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Title: The Last Kingdom
Post by: DJC on January 23, 2016, 05:40:38 pm
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Cookie and I will be hoping this lives up to Bernard Cornwell's novels  :)
Title: Re: The Last Kingdom
Post by: cookie2 on January 23, 2016, 06:20:04 pm
I'm anxiously awaiting its Aus release DJC. Finished reading the last novel released in the series before Christmas.
Title: Re: The Last Kingdom
Post by: DJC on January 23, 2016, 06:39:19 pm
Nothing like a good old shieldwall  :)
Title: Re: The Last Kingdom
Post by: cookie2 on January 23, 2016, 07:35:13 pm
Nothing like a good old shieldwall  :)

Yup, like Saturday night at the Collingwood Social Club.
Title: Re: The Last Kingdom
Post by: Lods on January 23, 2016, 07:36:25 pm
I'm anxiously awaiting its Aus release DJC. Finished reading the last novel released in the series before Christmas.

It's on Aus Netflix or Presto I was watching the first episode then other day.
Good show ;)
Title: Re: The Last Kingdom
Post by: cookie2 on January 23, 2016, 08:08:00 pm
It's on Aus Netflix or Presto I was watching the first episode then other day.
Good show ;)

Thanks Lods, I'll have to restart Netflix.
Title: Re: The Last Kingdom
Post by: DJC on January 23, 2016, 08:35:30 pm
Thanks Lods, I'll have to restart Netflix.

Since Netflix has come up, what's it like?

I have heard that you really need the NBN to make it worthwhile.  Is that true?
Title: Re: The Last Kingdom
Post by: Lods on January 23, 2016, 08:45:49 pm
Since Netflix has come up, what's it like?

I have heard that you really need the NBN to make it worthwhile.  Is that true?

I have the NBN and Telstra TV (good Value)
Subscribing to both Netflix and Presto  at present (SBS on demand is pretty good for movies too BTW)
Just occasionally I get some buffering problems, usually seems to happen during prime time.
I imagine it would be more common on the older system...having said that I haven't noticed a lot of difference.
Certainly uploading videos from the camera is a little quicker but just in general performance not all it's cracked up to be.
Title: Re: The Last Kingdom
Post by: DJC on January 23, 2016, 09:07:40 pm
I have the NBN and Telstra TV (good Value)
Subscribing to both Netflix and Presto  at present (SBS on demand is pretty good for movies too BTW)
Just occasionally I get some buffering problems, usually seems to happen during prime time.
I imagine it would be more common on the older system...having said that I haven't noticed a lot of difference.
Certainly uploading videos from the camera is a little quicker but just in general performance not all it's cracked up to be.

Thanks Lods, I think our internet speeds would be too slow.  I'd hate to have Uhtred's swordplay interrupted by buffering  ::) 
Title: Re: The Last Kingdom
Post by: cookie2 on January 23, 2016, 09:22:09 pm
I used to have a Netflix subscription and generally found the performance to be quite OK, but as it became a lot more popular it did fall away somewhat, with the occasional buffering issues. I'd reckon it would probably be OK when the NBN is implemented, but that is 2 years away in our area. Maybe I'll see if I can get the DVDs?
Title: Re: The Last Kingdom
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 23, 2016, 10:26:44 pm
Thanks Lods, I'll have to restart Netflix.

Just get an Android TV Box with Kobi add ons....
Title: Re: The Last Kingdom
Post by: cookie2 on January 23, 2016, 10:42:25 pm
Just get an Android TV Box with Kobi add ons....

EB I already have an Apple TV with the Netflix app installed. Would an Android device offer more than that?
Title: Re: The Last Kingdom
Post by: LP on January 23, 2016, 10:47:07 pm
EB I already have an Apple TV with the Netflix app installed. Would an Android device offer more than that?

The newest AppleTV (ATV4) is a big step up from the old one, up to 1080p from 720p, it streams movies directly from network drives without extra Apps or Jailbreaking. Worth a look at if you have an older one.

Just be careful though if you own an older widescreen, it may be 1080i and not 1080p, unfortunately Apple decided not to support 1080i.
Title: Re: The Last Kingdom
Post by: cookie2 on January 23, 2016, 10:52:45 pm
The newest AppleTV is a big step up from the old one, up to 1080p from 720p, it streams movies directly from network drives without extra Apps or Jailbreaking. Worth a look at if you have an older one.

