No doubt Crippa and Fish will come in. who else?
Fasolo? Special K???
If not Special K, surely Levi out and Lobbe or Phillips in?
Garlett given a second chance?
Kick off 6.40pm.
No doubt Crippa and Fish will come in. who else?
Fasolo? Special K???
If not Special K, surely Levi out and Lobbe or Phillips in?
Garlett given a second chance?
Not sure if it true, I've heard that Phillips had a bit of a setback with his recovery, and SpecialK isn't progressing as well as hoped but even so given his history the club is going to keep him restrained to prevent self-harm! Not sure what is going on with Lobbe, we might be playing conservative with his 30 year old body as well, he is also a crazy trainer.
I think Garlett is exactly what we need if he is in form, now that Pickett is injured I think we should persist. We need some medium sized players with X-Factor that can leverage opportunities created when opposition focus on guys like Fisher, Dow or Walsh.
I'd keep Fasolo under wraps for the short term, even if he seems right to go! The club needs to find a game that lets him step in and have instant success, it'll boost his confidence and he'll be on a roll. I think I'd play him against the Dogs Rnd 5, with injuries they look to have no suitable match up at the moment.
I like clubs to use older guys wisely, you don't swap a kid with a kid, you swap a kid for an older wiser type. Let the kids run wild for a few games, and when they get tired and the players around them get frustrated give an old head a run instead, it gives the kids a taste and then having the old head in the team you get a ready-made who actually does his job and it gives the players that were around the kid a break from being nursemaids and nannies. This way you can get the best out of all players.
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2019-02-26/injury-update-blues-on-the-mend
Murphy could be joined out on the playing field soon by his long-time teammate Matthew Kreuzer, who has made significant strides in his comeback from a knee injury.
After undergoing surgery back in January, Russell said the ruckman was on schedule to return prior to the season opener.
“‘Kreuz’ is training really well. He did the full skills session [on Monday],” he said.
“He’s just getting a few weeks of good training in and we expect him to be available certainly by Round 1. He’s looking good to play before then.”
Another player in a similar boat to Kreuzer is new recruit Alex Fasolo.
Russell forecasted that the goal-sneak could also get some minutes in before the home-and-away season, largely thanks to the commitment to his rehabilitation.
“Alex Fasolo’s arm is settling down really well. He has been doing skills training for the last week, no contact, and did a full skills session yesterday,” he said.
“‘Kreuz’ is training really well. He did the full skills session [on Monday],” he said.
What do you think that means, "Full Skills Session" relative to something like "Full Training" or similar?
What do you think that means, "Full Skills Session" relative to something like "Full Training" or similar?
No contact....certainly no tackling.
I wouldn’t rush Matthew Kreuzer, he’s an important piece of the puzzle, should be played only if ready.
Lobbe or Phillips are fine Ruck men and Andrew can take a nice mark and good kick too.
I wouldn’t rush Matthew Kreuzer, he’s an important piece of the puzzle, should be played only if ready.
Lobbe or Phillips are fine Ruck men and Andrew can take a nice mark and good kick too.
Agree....be interested to see if Essendon take it seriously or send out some half ar$ed team of kids/newbies, I wouldnt be playing Krezuer till the following game and then
only for half a game....
Agree....be interested to see if Essendon take it seriously or send out some half ar$ed team of kids/newbies, I wouldnt be playing Krezuer till the following game and then
only for half a game....
If he's ready, he's ready.....
If he's ready, he's ready.....
I think that's right FB. Kreuzer seems to be able to produce near to his best with minimal training or preparation and Kreuzer at half rat power is better than the alternatives.
I think it's self evident from Russell's spiel that the K man won't play this week...
If he's ready, he's ready.....
x2. Eyes on the prize, we need him fit and with a few games under his belt rnd 1.
x2. Eyes on the prize, we need him fit and with a few games under his belt rnd 1.
Spot on. i reckon he'll play JLT2 - maybe a half or 3 quarters, then in a scratchy before Rd 1....noting JLT 2 for us not till March 11.
Not sure where he is at injury wise, but Fasolo usually goes well against CheatsFC, by goal average and games they are his preferred opponent!
I assume the teams will be named tonight?
Looking fwd to this game. Nothing riding on it, but I'd like to get a proper look at Samo & Walsh, the highlights from the praccy game were a bit crappy quality, and they were our best 2 apparently, and 2 blokes who's improvement will help us heaps.
Also keen to get a look at Weiters, Setters, the Gov, and all the rest.
I assume the teams will be named tonight?
Looking fwd to this game. Nothing riding on it, but I'd like to get a proper look at Samo & Walsh, the highlights from the praccy game were a bit crappy quality, and they were our best 2 apparently, and 2 blokes who's improvement will help us heaps.
Also keen to get a look at Weiters, Setters, the Gov, and all the rest.
Apart from about 5k memberships.
I think we just cannot dismiss this game. We are all hanging out for a good serving of positivity and a good win would be a great boost for our spirits not to mention, as Jezza points out, our membership drive. Go Blues - make Thurs night a happy one. :)
CARLTON
B: K.Simpson 6, L.Plowman 20, P.Dow 2
HB: N.Newman 24, C.Polson 29, L.Jones 14
C: S.Petrevski-Seton 5, P.Cripps 9, Z.Fisher 25
HF: C.Curnow 30, M.Lobbe 27, A.Schumacher 19
F: W.Setterfield 43, M.McGovern 11, H.McKay 10
Foll: A.Phillips 34, M.Gibbons 40, E.Curnow 35
I/C: M.Murphy 3, J.Weitering 23, J.Garlett 21, S.Walsh 18, J.Silvagni 1, D.Cuningham 28, D.Thomas 39, L.O'Brien 4
Emerg: T.De Koning 12, L.Casboult 41, H.Goddard 45, M.Kennedy 7
Notable absentees: Sam Docherty, Alex Fasolo, Matthew Kreuzer, Caleb Marchbank, Darcy Lang, Jarrod Pickett, Tom Williamson, Liam Stocker
ESSENDON
B: P.Ambrose 29, M.Hartley 36, J.Long 34
HB: A.Francis 10, M.Hurley 18, A.Saad 42
C: D.Heppell 21, K.Langford 4, Z.Merrett 7
HF: D.Shiel 9, M.Brown 28, D.Zaharakis 11
F: J.Stringer 25, J.Daniher 6, A.McDonald-Tipungwuti 43
Foll: Z.Clarke 20, A.McGrath 1, D.Parish 3
I/C: C.McKenna 45, T.Jok 46, S.McKernan 44, J.Ridley 14, M.Guelfi 35, J.Laverde 15, D.Smith 5, M.Baguley 12
Emerg: J.Stewart 17, S.Draper 38, T.Mynott 39, D.Clarke 37
Notable absentees: Martin Gleeson, Cale Hooker, Tom Bellchambers, Orazio Fantasia, David Myers, Matt Dea
Why do they name sides with players so obviously out of position?
It’s interesting that both Lobbe and Phillips are playing. If one rests forward, we’ll have an enormous forward line ???? I guess we’re trialling a two ruckmen structure ????
I think we just cannot dismiss this game. We are all hanging out for a good serving of positivity and a good win would be a great boost for our spirits not to mention, as Jezza points out, our membership drive. Go Blues - make Thurs night a happy one. :)
Agreed. We need to take every opportunity to build a properly functioning team.
Agreed. We need to take every opportunity to build a properly functioning team.
Agree Spot On.
Why do they name sides with players so obviously out of position?
It’s interesting that both Lobbe and Phillips are playing. If one rests forward, we’ll have an enormous forward line ???? I guess we’re trialling a two ruckmen structure ????
Two ruckmen teams are back in vogue given the new rules and structures (666).
I'm heading down for this game, I might even get there early enough to catch some of the early game too.
Im looking for improvement from Sammo, Fish, Cuningham, and less so Dow. O'Brian and Garlett.
I will also be very interested in what the new guys bring in Setters, McGovern, Gibbons, Newman and of course Walsh!
And being the Bombers, lets pray we come away with a win !!
Go Blues !!
Two ruckmen teams are back in vogue given the new rules and structures (666).
Yes, I’m just not sure where we’ll hide/rest the one who is not on the ball :-\
I guess they will spend time on the bench as well as giving Harry an occasional spell. I wonder if we’ll see the “resting ruckmen” playing on each other as in the olden days.
Yes, I’m just not sure where we’ll hide/rest the one who is not on the ball :-\
I guess they will spend time on the bench as well as giving Harry an occasional spell. I wonder if we’ll see the “resting ruckmen” playing on each other as in the olden days.
They've named every guy who can ruck bar Kreuzer....
I'd ditch TDK and Levi - give Lobbe and Phillips a run....
Yes, I’m just not sure where we’ll hide/rest the one who is not on the ball :-\
I guess they will spend time on the bench as well as giving Harry an occasional spell. I wonder if we’ll see the “resting ruckmen” playing on each other as in the olden days.
I reckon you must be right. If you only rotate ruckmen between each other and Harry and Charlie and Gov, then at any one time there will always be one of those 5 players on the bench, and when the 2nd ruckman is on the ground, he'll be replacing one of the tall forwards. If you did that the structure would always remain the same. The only problem I see with that is we want those 3 tall forwards playing together as a unit as often as possible, so you'd think the ruckman would take longer spells on the bench, otherwise there really isn't anywhere else to hide them.
