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Quote from: Juddkreuzer on February 12, 2015, 11:44:26 pm

While it now appears likely that the Indonesian government will execute these two men, I want to publicly declare that in protest I shall never again travel to Indonesia nor shall I donate money to any future natural disaster that may effect that country. I strongly encourage like minded people to do the same.

Fair call. X 2

Sorry, but the only way forward in these matters is to continue to engage and debate, if you disengage you basically create and opportunity that enables radical groups to take hold!

For example ISIS would not exist if the rest of the world had stayed policing trouble zones, but all the do good self-righteous types complained about the loss of life or the economic cost of war, and the retreat was called. I hope they are thinking about the loss of life and the cost of dealing with ISIS now?

Indonesia will come around as long as we all keep talking to them about it, we don't have to punish Indonesia's version of Joe Average in the interim!

@EB1

You are right about Indonesia being our primary military threat. I went to a lecture a few years ago on the defence of this country given by a senior retired military man. Guess who he indicated as our biggest military threat, and by some margin! Indonesia has a huge and well equipped military force that it is not afraid to use under the right circumstances.

They have a big military force but it is underfunded.

Chan & Sukamaran have been moved to the execution island now, this sorry saga will end in the next day or so.

Probably not completely....a lot of folk are holding back a bit at the moment in comments and actions.
They're still playing the diplomacy game.
If this thing goes ahead there are likely to be some repercussions, not only here but in Indonesia, that will put a bit of a strain on relations.

While I do not agree with executions, I think there will be far bigger local repercussions if EFC don't get whacked!

Quote from: LP on March 04, 2015, 04:54:47 pm

While I do not agree with executions, I think there will be far bigger local repercussions if EFC don't get whacked!

This example makes me laugh at all the hypocrisy on here.

There have been many posts supporting the "do the crime do the time" line on here with Essendon and I agree totally with that, I feel some sympathy for the players, who have been drilled since coming into the AFL system not to question their club, coach and other players. They were duped, but every professional athlete knows that they are responsible for what goes into their bodies.

These drug smuggling scum, that everybody is crying out about, knew what they were doing was illegal, they surely were aware that drug smuggling into Indonesia carried the death penalty, yet Australia should pull out all stops to stop them from being killed?

I HATE DRUGS, they are the scourge of society. ICE is responsible for some of the most heinous crimes out there. I was speaking to an ex forensic cleaner (the guys that clean up blood and guts after murders) and we were talking along these lines. He told me of why he quit, a "so called" father of a six year old boy was on ICE and wanted his stash that was locked in his house after his wife had locked him and his son out. He grabbed his son and threw him through the window, piercing his abdomen and spilling his intestines over the floor, cutting his neck and landed on the fire place cracking his head open. The once inside the picked up a fire poker and beat his wife to death, got his drugs and walked calmly to his friends place.

How anyone can think this poor excuse for a human being deserves to live?

These two were supplying drugs for thousands of people to potentially commit crimes as listed above.

I'm all for the death penalty for drug smugglers and suppliers, bring it in here, I know it will not effect me or my family, but crimes of the drugs probably will at some stage.

I just wonder how much money the Australian government has spent trying to convince Indonesia to change their laws because the two scumbag drug smugglers have changed their ways inside? I bet if they weren't caught they would still be supplying and destroying peoples and their families lives. 

Instead of the Government wasting money on people who made their illegal choice, spend that money on education and police to stop the drug cycle.

 

Someone wont be a popular boy on this site.