Just be careful though if you own an older widescreen, it may be 1080i and not 1080p, unfortunately Apple decided not to support 1080i.

Thanks LP but I would still have the potential network delays. I'm sure the new Apple device is good but I think I'll wait for the NBN before I invest in any more hardware
Title: Re: The Last Kingdom
Post by: LP on January 23, 2016, 11:06:57 pm
Thanks LP but I would still have the potential network delays. I'm sure the new Apple device is good but I think I'll wait for the NBN before I invest in any more hardware

We are well away from the CBD, no NBN and reasonable ADSL2+(12Mbps), but we haven't had too many problems.

Many streaming problems are not related to connection speed but the ability of the modem/router to maximise bandwidth use, I've seen lots a problems caused by the modem/router. I recommend Billion or Cisco, at home we use BiPAC 7800NXL and it resolved many problems caused by having more than 20 devices online at the same time. We just could not get cheaper modem/routers to work, home style units just sucked, so we tried the Small/Medium Business BiPAC unit and it's hard to explain just how much things have improved.

If you use Ethernet I also recommend placing a good quality Gigabit Switch between the modem and the wired network, this makes a big difference if devices like XBox or PS2 are connected by wire.
Title: Re: The Last Kingdom
Post by: DJC on January 23, 2016, 11:30:21 pm
Great information mates!

Mrs DJC loves her movies and I aim to please  :)
Title: Re: The Last Kingdom
Post by: Bear on January 24, 2016, 08:50:55 am
Rarely had a problem with Netflix.

Watched a couple of episodes of this show last night.... meh. Vikings is far superior.

Title: Re: The Last Kingdom
Post by: cookie2 on January 24, 2016, 09:38:30 am
We are well away from the CBD, no NBN and reasonable ADSL2+(12Mbps), but we haven't had too many problems.

Many streaming problems are not related to connection speed but the ability of the modem/router to maximise bandwidth use, I've seen lots a problems caused by the modem/router. I recommend Billion or Cisco, at home we use BiPAC 7800NXL and it resolved many problems caused by having more than 20 devices online at the same time. We just could not get cheaper modem/routers to work, home style units just sucked, so we tried the Small/Medium Business BiPAC unit and it hard to explain just how much things have improved.

If you use Ethernet I also recommend placing a good quality Gigabit Switch between the modem and the wired network, this makes a big difference if devices like XBox or PS2 are connected by wire.

LP I have not tried to formally test my network or system performance but anecdotally it appears to be a load related issue, maybe with one or more of the servers in the total infrastructure picture. My home "network" is very very simple and lightly loaded. I have had buffering issues sometimes with Netflix and with Apple movies during the evening peak viewing time, and I still get the occasional bad patch when just on he internet. I'm guessing the problem is with the provider (Bigpond) and may be just an issue in our area?
Title: Re: The Last Kingdom
Post by: crazyjoedevolamk11 on January 24, 2016, 09:51:28 am
This thread is quite topical to me as I enter the last week of the "Closing Down Sale" of my Video Ezy franchise. If only I'd foreseen how quickly Technology would evolve in the Home Entertainment Industry, I never would have put my arse on the line when I signed up 10 Years ago....ah well....life lesson hard learnt....and next week....FREEDOM from the Ball and Chain ;D
Title: Re: The Last Kingdom
Post by: Bear on January 24, 2016, 10:57:02 am
Onwards and upwards Crazy. Don't think you should blame yourself for that!
Title: Re: The Last Kingdom
Post by: DJC on January 24, 2016, 12:08:32 pm
This thread is quite topical to me as I enter the last week of the "Closing Down Sale" of my Video Ezy franchise. If only I'd foreseen how quickly Technology would evolve in the Home Entertainment Industry, I never would have put my arse on the line when I signed up 10 Years ago....ah well....life lesson hard learnt....and next week....FREEDOM from the Ball and Chain ;D

Good luck with whatever you take on now!
Title: Re: The Last Kingdom
Post by: cookie2 on January 24, 2016, 12:16:56 pm
This thread is quite topical to me as I enter the last week of the "Closing Down Sale" of my Video Ezy franchise. If only I'd foreseen how quickly Technology would evolve in the Home Entertainment Industry, I never would have put my arse on the line when I signed up 10 Years ago....ah well....life lesson hard learnt....and next week....FREEDOM from the Ball and Chain ;D

Mate one door closes another one opens. Best of luck with whatever you decide to do!
Title: Re: The Last Kingdom
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 24, 2016, 01:34:23 pm
Rarely had a problem with Netflix.

