hard, kicked inaccurately (because they don’t pass). Floodgates about to open big time I reckon.”

Obviously it's just one man's opinion, but the last 24 hours of his Twitter feed make for interesting reading. Sample :

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 17: Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #73 –
I thought our endeavor was good and we stuck manfully to the defensive side of the game plan. Fifteen players unavailable for selection, six of them would be in the best twenty-two, five who would be the back ups and only four in the development phase of their career. It would be interesting to know how many out there are playing with injuries, besides Cripps, wouldn't be playing if we had more fit players on the list.
Some people around me were critical of the Coach and thought he should have come up with some killer move that would change the game, however I thought the coaching was fine as you can only play the hand you are dealt. I thought the match up were good and I thought there was a method of play that if executed well could have given us a pathway to victory. Unfortunately our decision making and skills were sub-par. I have no idea what Stocker was trying to do in the last quarter.
It is a question I use to ask regularly a couple of years ago. Do they actually practice their kicking? They practice in game scenarios and match game strategy and football intelligence, but do they actually practice the basic skills. Too many of our players don't kick with penetration or accuracy, both around the ground and at goal, and many can't kick fifty metres. If you can't kick to your team mates advantage and if you can't kick goals, then there is no game plan.
On the upside, I thought Silvagni has embraced his second ruck role, our defence has improved since the mid-field has tightened up, and I thought the fact we were able to have a number of straight forward shots on goal was good. The downside was our accuracy on goals, our decision making and skill execution coming out of defence and transitioning to the forwards was sometimes comical, and I thought a few of our senior players in Martin, Betts, Newman and Newnes, (though Newnes was placed in the media's best), were less than effective on the day than what we need if we are going to be competitive with the better sides.
A for effort and F for execution makes for another frustrating day at the football.

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 17: Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #74 –
With our 5hit goalkicking, 5hit kicking going forward, where does that leaves Geelong. On face value (we know if they were goals the games changes but we'll run with it), if we kicked poorly for 6.10 instead of 2.14 at 3/4 time we'd be in front. No wonder a number of their fans said they were happy to just take the 4pts and move on.