I am very confident this version of the CFC is not dancing to the media tune. Taken literally, 'under pressure' does not equate to calling for a sacking. But some will interpret it that way and make a noise. They're the loud 'quick fix' brigade and deserve ignoring. Along with the boneheads who vandalized PP.
Bottom line is that Vossy and co. still have time to turn things around. We hope he does. But optimism is slim.
Vossy and the boos were booed off the ground last week. Quite possibly again last night. If that happens every week, you think the club will have balls enough to stick fat with him? I'm not so confident.
I'm far from confident. But am sticking phat for now.
While the board might rubber stamp it, any decision regarding the coach will probably be made at the Cook/Wright level. The way it sounds is that Wright is moving around the club talking to a lot of people including players. Cook has a reputation of not pulling the plug on coaches...but would be all over the goings on at the club
Both would be aware of any issues or rifts. I'm pretty confident that any decision they make will be what they regard as the best one for the club.
Exactamundo... we really are doing things differently. I'm confident in the thoroughness of Cook/Wright. Who knows, they may decide on strong list changes, a few coaching changes and keep the senior coach? Coach and players till have a tiny window of opportunity to turn the ship around - not written with a great deal of conviction. Well, we'll know in... corporate cliche imminent... 'due course.'
I can't resist... the club will 'take the helicopter view,' then 'drill down into issues,' remove what's on 'the back-burner' check out what's up the 'flag pole' and who's 'saluting', increase the 'bandwidth' of analysis and see where all that 'lands.'
I don't know why folks are still banging on about the 'Old Carlton' way of sacking coaches. The club hasn't sacked Vossy, and don't look like doing it any time soon. We have not seen a knee jerk reaction. So we can put away that gripe, it's the past.
Hold my beer! Baggers I have lost all confidence in the entire club. Whilst nothing has happened, I cant help but feel the writing is on the wall. The entire club is FOS and I trust a word anyone says anymore. They need to regain my trust (especially the players) as it has completely broken and it will take a very long time to win it back. So I am gonna be very cynical, angry and negative for a very long time so ban mods ban me now if it's not gonna be to your liking. I have had a gutful.
Same here. Like you, GTC old son, what I see on the paddock is very ordinary, especially placed up against all the promises and hype during the pre season. Then seeing Vossy minimizing our issues at 4 zip early in the season (we supporters could see the writing on the way) with 'still plenty of runway in front of us' is galling. Denial. Ignore the problems... see where it gets you when you're stuck in toxic positivity (yes, it's a real term!).
But... where there's life, there's hope. And being the ever (delusional???) hopeful lover of the club, I hang my hopes on the club realising that they've got important things wrong and face it head on ...and things will change.
I think I should share that beer with you. If it's your shout, I'm a bit of a traditionalist... make mine a Crowny or VB.
I don't know why folks are still banging on about the 'Old Carlton' way of sacking coaches. The club hasn't sacked Vossy, and don't look like doing it any time soon. We have not seen a knee jerk reaction. So we can put away that gripe, it's the past.
You've been around long enough to know that THIS is how it starts. Plenty of supporters (some on here) are calling for exactly that.
On fox footy before the game, they were talking about the pressure Vossy is under and how the club reacts to that - ie sack the coach. The media are running with it. Supporters are calling for it. Just need the swell to build a bit more and bang, same old same old.
I am very confident this version of the CFC is not dancing to the media tune. Taken literally, 'under pressure' does not equate to calling for a sacking. But some will interpret it that way and make a noise. They're the loud 'quick fix' brigade and deserve ignoring. Along with the boneheads who vandalized PP.
Bottom line is that Vossy and co. still have time to turn things around. We hope he does. But optimism is slim.
I posted it a week or 2 ago, but it warrants repeating.
Cripps is having an absolutely terrible year. He (or the club) is too stubborn to put him on the sidelines to recover. Possession wise, its his worst year apart from the shortened covid/quarantine year, and his debut year when he played 3 games.
Last night was a perfect example of our issues. He was too sick that he had to be quarantined from the playing list....but was good enough to play the most physically demanding game in the world. Yeah, nah.
.....and you could make a case for about 5 others, all top end talent, that fall into that category.
Now, i understand the want to play these guys. However, you simply need to look at the result in the last 2 weeks to realise that there is no benefit to doing so. Only downsides.