Watched a couple of episodes of this show last night.... meh. Vikings is far superior.


Have to agree....The Last Kingdom is very Vikings like with a bit of Games of Thrones thrown in...but not as good and you feel you have seen it before....how many Ragnor's can
you have?
Title: Re: The Last Kingdom
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 24, 2016, 01:35:58 pm
This thread is quite topical to me as I enter the last week of the "Closing Down Sale" of my Video Ezy franchise. If only I'd foreseen how quickly Technology would evolve in the Home Entertainment Industry, I never would have put my arse on the line when I signed up 10 Years ago....ah well....life lesson hard learnt....and next week....FREEDOM from the Ball and Chain ;D

CrazyJ...Sorry to hear you have not done well with the business and good luck with your next venture....
Title: Re: The Last Kingdom
Post by: cookie2 on January 24, 2016, 01:55:49 pm

Have to agree....The Last Kingdom is very Vikings like with a bit of Games of Thrones thrown in...but not as good and you feel you have seen it before....how many Ragnor's can
you have?

I haven't seen GoT or Vikings - just didn't fancy either of them tbh since they seemed like they could be a bit dungeons and dragons to me (I stand to be corrected on this). However I've read all of the books in the Saxon Chronicles series (9 so far) by Bernard Cornwell and that's why I'm keen to see the TV series. I'm really hoping it hasn't been turned into a dungeons and dragons epic too as the books are mainly historical but with some fictionalisation!
Title: Re: The Last Kingdom
Post by: LP on January 24, 2016, 02:26:37 pm
This thread is quite topical to me as I enter the last week of the "Closing Down Sale" of my Video Ezy franchise. If only I'd foreseen how quickly Technology would evolve in the Home Entertainment Industry, I never would have put my arse on the line when I signed up 10 Years ago....ah well....life lesson hard learnt....and next week....FREEDOM from the Ball and Chain ;D

Sorry to hear that, it seems ironic that audio vinyl and cassettes are making a niche comeback but I cannot see the same thing happening with VHS(Too many HD TVs out there now).

I hope your future is bright, good luck with whatever venture you find yourself in next.
Title: Re: The Last Kingdom
Post by: Bear on January 24, 2016, 02:32:54 pm
Vikings is good Cookie... not a dragon in sight. Just a bunch of arse kicking, treasure plundering Norsemen and women.



Title: Re: The Last Kingdom
Post by: cookie2 on January 24, 2016, 02:58:47 pm
Vikings is good Cookie... not a dragon in sight. Just a bunch of arse kicking, treasure plundering Norsemen and women.

May have to give it a try then Bear.  8)
Title: Re: The Last Kingdom
Post by: DJC on January 24, 2016, 06:53:35 pm
Vikings is good Cookie... not a dragon in sight. Just a bunch of arse kicking, treasure plundering Norsemen and women.

Yes Bear, it's a great show and I can't wait for the next series  :)

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Title: Re: The Last Kingdom
Post by: crazyjoedevolamk11 on January 24, 2016, 07:50:09 pm
Thanks for all your well wishes guys, most appreciated  :) Saw the writing on the wall 3 years ago but was locked into Franchisors Contract and couldnt get out without significant Financial payout. Secured Full Time work away from the business then, so future looks good now and I get my nights and weekends back rather than working in the shop....80 hours a week now becomes 40..woo hoo ;)
Title: Re: The Last Kingdom
Post by: PaulP on January 24, 2016, 08:03:54 pm
Thanks for all your well wishes guys, most appreciated  :) Saw the writing on the wall 3 years ago but was locked into Franchisors Contract and couldnt get out without significant Financial payout. Secured Full Time work away from the business then, so future looks good now and I get my nights and weekends back rather than working in the shop....80 hours a week now becomes 40..woo hoo ;)

Good news matey, and best of luck with the future.
Title: Re: The Last Kingdom
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 24, 2016, 11:23:19 pm
Watched a bit more of the Last Kingdom and it has improved...probably lacks that un predictable story line of Game of Thrones but its easy to follow and entertaining...
Title: Re: The Last Kingdom
Post by: Woodstock on January 25, 2016, 07:54:43 am
Watched a bit more of the Last Kingdom and it has improved...probably lacks that un predictable story line of Game of Thrones but its easy to follow and entertaining...

