Doesn't seem to be a lot of enthusiasm for a Post Match thread....but we better have one :(
Cripps a star.
Boekhorst looking the goods.
Walker may still have a future at Carlton if played forward.
A 20 game player is our 'Role Model' ::)
get rid of Tutt, I get nervous every time he has the ball, Watson I don't know why we bothered, Whiley has no awareness and Yarran can f***k off now, hope we can nail to guys that actually want to stay and contribute and then look to rebuild as I fear I will be dead before CFC are at least relevant again!
A tale of 2 halves. In the first we were competitive. In the 2nd we weren't. But 30 possessions from Cripps isn't bad. There were a few others who could hold their heads up high. But not enough from not enough players.
Cripps a star.
Boekhorst looking the goods.
Walker may still have a future at Carlton if played forward.
Haven't seen any of the game Carrots, just looking at the stats.....BB only had 9 disposals??? I find it hard to get exited by that unless they were like a Cyril 9 Possie game :))
More what he does with the ball and also his pressure. I reckon he will make a player.
He did a few nice things in the first half but like a lot of others disappeared completely after half time.
But I agree with Carrots...he'll be a regular next year.
Cripps a star.
Boekhorst looking the goods.
Walker may still have a future at Carlton if played forward.
He looks good when he has it but he only had 9 touches. Thought he had more.
I'm absolutely livid with Henderson and Yarran. You are paid to compete whether you want to be there or not. It is absolutely disgusting and Barker should've given Yarran the spray of his life today. Not only have they made us play 1-2 men down all year, they're destroying any trade currency they had. I am furious.
Great rebuild we have coming up with picks in the 30s in a shallow draft.
meh
I see no problem in gutting 40 off the list and start afresh
We just handed GWS the biggest win in their short history, hot on the heels of the record loss against Hawthorn. I know we had a number of significant outs today, but gee this is becoming unbearable. I really wish we could forfeit next week.
It was pretty clear we played better without henderson and yarran last week.
Another quality post mozzie, run off to your mates on bomberblitz.
I consider myself a realist, which others take as negative, but I reckon we are better than results indicate and there are some players with futures amongst the hacks, no hopers and blokes that won't compete.
Another quality post mozzie, run off to your mates on bomberblitz.
I consider myself a realist, which others take as negative, but I reckon we are better than results indicate and there are some players with futures amongst the hacks, no hopers and blokes that won't compete.
that leaves you with 4 players at best
Another quality post mozzie, run off to your mates on bomberblitz.
I consider myself a realist, which others take as negative, but I reckon we are better than results indicate and there are some players with futures amongst the hacks, no hopers and blokes that won't compete.
Come on....our club has been crap for a generation.....stop being emotionally attached to this list....they are worst list we have had...dont shoot the messenger....parkin agrees with me
that leaves you with 4 players at best
Cripps docherty bell keep
Not entirely unexpected but the second half especially was almost unbearable to watch. Dreading next week as I will be a guest in the members with aHawks supporting mate. Why did I accept that invitation?
The next few years are going to be very painful, we've simply got too many players who can't kick the ball and we can't replace them in a year or two, or even three.
As for today Cripps and Bell were the standouts but our skills were so poor we couldn't possibly match a half decent side away from Melbourne.
I think today was the end of the line for Watson, he was a non event and he's had enough chances now, the sad thing is that he's one of the very we have who can actually kick reliably.
Yarran, what do you say?
The most skilful and exhilarating player at the club who clearly doesn't want to be there, I'm at a loss to know what went so wrong between him and the club in the last 12 months but whatever it was he's no use to us like he is.
I shudder to think what Hawthorn will do to us next week.
No point judging players on today or next weeks games.....objectives are not normal and the team we are fielding is out of its depth vs anyone half decent.
Cripps was good again, Docherty just ok, Buckley showed some dash....Boekhorst didnt impress me today like he did last week but like I said you cant judge players on todays non event...he doesnt chase very well and its all about being offensive for him at the moment and its an area of his game that Bolton needs to fix.