Yes, I’m just not sure where we’ll hide/rest the one who is not on the ball :-\
I guess they will spend time on the bench as well as giving Harry an occasional spell. I wonder if we’ll see the “resting ruckmen” playing on each other as in the olden days.
Ok though for a practice match to give everyone a run as the result doesn't matter. Still useless though picking two if the 2nd one can't do much else. With Curnow, McKay and McGovern we have no room for two rucks. With limited interchange you can't run them off the bench that much. Need the interchange numbers for the mids.
They've named every guy who can ruck bar Kreuzer....
I'd ditch TDK and Levi - give Lobbe and Phillips a run....
That's how the team is named; Lobbe and Phillips in the side and Levi and the King as emergencies :)
Ok though for a practice match to give everyone a run as the result doesn't matter. Still useless though picking two if the 2nd one can't do much else. With Curnow, McKay and McGovern we have no room for two rucks. With limited interchange you can't run them off the bench that much. Need the interchange numbers for the mids.
But every other team is going to play two ruckmen. The rule changes, and particularly the one about taking possession in a ruck contest not being prior opportunity, mean that teams simply can't afford not to have a genuine ruckman at every ruck contest. I wouldn't like to see Kreuzer trying to take on Gawn and Preuss with only Harry as back up. If Melbourne rest Gawn or Preuss in their forward line, why not get Lobbe to play as a defensive resting ruckman.
It will be very interesting to see how we fit two rucks into the 22 ... and we will have to find a way.
But every other team is going to play two ruckmen. The rule changes, and particularly the one about taking possession in a ruck contest not being prior opportunity, mean that teams simply can't afford not to have a genuine ruckman at every ruck contest. I wouldn't like to see Kreuzer trying to take on Gawn and Preuss with only Harry as back up. If Melbourne rest Gawn or Preuss in their forward line, why not get Lobbe to play as a defensive resting ruckman.
It will be very interesting to see how we fit two rucks into the 22 ... and we will have to find a way.
Looks like we retired Rowe a year too early IMHO.
Looks like we retired Rowe a year too early IMHO.
Could be right there Thry.
Could be right there Thry.
What;s Rowe got to do with anything?
But every other team is going to play two ruckmen. The rule changes, and particularly the one about taking possession in a ruck contest not being prior opportunity, mean that teams simply can't afford not to have a genuine ruckman at every ruck contest. I wouldn't like to see Kreuzer trying to take on Gawn and Preuss with only Harry as back up. If Melbourne rest Gawn or Preuss in their forward line, why not get Lobbe to play as a defensive resting ruckman.
It will be very interesting to see how we fit two rucks into the 22 ... and we will have to find a way.
Fortunately for us, if he stays on the park, Kreuz plays as a tall RR whereas Flip and Lobbe are more your traditional ruckman. Maybe today's hitout is to see who partners up with Kreuz (out of Flip and Lobbe).
Good to see Polson named at CHB, he'll more than match it with the CHFs, speed wise, getting to the aggott... then he'll gnaw on their knees and put them off.
Good to see Polson named at CHB, he'll more than match it with the CHFs, speed wise, getting to the aggott... then he'll gnaw on their knees and put them off.
Always full of surprises, is Bolts!
Might be horses for courses with ruckman....dont see us playing two genuine rucks every game, same with other teams...dont see Gawn and Pruess playing every game together either unless its to gang up on a player like Sandilands or combat another another team playing two genuine ruckman.
IMO we will go with Kreuzer and Harry only more often than not.......maybe the first few games we might get Kruezer with another ruckman like Philips or Lobbe but I think getting caught with a ruckman only stiff who cant play anywhere else will limit teams flexibility.
I'd rather play DeKoning with Kreuzer if we have to play two rucks...the former can play down forward and would benefit playing with MK.....
Fortunately for us, if he stays on the park, Kreuz plays as a tall RR whereas Flip and Lobbe are more your traditional ruckman. Maybe today's hitout is to see who partners up with Kreuz (out of Flip and Lobbe).
Good to see Polson named at CHB, he'll more than match it with the CHFs, speed wise, getting to the aggott... then he'll gnaw on their knees and put them off.
How did you get your hands on Bolton's instructions Baggers?
Interestingly, Gawn rates Kreuzer as his most difficult opponent:
“Matthew Kreuzer is probably the one that I rate the highest.
“His work rate, he keeps you very honest and he’s added this part to his game where he can mark and kick goals, which as a ruckman, seems to be one that you’re most scared of when they go and impact the scoreboard.”
Let's he does impact the scoreboard this season or at least draw a defender away from the triumvirate.
Might be horses for courses with ruckman....dont see us playing two genuine rucks every game, same with other teams...dont see Gawn and Pruess playing every game together either unless its to gang up on a player like Sandilands or combat another another team playing two genuine ruckman.
IMO we will go with Kreuzer and Harry only more often than not.......maybe the first few games we might get Kruezer with another ruckman like Philips or Lobbe but I think getting caught with a ruckman only stiff who cant play anywhere else will limit teams flexibility.
I'd rather play DeKoning with Kreuzer if we have to play two rucks...the former can play down forward and would benefit playing with MK.....
Jones can ruck too, as could Charlie in small doses....
What;s Rowe got to do with anything?
Rowe was a Ruckman fashioned into a gorilla minder Defender who has shown reasonable ability to play forward if/when required.
Our defense is looking very light on for options with the question marks over Marchbank and Macreadie (Goddard is not a convincing option at AFL level yet) so using Jones in the ruck is a problem because we are robbing Peter to pay Paul without the options to back fill Paul (perhaps shifting McGovern back for periods might work, but thats the only consideration that works.
Besides that, given the durability of Phillips and Kreuzer, Lobbe's lack of exposed form, Tom De Koning's youth, and Harry's requirement to be used in the forwardline, a defender who can actually relief ruck against competent ruckmen (unlike Levi) allows us better flexibility than cheating with one of Charlie Curnow, Liam Jones, or Harry McKay in the case that we start Phillips or Kreuzer and have a break down.
Rowe was aggressive, and would genuinely halve a ruck contest at worst. Levi is a battler at best, and at worst non competitive and gets smashed in the ruck because he isnt physical enough, and relies on having "the perfect sit".
The one key attribute that you need all your footballers to have, is tenacity. It makes ordinary look extraordinary.
Rowe was a Ruckman fashioned into a gorilla minder Defender who has shown reasonable ability to play forward if/when required.
Our defense is looking very light on for options with the question marks over Marchbank and Macreadie (Goddard is not a convincing option at AFL level yet) so using Jones in the ruck is a problem because we are robbing Peter to pay Paul without the options to back fill Paul (perhaps shifting McGovern back for periods might work, but thats the only consideration that works.
Besides that, given the durability of Phillips and Kreuzer, Lobbe's lack of exposed form, Tom De Koning's youth, and Harry's requirement to be used in the forwardline, a defender who can actually relief ruck against competent ruckmen (unlike Levi) allows us better flexibility than cheating with one of Charlie Curnow, Liam Jones, or Harry McKay in the case that we start Phillips or Kreuzer and have a break down.
Rowe was aggressive, and would genuinely halve a ruck contest at worst. Levi is a battler at best, and at worst non competitive and gets smashed in the ruck because he isnt physical enough, and relies on having "the perfect sit".
The one key attribute that you need all your footballers to have, is tenacity. It makes ordinary look extraordinary.
I think you're way overselling Rowe's ability and effectiveness as a ruck....
And I remain to be convinced many clubs, if any, will play two legitimate rucks....
So we needed to keep Rowe to ruck?
In addition to the 2 backup rucks plus Harry and Cas?
Not for me.
So we needed to keep Rowe to ruck?
In addition to the 2 backup rucks plus Harry and Cas?
Not for me.
At least he would've got his name on a locker :o
Northern Blues lead Port Melbourne 33-12 at qtr time.
At least he would've got his name on a locker :o
And that’s the only sound argument for keeping him on.
For the record, Rowe was recruited to play as a key forward. He wasn’t up to it and was re-invented as an adequate key defender. He did fill in as a ruckman but not with any success. Levi is a more accomplished ruckman and that says more about Rowe’s limitations than Levi’s prowess.
My preference would be to play Kreuzer with De Koning as second ruck but I think we’ll have to wait to see how things play out on the two rucks front.
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Ready & waiting. It looks good so far and it looks like they have sorted the audio sync issue on Telstra TV.
Stocker is looking good in his first game for the NB's. We lead Port 47-31 with the first goal by Casboult after half time. His 2nd goal
We look pretty thin down back if they load up with Daniher, McKernan, Brown and then Stringer.
But IMHO I'm not that fussed about the result here. I want to see Walsh and McGovern and also Gibbons and also rapt that Setterfield is playing. I think when we traded him in, the feeling was that he wasn't going to be ready for Round 1 anyway, but he's out there and fit.
Respectable start with some good signs.
Defence still looks troubled by quick ball movement by the opposition.
Young mids look very good. Walsh especially.
Gibbons has Polson covered.
We're on target to score 136!
Loving the decision to keep pick 1 and snare Walsh. The kid looks like an absolute jet and plays like he's got 50 games under his belt already. SPS showing great speed. Only a JLT game that means nothing but already looks better than anything we produced last year. Not sure Gibbons could've had a better start...and don't get me started on Polson!!!
Looking good in the clearaces and getting the ball forward well. Walsh and Newman have caught my eye.
any chance of a score?
any chance of a score?
We're winning 41-27 half way through the 2nd qtr.