Take a look at The Expanse. Reminds me of Babylon 5 from the 90s. Big budget sci fi TV shows will be the next big thing after Game of Thrones success.
Title: Re: The Last Kingdom
Post by: LP on January 25, 2016, 01:54:10 pm
Take a look at The Expanse. Reminds me of Babylon 5 from the 90s. Big budget sci fi TV shows will be the next big thing after Game of Thrones success.

The Big Budget part if they are studio based, and not independent or Pay-per-View, means they will all ultimately suffer the same problem, a lack of opportunity for product placement which fails to attract Free-to-Air interests. We already seen such fate in popular shows like Star Gate Universe, where they changed the plot to try and work a duality into the universe so they could show product.

Most major long running serials are heavily subsidized by the likes of Coca-Cola Amatil and Apple, even stuff like Breaking Bad had product-placement-a-plenty by the end. These corporations pay big dollars for space in high rating shows, the space is auctioned off to the highest bidder and if nobody buys in bizarre fakes products fill it instead.
Title: Re: The Last Kingdom
Post by: cookie2 on January 25, 2016, 07:30:21 pm
OK back on Netflix - will start with The Last Kingdom, then for Vikings!  :)
Title: Re: The Last Kingdom
Post by: jeza on January 25, 2016, 08:02:35 pm
Take a look at The Expanse. Reminds me of Babylon 5 from the 90s. Big budget sci fi TV shows will be the next big thing after Game of Thrones success.

Is GOT really sci fi?
Title: Re: The Last Kingdom
Post by: DJC on January 25, 2016, 08:37:32 pm
Is GOT really sci fi?

Fantasy.  I can't really see how it could lead to more sci fi.  Perhaps more big budget action dramas with huge casts and complicated, overlapping story lines  ;)
Title: Re: The Last Kingdom
Post by: Lods on January 26, 2016, 08:42:37 am
The thing about Game of Thrones/A Song of Ice and Fire is that its not so much the fantasy elements that appeal to folk.

It's the story line, the political dealings, relationships and the odd technique of Martin's of killing off popular characters just as you've become committed to them.*

Yep..There's dragons and witches and zombies but they're secondary to the main political theme.

A bit like Star Wars, it will be a hard act to follow.
People will try, but any copies will find it difficult to match the same level of popularity as the groundbreaking originals.

(*and of course the sex and nudity in the TV show)
Title: Re: The Last Kingdom
Post by: DJC on January 26, 2016, 10:52:25 am
The thing about Game of Thrones/A Song of Ice and Fire is that its not so much the fantasy elements that appeal to folk.

It's the story line, the political dealings, relationships and the odd technique of Martin's of killing off popular characters just as you've become committed to them.*

Yep..There's dragons and witches and zombies but they're secondary to the main political theme.

A bit like Star Wars, it will be a hard act to follow.
People will try, but any copies will find it difficult to match the same level of popularity as the groundbreaking originals.

(*and of course the sex and nudity in the TV show)

Another question is who is going to finish the series now that Martin has had enough?  I can't blame him though; he's getting on, he's got more money than he knows what to do with, and the complicated plot was doing his head in.

I was looking forward to reading the next book and now I'll have to hope that someone else can bring Martin's story to a close while maintaining his style of storytelling.

As for GoT setting a trend for future TV shows, I think it will be the formula rather than the genre that is followed; intrigue, power, conflict, families, violence, sex and nudity :)
Title: Re: The Last Kingdom
Post by: Lods on January 26, 2016, 11:10:58 am
Another question is who is going to finish the series now that Martin has had enough?  I can't blame him though; he's getting on, he's got more money than he knows what to do with, and the complicated plot was doing his head in.