Seasons end cant come quick enough for players and supporters...roll on trade week and the draft........
Got to try to find positives. I find it hard to tell when you're not at the ground, but apart from Cripps, I was impressed again by Kade Simpson today. Great team player, keeps putting himself in the right places, often at his own peril. Really hope he sticks around for the next couple of years while we're teaching a bunch of young kids how to play football
Got to try to find positives. I find it hard to tell when you're not at the ground, but apart from Cripps, I was impressed again by Kade Simpson today. Great team player, keeps putting himself in the right places, often at his own peril. Really hope he sticks around for the next couple of years while we're teaching a bunch of young kids how to play football
I thought by Simmo's standard he was a little down today, but no matter. In the context of the last decade, he is an out and out CFC legend. Love him to bits.
It was pretty clear we played better without henderson and yarran last week.
Spot on.
You cannot be competitive in today's AFL without at least 18 goers on the field and some capable interchange players.
Yarran and Menzel have talent but put on a good impression of the invisible man when called upon to apply any defensive pressure. Watson used to do a similarly good impression but now he tries hard enough to be seen on the screen and I wish I couldn't see him.
Even among the triers, too many are simply too slow to get to contests to apply pressure - e.g. Dick, Walsh, Whiley and Ellard (just to name a few) and Boekhorst only shows speed when he has the ball - when he (supposedly) chases an opponent, he runs like he is wearing lead boots - he does have some talent but, unless someone teaches him how to chase, he will be a liability in future teams.
Whose parking spot did Holman park in to for him not be selected for this game?
What a bad game, unwatchable even with the sound down.
Walsh has a good size with some nous, could be OK with some endurance.
Whiley is small and slow and stupid. Will not make it.
Watson and Tutt are just bad.
Barker baked them at 3/4, to no effect. Dead duck coach, dead duck game.
Cripps is a modern day Diesel.
Go Baggers!
Missed chunks of the game due to kids breakfast and hawthorn match but hardly inspired to watch the whole thing.
From what I saw, Cripps did his thing which is just so impressive for a fellow in just his second year. Bell and curnow kept going and competing and it trailed off after that. I agree that Boekhorst will be a player, and his decision making is good, but he is only in his first year.
For those wanting to gut the list and draft draft draft, it is important to realise that such an option is destructive and leaves a lot in the hands of the gods. There is massive potential improvement in many players we have running around. Skills and decision making must and will improve. If the story that it has taken 4 years for Casboult to get a dedicated kicking coach are true then it is likely that the coaching and development at the club has been nothing short of deplorable. Get this addressed, and players kicking better and we will improve. I just dont accept that most players cant significantly improve their skills through practice.
Given it is the second last round in a terrible year the poor standards are understandable, if not excusable.
Missed chunks of the game due to kids breakfast and hawthorn match but hardly inspired to watch the whole thing.
From what I saw, Cripps did his thing which is just so impressive for a fellow in just his second year. Bell and curnow kept going and competing and it trailed off after that. I agree that Boekhorst will be a player, and his decision making is good, but he is only in his first year.
For those wanting to gut the list and draft draft draft, it is important to realise that such an option is destructive and leaves a lot in the hands of the gods. There is massive potential improvement in many players we have running around. Skills and decision making must and will improve. If the story that it has taken 4 years for Casboult to get a dedicated kicking coach are true then it is likely that the coaching and development at the club has been nothing short of deplorable. Get this addressed, and players kicking better and we will improve. I just dont accept that most players cant significantly improve their skills through practice.
Given it is the second last round in a terrible year the poor standards are understandable, if not excusable.
The issue is not skill execution per se. The issue is skill execution under pressure in match conditions, which is the only time that skill execution really matters. Walks has said that at training their skills are great - everything is executed perfectly, and he can't understand why it falls apart on game day. These guys spend as much time training as every other team in the comp (at least I hope so). We have first round picks. We have players that can put it together at training, but not in a match. I've already given my theory, so I won't repeat it here.
