With no vision, no narrative and nothing particularly interesting to say, the Victorian Liberals should not be surprised to lose a parliament they won by a bee's dick.
The Federallies are going to take it out on our state, they have a vindictive leader!
The Federallies are going to take it out on our state, they have a vindictive leader!
Qld next. Te he he he. Sleep tight Tony...not long to go.
Labor left a train wreck 4 years ago..desal plant myki etc...libs fixed the budget now it will blow it out again by breaking the east west contract....situation normal....
What's the big fuss? They all leave train wrecks (though I will admit Brumby was especially bad) which begs the question, how does someone like Brumby come in and cripple the state and then retire on a 2.3 million dollar superannuation fund? Not to mention free flights etc for him and his family for the rest of his life. That's tax payers money they he pissed up the wall and still gets to retire on.
Liberals ran a poor campaign attacking Andrews which was their only strategy and the ALP really hurt them on education with their campaign focusing on cuts to TAFE etc....when you get companies closing down and high unemployment its very hard to win an election even with a AAA credit rating and surplus.
They hardly crippled the state. Those claims were overblown, and I reckon made it harder for the Libs when the got in. Past 4 years have been dysfunctional. That's why they are the first one term government in a bloody long time.
And trying to divert the Frankston Line from going to Flinders St was suicidal.
The Liberal campaign was disgraceful, people would have voted them out for all the crap they were putting in their mailboxes.
I've never voted Liberal but I think Doyle summed it up well when he said that the reason for Napthine not receiving a second term was due to the fact that Baillieu bailed and it gave voters an out clause. Nothing against Denis who did a mighty job to try and get things done. Napthine was also a scapegoat for Abbotts pathetic first term in government that shall be short lived. Notice how Bishop and Howard were sent to try and salvage a victory because Tony is political poison.
Kennett tonight said that the East West project will go ahead according to understandings he has with ALP members due to the fact that it is too far gone. Blind Freddy knew that, yet the Victorian electorate have voted for a mob who have secured power based on lies and the support of union thugs.
Like I said I have never voted Liberal, but I'll be farked if I'll support a carnt like Andrews who is in bed with corrupt unions and doesn't give a crape to what it means to every day Victorians.
unelected premier, replaced with a union thugs puppet - bikie gangs rejoicing everywhere.
Abbott will be sh1tting himself right about now.
Abbott will be sh1tting himself right about now.
And so he should be!! If they were smart they'd put Bishop/Turnbull up but they're dumb carnts who will reap what they have sewn.
Unless the new State ALP government perform outstandingly well the Coalition losing office at a state level is probably an advantage federally.
The new Government will need to be disciplined and responsible or it becomes a burden for National Labor.
Just a quick question here...
How many people were happy with the proposed east-west link?
How many people would actually use it? How often?
Personally, i couldn't give 2 $hits about it, as i live in the northern suburbs.
As far as i can tell, not many people would actually travel from east to west or vice versa going across the city. Most people want to get into the city. Yes, i know that is still possible, but wouldn't it make sense to upgrade the trains and public transport to ease east/west travel?
FWIW, Labor, Liberal and Greens all decided to extend the rail network out north which is what we all care about up here.
The east west link is important, it's an absolute nightmare for traffic trying to get from the Tulla/Calder to the Eastern and it's only going to get worse and with no public transport options available it probably does need to be done at some stage. Doesn't really affect me either.
Its an absolute nightmare for traffic everywhere in Melbourne.
Plenty road is the main road to the northern suburbs. It starts at Thornbury and continues through to the fastest growing area in Victoria South Morang/Mernda/Doreen and continues all the way to Whittlesea. 27km straight up in all.
It can take you 30 minutes to get through the South Morang/Doreen section everyday. That is only a 6km long stretch of road. This is not in the heart of the city, this is a good 45minutes out of town!
This is why they are extending the rail line in this area, but point is, traffic is $hit everywhere. Is the EAST/WEST link really going to fix it?
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Yes for those going west to east! :P
But fair enough traffic is forked. I just remember what it was like getting from the eastern suburbs to the west gate bridge before they built the tunnels and think of what it would be like now if they had not built those tunnels.
I seem to recall the major unions were happy with east west link?
East west link is essential.
delusional inner city lefties that voted green/ labor will just have to breath the lovely air from the stop start cars and grid Iock of the eastern freeway and alexander avenue...