I was looking forward to reading the next book and now I'll have to hope that someone else can bring Martin's story to a close while maintaining his style of storytelling.

As for GoT setting a trend for future TV shows, I think it will be the formula rather than the genre that is followed; intrigue, power, conflict, families, violence, sex and nudity :)

Where did you hear he wasn't going to finish the books?
As far as I've heard the Winds of Winter is due for release next year. ???
Title: Re: The Last Kingdom
Post by: DJC on January 26, 2016, 11:43:48 am
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AGEING multimillionaire George R R Martin has stopped writing the next Game of Thrones book while in the middle of a sentence.

Halfway through The Winds of Winter, Martin typed ’Tyrion looked darkly at’ when he suddenly realised he was already very rich and quite old.

He said: “I was a hundred thousand words into this thing where I’ve got armies in one continent, zombies in another, dragons burning things all over the place and numerous uninteresting sub-plots involving minor noblemen whose names I cannot currently recall. It is, by anyone’s reckoning, a screwing nightmare.

“I was looking at several more months of inhumanly hard graft and even then everyone is bound to slag it off as ‘unsatisfying’.

“Meanwhile it is a lovely day outside and I am an older man with more money than I can possibly ever spend.

“You tell me why I should finish this? It’s an honest question. Someone else can do it if they like, I’m cool with that.”
Title: Re: The Last Kingdom
Post by: Woodstock on January 26, 2016, 12:00:37 pm
Where did you hear he wasn't going to finish the books?
As far as I've heard the Winds of Winter is due for release next year. ???


Haha good one Lods  ;) He always says that and then disappoints. The idiot spends too much time at conventions and hanging out with his adoring fans. He owes his fans to lock himself away somewhere way up in the Rockies and just finish the bloody books. To the standard of the first 2. They were easily the best. Easily.

Alternative reading from my collection. If you like fantasy, Sci Fi of modern day apocalypse you probably read some of these.

Ravens Shadow Series - Anthony Ryan. Good fantasy.
Night Angel Trilogy - Brent Weeks. Gritty, bloody fantasy.
Shadow of the Apt Series - Adrian Tchaikovsky. Fantasy with a twist.
Dwarves Series - Markus Heitz. Gritty fantasy. Really enjoyed these. Still need to read the latest novel.
David Gemmel - Fantasy. Pretty much any of them. Waylander, Lion of Macedon, Prince of Darkness, Knights of Dark Renown, Druss the Legend books. Classics.
Conn Iggulden - Emperor and Conqueror Series. Think Caesar and Genghis Khan from birth till death series.
Afterlight - Alex Scarrow (apocalypse genre - modern day). Good, troubling read. One off.
Simon Scarrow - Roman Series. Good hack n slash Roman legion adventures.
James Barclay - Bloody Fantasy. All of them. Start with the Raven Series.
Sarah Ash - Tears of Artamon. Good fantasy series.
Kevin J Anderson - Saga of the seven Suns. Brilliant, brilliant Sci Fi. Think Star Wars.
Joe Abercrombie - The First Law Series. Excellent Bloody, crass fantasy. The bloody nine has to be one of the best characters ever.
Chris Bunch - Shadow Warrior, demon king, and Dragon Master Series. Good and tidy fantasy and sci fi.
Bill Bryson - Walk in the Woods, Notes from a big country
Terry Brooks - Shannara Series ( tv show just started!)
Brett Weeks - Demon War Series.
Ted Bell - Tsar. Modern day.
Peter V Brett - Demon War Series - eg. The Painted Man.
James Clavell - Shogun. Classic, nothing else needs to be said other than Japan medieval times and European culture clash. Ripping read.
David Eddings - all of them, but especially Sparhawk. Funny big world fantasy.
Michael Colbey - Humanity's Fire . Very Good sci fi.
Raymond E Feist - crucially Magician. One of the best fantasy novels imo. Also Kelewan Series with Mara of the Acoma. Awesome series if you liked the Riftwar and other Feist books in this world. Now there is a female lead who is fantastic.
From left field as well: Jeffrey Archer. Kane and Abel, The Fourth Estate, False Impressions, Not a penny more, not a penny less, a prisoner of birth, a matter of honour, first amongst equals, paths of glory.