Had 26 players to choose from this week apparently. No wonder Watto got a go.
It was pretty clear we played better without henderson and yarran last week.
The way Yazz looked sitting on the bench, I'd say he's played with last game with us. I don't know what is going on in his head, but playing footy isn't it.
Hendo is gone and if Geelong keep losing, we might actually get a decent pick for him.
Watson is gone, but at least he tried. Ellard may have played his last game for us, especially as he went off.
But for all the doom and gloom, we had 19 unavailable players today, including our Brownlow Medalist, our Captain and last years B & F winner. You take that out of most sides, and they won't play very well either.
The way Yazz looked sitting on the bench, I'd say he's played with last game with us. I don't know what is going on in his head, but playing footy isn't it.
Hendo is gone and if Geelong keep losing, we might actually get a decent pick for him.
Watson is gone, but at least he tried. Ellard may have played his last game for us, especially as he went off.
But for all the doom and gloom, we had 19 unavailable players today, including our Brownlow Medalist, our Captain and last years B & F winner. You take that out of most sides, and they won't play very well either.
I don't know if I want the Cats to keep losing. It brings that first pick up but it also brings pick 30 up. :-\
I don't think Henderson is worth higher than 10. Most are saying he's worth early 20s. Pick 26 for him would be a disaster.
No captain, no experience, no coach, no way!
I'm surprised we didn't lose by 100+. GWS for all their talent, I think the commentators said 12 players picked in the top 15, weren't all that impressive. I think we have players who are worrying about what's going to happen next season rather than on this season.
A new coach and direction will fix some problems, so will getting players back. Add some young talent with drive and a willingness to compete, a new game plan that emphasizes skills, rather than playing the percentages, we will still be bottom 4 but I hope to get more effort than this.
Roll on next season, when we start again.
I don't know if I want the Cats to keep losing. It brings that first pick up but it also brings pick 30 up. :-\
I don't think Henderson is worth higher than 10. Most are saying he's worth early 20s. Pick 26 for him would be a disaster.
We won't accept anything less than a 1st rounder. He might end up somewhere else than Geelong. There are suitors that interest us and have picks we want. If Geelong want him, then they need to ante up. It is that simple. Hendo said he didn't know where he will be playing next year: now Geelong don't either.
So, when do we get to see a decent game again? That was painful, we should forfeit next week and put everyone out of their misery.
Geelong either come up with a first rounder or hendo goes elsewhere.
Run Brendon, run. Run away NOW. And don't look back.
I thought by Simmo's standard he was a little down today, but no matter. In the context of the last decade, he is an out and out CFC legend. Love him to bits.
I thought he was out and out cr@p. Sure, courageous. Sure, gets a lot of the ball. But what's the point?
Jamison -> Docherty -> Simpson -> opposition -> goal
Rowe -> Tuohy -> Simpson -> opposition -> goal
loose ball -> Simpson -> opposition -> goal
intercept -> Simpson -> opposition -> goal
Run Brendon, run. Run away NOW. And don't look back.
I wouldn't blame him if he did. I watched the facial expressions on SOS and Brendon in the crowd and they looked more than just a little concerned. They looked like WTF is wrong with this side and where do we have to start.
The 2 biggest winning margins for the GWS is against us. Really ?
Did anyone else think it was like watching a VFL match that was put on at a ground with a stadium? :))
Haven't seen any of the game Carrots, just looking at the stats.....BB only had 9 disposals??? I find it hard to get exited by that unless they were like a Cyril 9 Possie game :))
1 goal (=1st for us)
1 goal assist (=1st)
3 inside 50's (=3rd)
5 1%ers (=1st)
He played like a player who belonged.
1 bit of play saw him basically 1 on 2 who were playing keepings off from him. 2 attempts at tackling back to back, then got a smother which forced the ball over the line. Add in a couple of sprints away from a stoppage and you see a lot to get excited about.
He didn't have a lot to beat today in terms of teammates efforts, but he showed plenty by comparison
I watched the game mainly to see how Walsh went.
i like him and reckon he's got potential.
other than that, there is nothing to say except as i said in the in game thread welcome Weiterling!!!
