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Reply #15
How can the US be surprised by this horror? When your gun laws are what they are, this is inevitable. In many civilized nations the NRA would be considered a danger to society and shut down.

Gun laws being the way they are are not ideal, but that doesnt change the fact that this bloke is/was unhinged and took it out on innocent people.

Sure we ammended our gun laws after port arthur, but its not like that was  common occurrence like it is in the states.

People are the problem, irrespective of what means they use to harm people, and they have every right to be surprised that someone has acted in such fashion.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

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Reply #16
Gun laws being the way they are are not ideal, but that doesnt change the fact that this bloke is/was unhinged and took it out on innocent people.

Sure we ammended our gun laws after port arthur, but its not like that was  common occurrence like it is in the states.

People are the problem, irrespective of what means they use to harm people, and they have every right to be surprised that someone has acted in such fashion.

Correct people are the problem.

We all need fully automatic weapons to hunt, after all "It's wabbit season!"

Lunatics fully kitted out and tooled up with weapons of mass destruction from two bit arms dealers.
The Force Awakens!

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Reply #17
Gun laws being the way they are are not ideal, but that doesnt change the fact that this bloke is/was unhinged and took it out on innocent people.

Sure we ammended our gun laws after port arthur, but its not like that was  common occurrence like it is in the states.

People are the problem, irrespective of what means they use to harm people, and they have every right to be surprised that someone has acted in such fashion.

People armed with guns appear to be the problem to me.  :o
Reality always wins in the end.

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Reply #18
This wasn't just a "guy who snapped".  This was a guy who had 17 firearms with him, another 18 and explosives at home and ammonium nitrate (which can be used to make bombs) in his car.  He had to transport his stash to a hotel room and he must have done some prep work to pick his location.  And he had to amass all of this without raising alarm. 

It seems he was wealthy - he had a pilot's licence and owned 2 planes.  He was a retired accountant.

He had no apparent criminal or mental health history.

He must have had a serious beef with someone.  There were some suggestions he had a grievance over some poker game (he regularly played $100 hands of Poker in the casinos.  But surely something more substantial will emerge in the coming weeks.

Under Obama, the FBI took the view that domestic (non-Islamic) terrorism was its main concern, but Trump has no doubt tried to change the focus.  Terrorism is now only something Muslims do.  When right-wingers kill now, they are good people who snapped or who became mentally ill. 

That's not to say that this guy was a right-winger - his family claims he was basically apolitical.  And there was even a suggestion that IS claimed responsibility, saying he had been radicalised 2 months ago.  The mystery deepens.

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Reply #19
The "explosives at home" bit sounds bad, but isn't so bad when you look into it.  Apparently, Tannerite was discovered.  That's an explosive that is detonated by a high-powered projectile.  It's marketed as a firearms training accessory for long-range target practice - when the target is hit, the Tannerite explodes so that the shooter doesn't need to walk to the target to see if there was a hit.  I can imagine it would be something keen shooters would use and it wouldn't be surprising to find it alongside high-powered rifles.

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Reply #20
Gun laws being the way they are are not ideal, but that doesnt change the fact that this bloke is/was unhinged and took it out on innocent people.

Sure we ammended our gun laws after port arthur, but its not like that was  common occurrence like it is in the states.

People are the problem, irrespective of what means they use to harm people, and they have every right to be surprised that someone has acted in such fashion.

Absolutely. So why would you make it easy for them to procure deadly weapons?
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

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Reply #21
..........................And there was even a suggestion that IS claimed responsibility, saying he had been radicalised 2 months ago.  The mystery deepens.

Daesch made those claims using the bogus name published by 4Chan, they had no idea who was doing it!
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Reply #22
Pity that Trump didn't take the bait!  I can imagine a scene in which John Kelly was wrestling Trump on the carpet in the Oval Office in order to stop him tweeting about the shooting being proof that the Muslim bans were needed ...

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Reply #23
Pity that Trump didn't take the bait!  I can imagine a scene in which John Kelly was wrestling Trump on the carpet in the Oval Office in order to stop him tweeting about the shooting being proof that the Muslim bans were needed ...

I suspect he'll imply that connection somehow anyway!

The US President who signs the gun control warrant is basically sentencing himself, his family or his friends to death, there is no way Trump will sign it!

He'll send us to nuclear war against North Korea first!
The Force Awakens!

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Reply #24
Absolutely. So why would you make it easy for them to procure deadly weapons?

Im not saying they or we should, but once again, I think its a bit easy to point to the gun laws.

People like this will simply turn to other methods of causing destruction.

Considering what I have seen people be able to do with soda bombs, sparklers, batterys, and all manner of other "non deadly" weapons, I think simply stating they shouldnt be surprised by events like this with their gun laws is myopic thinking.

A better question to ask, firearms laws are pretty relaxed in many parts of the world, yet only in the USA to people seem to lack the common decency and respect to respond accordingly and we are comparing to some pretty barbaric places when we say stuff like this.

There is a cultural issue occurring where people are that dissatisfied with things that they are acting out in such fashion.

Perhaps its the fact that Trump got Elected.
Perhaps its the fact that cultural marxism is being pushed.
Perhaps its the fact that Richmond won the premiership.

Take the guns off people.  I agree its probably better that they do, but Im still surprised that this guy decided to act like a complete and utter arsehole.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

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Reply #25
Im not saying they or we should, but once again, I think its a bit easy to point to the gun laws.

People like this will simply turn to other methods of causing destruction.

It's prudent to make that as difficult as possible!
The Force Awakens!

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Reply #26
Apparently, it's completely legal to sling a machine gun over your shoulder and walk down the street in Las Vegas!  Fortunately, federal legislation makes it hard to get a machine gun legally, but if you get one you can carry it around in public places in Nevada.  Maybe it wouldn't be a good idea to do this if you're Black, but if you look like a Good 'Ol Boy you're good to go.

You can kill someone with a butter knife.  But I reckon you might be able to kill or maim more people if you have firearms. Just guessing, though ...

In the midst of this insanity, the NRA is pushing a Bill through Congress to overturn a ban on silencers.  WTF?

Apparently, the Bill also seeks to loosen regulations regarding the sale of armor-piercing ammunition.  This is understandable as deer may try to use armor to thwart hunters. 


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Reply #28
Was interesting to hear an interview on 3AW this morning with a witness regretting he didn't have his gun with him at the time of the shooting - "if everybody had a gun, this wouldn't have happened".

This is such a deep cultural issue to half the population.  Owning a gun to protect yourself is as natural as supporting a football team.

Like the health debate, with a population of this size, sadly it's like trying to turn the Queen Mary...
"...that's the thing about opinion - you don't have to know anything to have one..."  Andre Agassi commenting on Pat Cash 2004
"...the less you know - the more you believe..." - Bono 2006

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Reply #29
Yep, this was the worst scenario for the NRA - not only was the shooter a 64 year old white guy but also this was an occasion in which general availability of guns didn't help at all.  A guitarist who played at the concert noted that he and his crew were armed but returning fire would have worsened the situation by creating confusion.  He says he's now in favour of gun control and is ashamed he was previously against it.