McGovern 2, Gibbons 2, Dow, C.Curnow 1 each.
thanks
thanks
47-28 now. Cripps kicks a beauty.
Don't book any holidays in September. We're back!
Don't book any holidays in September. We're back!
Anyone know where I can get my tickets?.......lol.
Half time. We're winning 48-29. 2.3 to 0.4 that qtr. We did give up a couple of shots at goal late, so that hasn't changed, but they missed.
SPS: a new player. Phillips: going nicely Charlie: quiet Walsh: Geoff Raines like, he’s as good as they say Setterfield: will be fine. Newman: good. Weitering: very solid in body and play. McKay: Contesting Cripps: at will. Fisher: in and out
Half time. We're winning 48-29. 2.3 to 0.4 that qtr. We did give up a couple of shots at goal late, so that hasn't changed, but they missed.
No Laj, our luck has changed!
We are generally more composed. Not missing those turover merchants but Garlett needs to improve here, but otherwise he's going ok. So far I am liking the new rules.
Walsh will play every game this year if fit...and win the rising star. Daylight 2nd.
Cripps will continue his rise to the elite of the AFL, adding a new string to his bow this pre-season, (attempted) speckys!
Phillips is reminding everyone how good he is when fit. I'd have him in instead of Kreuzer at R1. Has more accelation than Kreuzer around the ground.
SPS is better than he was last year.
Gibbons plays R1. Need more pure footballers in the side who are quick thinkers. Would call him an upgrade on Wright at this stage.
Newman looks solid, although i think he short-armed it once, maybe a touch harsh.
Setterfield doesn't look out of place. Great size, long boot.
McGovern also knows how to play the game and competes well. Gets defenders very nervous from long balls into F50.
Good signs early.
Good comparison with Geoff Raines....he's got that slightly hunched over look....but what an unbelievable half of footy from the kid. I know it's hard to make a call based on half a game in a practice match but I'll be opening the wallet and having a punt on him to win the Rising Star Award. SPS is looking fantastic too and looks a lot quicker and fitter. None of the tall forwards have done much but our midfield is dominating.
@K
Yes I like Phillips so far.
Always had high regard for Phillips but the bugger is always injured. Here's hoping he can stay on the park as depth in the ruck department is always handy.
Gibbons starts off with a bang. 3rd goal in first 30 seconds.
And pencil Gibbons in as a lock for Round 1 too.
And pencil Gibbons in as a lock for Round 1 too.
I got told State League players are no good, the gap is too great between AFL and VFL...... ;) :)
Nic Newman playing very well too....ex Frankston.......
Walsh also showing composure......
Like Jack Silvagni's defensive work, tackling well..
Nice to be in front at three quarter time, been a long time.
We're a chance of the century.
We're a chance of the century.
We're a chance of losing!
We're a chance of losing!
I jinxed us...lol.
score please?
score please?
We up 88-84 with 11.30 to go. We were 37 up.
Completely run out of steam!
Lots of quick goals kicked in quick succession again ::)
Tiring and making mistakes - disappointing.
Whatever happens be nice to kick one more goal and get 100.
100!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Finally 100
ONE HUNDRED! ;D ;D
100
Score?
Score?
We lead 100-91 with 17 sec left.
We win!!!
Wooooooohooooo
100!
And a WIN!
28 touches and 8 inside 50's......and defensive running!
Welcome to the big time Sam Walsh. ;D
15.10 to 14.7
how many goals coughed up in the last?
Great win without Matty K though.
Bummers near full strength.
No legs left at all in that last qtr but found something when they got within 3 points.
15.10 to 14.7
how many goals coughed up in the last?
Great win without Matty K though.
Bummers near full strength.
They outscored us 6 to 3, 5 of those in a row before we steadied with 2.
Had their measure and took the foot off. SOS has built a list that can move forward now.
Will do wonders for their confidence....
Bummers very near full strength and a team many are saying ar top 4 material?
How did Shiel play?
Great to see us dig deep and kick 100 for the win. Sam Walsh fantastic! Well done boys, very encouraged by tonight. :)
Will do wonders for their confidence....
Bummers very near full strength and a team many are saying ar top 4 material?
How did Shiel play?
Smith, merret and heppell only played a half each. Cale hooker not there either.
Smith, merret and heppell only played a half each. Cale hooker not there either.
We were whooping them when those blokes on the park. i note Charlie only played a half, who else from our camp?
Charlie only played a half for us.
Two lesser highlights:
1. Setterfield 19 disposals in only his first real hit out for a loooong time out of the game. He’s an old fashioned footballer with a football brain.
2. SPS When Essendon got close, he took the responsibility to have a couple of key possessions. Showed real
maturity.
Good signs.
Will do wonders for their confidence....
Bummers very near full strength and a team many are saying ar top 4 material?
How did Shiel play?
D Shiel 15 disposals - 5 contested, 4 tackles
S Walsh 28 disposals - 11 contested, 4 tackles
Well done SOS
So many good things tonight.
But I must highlight one negative.
Daisy’s hair :o
I went along, too many beers but highlights as follows
- had a few beers with Brendon Boltons old man. Terriific fella, can see why BB is from good stock
- S Walsh
- Kicked 100 pts
- Alex Marcou still has it
- G Southby can drink
- Liked the intensity shown by our mob
- Cheats FC overrated, if they are thinking top 4 they are dreaming.
- Setterfield did some nice things
- Weiters looked confident
They weren’t at full strength the rucked Clarke the whole game and he got the flick from free, no Fantasia, Heppell Merrett Smith half a game no hooker or Bellchambers and their first hit out.
We won which is always good and we showed signs pretty happy.
Polson haters need to see he played a defensive game on saad and did his role still needs to win more kicks though.
Still too many easy dropped marks and sloppy kicks specially at goal but improvement on last years
We were whooping them when those blokes on the park. i note Charlie only played a half, who else from our camp?
But put them on the park together and would we still whoop them?
We were pretty much full strength minus kreuzer.
Awesome effort Sam Walsh, really happy that we have a genuine A grader here.
Newman was quite good, loved that Setterfield got through unscathed and was quite solid.
Jack Silvagni looked good as an inside mid at times, Cripps was Cripps, and Fisher cruised about the place. SPS was the surprise, really took charge at times and I think he copped a knock and kept pushing himself through - great signs there. Paddy Dow tried hard and is still building his tank, Lachie O'Brien got involved in that last term, and I thought Gibbons was everywhere in the first couple of quarters.
Great effort, obviously just a hit out, but good signs there.
But put them on the park together and would we still whoop them?
We were pretty much full strength minus kreuzer.
We went in with a near full strength list but still treated it as a preseason game too.
Can’t see Cripps starting on the wing at the centre bounce during the season proper.
I went along, too many beers but highlights as follows
- had a few beers with Brendon Boltons old man. Terriific fella, can see why BB is from good stock
- S Walsh
- Kicked 100 pts
- Alex Marcou still has it
- G Southby can drink
- Liked the intensity shown by our mob
- Cheats FC overrtated, if they are thinking top 4 they are draaming.
Was with some high profile Cheats FC supporters, they were seething, I was happy.
Unbelievable how many are making 'excuses' for the drug cheats.
For mine, the final margin flattered them greatly, irrespective of who they had on the park?
Clarke or Bellchambers - who cares, both average....
Almost forgot
- Marry me Crippa
Smith, merret and heppell only played a half each. Cale hooker not there either.
Give it up Thry; making excuses for Essenscum doesn’t really cut the mustard. We managed our players no more or no less than the Bombers and we had first 22 players out.
Rejoice in the win :)
Lachie O'Brien got involved in that last term.
Don’t think LOB played.
O'Brien played in the VFL against Port and was pretty good for 3 quarters. He ran out of gas in the last and so did all of his team mates.
I went along, too many beers but highlights as follows
- had a few beers with Brendon Boltons old man. Terriific fella, can see why BB is from good stock
- S Walsh
- Kicked 100 pts
- Alex Marcou still has it
- G Southby can drink
- Liked the intensity shown by our mob
- Cheats FC overrated, if they are thinking top 4 they are dreaming.
- Setterfield did some nice things
- Weiters looked confident
Sounds like you had a great evening G2C.
I had to make do with the tiny AFL app vision but it was still very enjoyable ... and the IPA wen down well :)
Sam Walsh is a gun and already looks looks surpassing all our No 1 picks in terms of impact, he already seems a big part of the midfield unit and next to Cripps going to be our most important midfield player. Liked Zac Fishers game tonight and I thought Setterfield did a few things that went unnoticed and he will be a capable assistant to Cripps as a tall midfielder who is designed for doing some heavy work.
I thought Nic Newman stood out though for poise and some second efforts down back....bargain based recruit who has come along at the right time with Docherty out and both Simpson and Thomas nearing the end....
Gibbons proved that VFL players are more than just surburban hacks and he has probably done enough to play round 1.........
Ok its only a JLT game but I'll take a win in any form and beating Essendon after being challenged makes it even better....plenty to get excited about IMO and while we traditionally play well vs the Bombers no matter where the two teams are on the ladder I thought we played a good brand of football tonight and didnt have many passengers.
Lets hope that form can continue vs Collingwood and into Round 1....
And huge upside too....from many.
Great that the goals are coming from many and often not those you'd expect...
Give it up Thry; making excuses for Essenscum doesn’t really cut the mustard. We managed our players no more or no less than the Bombers and we had first 22 players out.
Rejoice in the win :)
Just calling it as it is. I'm not getting too excited given many different tactics were tested by both teams.