I thought he was out and out cr@p. Sure, courageous. Sure, gets a lot of the ball. But what's the point?
Jamison -> Docherty -> Simpson -> opposition -> goal
Rowe -> Tuohy -> Simpson -> opposition -> goal
loose ball -> Simpson -> opposition -> goal
intercept -> Simpson -> opposition -> goal
Agree make the call and trade/ delist simpson and.jamison. ...enough is enough. ..
Something about babies and bath water...
I thought he was out and out cr@p. Sure, courageous. Sure, gets a lot of the ball. But what's the point?
Jamison -> Docherty -> Simpson -> opposition -> goal
Rowe -> Tuohy -> Simpson -> opposition -> goal
loose ball -> Simpson -> opposition -> goal
intercept -> Simpson -> opposition -> goal
Clearly not one of his best games, but he's been good for us this year, and indeed for many years.
I wouldn't blame him if he did. I watched the facial expressions on SOS and Brendon in the crowd and they looked more than just a little concerned. They looked like WTF is wrong with this side and where do we have to start.
The 2 biggest winning margins for the GWS is against us. Really ?
They need to start between the ears.
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2015-08-29/postmatch-barker-rd22
"I'd prefer not to talk about the guys that aren't giving us effort because they're writing their own destinies at the moment."
Interim coach John Barker didn't hold back in his post-match press conference.
Yarran is an obvious one but the coaching staff have clearly identified others. That's a good step towards the clean out we're going to have.
Yarran is an obvious one but the coaching staff have clearly identified others. That's a good step towards the clean out we're going to have.
I reckon Watson would be included in that too.
He's basically saying that we are playing blokes who don't deserve a game because we have nobody else to play.
Yarran is an obvious one but the coaching staff have clearly identified others. That's a good step towards the clean out we're going to have.
Yep
Watson would be one
From that presser I think Menzel is on shaky ground.
Sounds like Docherty will miss next week (surgery)
We did well to keep the loss to 81 points with a bloke ko'd and at least a couple of sand bags.
We did well to keep the loss to 81 points with a bloke ko'd and at least a couple of sand bags.
Against a team missing their #1 ruckman, their #1 mid (scully?) and losing griffen early.
What did we think of Plowman and Palmer....?
We have been without Judd, Thomas, Carrazzo, Casboult, Henderson, Murphy and Gibbs also which doesn't help. Not making excuses though. We had more players that impact a game missing than GWS did.
We have been without Judd, Thomas, Carrazzo, Casboult, Henderson, Murphy and Gibbs also which doesn't help. Not making excuses though. We had more players that impact a game missing than GWS did.
Judd retired...carotts retired thomas dud henderson left club ....
What did we think of Plowman and Palmer....?
What we did on the park today would have made Jones look like a superstar in the other team. Hard to measure Elwood. They did well but our defence didn't exist. How many tackles did we lay today ?
Yarran is an obvious one but the coaching staff have clearly identified others. That's a good step towards the clean out we're going to have.
Gets dropped to the 2s and comes back with 5 Disposals, 2 Marks 2 tackles, thats just taking the piss as far as Im concerned. Has probably already struck a deal with another club who have told him to lie down to lower his worth.
Judd retired...carotts retired thomas dud henderson left club ....
The argument still stands. They are still our players and haven't been replaced yet. They would be in our best 22 and are still being paid. The only difference between them and Murphy, and Gibbs is that we know their future isn't with us. We don't know for sure that that isn't the case with Murphy and Gibbs either.
The fact is we're missing Judd, Murphy, Carrazzo, Gibbs, Henderson, Thomas, Graham, Casboult, Armfield and White from our best 22. It's not an excuse for lack of effort but it's the reason we have so many spuds out there. We're essentially fielding a VFL team aside from Cripps, Kreuzer, Walker, Everitt, Jamison, Docherty, Buckley and Tuohy (and some of those are questionable)
Thank you MilkIt. You saved me from saying it myself. We are missing half of our regular starters in the squad.