East west link is essential.
delusional inner city lefties that voted green/ labor will just have to breath the lovely air from the stop start cars and grid Iock of the eastern freeway and alexander avenue...
It will become a vital piece of infrastructure. No doubt about it.
Will be interesting to see if the new govt can back out of the contract. My personal opinion is that they wont or cant.
For people in the south and east - linking up east link to the ring-road
makes _way_ more sense than turning the eastern
into another tolled car park as commuters pay to wait in a tunnel at a slow moving off-ramp.
You can imagine how the regional towns were so happy about loosing tafes, hospitals and driving on crumbling roads so the money can be spent on an eastern suburbs indulgence which does not stack up.
It won't move trucks off the road because it doesn't go through to the west.
I won't help commuters because it dumps commuters at the same clogged exits.
East west link is essential.
delusional inner city lefties that voted green/ labor will just have to breath the lovely air from the stop start cars and grid Iock of the eastern freeway and alexander avenue...
EW will go ahead but with a few tweaks......
East west link is essential.
delusional inner city lefties that voted green/ labor will just have to breath the lovely air from the stop start cars and grid Iock of the eastern freeway and alexander avenue...
EW will go ahead but with a few tweaks......
Agree. Andrews is all huff and puff. The unions will want it to go ahead to create jobs, so it will.
Those freeways need to be built. It's just like the farcical situation we had with the original SE arterial.
For people in the south and east - linking up east link to the ring-road
makes _way_ more sense than turning the eastern
into another tolled car park as commuters pay to wait in a tunnel at a slow moving off-ramp.
You can imagine how the regional towns were so happy about loosing tafes, hospitals and driving on crumbling roads so the money can be spent on an eastern suburbs indulgence which does not stack up.
It won't move trucks off the road because it doesn't go through to the west.
I won't help commuters because it dumps commuters at the same clogged exits.
eastern will connect with city link..to suggest its a tolled cark par is misleading..
mate .. blame the unions for trucks in the west...they wanted an expanded docks and bay dredging for more trucks..
btw - the cfmeu will put the heat on andrews to approve the east west link, because the cfemu interests demand work for its members..
For people in the south and east - linking up east link to the ring-road
makes _way_ more sense than turning the eastern
into another tolled car park as commuters pay to wait in a tunnel at a slow moving off-ramp.
You can imagine how the regional towns were so happy about loosing tafes, hospitals and driving on crumbling roads so the money can be spent on an eastern suburbs indulgence which does not stack up.
It won't move trucks off the road because it doesn't go through to the west.
I won't help commuters because it dumps commuters at the same clogged exits.
eastern will connect with city link..to suggest its a tolled cark par is misleading..
mate .. blame the unions for trucks in the west...they wanted an expanded docks and bay dredging for more trucks..
btw - the cfmeu will put the heat on andrews to approve the east west link, because the cfemu interests demand work for its members..
The CFMEU wouldnt know a good thing if it was staring them in the face. They are by "so far" the dumbest, backward thinking organisation I've ever come across. They have completely lost their members. The construction industry is full of subcontractors getting paid a pittance of what they once were. So long as the CFMEU get their union dues, that's all they care about. Carpenters/ plasterers are hit the hardest.
The plumbers and sparkies are still going strong. They have the adv. of being a licensed trade so they arnt so easy to replace with blow ins!!
FWIW, I've been in the construction industry for nearly20 years and I've never seen a bikie once. The officials can be boistrous and colorful with their language sure, but being run by bikies and so on seems a bit of a stretch in my view.
Not having a political bone in my body or much financial nous either ........can someone please answer me this......
If the Gov'n were to take out a $1B loan to build the east/west link and toll it, would the fact that the tolls are going back into our coffers rather than o/s investment change peoples views on the project?? I'm of the understanding that citilink was paid off in under 4 years yet the consortium who paid for its construction has the rights to toll it for 30 odd years!!!!!
Kennet made the state squillions during his time in office but he sold the gas and fuel , board of works and our electricity board. Wouldnt tolling road projects where the money eventually come back to the state be one way of ensuring a steady revenue for our states future??
Wow, who new I could be so heavy !!
The Libs lost this one, no one to blame but their own out of touch selves.....
They're all as baD AS EACH OTHER, GREENS INCLUDED.....