I'll put up a full report for this game and the VFL tomorrow sometime, but I enjoyed the day, hot though it was. The Northern Blues were the better team for most of the match, but wilted in the last quarter. Jesse Palmer, Josh Hill, Jono O'Rourke and Collins did play at all, while Tom Wilson didn't ply much. Stocker played for a half and looked OK. Ben had a good hit out, but he has a long way to go.
In the seniors, we also had a number of guys out. But we had two ruckmen this week. It made a lot of difference. Phillips was close to BOG at half time. Charlie Curnow barely played a half. Schumacher didn't get much time on the ground. McGovern didn't come back after half time: he simply sat on the bench. With a lot of potential senior players still unavailable, we took the game up to the Drug Cheats and dominated for most of the night. We did not make the most of the time in the forward line: we should have won by a LOT more.
SPS did some marvelous things, but his tank still needs work. He slowed down a lot after half time. Cripps didn't even have a big night and he still got 33 possessions. Sam Walsh was excellent again, showing speed, poise and the ability to find the ball. Phillips was brilliant in the first half, but he tired a bit. Lobbe got his hand to the ball, but Essendon got more clearances while he was on the ball. Newman was good. Daisy was excellent. Fisher didn't appear to dominate the game, but had 25 possessions. Jack Silvagni played the best 7 possessions I can remember. And he, at least, lead to the ball. The other forwards just waited for the long bombs. One of them might take mark of the year if they get out of each other's way.
Essendon got a lot of really easy goals, from getting the ball over the back into the space. We really need to work on that, as Hawthorn did the same last week. Our defenders lost very few contests, but struggled when the ball came over the back.
It was very nice to beat the Drug Cheats. I really don't think they are that good.
And huge upside too....from many.
Great that the goals are coming from many and often not those you'd expect...
Midfield upside is huge, finally Cripps doesnt have to be superman anymore and can be used forward as a weapon.....we have the players to take that midfield load off him.
McGovern, Harry and Charlie will get better every game as they work out not to fly together and get an idea on how each other plays...kicking 100 points plus shouldnt be a problem anymore.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mCH3mdjFqM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGE5U8IUPkw
For you Thry!
Cuners at 3.15 on....this guy is good!
Sam Walsh is a gun and already looks looks surpassing all our No 1 picks in terms of impact, he already seems a big part of the midfield unit and next to Cripps going to be our most important midfield player. Liked Zac Fishers game tonight and I thought Setterfield did a few things that went unnoticed and he will be a capable assistant to Cripps as a tall midfielder who is designed for doing some heavy work.
I thought Nic Newman stood out though for poise and some second efforts down back....bargain based recruit who has come along at the right time with Docherty out and both Simpson and Thomas nearing the end....
Gibbons proved that VFL players are more than just surburban hacks and he has probably done enough to play round 1.........
Ok its only a JLT game but I'll take a win in any form and beating Essendon after being challenged makes it even better....plenty to get excited about IMO and while we traditionally play well vs the Bombers no matter where the two teams are on the ladder I thought we played a good brand of football tonight and didnt have many passengers.
Lets hope that form can continue vs Collingwood and into Round 1....
Weitering had a good first year in a difficult role but Walsh is a different kettle of fish altogether. He is going to be an absolute balltearer!
I think that the critical comment is that we didn't have passengers.
I'm not entirely convinced about Garlett as a defender but I thought he did OK tonight. He didn't take crepe from Stringer, delivered a solid hip and shoulder and played his part in some positive ball movement out of defence.
There's a long way to go but there's a lot to like about the way we played tonight.
Weitering had a good first year in a difficult role but Walsh is a different kettle of fish altogether. He is going to be an absolute balltearer!
I think that the critical comment is that we didn't have passengers.
I'm not entirely convinced about Garlett as a defender but I thought he did OK tonight. He didn't take crepe from Stringer, delivered a solid hip and shoulder and played his part in some positive ball movement out of defence.
There's a long way to go but there's a lot to like about the way we played tonight.
As you say, you get the feeling these blokes are starting to play for each other....
As you say, you get the feeling these blokes are starting to play for each other....
Right on, our culture change was noticeable and for me the most encouraging thing about the game. There was much to smile about. :)
Main highlights well covered... Walsh, Cripps, SPS.
My lesser highlights:
Cunningham. I heard a lot about him on the forums, but couldnt really remember why there was so much love. He reminded me last night. Looked great, and gee he has some pace.
Weiters. A really different look about him. Looked more confident, but he didnt look as laconic, seemed to have more intensity and "oomph".
Our forward pressure was great. Something we've lacked for a couple of years. Jack has improved his tackling greatly and laid a couple of beauties.
As you say, you get the feeling these blokes are starting to play for each other....
Or perhaps in-spite of each other! :o
I do wonder if the more talented kids having been exposed to the imports are starting to be feed up with the old ways.
So much to like, and yes, it's only JLT. But...
Welcome Gibbo, Gov and Newman, immediate positive impact (especially impressed with Newman's work down back - got a ripper with this kid). Likewise Walsh, but almost goes without saying now, what a star. Fish and Cripps... dynamic duo.
Flip - good stuff. Took some very good marks along with good ruck work.
Welcome back, Weiters.
Never thought Cuningham would make it as a defender or even mid (at this stage), too many vanishing acts... BUT... fading in and out as a silky, opportunistic forward... yep.
Concerns: Polson and SOJ (although SOJ made the most of very few possessions) and concentration lapse in final qtr.
Despite the multiple new additions and players returning from injury, these guys played like a team. All appear to know what the plan is, and are pulling in the same direction :)
Finally we see glimpses of cohesion within a winning culture. Early days but so much to like last night.
Highlight for me, aside those previously mentioned: our boys grinning in unison - with our coaches, staff, and all Bluebaggers
Go new Blues
So much to like, and yes, it's only JLT. But...
Welcome Gibbo, Gov and Newman, immediate positive impact (especially impressed with Newman's work down back - got a ripper with this kid). Likewise Walsh, but almost goes without saying now, what a star. Fish and Cripps... dynamic duo.
Flip - good stuff. Took some very good marks along with good ruck work.
Welcome back, Weiters.
Never thought Cuningham would make it as a defender or even mid (at this stage), too many vanishing acts... BUT... fading in and out as a silky, opportunistic forward... yep.
Concerns: Polson and SOJ (although SOJ made the most of very few possessions) and concentration lapse in final qtr.
These two I have pencilled in to be 50-100 odd game cameo performance players and will never win many fans over.
They won't win you many games off their own boot, but they will plug away, over and over and over again and make the most of their limited abilities in the same way other less lauded players have in the past.
Its worth remembering at this point, that whilst everyone lauded Hawthorn's usual suspects of Roughead, Cyril, Lewis and co, there were other blokes who somehow found a way to impact games without their requisite ability (thinking of Will Langford's grand final against Sydney in 2014). 21 disposals, 6 tackles 3 goals. If you can get something resembling that from JSOS, or Polson, then they have done alright and are worth keeping just in case we have a few drop to injury. Your depth cant all be classy. They just have to be willing to stick around, play their part for the team and the club, and make the most of limited opportunities which thus far they appear to be doing.
Concerns: Polson and SOJ (although SOJ made the most of very few possessions) and concentration lapse in final qtr.
I thought Poulson and SoJ was a bit stiff not to be rewarded for some very good tackles, and both did not receive frees for being tackled high or being slung.
I don't know what it is but we seem to have to hold onto an opponent much longer to be rewarded for a good tackle, yet we get stung almost instantly if we are tackled. On Kayo I heard Brown or Riewoldt comment during the match that they would like to see more Carlton players endeavored to get their hands free when tackled rather than being so submissive. This could be part of the problem, or maybe our coaching is a bit old fashioned in this regard as we seem to be using more of the hold it in tactic. I thought Daisy was very good at getting his hands free and getting a disposal away.
One thing, we are still horrible at fumbling or missing marks to our advantage. Rule 101, if you are under pressure knock/fumble the ball to a team-mates advantage.
Finally, while we were very good at stoppages we still lack smalls getting at the feet of McKay and McGovern from marking contests. They are not going to be outmarked yet it was often players like Tipungwuti, McGrath, Smith or Francis in front of the pack at the fall of the ball. When it comes to Rnd 1 versus Nthmond, it'll be Nthmond numbers at the feet of Riewoldt or some other Nthmond KPF.
Sounds like you had a great evening G2C.
I had to make do with the tiny AFL app vision but it was still very enjoyable ... and the IPA wen down well :)
Twas a great night DJ, even if it was only a praccy match
These two I have pencilled in to be 50-100 odd game cameo performance players and will never win many fans over.
They won't win you many games off their own boot, but they will plug away, over and over and over again and make the most of their limited abilities in the same way other less lauded players have in the past.
Wiggo, Rhino
I love the attitude of both Polson and SOJ and the way they attack the game.
It's a terrific example....and probably the reason Polson gets, what some might consider, more than his fair share of games.
Hopefully that can be rewarded with a little more than just the occasional cameo as it's an attitude that should be reflected in all players
Pre-Season....don't put any stock at all in the relative merits of either side and the result should they meet in the regular season.
However
Some really good signs from the younger and newer players that suggests we'll be a stronger side this year.
As has been mentioned in other threads though, it's a matter of who we can go past that will determine our ladder position.
We'll need to improve at a greater rate than others and pass a few sides on the slide....and there will be sliders.