Rest Cripps, rest Charlie, rest Weiters, rest Saad, rest Acres...... What is going to happen? We end up losing by 50 points? Well that is happening anyway. At least we have a reason - we played a bunch of kids. Last night, we played our oldest side for 81 years! Let that sink in. No Carlton team that has run out in the last 81 years and been as old as that mob last night.
What did we get from it? A bunch of old, unfit, sick, injured blokes putting in half-ar$ed efforts. Play the kids. I don't expect them to do much better, but at least there is a double benefit to doing so. You rest the blokes who need to recover and you give some kids a shot at the big time who may actually suprise.
For this week... Lemmey - Curnow HOF - Weiters Lucas - Acres Ben - Cripps Carroll - Saad
It did bear repeating, K, and is absolutely correct. And how does it effect morale when blokes who are not up to it take the field, and fail?
I don't know why folks are still banging on about the 'Old Carlton' way of sacking coaches. The club hasn't sacked Vossy, and don't look like doing it any time soon. We have not seen a knee jerk reaction. So we can put away that gripe, it's the past.
Wouldn't it be ironic if the very time we need to seek another senior coach we don't do so because of how it would look or because we've done it before! Isn't the process of assessing the performance of a senior coach valid? What we've NOT done in the past is properly assess potential and best replacements (if needed)?
Bottom line: 11th and falling. Go to water once the opposition challenge/change. Above the shoulders. Midfield / forward line connection has been an issue for years. Sub par on-field leadership. How often are the leaders the first to fold when the going gets tough? Continue to gift games to blokes not performing or not up to it, regardless of reputation. Playing sentimental faves?
The list is over hyped, it's slow, full of poor kicking players and reliant on too few having to play blinders every game for us to win. A disinterested TDK and a sick Cripps meant we were doomed last night...the gap between our best players and the rest is like the Grand Canyon. Players like Cerra who are meant to be bridging that gap don't....
Yes agree EB.
And mentally they are not up to it. The minute pressure comes on any level they melt.
Its the same reason we manage to score when the game is done.
Vossy says all the right things, so how come it doesn't translate to results?
The experts seem to agree that our game-plan is restrictive and lacks embracing the modern game. Sure, cherry picking certain KPIs can make it seem all is well at PP; that we're on the right track, 'we just need to do it for longer' as Vossy says - so how come for a very long time do we not do it for longer? Once the opposition bring pressure and change, we fold. Above the shoulders? Yep. Not mentally strong. How come?
Our players present as being vulnerable to high expectation (pressure) and strong persistence come game day - a mentally conditional group. How come? These are not recent issues. This has been an on-going issue for some years now. How come? I do not believe this is indicative of the players as people.
Some ponderances for consideration:
The Board. I'd like Patty Kinnersly to understand that our players are not solely billboards for social issues or her social causes, as important and worthy as they may be. She needs to understand 'warrior energy/positive masculinity' and get in behind those realities and support them, wholeheartedly. The club psychologist also needs to understand this. Greg Williams. He's failed the football department and the senior coach. The buck stops with him and he should be accountable.
Football Department. Brad Lloyd, this has happened, and been happening on his watch for some time. He's failed.
Vossy. Gee I feel for him. So many mixed messages, especially from above. His players need to become warriors (a vital expression of positive masculinity) when on the field of play. Understanding and embracing this (warrior energy) will strengthen their spirit and mental resolve. Some are warriors naturally, many aren't. Those that aren't need to be taught; to be led. There's way too much 'nice' on our field of play.
Saad goes down and only Boyd, Cincotta, Weiters and Young go in to remonstrate with any vigour... one snap-shop sums up so much, Cincotta taking on about eight blokes, on his own. Good on ya Cinc, good on ya Boydy for getting into a bloke twice your size... good on you Youngy for sticking up for your team mate. Most of our other players were just trying to break things up, how nice.
Yeah my tip is young to be the sub on last weeks form (flynn). Motlop starts, and HOF comes in if weiters doesn't get up. Corey durdin would have to come in of cripps doesn't get up....
If Crippa doesn't come up I'd like to see Cooper Lord given the gig. HOF insurance for Weiters?
We play Port Melbourne on Saturday night at their crappy ground, under the lights. We're on TV and might have Pitto available. I hope we have Will Hayes available, as he provides so much experience and drive. I think Flynn Riley will play: no Young for a 2nd ruck. Lemmey will be the key forward, so I hope he does more than last week.
I hope Riley plays. Was quite impressed with him earlier in the year but he's been kept out by Pitto and HOK