Both major parties ran dreadful campaigns based on scare mongering and precious little in the way of policies that will help the common man. If Napthine's recorded message rang you people at dinner time like he did me... heck that shat me off.
I live on the boundary between two safe seats, nobody wants to spend 2 cents in my immediate area. I could vote for the drover's dog and it would be just as much use. Rocked up to vote and found that I had ceased to be on the electoral roll... call me cynical but aren't computers wonderful.
Traffic in Melbourne is a disaster. My area is cut by three major roads carrying 100's of 1000's of cars each day transiting through to elsewhere. As long as that traffic moves through each morning and night nobody give a &^_^^ about the poor old locals. Now we have rat runners coming through trying to beat traffic lights and tolls... can't see how traffic can get any worse but with the population increases it simply must. All these new outlying suburbs results in the same few roads carrying more vehicles per unit time. Ain't progress wonderful.
Try driving anywhere through Melb at lunch on Xmas day and its a sublime experience, other than that I never want to go there at all.
Try driving anywhere through Melb at lunch on Xmas day and its a sublime experience, other than that I never want to go there at all.
Not down on the Peninsula BB, down there it's a nightmare, anyone who has tried to head south on the Frankston Freeway on Christmas Day can testify!
I feel sorry for Napthine because he wasn't too bad at a state level, but Federally the Mad Monk, Barnarnaby, The Count, Cruella de Vil and others are pure poison!
The great hope Turnbull has turned into a soft-cock, or as some say Allbull, nobody knows what the Mad Monk has on him but Allbull is the next lettuce leaf in waiting. His demise killed off all hope for moderate voters, and that is the bulk of voters!
It's no good claiming it's State versus Federal, to Joe average they are Coalition and all the same, only excuse makers trot out that State / Federal line! Duck and Cover Tony! The Coalition love making this State vs Federal distinction but during elections they paint State and Federal Labor as one! That just makes them hypocrites!
The Feds shot themselves in the foot with, the ABC(Free Speech), Carbon Trading(Environment), R&D(Industry), NBN(Youth Votes) and the Deficit(Economists). Did they miss anybody in trying to piss off everybody? They haven't delivered on a single target and broke just about every promise along the way! Not that the others are any better, but at least the others are not so brutal about it! :o
Re the potential voiding of the east/west link by labor.
I heard that there was some rediculous multi-million dollar payout required IF the project was cancelled. I've heard anywhere up to half a BILLION dollars.....for doing nothing. Simply cancelling the construction.
So that will ease the pressure from the CFMEU on Andrews....they'll get their money either way.
Re the potential voiding of the east/west link by labor.
I heard that there was some rediculous multi-million dollar payout required IF the project was cancelled. I've heard anywhere up to half a BILLION dollars.....for doing nothing. Simply cancelling the construction.
So that will ease the pressure from the CFMEU on Andrews....they'll get their money either way.
I suspect they will cancel the tunnel and offer other priority projects to smooth the way, like rebuilding 50 level crossings.
Try driving anywhere through Melb at lunch on Xmas day and its a sublime experience, other than that I never want to go there at all.
Not down on the Peninsula BB, down there it's a nightmare, anyone who has tried to head south on the Frankston Freeway on Christmas Day can testify
I go the other way LP. ;)
When questioned about scrapping the EW today Andrews said this....
"It is my view, very clearly, that a Labor government has a mandate to release all documentation in relation to the East West Link, a secretive, rushed and botched project," Mr Andrews said.
He said he was yet to speak to Mr Abbott, but when he did he would fight for Victoria.
"I will of course work with him, in a respectful and productive way because I am all about outcomes," he told reporters on Sunday.
Hardly a strong stance IMO that he will tear up the contracts. More like " we'll have a look at the contracts, talk with the PM and see what we can do." I think like EB said, it will go ahead but with some tweaking in an attempt to save face.
Re the potential voiding of the east/west link by labor.
I heard that there was some rediculous multi-million dollar payout required IF the project was cancelled. I've heard anywhere up to half a BILLION dollars.....for doing nothing. Simply cancelling the construction.
So that will ease the pressure from the CFMEU on Andrews....they'll get their money either way.
The EW project will go ahead and Andrews CMFEU boys will rape and pillage it to within an inch of its life (just like the desal plant).
Federal funding (or the potential denial of it) will play a big part in Dan's EW decision. Be interesting to see what happens. ::)
What is the point of investing quadzillions of $$s into a road tunnel when one accident will turn it into gridlock?