Run Brendon, run. Run away NOW. And don't look back.
He did seem to have that "what the hell have I got myself into" look...... :o
SOS didn't look too rapt either.
Thank you MilkIt. You saved me from saying it myself. We are missing half of our regular starters in the squad.
That is a bottom 2 side..
He did seem to have that "what the hell have I got myself into" look...... :o
SOS didn't look too rapt either.
I would've thought Ratts told him everything he needed to know. Either Bolton decided to ignore all that, or Ratts stitched him up good and proper.
What did we think of Plowman and Palmer....?
I would look good playing against our mob, and I'm 33 and haven't run more than 100 metres in months.
bolton had a look, similar to the next morning of an awful sort
We won't accept anything less than a 1st rounder. He might end up somewhere else than Geelong. There are suitors that interest us and have picks we want. If Geelong want him, then they need to ante up. It is that simple. Hendo said he didn't know where he will be playing next year: now Geelong don't either.
Exactly, well put, Captain. If the PUssy Cats don't want to part with a 1s rounder for Hendo, there are others who will. He's a very good tall defender and many know it as they know his head wasn't on the game this year, hence his indifferent form.
What happens when no team wants to pay a top price for him. Will he beg to get back to our club ? He isn't as good as he thinks and he will have to work extra hard at better clubs to even get a game. He got a free ride with us for way too long.
So next week we face Hawthorn to end the season and they've just come off smashing Brisbane by 72 points following a slow start.
Our only hope to avoid setting yet another 'record' is that West Coast beat the crows today. Hawthorn won't be able to snatch 2nd place and it will be pretty much impossible for them to drop to 4th due to there huge percentage (even if by some miracle we won). So there's a chance they'll rest key players ahead of a trip to perth for the first week of the finals.
Exactly, well put, Captain. If the PUssy Cats don't want to part with a 1s rounder for Hendo, there are others who will. He's a very good tall defender and many know it as they know his head wasn't on the game this year, hence his indifferent form.
He's never really won a game off his own boot though. Just a solid player but not A-grade. Hopefully the Cats are delusional enough to give up pick #7.
He's never really won a game off his own boot though. Just a solid player but not A-grade. Hopefully the Cats are delusional enough to give up pick #7.
Agree. So far Hendo has only shown himself to be an avearge footslogger at best, far from an onfield general and leader IMO.
with the Cats poor showing recently this might bring up there value of Hendo, pick 7 would be awesome , heres hoping. Have a bad feeling we never saw the best of Hendo in the last 1-2 yrs though
I would've thought Ratts told him everything he needed to know. Either Bolton decided to ignore all that, or Ratts stitched him up good and proper.
You don't turn down a senior gig, they are few and far between and you quickly lose the taste of flavour of the month.
Better to come up short than never try.
I love the way so many on here are trying to make out that Bolton is now regretting taking the job and is shocked by what he saw. We had 26 players to chose from and played like it. Cripps and Kreuzer were possibly the only 2 players in our top 10 that were playing.
I'd wager plenty on the fact that he's champing at the bit to get his hands on the list and move it in the right direction.
I love the way so many on here are trying to make out that Bolton is now regretting taking the job and is shocked by what he saw. We had 26 players to chose from and played like it. Cripps and Kreuzer were possibly the only 2 players in our top 10 that were playing.
I'd wager plenty on the fact that he's champing at the bit to get his hands on the list and move it in the right direction.
Geez you'd hope so... ????
Agree. So far Hendo has only shown himself to be an avearge footslogger at best, far from an onfield general and leader IMO.
Sometimes i wonder how much worse a player looks when he is playing in a $hit side, like us.
There was quite a few people who used to have a crack at Kennedy back in the day saying he would never amount to much. Put him in a good side and look what happens. Hendo is a lot better than what we have seen of late....we will see this when he ends up wearing different colours.
Sometimes i wonder how much worse a player looks when he is playing in a $hit side, like us.