Walsh looks like vindicating the choice we made to go with the Pick 1 rather than trading it for multiple picks....but once again we'll have to wait a bit to actually see.
Thought that a lot of our players looked a bit stuffed after the game meaning they really committed.
That tiredness probably contributed to the Bombers rush of goals in the last.
It could be explained simply by the fact they may have continued with a heavy training load in the lead up to the game.
Plenty of positives that hopefully carry over to the season proper.
Something I 'think' noticed is that we seemed to knock the ball out of opponents hands in a tackle/chase down a number of times.
If done well it makes an incorrect disposal somewhat clearer rather than a tackle where prior opportunity may come into question.
Am I making this up or did i see some sort of change? Anyone else notice this?
Wiggo, Rhino
I love the attitude of both Polson and SOJ and the way they attack the game.
It's a terrific example....and probably the reason Polson gets, what some might consider, more than his fair share of games.
Hopefully that can be rewarded with a little more than just the occasional cameo as it's an attitude that should be reflected in all players
Pre-Season....don't put any stock at all in the relative merits of either side and the result should they meet in the regular season.
However
Some really good signs from the younger and newer players that suggests we'll be a stronger side this year.
As has been mentioned in other threads though, it's a matter of who we can go past that will determine our ladder position.
We'll need to improve at a greater rate than others and pass a few sides on the slide....and there will be sliders.
Walsh looks like vindicating the choice we made to go with the Pick 1 rather than trading it for multiple picks....but once again we'll have to wait a bit to actually see.
Thought that a lot of our players looked a bit stuffed after the game meaning they really committed.
That tiredness probably contributed to the Bombers rush of goals in the last.
It could be explained simply by the fact they may have continued with a heavy training load in the lead up to the game.
Plenty of positives that hopefully carry over to the season proper.
It was 37 degrees also wouldn't have helped.
Something I 'think' noticed is that we seemed to knock the ball out of opponents hands in a tackle/chase down a number of times.
If done well it makes an incorrect disposal somewhat clearer rather than a tackle where prior opportunity may come into question.
Am I making this up or did i see some sort of change? Anyone else notice this?
Given I watched the game on Kayo at 270p resolution, I can't really help here. Maybe we've been working on a more effective tackling regime over summer. Really happy if that's the case.
Given I watched the game on Kayo at 270p resolution, I can't really help here. Maybe we've been working on a more effective tackling regime over summer. Really happy if that's the case.
270p is that even still available, or are you in Bali?
Do you find streaming issues will all Kayo stuff, or just the odd program?
Given I watched the game on Kayo at 270p resolution, I can't really help here. Maybe we've been working on a more effective tackling regime over summer. Really happy if that's the case.
How come SPF? I watched it on Kayo in HD no problem. However, I've mentioned before that there have been problems with audio synch on Replays but that seems to have been fixed now. I was a bit p--ed off about that at first I must say. Anyway, so far so good. I found the pause function handy last night I must say - needed a few breaks due to beer overload.
I found the pause function handy last night I must say - needed a few breaks due to beer overload.
Last night I could not get the pause function to work, that really pissed me off!
Last night I could not get the pause function to work, that really pissed me off!
I think I just used the Pause button on the Telstra TV remote?? That works on other apps too.
SPS did some marvelous things, but his tank still needs work. He slowed down a lot after half time.
Not sure about this point... I was really happy that his last quarter was one of his best.
Not sure about this point... I was really happy that his last quarter was one of his best.
Whilst an extremely classy looking player generally, I find his disposals sometimes look a bit weak or unadventurous. Certainly rarely what I would call "damaging". He seems to favour the shorter, safer options by foot. More damaging by hand I think with his close in quick gives?
Whilst an extremely classy looking player generally, I find his disposals sometimes look a bit weak or unadventurous. Certainly rarely what I would call "damaging". He seems to favour the shorter, safer options by foot. More damaging by hand I think with his close in quick gives?
I've noticed that too, Cookie. Rarely has much 'penetration'. Not sure whether it's skill-related or a confidence thing. Walsh looks a lot more inclined to mix up the lines by foot, so far.
Heraldsun today reviewing the game called them the Baby Bombers.
It was one small step but a damned significant one if we continue on a similar path into round 1.
It actually looked like a team out there
It was one small step but a damned significant one
A touch of Neil Armstrong about that quote!!!
Heraldsun today reviewing the game called them the Baby Bombers.
Pre-game the media described both teams as "Near full strength!"
Pre-game the media described both teams as "Near full strength!"
Exactly.
http://www.jockreynolds.com.au/2019/02/28/essendon-vs-carlton-jlt-review/
Notable absentees
Carlton: Sam Docherty, Alex Fasolo, Matthew Kreuzer, Caleb Marchbank, Matthew Kennedy, Levi Casboult, Hugh Goddard, Darcy Lang, Jarrod Pickett, Tom Williamson, Liam Stocker
Essendon: Mary Gleeson, Cale Hooker, Tom Bellchambers, Orazio Fantasia, David Myers, Matt Dea
I for one am more than pleased that Joe D doesn't play for us... a more overhyped player I'm yet to see.
And if I was paying $900 K p.a. I'd want to see more from Shiel.
Baby bombers my bum......"baby bombers" is another HS myth - their '93 side was as old and as experienced as ours. So they have pulled out this old chestnut to cover an unexpected loss over a less vaunted opponent? Didn't they play 28 and we played 23? Any mention of that?
One thing that worried me is how they scored their goals - too many complete possession chains from defence and too often sneaking out the back. Need to remember that for next time and be ready for it.
They got a lot of drive out of defence from McKenna and Saad.
Who was tasked with curtailing those two? I thought that was the job of our flankers and "small forward" unit?
A touch of Neil Armstrong about that quote!!!
I'm a huge NASA fan :) Far longer than I care to remember
They got a lot of drive out of defence from McKenna and Saad.
I would have said that they got some drive out of defence from McKenna and Saad. Unfortunately, the few times they did break the lines ended up with the ball out the back and easy goals.
I thought we did very well at forcing Essendon to go down the line and often ending up out of bounds.
It’s still a work in progress but the basics are there.
Did anyone notice whenever Cripps got the ball his matenlittle fish wasn’t far away, they look for each other those two.
Love it
Agree with an earlier comment about Garlett...not sure he's suited to a defensive role. On more than one occasion yesterday he tried to take mark of the century and left his opponent over the back to get easy balls. He's got pace but just doesn't seem to have a defensive nature to his game and his kicking lets him down at times too.
Of our blokes out, I would probably only think Kruezer, Marchbank, Fasolo (fit) and maybe Kennedy would be in the possible best 22 this year...obviously Docherty out for the season.
But a very encouraging performance and the midfield looked 100% better than anything from last year.
From what I saw last night and heard about his game against hawthorn he was much better. We have him covered up forward now with gibbons possibly and it’s worth a shot.
IMO he didn’t look out of place.
Agree with an earlier comment about Garlett...not sure he's suited to a defensive role. On more than one occasion yesterday he tried to take mark of the century and left his opponent over the back to get easy balls. He's got pace but just doesn't seem to have a defensive nature to his game and his kicking lets him down at times too.
Of our blokes out, I would probably only think Kruezer, Marchbank, Fasolo (fit) and maybe Kennedy would be in the possible best 22 this year...obviously Docherty out for the season.
But a very encouraging performance and the midfield looked 100% better than anything from last year.
Tom W??
Tom Williamson a walkup start IF fit......
IS Marchy, Willo fit Daisy and Simmo are in the firing line... as they should be.
If Williamson gets back and playing it's an added bonus for sure but not holding my breath on that one. It might be a horses for courses strategy with defenders when Marchbank is fit. With Jones & Weitering the two main key defenders, Marchbank might get squeezed out...then the likes of Plowman, Newman, Simpson/Thomas. If nothing else, it might mean we've got some depth for a change with blokes fighting for spots. Weitering looked 10 times more assured when attacking the ball than last year....another good sign.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/weitering-a-top-priority-for-carlton-20190301-p511ah.html
He's 21, having played 56 games. Whereas Charlie Curnow, his draft class mate of 2015, emerged as a major forward force last year, Weitering remained a dormant talent – a symbol, indeed, of Carlton's vast unrealised potential as a football club.
Weitering stumbled in 2018 for various reasons. It didn't help that that the Blues were awful, and that he was being asked to play as a key defender in a team that was getting smashed in the midfield.
In normal circumstances, a young key back begins his career as the second or third tall, playing alongside a 150-gamer who plays on the premier forwards. Weitering, alas, wasn't afforded the typical apprenticeship.
Tom Williamson a walkup start IF fit......
IS Marchy, Willo fit Daisy and Simmo are in the firing line... as they should be.
A bloke who hasn't played a game in 18 months, and hasn't been able to train with any consistency is about as far from a walkup start as possible.
Ability is one thing. Being physically and mentally ready for AFL is completely different.
A bloke who hasn't played a game in 18 months, and hasn't been able to train with any consistency is about as far from a walkup start as possible.
Ability is one thing. Being physically and mentally ready for AFL is completely different.
Perhaps a walk up start was overly generous. Your slap down was ordinary, but expected. Entirely.
Perhaps a walk up start was overly generous. Your slap down was ordinary, but expected. Entirely.
As it should be expected. If you say something clearly outlandish, you will be called on it. As you would with me. I expect nothing less.
Tom Williamson a walkup start IF fit......