The State Govt really needs to re-think our road infrastructure to make it easier to cope with peak hour accidents, bad weather, etc.
More and better public transport servicing the growth areas and regional Victoria wouldn't go astray either.
I think DA will suggest he is re-funding TAFE's, to retrain all those car workers that lost their jobs and then give them jobs on the EW, that will be the plan released to the media.......the excuse being he will have to go ahead with EW to fix unemployment etc...happy workers, happy unions...job done.
Abbott wont have a choice but to keep his end of the bargain....his backbenchers will be real uneasy about Victoria after this Labour win and will want Abbott shoring up
some of those seats. Abbott could even claim all the kudos if he markets the Federal input correctly....
Just a point on the Federal funding for the tunnel. It was originally allocated to Victoria to upgrade the rail network. Abbott stopped the rail funding, then gave it back for the tunnel.
Andrews reckons he is going to ask Abbott to restore the funding for the rail network. Abbott has made it clear that he doesn't consider rail funding to be important ::)
What is the point of investing quadzillions of $$s into a road tunnel when one accident will turn it into gridlock?
The State Govt really needs to re-think our road infrastructure to make it easier to cope with peak hour accidents, bad weather, etc.
More and better public transport servicing the growth areas and regional Victoria wouldn't go astray either.
With the increasing city population to ridiculous levels massive public transport and roads are both required including EW...
What is the point of investing quadzillions of $$s into a road tunnel when one accident will turn it into gridlock?
The State Govt really needs to re-think our road infrastructure to make it easier to cope with peak hour accidents, bad weather, etc.
More and better public transport servicing the growth areas and regional Victoria wouldn't go astray either.
With the increasing city population to ridiculous levels massive public transport and roads are both required including EW...
I agree that we need new transport infrastructure but it has to be able to cope with bad weather and accidents.
What is the point of investing quadzillions of $$s into a road tunnel when one accident will turn it into gridlock?
The State Govt really needs to re-think our road infrastructure to make it easier to cope with peak hour accidents, bad weather, etc.
More and better public transport servicing the growth areas and regional Victoria wouldn't go astray either.
With the increasing city population to ridiculous levels massive public transport and roads are both required including EW...
I agree that we need new transport infrastructure but it has to be able to cope with bad weather and accidents.
You can't just build it all in one day. Trains are more susceptible to bad weather and breakdown anyway. Two weeks ago a train coming to a halt stopped everything for over an hour on my line and God help you if there's a storm or it's a hot day.
Should be mandatory for people to have an IQ test before being eligible to vote - if so, there'd be no Labor Party in existence. Thank fugg for the eastern suburbs.......
Yep, the Liberal Party is the High IQ party. Its contribution to the debate on climate change has been impressive. You also have to admire the fantastic linguistic ability applied to the task of proving that a lie isn't a lie, although only the top 1 percentile of the population can see the beauty of those arguments or the many other rhetorical flourishes.
I love political threads. :D
I've always found a good guide for voter intelligence is someone who doesn't believe that either party has a "divine right to rule" and "the answer to all life's problems."
Someone who doesn't just look at "their"' perceptions of personalities and personal traits of leaders and key figures of a party in judging an ability to do a job.
Someone who understands that the key motivation for any of them is 'power' because without power you cant do anything but block and delay.
Someone who realises that most new governments will do most of their 'dirty' work in the first half of a term before softening an approach as the next election draws closer....so it's stupid to rate their chances half way through a term.
Someone who doesn't just look at a state result and transfer it nationally without giving thought to the different issues involved at each level.
Someone who understands that the best politicians, "right" and "left", are the ones who steer closest to the middle ground.
...and the most intelligent voters do the same. ;)
I hate the fact that we have to vote for one party and then cop the fact that we might have to accept broken promises.
I also hate the fact that a vote for Labor would mean that we have to accept them tearing up EW link.
The Liberals lost this vote in one place. The perceived effect of closing higher educational institutions that were required for the lower socio economic groups of society. Higher education which Im confident not many Liberal voters would have agreed with.
At the end of the day, we are probably better off having cyclical turns at government anyway. It keeps things balanced. Too much of one thing is never a good thing. The Liberals ruled the roost in Victoria for a fair whack of time back in the 90's and we have only had few terms of Labor since, so I think the party that we need in now won.