There was quite a few people who used to have a crack at Kennedy back in the day saying he would never amount to much. Put him in a good side and look what happens. Hendo is a lot better than what we have seen of late....we will see this when he ends up wearing different colours.
Players choose how much effort they make, Barker has been stating this week after week, they write their own destiny!
I love the way so many on here are trying to make out that Bolton is now regretting taking the job and is shocked by what he saw. We had 26 players to chose from and played like it. Cripps and Kreuzer were possibly the only 2 players in our top 10 that were playing.
I'd wager plenty on the fact that he's champing at the bit to get his hands on the list and move it in the right direction.
next time we play GWS we will have about 10 different guys playing.
Players choose how much effort they make, Barker has been stating this week after week, they write their own destiny!
I've got no issue with this, and have defended the selection of Ellard on numerous occasions because "at least he brings effort".
However, everyone has their breaking point. There is only so many times you can lead and get the ball kicked over your head or to the advantage of the opposition before it gets to you. There is only so many times that you can get thumped by 10 goals before you lose your enthusiasm and 'bounce in your step' that you might've had otherwise.
I'm not saying i accept it, but i understand it.
Players are not enjoying their football, that is clear for all to see.
Cripps and Kreuzer were possibly the only 2 players in our top 10 that were playing.
I think you are overestimating the strength of our list.
I'll grant you Murphy+Gibbs....then it gets tricky.
Throw in Judd if you want, but he's gone. Ditto Carrazzo.
Thomas?
Casboult?
I reckon Simpson and Docherty are clearly top 10.
You can argue all day about the rest, Jamo? Yazz? Menzel? Tuohy? Everitt? White?
I think we had a much stronger list than we would like to admit.
They had more players out than simply their best ruck, mid and losing griffen as well. No Patton as well is a big hole to fill.
Their seconds side could probably beat us unfortunately.
I love the way so many on here are trying to make out that Bolton is now regretting taking the job and is shocked by what he saw. We had 26 players to chose from and played like it. Cripps and Kreuzer were possibly the only 2 players in our top 10 that were playing.
I'd wager plenty on the fact that he's champing at the bit to get his hands on the list and move it in the right direction.
I think there's a bit of tongue in cheek involved! ;)
Players choose how much effort they make, Barker has been stating this week after week, they write their own destiny!
And he was particularly blunt about it this week. If that doesn't get through a few heads, well, they won't be there in 2016 to worry about it.
Cripps and Kreuzer were possibly the only 2 players in our top 10 that were playing.
Jamison, Simpson and Bell are definitely in our top 10, probably Tuohy and Curnow as well and Yarran for certain until his form slump.
Thomas, Gibbs, Murphy and Carrazzo were missing which leaves 6 who weren't.
We have been without Judd, Thomas, Carrazzo, Casboult, Henderson, Murphy and Gibbs also which doesn't help. Not making excuses though. We had more players that impact a game missing than GWS did.
Further, this reduces on field leadership/skill, increasing responsibility for the few seniors. In turn, the likes of Walsh & co. have to hit the ground running prematurely. Given all the outs and off field struggles, I think they did as well as could be expected. This is not to say there weren't some passengers - we all spotted them. Of course, those blokes will no doubt soon be part of the history book.
Of course, those blokes will no doubt soon be part of the history book.
True, but effort alone isn't enough.
Tutt and Dick gave it everything they had yesterday but their foot skills are awful, do we retain them and keep playing them because they have a red hot crack?
True, but effort alone isn't enough.
Tutt and Dick gave it everything they had yesterday but their foot skills are awful, do we retain them and keep playing them because they have a red hot crack?
Not that i was clear, but my reference was more to the younger players whom would ideally be soundly mentored.
Agree - the club needs to make the tough call on those blokes who've had development opportunities, but not produced the goods. A 'healthy' team can probably accomadate some players who's strenght is 'guts not glam'. Clearly there's a balance required and at present we're weighed down (injury and talent), creating vulnerability that talented GWS capitalised on.
There's a whole discussion then on 'development of players'...
