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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Last post by Baggers -
I confess to being absolutely baffled when it comes to 'holding the man,' 'dropping the ball,' 'incorrect disposal' and 'holding the ball' unless blatantly obvious. Totally confused. It used to be pretty clear cut, but now it seems there are tolerable grey areas for all these which only creates further confusion in an already difficult to adjudicate game. But with these tolerated grey areas you end up with too much individual umpire interpretation. Some times you can watch one game, then another, and swear there were different rules for each! Result? Inconsistency... the continual complaint from supporters.

Just one example: There was a time where if you took possession of the aggot and tackled, and the ball was dislodged - automatic free kick against... regardless.

The AFL needs, on Monday mornings, to explain contentious frees and non-frees to educate us so we can better understand how the game is adjudicated.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Last post by Gointocarlton -
Those frees were garbage.  He gave them away...


Let me kill that argument slightly.

Elliott engages his opponent to push off and create separation. They grab each other. Ump sees it pays a free kick. Watch every single duel and tell me that they aren't all identical.  I watched Rhys Stanley do similar to Max gawn (and arguably worse) and it was play on. 

The subjective nature here is what the problem is.  They ping Williams twice and then don't pay another free like it until mason Cox gets a bit of the same.

That equated to about 3 goals.  There was also the cripps handball paid holding the ball and then the jack crisp "drop" handball that was paid play on.

These things are a frequent occurrence, and I don't really debate the action I debate the consistency.   It's a free in our defensive 50 but you won't find a similar free for essentially the same action in our forward 50.  Why? 

The blocks that occur that take walsh off daicos and at other times cowan off Elliott.

They're not illegal.   Their blokes get on the bike and run around others who are there to hold illegally but no one cares about those holds. 
He put his arms around him, once you do that youre gone.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Last post by Gointocarlton -
who Melbourne or Geelong?  Had Cameron kicked like last week Geelong would have won.


What Melbourne didn't do is attack the ball carrier leaving players free in defensive 50.  They worked backwards to cover options which artificially creates panic and makes players kick longer to a contest.

We didn't change this against Geelong until it was far too late, and paid dearly for it.
Lever and May will just gobble up our bombs into the fwd line.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Last post by Thryleon -
Watching Melbourne against Geelong was an almost better side than when they won the last flag. Hard to find a weak link. If our pressure is just slightly off for a short period and if we continue to bomb long expecting talls to take a mark by chance, we will be given a lesson in how to lose another match.
who Melbourne or Geelong?  Had Cameron kicked like last week Geelong would have won.


What Melbourne didn't do is attack the ball carrier leaving players free in defensive 50.  They worked backwards to cover options which artificially creates panic and makes players kick longer to a contest.

We didn't change this against Geelong until it was far too late, and paid dearly for it.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Last post by Thryleon -
He gave away 2 or 3 frees for holding plain and simple, his opponents had him bluffed. Not a defenders a-hole.
I called out Walsh immediately and will continue to.

Those frees were garbage.  He gave them away...


Let me kill that argument slightly.

Elliott engages his opponent to push off and create separation. They grab each other. Ump sees it pays a free kick. Watch every single duel and tell me that they aren't all identical.  I watched Rhys Stanley do similar to Max gawn (and arguably worse) and it was play on. 

The subjective nature here is what the problem is.  They ping Williams twice and then don't pay another free like it until mason Cox gets a bit of the same.

That equated to about 3 goals.  There was also the cripps handball paid holding the ball and then the jack crisp "drop" handball that was paid play on.

These things are a frequent occurrence, and I don't really debate the action I debate the consistency.   It's a free in our defensive 50 but you won't find a similar free for essentially the same action in our forward 50.  Why? 

The blocks that occur that take walsh off daicos and at other times cowan off Elliott.

They're not illegal.   Their blokes get on the bike and run around others who are there to hold illegally but no one cares about those holds. 
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Last post by Gointocarlton -
Williams coped two umpiring clangers early and fans spent the next four quarters blaming him for everything, he wasn't that bad.

Walsh left Daicos free unchecked in F50 in the critical game ending final moment, and fans are silent!
He gave away 2 or 3 frees for holding plain and simple, his opponents had him bluffed. Not a defenders a-hole.
I called out Walsh immediately and will continue to.