I hate the fact that we have to vote for one party and then cop the fact that we might have to accept broken promises.
I also hate the fact that a vote for Labor would mean that we have to accept them tearing up EW link.
The Liberals lost this vote in one place. The perceived effect of closing higher educational institutions that were required for the lower socio economic groups of society. Higher education which Im confident not many Liberal voters would have agreed with.
At the end of the day, we are probably better off having cyclical turns at government anyway. It keeps things balanced. Too much of one thing is never a good thing. The Liberals ruled the roost in Victoria for a fair whack of time back in the 90's and we have only had few terms of Labor since, so I think the party that we need in now won.
Think you are forgetting the Ambo's, Firefighters and Nurses who Napthine treated with contempt.......patient ratio's are a disgrace and the Liberals did SFA on the matter.
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@EB1
Perhaps, but often these things are a political argument and less of an issue than they are made out to be.
I have seen hospitals close beds and wards based on agenda not about saving costs. They could cut costs in other places first, it just becomes less of a political argument that way.
Working in public sector health, I think the focus needs to be shifted to doing better with what they have, rather than giving them more. I have seen too much money wasted on initiatives that are reactive in order to be seen to doing something rather than focussing on actually achieving something.
Its true that the Liberals effectively treated the people with contempt. A government that believes that the people should swallow what they want is doomed to be voted out. Hence why Abbot is dead man walking.
Andrew Robb suggested on the Insiders on Sunday that the libs knew they were going to be defeated for quite a while, why the hell did they sign the EW contracts when labor told them to hold off until after the election, absolute bloody disgrace and unbelievably deceitful, treating the public like lower class imbeciles, Napthine and his plebs are a disgrace
@EB1
Perhaps, but often these things are a political argument and less of an issue than they are made out to be.
I have seen hospitals close beds and wards based on agenda not about saving costs. They could cut costs in other places first, it just becomes less of a political argument that way.
Working in public sector health, I think the focus needs to be shifted to doing better with what they have, rather than giving them more. I have seen too much money wasted on initiatives that are reactive in order to be seen to doing something rather than focussing on actually achieving something.
Its true that the Liberals effectively treated the people with contempt. A government that believes that the people should swallow what they want is doomed to be voted out. Hence why Abbot is dead man walking.
My daughter is a nurse at one of the major hospitals and people lives are at risk due to the poor patient ratio's and lack of funding........Nurses are cracking up on the job, doing drugs etc due to the poor conditions and being abused by management. You have imported nurses from overseas who are cheap/useless and prepared to cop these poor standards while the local properly qualified nurses have to run around and make the system work.....until they either quit or breakdown...Hospitals just cover up the mistakes and patients are suffering and even passing away due to lack of attention being paid to the health system.
Agree that Abbott is gone but i would expect after Labour's win in Victoria he will start spending and trying to buy some votes....
Andrew Robb suggested on the Insiders on Sunday that the libs knew they were going to be defeated for quite a while, why the hell did they sign the EW contracts when labor told them to hold off until after the election, absolute bloody disgrace and unbelievably deceitful, treating the public like lower class imbeciles, Napthine and his plebs are a disgrace
Easy answer mate. They sign off on the contracts, knowing it hamstrings labor into delivering a plan that they can claim they started. Makes for good press at the next election. It's bloody grubby, but both sides are guilt of it.
@EB1
Perhaps, but often these things are a political argument and less of an issue than they are made out to be.
I have seen hospitals close beds and wards based on agenda not about saving costs. They could cut costs in other places first, it just becomes less of a political argument that way.
Working in public sector health, I think the focus needs to be shifted to doing better with what they have, rather than giving them more. I have seen too much money wasted on initiatives that are reactive in order to be seen to doing something rather than focussing on actually achieving something.
Its true that the Liberals effectively treated the people with contempt. A government that believes that the people should swallow what they want is doomed to be voted out. Hence why Abbot is dead man walking.
My daughter is a nurse at one of the major hospitals and people lives are at risk due to the poor patient ratio's and lack of funding........Nurses are cracking up on the job, doing drugs etc due to the poor conditions
and being abused by management. You have imported nurses from overseas who are cheap/useless and prepared to cop these poor standards while the local properly qualified nurses have to run around and make
the system work.....until they either quit or breakdown...Hospitals just cover up the mistakes and patients are suffering and even passing away due to lack of attention being paid to the health system.
