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Are we not running out of space to put criminals? Hence why more get released than should.

And it costs a lot of money to keep someone in gaol!

Our justice system is based on the principle of innocent until proven guilty and courts have to be satisfied that there is a good reason to incarcerate someone before their guilt is proven.  I understand that the bloke responsible for the carnage has domestic violence charges pending and, while I would have locked him up and thrown away the key, magistrates have to be more even-handed.

The police couldn't have known what was going to happen earlier in the day when they were trying to apprehend the bloke or even when he was doing donuts outside Flinders Street Station.  However, I remember an incident where two police officers shot a barking Bull Terrier in the back of a ute parked in the CBD several years ago.  There was an outcry, and quite rightly too.  Apart from the lunatic fringe, I suspect that there would have been no outcry if the police had been able to "neutralise" the driver once the threat he posed was realised.  A difficult decision to take and one that I'm glad I have never had to make.

My office is in the CBD blocks away from the scene, suffice to say it was utter pandemonium. Coppers could have done us all a favour and put one between the scum bags eyes.

Exactly !!  - he should have been stopped before this crap happened ...

From Derryn Hinch on Twitter......
I’m told pursuing police had 7 chances to  ram the Bourke Street killer and were denied permission.


The Cops could've stopped him but weren't allowed ?     they were watching him doing circles out front of Flinders st station.. ?

Remember the police don't have the power of hindsight when they make a decision on what action to take in a particular situation.

Attempting to stop a crazed ice addict is never going to be easy - I trust the police to make the correct call.  I am certain they had their reasons why not to try and take him down when doing the burnouts.

Note- Mr hinch aren't you in politics now? Well instead of be critical on the police force why don't you stop talking and try and bloody change the bail laws to stop these nut cases or you could just keep talking like every other politician does in this country.

Yes in hindsight we are all experts I know I know.... It's just fkn heartbreaking for this to happen when it could have been prevented.

Cops in America would have had him locked up ( or dead )  well before it happened... I'm not blaming our cops ( following orders ) but they don't put up with any of that crap over there...

If Hinch had the power to change laws... he would

I think we are looking in the wrong place to stop these sorts of incidents.

The people who are the root cause of these incidents are the issue.  Stop people being douche bags, and people dont need to be injured/killed unnecessarily.

We can blame people for not stopping the action, but to me I think its better to stop the unhinged before they become a problem, be that through better systems, or a better way of life.

I suspect you're on the right track Thry.  More needs to be done to prevent people becoming a threat to themselves, their families and the general public.

I don't know what the answer is but I suspect that it's not expecting troubled or broken people to look after themselves.

DJC couple of things:
1. It probably needs to start in primary school where rules need to be enforced harder and kids be punished when they are broken without interference from meddling parent. Kids need to be taught respect again and instructions from grown ups (teachers, parents, police etc) need to be followed. Also, no means no and kids don't have to be given everything they want.
2. More onus and responsibility needs to be put back onto the parents. These kids running rampant doing whatever they want, when they get busted  breaking the law, impose some sort of a sanction on their parents/guardians as well. It might make them take a little more interest in their kids lives during the formative years.
My missus is a primary school teacher and is extremely disillusioned with systems and methods used these days. Kids just have no respect and when you try to instil some, parents and Principles arc up.

I'm 48 and times have changed blah blah but.....

When I was 7 or 8 around grade 3 or 4... I was hauled up to the principles office for doing the wrong thing (  long time ago I don't know what I did wrong ) along with 3 other boys...  all 4 of us were in with principle... 2 got strapped and screamed and balled there eyes out and me and the other were told it was a warning and if we stuffed up again we would get the same treatment........   I crapped myself and never got in trouble at
school again !!

When I was about 13 I was rude to my mum once too often and my old man gave it to me - not real bad but bad enough............. I crapped myself and was never rude to my mum again !!

When I was 19 or 20 I was in a brawl out the front of my local pub....... A copper grabbed me from behind in a full nelson choking me,  I nearly passed out he then slammed my head into the side of a divvy and threw me in the back............. I crapped myself and have never been in trouble with the police or a fight again!!


The moral of the story... respect your teachers, parents and the police.   I learnt from my lessons.....

Kids these days aren't being taught the right lessons.