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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 6 2024 Post Game Review Carlton vs GWS
Last post by DJC -
One or two games of stats won't make a big difference to overall stats, but after a couple of games the umpiring effectively forced TDK into changing his technique when there wasn't anything actually wrong with it. All because of Scott whinging.

We had plenty of debate about this at the time, and the influence of our ruck coaches, surely you remember.

Think back to the Geelong game last season.  De Koning hurt Stanley with a fairly crude knee to the ribs.  De Koning was slapped with a $3,000 fine and Scott did complain about Stanley's injury in his post game presser.  We appealed and Tom was exonerated.  In the games following, De Koning's free kicks against were 1, 0, 1, 3, 5, 3, 0 ...  The five frees came in the Essendon game where the umpires favoured Essendon with 32 frees to 18.  The frees paid against De Koning were all in general play; two for in the back and one for chopping the arms in marking contests, one for high contact and one for holding the man.  In fact, it is very clear that the umpires did not adjudicate De Koning's ruck contests any differently than they did before the Geelong game

De Koning's technique may have changed marginally in that he is not so blatant when he targets the opposition rucks.  However, it's still the same technique, just more effective than it was.

Chris Scott has nowhere near the influence that you credit him with.  On the other hand, I suspect the AFL listens carefully to comments and suggestions from Princes Park.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 6 2024 Post Game Review Carlton vs GWS
Last post by ElwoodBlues1 -
Geelong have traveled 3 times already this year, played in the rain last week, are very conscious of overloading their aging players (Hawkins rested recently) and have played Saints, Adelaide, Hawthorn, Bullies, North and Brisbane.

Have they REALLY been put to the sword, especially away from their paddock??  A similar situation to GWS last week, they have the wins....but against who??  They are ripe for the picking!!

Agree...they have beaten nothing but they will be harder to beat in the coming weeks when they get a few of their regulars back like Guthrie, Rohan and Stewart and even though we are a bit undermanned injury wise its nothing we cant cover and I rate our midfield as superior and expect to beat the Cats this weekend and consolidate our position in the top 4.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 6 2024 Post Game Review Carlton vs GWS
Last post by townsendcalling -
Geelong have traveled 3 times already this year, played in the rain last week, are very conscious of overloading their aging players (Hawkins rested recently) and have played Saints, Adelaide, Hawthorn, Bullies, North and Brisbane.

Have they REALLY been put to the sword, especially away from their paddock??  A similar situation to GWS last week, they have the wins....but against who??  They are ripe for the picking!!
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong at the MCG
Last post by DJC -
Don't mind replacing Fantasia, but Moir is still a fair way off. He will be given plenty of time to develop before being paraded out a la Binns. With one or two exceptions, we are right into development and ensuring young players have served a comprehensive apprenticeship.

Yes, there's plenty of time for Moir, Binns, Monahan, O'Keeffe, Lemmey, etc.  We're not in the position where we have to expose our "green shoots" to the harshness of AFL footy before they have toughened up.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 6 2024 Post Game Review Carlton vs GWS
Last post by Lods -
Think we need to cool the jets on the idea we can play 2 rucks most weeks.
Pitto  had his best game for the club and contributed around the ground which is out of the box for him as he is generally only effective as a bullocking tap ruckman and does sfa around the game. Last week was the perfect game but its one out of how many?

TDK was ultra effective as a forward and snagged 3 and should have had 4.

My point is both played blinders and the game was on a dry track. Wont work every week and personally i prefer going in with the one tall in TDK.

Ideally I hope last week becomes a regular occurrence as its so difficult for the opposition to play against it but i need to see it as good as last week again and again before im convinced.

I think we've probably reached the stage where we aren't necessarily committed to either option (one ruck/ or two)
Voss said as much in his post match conference.

Some weeks we may go with one.
Other weeks we may go with two.
Some weeks either option will work.
Other weeks the opposition may find a way to negate any advantage an option provides
I'm sure the Geelong brains trust will be having a real good look at it this week.

One point that probably needs to be made is that Cripps is a fan of having Pittonet in the side....and it kind of showed.
Another is that if TDK is the sole ruck it will probably reduce any 'forward' effectiveness he may bring.

This has never been a simple argument because there are variables and pluses and minuses all over the place.
I reckon by the end of the season we'll have a much better idea of how things will work.
What we need to see is both our big men fit and healthy for the duration.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 6 2024 Post Game Review Carlton vs GWS
Last post by shawny -
Think we need to cool the jets on the idea we can play 2 rucks most weeks.
Pitto  had his best game for the club and contributed around the ground which is out of the box for him as he is generally only effective as a bullocking tap ruckman and does sfa around the game. Last week was the perfect game but its one out of how many?

TDK was ultra effective as a forward and snagged 3 and should have had 4.

My point is both played blinders and the game was on a dry track. Wont work every week and personally i prefer going in with the one tall in TDK.

Ideally I hope last week becomes a regular occurrence as its so difficult for the opposition to play against it but i need to see it as good as last week again and again before im convinced.