Agree that Abbott is gone but i would expect after Labour's win in Victoria he will start spending and trying to buy some votes....
News this morning from Access Economics seems to suggest that the Gov are well, well into the red and that EB means Abbott is cooked. Spend and hire the best spin doctor for the election or hold the line, which means he will loose. My guess is that he will start the big spend soon. Lie with the mining tycoons and you are beholden to Resource prices. Guess what, they are dropping fast and hard. So many opportunities and missed promises. Nver mind the disgrace of not giving the armed forces a CPI indexed pay rise..ironically close to celebrating the end of the War....Abbott is sweating bullets now. Question now is what will Shorten do. I'm not convinced by him. Perhaps he is playing the long game..on the high road and letting Tony dig his own grave.
I have no particular political allegiances, a true swinging voter, and I think this gov. has badly screwed up. However, the thought of Shorten and his mates taking over truly scares me. I think he is toxic and stands for nothing but his own ambition.
I'm looking forward to seeing how much progress gets done on the 20 rail crossings being put underground by Daniel 'call-me-Dan-'cos-it-sounds-way-cool' Andrews.......phhhhht.
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Ill just settle for the government in power not taking the kudo's for the previous governments work. Eastern and Western health both just got new hospitals on the back of funding allocated pre Liberal power, but the Libs were there cutting the ribbon at the opening (mind you a full 2 weeks prior to the official opening of the place due to time frames on the election) and it caused a whole bunch of grief regarding getting the new place setup including forcing us to use overtime to make up for the lost day cutting a bloody ribbon.
Yep, the Liberal Party is the High IQ party. Its contribution to the debate on climate change has been impressive. You also have to admire the fantastic linguistic ability applied to the task of proving that a lie isn't a lie, although only the top 1 percentile of the population can see the beauty of those arguments or the many other rhetorical flourishes.
Nice response... :)
Yep, the Liberal Party is the High IQ party. Its contribution to the debate on climate change has been impressive. You also have to admire the fantastic linguistic ability applied to the task of proving that a lie isn't a lie, although only the top 1 percentile of the population can see the beauty of those arguments or the many other rhetorical flourishes.
Nice response... :)
There was a good episode of the simpsons around 15 years ago where the townsfolk with the highest IQ ran the town.
nothing got done
Was a good social commentary episode.
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I have no particular political allegiances, a true swinging voter, and I think this gov. has badly screwed up. However, the thought of Shorten and his mates taking over truly scares me. I think he is toxic and stands for nothing but his own ambition.
I wish this was not an accurate statement, but it looks that way to me.
I have no particular political allegiances, a true swinging voter, and I think this gov. has badly screwed up. However, the thought of Shorten and his mates taking over truly scares me. I think he is toxic and stands for nothing but his own ambition.
I'm a Labour man but Shorten isnt the best leader of the ALP at the Federal level we have seen and I also have concerns...
I have no particular political allegiances, a true swinging voter, and I think this gov. has badly screwed up. However, the thought of Shorten and his mates taking over truly scares me. I think he is toxic and stands for nothing but his own ambition.
I'm a Labour man ...
We all cant be perfect eb ;)
I have no particular political allegiances, a true swinging voter, and I think this gov. has badly screwed up. However, the thought of Shorten and his mates taking over truly scares me. I think he is toxic and stands for nothing but his own ambition.
I'm a Labour man ...
We all cant be perfect eb ;)
I gathered you were of the Liberal persuasion Mossie but I wont hold that against you.... ;)
I'm a Labour man but Shorten isnt the best leader of the ALP at the Federal level we have seen and I also have concerns...
I've always voted Labor as well EB, but the real problem in all levels of politics I believe stems from the power of modern media. Rupert Murdoch got Abbott elected. Shorten is just playing politics because he has to compete against a media that is biased against the ALP. Abbott is rushing anti-piracy laws through parliament so as to block Aussies from illegally downloading shows such as "Game of thrones" which is shown on the HBO. A network that Murdoch recently tried to purchase and failed.
Gillard was a strong leader who was unfortunately undermined by her own party and Rudd. History will serve her well.
Mossies would surely vote green, bans to all insecticides being their motive! ;)
Mossies would surely vote green, bans to all insecticides being their motive! ;)
;D