Jamison, Simpson and Bell are definitely in our top 10, probably Tuohy and Curnow as well and Yarran for certain until his form slump.
Thomas, Gibbs, Murphy and Carrazzo were missing which leaves 6 who weren't.
I would have thought that Judd, Gibbs, Murphy, Yarran, Henderson, Carrazzo and Thomas would be considered to be top 10 players for us at the start of the year. That's 7 players and apart from Cripps probably our next best 7. Yarran was out there but in name only. Thomas as the highest paid player on the list.
Like I said, 26 players to choose from and probably 8 of our best 10 or 11 missing. Not all doom and gloom.
Yes thats true, our current results are not a true indication, but next year out of that list Judd , Hendo , most proberly Yaz & Carrots wont be there and Daisy is still questionable. Jammo show signs of age. Bell who knows depending on which thread you read. So unless we do get an influx of talent & committment , there still is a lack of in's for our current side to make us competitive
I would have thought that Judd, Gibbs, Murphy, Yarran, Henderson, Carrazzo and Thomas would be considered to be top 10 players for us at the start of the year. That's 7 players and apart from Cripps probably our next best 7. Yarran was out there but in name only. Thomas as the highest paid player on the list.
Like I said, 26 players to choose from and probably 8 of our best 10 or 11 missing. Not all doom and gloom.
Of the players you named only Murphy, Gibbs and Thomas will definitely be playing in round one next season.
The outlook is far from rosie, we have a major skills deficit that won't be overcome by adding three or four players, and we have no KPP's.
I truly wish I shared your optimism, but 4 wins for the season tells its own story IMO.
We need to get young talent into the club to complement the future in Cripps, Buckley, Graham and Docherty. We are about to do that in a big way. Not to mention the recruitment of SOS and Rice. Things can turn around very quickly.
We need to get young talent into the club to complement the future in Cripps, Buckley, Graham and Docherty. We are about to do that in a big way. Not to mention the recruitment of SOS and Rice. Things can turn around very quickly.
I hope so but I have my doubts, Carlton has disappointed me too often in the last 15 years.
The great Geelong side of 8 or 10 years ago had a group of a dozen or so top quality players all around the same age who came through together, so did the Brisbane side which won three of four.
I can't see the same happening at Carlton.
We could become competitive within three or four years but I don't see a Premiership on the horizon, we've just made too many poor recruiting decisions over the last 10 years.
For experience we have:
Murphy
Gibbs
Kreuzer
Tuohy
Casboult
To grow together we have:
Cripps
Buckley
Graham
Docherty
Boekhorst
Yarran (if he stays)
Jaksch
Menzel
Weitering/Scache
SOS
Rice
Plus any other picks we get this year through the Hendo trade and possibly Yarran or Kreuzer as well as what we may get in the next draft and the possibility of a free agent.
It's not as bad as it seems.
For experience we have:
Murphy
Gibbs
Kreuzer
Tuohy
Casboult
To grow together we have:
Cripps
Buckley
Graham
Docherty
Boekhorst
Yarran (if he stays)
Jaksch
Menzel
Weitering/Scache
SOS
Rice
Plus any other picks we get this year through the Hendo trade and possibly Yarran or Kreuzer as well as what we may get in the next draft and the possibility of a free agent.
It's not as bad as it seems.
.....and Giles, Byrne and Sheehan.
Very excited by these three.
Spot on see and there's Walsh as well who Elwood thinks has ability. Also if Dinger Bell stays. We are not that bad.
For experience we have:
Murphy
Gibbs
Kreuzer
Tuohy
Casboult
Add Thomas and Walks, but Jamison and Simpson probably won't be around in three years.
Casboult is a very average footballer.
To grow together we have:
Cripps
Buckley
Graham
Docherty
Boekhorst
Yarran (if he stays)
Jaksch
Menzel
Weitering/Scache
SOS
Rice
Some of whom may not make the grade.
It's not as bad as it seems.
I'll let you know in about round 6 or 7 next year, I'll want to be seeing some positive signs.