IS Marchy, Willo fit Daisy and Simmo are in the firing line... as they should be.
Williamson has been a big loss, he can play on a variety of players and his kicking is a weapon.....be a walkup start for me too if fit.
Without a proper preseason he is going to struggle even if he does get back but i cant believe some people want to axe him off the list and rookie him etc.....
I would have said that they got some drive out of defence from McKenna and Saad. Unfortunately, the few times they did break the lines ended up with the ball out the back and easy goals.
I thought we did very well at forcing Essendon to go down the line and often ending up out of bounds.
It’s still a work in progress but the basics are there.
The times they did break out made us look vulnerable to that level of pace - something to be aware of and be prepared for. Can't afford complacency, long way to go yet.
I enjoyed going to the game last night, it's always a joy to win against the Bummers!
Thoughts on the game....
Gibbo is a lock for a small forward role, he showed his class last night, I would like to have seen him play more midfield minutes, but alas. His greatest weakness is probably penetration in his kicking, but as long as he plays within his limitations, he will do just fine.
McGovern looked good, he got on the lead or at least lost his man a couple of times to take a mark and get a shot on goal.
H and Charlie both seemed too content to sit in the goal square and let the mids bomb it long to the top of the square. Ok we did score quite a few crumbing goals from this, but I would prefer to see more movement and creativity in our forward movement and leading patterns.
Newman was solid, dependable and exactly what he needs to be in his role down back. Nothing flashy, but he wins his contests and plays his role. He doesn't have Docherty's quality, but I would consider him a competent replacement.
Settters seemed to have a quiet 1st half, at least I didn't notice him too much, but he seemed to work his way into the game from then on. To be expected for someone who has been out of the game for as long as he has I guess. He showed some class and skills and did enough in the end to encourage me that he will be a good addition to our midfield.
Schuey I didn't see until about 2 minutes before the final siren, so can't really comment. His stats read 2 tackles which might say something about his intent for the short time he was on the ground.
Walsh. Believe the hype, all of it. I could not have been more impressed, he was in everything, backing into packs, making 2nd and 3rd efforts when team mates were just ball gazing. Phenomenal game for a 1st year player. Very excited.
Sammo has stepped up. He probably needed to, but IMO he has, or did last night anyhow, he looked good, got involved and used the ball well.
Dow, a year below Fisher and Sammo and looked a step below them last night too, which is more observation than a criticism. I was impressed that every time it was his time to 'go' he did, and more often than not got the ball and did something constructive with it. I didn't notice any 'wow' moments, but that's ok by me.
Phillips was probably the standout tall player on the ground, dominated the 2nd qtr and made solid contributions in the other 3 with some great marks around the ground.
I thought Daisy was the best of our older guys.
Without looking at the stats, the ball seemed to spend a lot more time in our forward half than it did theirs, so we won that battle. When they did get the ball out it was out the front of a contest and then on a fast break. We had no answer when this happened. Over all though our defense was much better than anything seen last year, but our ball movement seemed a bit scratchy at times, so plenty of things still to work on !!
A fairly high scoring game, Im sure the AFL will be happy about that, although the new rules didn't make any obvious differences to me, which is probably a good thing.
I asked an Essendon supporter sitting next to me how many they had out from their best 22? He counted 4, I counted 4 for us as well, so no excuses for either side there.
Okay, just watched a high definition replay of the game, the guy I 'thought' was a bulked up Lochie O'Brien was in fact, Sam Walsh who was everywhere. The guy covers ground I will give him that, AND he is only a first-year player. Really, Really impressive stuff from this guy.
Will Setterfield appears much taller than 190cm, he seems to be nearer to Cripps height - can anyone confirm in the flesh?
Cunningham's game was a class above anything he's previously delivered. Really fantastic by his standards.
Our forwards need to work more together, they really spoiled each other, but Jack was better than 7 possessions (can't quite believe that from the replay).
I thought Jack looked taller too....
And the old skipper, almost looked lost to me - not knowing his role/place in the new hierarchy?
I thought Jack looked taller too....
And the old skipper, almost looked lost to me - not knowing his role/place in the new hierarchy?
Jack looked at least as tall as McGovern and Setterfield :)
I thought Murphy was good; his positioning and ball use complemented the work of Samo, Walsh, Dow, Setterfield et al. He should be in for a good season and will relish less opposition attention.
I thought Murphy went well and looked more assured in a way - was tackling harder for one thing. I am looking forward to a significant contribution from him this year.
The times they did break out made us look vulnerable to that level of pace - something to be aware of and be prepared for. Can't afford complacency, long way to go yet.
Absolutely Cookie!
I thought that we maintained pressure on Essendon players attempting to break the lines, and Walsh’s run down tackle epitomised that. They still got away with it too often but not as much as they would have over the last couple of years.
I thought Murphy went well and looked more assured in a way - was tackling harder for one thing. I am looking forward to a significant contribution from him this year.
Being at the game and watching the whole ground, I thought we maintained our structure/shape way better than they did. This can cover lack of speed if done right. Sure youre going to caught out from time to time when a turnover occurs, by and large though, I thought we looked good.
I thought Murphy went well and looked more assured in a way - was tackling harder for one thing. I am looking forward to a significant contribution from him this year.
2 tackles and D/E around 58%.
2 tackles and D/E around 58%.
Don't think that bare stats always tell the whole story. I got the clear impression he was playing with more confidence.
Don't think that bare stats always tell the whole story. I got the clear impression he was playing with more confidence.
Yes, I thought he did a lot of sacrificial stuff Thursday, things we would expect him to normally be the beneficiary of.
Okay, just watched a high definition replay of the game, the guy I 'thought' was a bulked up Lochie O'Brien was in fact, Sam Walsh who was everywhere. The guy covers ground I will give him that, AND he is only a first-year player. Really, Really impressive stuff from this guy.
Will Setterfield appears much taller than 190cm, he seems to be nearer to Cripps height - can anyone confirm in the flesh?
Cunningham's game was a class above anything he's previously delivered. Really fantastic by his standards.
Our forwards need to work more together, they really spoiled each other, but Jack was better than 7 possessions (can't quite believe that from the replay).
Setters looked a lot like the 19 year old Kouta, even down to his kicking. He is supposed to be 191 cm, but he played taller and he moved very well. I wasn't sure how fast he was, because he moved like the young Kouta did: he looked to have time even under pressure.
I enjoyed going to the game last night, it's always a joy to win against the Bummers!
Thoughts on the game....
Gibbo is a lock for a small forward role, he showed his class last night, I would like to have seen him play more midfield minutes, but alas. His greatest weakness is probably penetration in his kicking, but as long as he plays within his limitations, he will do just fine.
McGovern looked good, he got on the lead or at least lost his man a couple of times to take a mark and get a shot on goal.
H and Charlie both seemed too content to sit in the goal square and let the mids bomb it long to the top of the square. Ok we did score quite a few crumbing goals from this, but I would prefer to see more movement and creativity in our forward movement and leading patterns.
Newman was solid, dependable and exactly what he needs to be in his role down back. Nothing flashy, but he wins his contests and plays his role. He doesn't have Docherty's quality, but I would consider him a competent replacement.
Settters seemed to have a quiet 1st half, at least I didn't notice him too much, but he seemed to work his way into the game from then on. To be expected for someone who has been out of the game for as long as he has I guess. He showed some class and skills and did enough in the end to encourage me that he will be a good addition to our midfield.
Schuey I didn't see until about 2 minutes before the final siren, so can't really comment. His stats read 2 tackles which might say something about his intent for the short time he was on the ground.
Walsh. Believe the hype, all of it. I could not have been more impressed, he was in everything, backing into packs, making 2nd and 3rd efforts when team mates were just ball gazing. Phenomenal game for a 1st year player. Very excited.
Sammo has stepped up. He probably needed to, but IMO he has, or did last night anyhow, he looked good, got involved and used the ball well.
Dow, a year below Fisher and Sammo and looked a step below them last night too, which is more observation than a criticism. I was impressed that every time it was his time to 'go' he did, and more often than not got the ball and did something constructive with it. I didn't notice any 'wow' moments, but that's ok by me.
Phillips was probably the standout tall player on the ground, dominated the 2nd qtr and made solid contributions in the other 3 with some great marks around the ground.
I thought Daisy was the best of our older guys.
Without looking at the stats, the ball seemed to spend a lot more time in our forward half than it did theirs, so we won that battle. When they did get the ball out it was out the front of a contest and then on a fast break. We had no answer when this happened. Over all though our defense was much better than anything seen last year, but our ball movement seemed a bit scratchy at times, so plenty of things still to work on !!
A fairly high scoring game, Im sure the AFL will be happy about that, although the new rules didn't make any obvious differences to me, which is probably a good thing.
I asked an Essendon supporter sitting next to me how many they had out from their best 22? He counted 4, I counted 4 for us as well, so no excuses for either side there.
Nice. I haven't had time to put in my 2 cents worth yet, and this is good. Amers and I met at the game and enjoyed the game sitting under the coaches' boxes. The light could have been better - it reminded me of the conditions at QEO in Bendigo, quite surreal.
Right. I guess it is time I put my 2 cents forward, or it will be next week already.
[1] I met Amers out under the coaches’ boxes on the southern wing. It was nice to discuss things on a pretty warm night. I had some mini chocolate eggs in my suit pocket, bribes for students when and if they deserve them. They all melted into an unidentifiable mess in their plastic envelope.
Yes, it was a warm afternoon and evening.
[2] You can tell a lot about how much we’ve worked on our game plan. We still have a long way to go, but it was refreshing to see the effort, the self-belief in the players and the improved way we moved the ball forward.
(a) One really good thing was the way we handballed to get out of trouble. Last year we wouldn’t have had the self-belief to try it, let alone the skills to do that task. We were also quite good at interfering with Essendon’s attempt to try similar things.
(b) The forward pressure was really good. When we got the ball into the forward line, it rarely cam back out. The pressure made mistakes happen and allowed us a number of crumbing goals. Crumbing goals were the main way we scored.
(c) Moving the ball quickly from the middle was another highlight, especially as we didn’t have to depend on Cripps to do it. We still often go back for a few metres, but our handball and our following up from defence allowed us to move the ball quickly and give our forward a chance one out.
(d) We didn’t lose a lot of one on one contests, especially marking contests. Our key defenders were out-marked twice for the night. One of those was Daniher in the first 30 seconds. He didn’t beat Jones in a one on one contest after that. Similarly, Weitering lost only one contest for the night, being out-marked in a pack by Zac Clarke.
(e) One of the bad things was the way Essendon did score their goals: getting the ball over the back and getting cheap goals. Almost all of their scores came this way. As a rule, our defenders were too far forward when the ball did come out and couldn’t get back on their opponents.
(f) Another not so good thing was the way we kicked long to a pack. It was our default way of going forward and it did not result in a single mark and goal. It did produce some good crumbing goals, but nobody held the big mark.
I was disappointed that so few players led out. Mitch McGovern led only twice or thrice, with one being successful (chest mark and goal). I can’t remember H doing it even once. Jack Silvagni did it a few times and produced some opportunities.
Just kicking it a pack was silly, as there would be 8 – 10 guys trying for mark of the year. Silvagni and McGovern almost made the marks but end up with no pack marks between them. Basically, our forwards got in the way of each other. We need to open that out, and quickly, as that would give us some better forward options.
One good point was the way our smalls got around the pack and kept the ball from getting out. It was a reason we won.
It was good to meet you Crash, you can tell from our reports which 1 is the teacher and which 1 of us barely scraped through year 12 (and a long time ago now too!!).
Hey Crash, we're famous, you can see us in the game highlights package, during the 3rd qtr, if you know where to look!!
It was good to meet you Crash, you can tell from our reports which 1 is the teacher and which 1 of us barely scraped through year 12 (and a long time ago now too!!).
Hey Crash, we're famous, you can see us in the game highlights package, during the 3rd qtr, if you know where to look!!
If I ever see a replay, I'll look carefully. :)
[3] Players:
1. Jack Silvagni: This was probably the best 7 possessions game since Robbert Klomp won the TV in the old days. Seriously, Jack was in the play a lot more than his stats would suggest, and he did some really good stuff. I would like to see him get more of the ball, but the things he did were significant.
2. Paddy Dow: 19 possessions to Paddy Dow with a few moments of real magic. Promising.
3. Marc Murphy: Murph didn’t get into the centre square and wasn’t required as we ruled around the packs. He wasn’t at his best, but he was much better this week. With 22 possessions, he is warming up for the season proper.
5. Sam Petrevski-Seton: 18 possessions tell you a lot about SPS’s game. He spent time in the middle and did some really nice things, his kicking was solid, and he had his opponents rolling around trying to tackle him. His fitness level is probably not quite where it should be yet, as SPS can drift out of the game. However, the last 2 weeks show how much he has improved.
6. Kade Simpson: Like Murphy, Simmo was better this week and should be better again by Round 1. 14 possessions and 5 marks was a good warm up.
9. Paddy Cripps: Crippa managed 33 possessions without getting out of 2nd gear. But the most important thing was that he wasn’t required to do it all. He spent considerable periods playing forward, where he could have done better if 10-12 players weren’t going for every mark. His goals were really good.
10. Harry McKay: While H was dangerous, he didn’t get a lot of the ball. But when we moved the ball more intelligently, he was a handful. His opponent got some easy possessions as we tried kicking over the top and didn’t get it near H.
11. Mitch McGovern: Still some weeks off from being match ready, which isn’t a big surprise with his interrupted pre-season. He really needs to lead more, which would open the forward line and allow the remaining tall forward a better chance if the ball is bombed in. he only did it about 3 times for the night and looked like scoring every time it happened. He was rested after half time.
14. Liam Jones: Liam only had 6 possessions this week after totally dominating last week, but he did a good job and held the Essendon tall forwards under control, he was beaten only once in a one on one contest.
18. Sam Walsh: Another excellent performance from the young lad, who showed already that he is ready for senior football. 28 possessions and 4 tackles and some real magic moments.
19. Angus Schumacher: The lad didn’t have much time on the field and managed 2 tackles. Needs more time on the ground.
20. Lachie Plowman: A very solid game in defence.
21. Jarrod Garlett: Very busy down back and didn’t make so many errors. Only 10 possessions but his opponents amounted to nothing. Garlett needs more time getting used to the position, but he looked better doing the job this week.
23. Jacob Weitering: 15 possessions and 5 marks suggested that Jacob has turned the corner. He again controlled his opponents while taking some good marks. Good signs.
24. Nic Newman: Very solid in defence and cleaned up well around the packs. 20 possessions and 8 marks show just how much he did. He ran and he beat his opponents.
25. Zac Fisher: Welcome back! 26 possessions and a lot of time in the middle, Zac was good in the middle and helped us to get more clearances.
27. Matthew Lobbe: Only played half of the game and did OK, but he lost momentum when he was in the ruck. He was also a liability in the forward line.
28. David Cuningham: 15 possessions and 3 goals. Cunners showed a lot, although he also was a bit in and out. Definitely did some nice things. This sort of game will do him the world of good.
29. Cam Polson: 8 possessions and 4 tackles. Not enough yet, but not rubbish and his disposals were generally better.
30. Charlie Curnow: Not a huge game and he went of in the 3rd quarter, but he looked terribly dangerous. He led and moved unground.
34. Andrew Phillips: One of his best games, with lots of taps to advantage, some towering marks. Andrew was fundamental in our ability to get the ball out of the middle this week.
35. Ed Curnow: Solid and workmanlike. Need to get more shots on goal.
39. Daisy Thomas: 26 quality possessions. A top game from Daisy.
40. Michael Gibson: Lot of lot of ball, but he was dangerous around goal. He needs to spend a bit more time on the ball. Showed enough to suggest he’ll play Rd 1.
43. Will Setterfield: Started quietly in the first half but came into his own after half time. His clearances work was good and he looked like he has a real future with us.
The biggest difference in our game from last year to this game was the permanent forward presence of Ed, Polson, Gibbo and Cunningham.
This is a significant shift in our forward half game plan of the past which was built around bombing it long and hoping for a clean mark.
Vs. the bombres our tall fwds contributed 4 goals (I think) and these smalls at least 6. That is far a more functional / sustainable mix. Our talls only have to halve the contest and we can still score.
Better ball use into the front half and better leading patterns and the talls should score more frequently.
Better ball use into the front half and better leading patterns and the talls should score more frequently.
It wasn't rocket science, especially with the new rules.
Get the ball I50 fast - before the opposition gets numbers back....
Perhaps on Thursday the instructions were to minimise leading given the heat?
Better ball use into the front half and better leading patterns and the talls should score more frequently.
We can't underestimate the importance of the addition of Walsh into our midfield.
When teamed up with Cripps, you have a great 1-2 punch.
Add another year into Dow and even OBrien, the maturing of SPS and the addition of Setterfield and we have a midfield made up of Cripps and kids taken in the top 6 all coming through together.
That in turn allows us to let Murphy prolong his career playing on the fringes
I watch these games with caution and pretty much use them only to get a decent look at the new players. Setterfield and Walsh both looked better then I expected. Having said like love beating those pr1cks even if its a nothing game.
Both above players looked calm with ball in hand are evasive in traffic and use the ball well. These 3 traits that are almost bloody hard to train into if you don't start with some of them. The top end midfield players usually have all 3.....and its exactly the quality you need when building a list capable of going all the way.
It's the very reason I struggle to see any future in players like Garlett, Polson and sadly even Lang I don't have much faith in. Its generally heart in the mouth stuff even when they have space and hold grave concerns this can be turned around. If after a few seasons at the top level you don't show at least some of these traits, you wont make it - players within out definitely don't make it in teams that go deep in Sept. It's as simple as that.
Therefore one thing I'm rapt with SOS work in the last few trade periods is we have a young midfield group of players that have this trait - Cripps, Dow, Walsh, Setterfield, Fisher and I would even throw in SPS and Cunningham.
We haven't had a midfield group with this sort of depth for decades! They are still young, will get better so wait till you get 40-50 games into the youngest of that group and watch out. It's within this group that you will see the wins coming from its where our biggest growth will come from IMO.
We had quite a few players that look good in traffic on Thursday night, calm aware and not panicking, but it is only JLT.
I thought our tackling was better, but I thought our shrugging of tackles or freeing our arms was still poor compared to better stoppage sides. Compared to many teams we just allow ourselves to be tackled.
When teamed up with Cripps, you have a great 1-2 punch.
Agreed - also - Cripps to Fisher was a real feature of the game. They are good mates I think and the way they played the other night was just about joined at the hip. Fisher will be good for 10 pos per game straight off Cripps.
What I got out of this match was that Essendon still don't have enough players who go in and get the ball. When they get the ball they were devastating, but I have a feeling that their players' mindset is one of receiving the ball rather than going in to get it. They have Smith, Shiel, Heppell, McGrath & Tipungwuti who get the ball, but I am not sure it is a team culture to go and win the ball. For two and half quarters we were all over them, when we got out to six goals with eased back due to the heat and because it was only a JLT match, Essendon roared back when the pressure was off and got to within a kick, but the Carlton re-asserted the pressure and kicked the two of the last three goals.
Our pressure round the ball was really good however our cohesion is still lacking. Compared to Essendon, and Hawthorn the week before, our ball movement is not good. We still miss too many targets. Against Hawthorn I thought our ball movement out of defence was too slow, however I thought that only once in the second quarter did we do that sideway kicking and back again, hanging onto the ball and losing ground, then letting the pressure build up, then losing the ball and costing a goal situation which made up most of our defensive game plan last year. So that was an improvement.
It is clear that into the future we have two mid-field superstars in Cripps & Walsh, we have four very good quick mid-fielders in Cuningham, Fisher, Dow & Petrovski-Seaton, three big bodied inside mids in Kennedy, Setterfield and Stocker and we have guys who can run through the mid-field in Gibbons, JSilvagni, O'Brien, Lang, Garlett, Pickett & Polson. It is also clear we have key forwards in McKay, Curnow & McGovern, with back ups in JSilvagni, Kerr & DeKonning, While down back we have Weitering and people like Marchbank, McCreadie and BSilvagni who will need to step up.
I think we will be very dependent on the senior players, Murphy, Simpson, Kreuzer, Jones, Thomas, Curnow, Fasolo, Phillips, Lobe & Casboult standing up when they play this year, but I think the future looks bright.
What I got out of this match was that Essendon still don't have enough players who go in and get the ball. When they get the ball they were devastating, but I have a feeling that their players' mindset is one of receiving the ball rather than going in to get it. They have Smith, Shiel, Heppell, McGrath & Tipungwuti who get the ball, but I am not sure it is a team culture to go and win the ball. For two and half quarters we were all over them, when we got out to six goals with eased back due to the heat and because it was only a JLT match, Essendon roared back when the pressure was off and got to within a kick, but the Carlton re-asserted the pressure and kicked the two of the last three goals.
I agree 100%, we were still too reliant on Cripps winning the inside football and dishing off to a outside runner, if left us very vulnerable when as you stated CheatsFC had everyone in the center contributing evenly.
When Cripps wins the ball it's great, when he doesn't it's awful!
It will be interesting to see the Rnd 1 mix, I'll spit chips if umpires penalise Cripps for high fend offs playing against Dusty! :o
Cripps will always be our star clearance player but I don't think everyone else was horrible and just sat out waiting for Cripps to get it. I thought we beat them comprehensively around the contests especially the clearances. Our rucks do look for Crippa a hell of a lot.
Ess do not have many inside mids though which has been their problem for a long time.
Cripps will always be our star clearance player but I don't think everyone else was horrible and just sat out waiting for Cripps to get it. I thought we beat them comprehensively around the contests especially the clearances. Our rucks do look for Crippa a hell of a lot.
Ess do not have many inside mids though which has been their problem for a long time.
The more we get the likes of Setterfield, Kennedy, Dow, SPS, Fisher and Walsh in the middle this season and Cripps out, the better we will be long term.
These guys have to learn to win their own ball without Cripps constantly dishing it out to them.
The more we get the likes of Setterfield, Kennedy, Dow, SPS, Fisher and Walsh in the middle this season and Cripps out, the better we will be long term.
These guys have to learn to win their own ball without Cripps constantly dishing it out to them.
Yes I agree 100%, it'll be interesting to see how BB gets improvement out of them.
The more we get the likes of Setterfield, Kennedy, Dow, SPS, Fisher and Walsh in the middle this season and Cripps out, the better we will be long term.
These guys have to learn to win their own ball without Cripps constantly dishing it out to them.
JH, out where? Why would you play the best clearance player in the comp anywhere other than in the middle? I don't think the others need Cripps to not be there in order to learn.
JH, out where? Why would you play the best clearance player in the comp anywhere other than in the middle? I don't think the others need Cripps to not be there in order to learn.
The reason is to spread the load, and be less predictable.
We don't need Cripps bashed into submission over the next 3 years
It is the same reason that as good as Tony Lockett was, he never played in a premiership.
Nor did Garry Ablett.
The Hawks lost Buddy but to everyone's amazement probably improved their total forward line because they were less predictable.
I am not suggesting he doesn't play there at all, just more time out of the middle so others grown and flourish.
The reason is to spread the load, and be less predictable.
We don't need Cripps bashed into submission over the next 3 years
It is the same reason that as good as Tony Lockett was, he never played in a premiership.
Nor did Garry Ablett.
The Hawks lost Buddy but to everyone's amazement probably improved their total forward line because they were less predictable.
I am not suggesting he doesn't play there at all, just more time out of the middle so others grown and flourish.
I concur, variety is the spice of life, if you eat the world's best curry everyday it soon loses it's appeal.
Running Cripps into the ground won't just be a long term physical issue, it'll become a mental issue as well.
Let's set Cripps up to be a 10 year captain, not retiring or being traded in 5 years, hopefully but not repeating the errors that saw Judd run himself into the ground. I want Cripps retiring in a decade from now with three flags to his name together with Carlton and AFL Legend status in the bag.
"If" he stays physically and mentally fresh he will continue to improve for the next five years! :o
The reason is to spread the load, and be less predictable.
We don't need Cripps bashed into submission over the next 3 years
It is the same reason that as good as Tony Lockett was, he never played in a premiership.
Nor did Garry Ablett.
The Hawks lost Buddy but to everyone's amazement probably improved their total forward line because they were less predictable.
I am not suggesting he doesn't play there at all, just more time out of the middle so others grown and flourish.
Fair call, JH. Apologies - misunderstood your suggestion.
As good as Cripps is at getting the ball he's only going to be properly destructive if he's got a fast skillful player to dish it out to. Fisher and Walsh in particular.
I like the thought but there is zero chance of BB significantly reducing Cripps presence at the contest- especially centre clearances with the 6-6-6 rule.
I think Cripps will get a chop out vs the lesser teams with less heavy duty midfields when we are going ok but I think vs the better midfields he will play his usual midfield role minutes....
Bolton is playing for keeps this season and his job is on the line IMO and he wont want to be getting too cute and resting his gun mid/captain unless we are going very well in games....
As good as Cripps is at getting the ball he's only going to be properly destructive if he's got a fast skillful player to dish it out to. Fisher and Walsh in particular.
I like the thought but there is zero chance of BB significantly reducing Cripps presence at the contest- especially centre clearances with the 6-6-6 rule.
Yes, Cripps will have far more time and space than he's ever had before. He will probably be left where he is to make most use of it.
I think Cripps will get a chop out vs the lesser teams with less heavy duty midfields when we are going ok but I think vs the better midfields he will play his usual midfield role minutes....
Bolton is playing for keeps this season and his job is on the line IMO and he wont want to be getting too cute and resting his gun mid/captain unless we are going very well in games....
Agreed
Nice 16 minute overview..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Qzr_xJm3tc
Nice 16 minute overview..
What did you think of McGovern's game?
I thought without having a major influence, in that he didn't complete a number of possessions and often flew against team-mates, his running pattern and effect on our F50 structure was immediately evident. In terms of effort and effectiveness I couldn't really split McGovern and SoJ, they had a similar effectiveness but it's obvious McGovern has a presence that demands opposition respect.
Hopefully by the time Thursday night comes around he'll be fine tuned and ready to go, those fumbled or incomplete marks and frantic attempts will become conversions and assists.
What did you think of McGovern's game?
I thought without having a major influence, in that he didn't complete a number of possessions and often flew against team-mates, his running pattern and effect on our F50 structure was immediately evident. In terms of effort and effectiveness I couldbn't really split McGovern and SoJ, they had a similar effectiveness.
Hopefully by the time Thursday night comes around he'll be fine tuned and ready to go, those fumbled or incomplete marks and frantic attempts will become conversions and assists.
He looked rusty and not in the same nick as his teammates to me. Two goals from two kicks isn’t a bad start though :)
There were signs of synergy between McGovern and Charlie and that’s promising. It will be interesting to see how he progresses in the next game.
He looked rusty and not in the same nick as his teammates to me. Two goals from two kicks isn’t a bad start though :)
There were signs of synergy between McGovern and Charlie and that’s promising. It will be interesting to see how he progresses in the next game.
Yes, I agree, he looked desperate to get his hands on the footy which isn't a bad thing but he struggled to actually complete those attempts. It was obvious to me the attention he draws from the opposition. Not a bad two possession part game, perhaps as good as you can get! :o
It will be interesting to see if he has the fitness come Rnd 1.
Yes, I agree, he looked desperate to get his hands on the footy which isn't a bad thing but he struggled to actually complete those attempts. It was obvious to me the attention he draws from the opposition. Not a bad two possession part game, perhaps as good as you can get! :o
It will be interesting to see if he has the fitness come Rnd 1.
I think the Terrier will have him cherry ripe for Round 1.
I think the Terrier will have him cherry ripe for Round 1.
Yep. His attitude/endeavour was first rate. You can already see the Terrier's influence on our list... and there's much to be liked.
Yep. His attitude/endeavour was first rate. You can already see the Terrier's influence on our list... and there's much to be liked.
here, here.