If I had to recommend books/series as must reads if you're bored at the moment, then read a Prisoner at Birth and Paths of Glory by Archer, Shogun by James Clavell, Saga of the Seven Suns by Kevin J Anderson and Raymond Feist's Mistress/Daughter/Servant of the Empire Series - with the other Riftwar books prior - Magician is a must read. (Pug's origin book is sensational). Joe Abercrombie's books come a close second along with the Painted Man/Demon War books by Peter v Brett.

Enjoy

Title: Re: The Last Kingdom
Post by: Lods on January 26, 2016, 12:03:53 pm
I love his writing but yep....he's a goose

This is today.....

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Author George R.R. Martin has announced on his official blog that "The Winds of Winter," the sixth book in the 'Song of Ice and Fire" series of which "Game of Thrones" is based on, will not be out and on store shelves before season 6 of the show premieres this April. As a matter of fact, the book may be pushed to 2017.

"Believe me, it gave me no pleasure to type those words," the author explained. "You're disappointed, and you're not alone. My editors and publishers are disappointed, HBO is disappointed, my agents and foreign publishers and translators are disappointed... but no one could possibly be more disappointed than me."

His statements do confirm, however, that he is still busy working on the book and that it may see a release soon. However, fans now speculate that the book won't see a 2016 release given how much content the sixth book will contain and that it may be pushed as far as next year.


Title: Re: The Last Kingdom
Post by: LP on January 26, 2016, 01:54:31 pm

Haha good one Lods  ;) He always says that and then disappoints. The idiot spends too much time at conventions and hanging out with his adoring fans. He owes his fans to lock himself away somewhere way up in the Rockies and just finish the bloody books. To the standard of the first 2. They were easily the best. Easily.

He owes fans nothing.

If he's lost the interest it's lost, nothing will get it back, and whipping him into submission won't deliver a result either!
Title: Re: The Last Kingdom
Post by: cookie2 on January 26, 2016, 02:32:04 pm
 :))

What a drag having all those fans.............they're never happy!
Title: Re: The Last Kingdom
Post by: Woodstock on January 26, 2016, 02:52:45 pm
He owes fans nothing.

If he's lost the interest it's lost nothing will get it back, and whipping him into submission won't deliver a result either!

He owes fans nothing? bollocks he doesn't.

The fans are the reason he is still writing at all and probably still alive looking at the state of him. The fans are the reason he has had all the fame and money he has enjoyed. Yes it's down to talent, but he is where he is because fans have stayed loyal to him for decades while he keeps dragging his heels saying sorry sorry (excuses) time and time again. So yes, either say that you will stop and hand it over to someone who will add back some spice into the series or commit yourself like any other professional, lock yourself away, stay away from blogs, seminars and fandom and use your talents. Piss poor excuse really. If he is that tired, take off six months and energise yourself going through a bucket list. Or retire and hand over the reigns.
Title: Re: The Last Kingdom
Post by: LP on January 26, 2016, 03:03:40 pm
He owes fans nothing? bollocks he doesn't.

The fans are the reason he is still writing at all and probably still alive looking at the state of him. The fans are the reason he has had all the fame and money he has enjoyed. Yes it's down to talent, but he is where he is because fans have stayed loyal to him for decades while he keeps dragging his heels saying sorry sorry (excuses) time and time again. So yes, either say that you will stop and hand it over to someone who will add back some spice into the series or commit yourself like any other professional, lock yourself away, stay away from blogs, seminars and fandom and use your talents. Piss poor excuse really. If he is that tired, take off six months and energise yourself going through a bucket list. Or retire and hand over the reigns.

That would be analogous to Hawthorn fans complaining that Clarkson owes them another premiership!

If the fans love their work so much, they should give up pestering and resume the idolatry, both may have peaked!
Title: Re: The Last Kingdom
Post by: PassIt2Carrots on January 26, 2016, 04:07:58 pm
Well this thread escalated quickly. :P
Title: Re: The Last Kingdom
Post by: Woodstock on January 26, 2016, 09:00:17 pm
Well this thread escalated quickly. :P

He he. It's too easy to wind him up. He's entitled to his opinion like everyone else..even when he's wrong  >:D
Title: Re: The Last Kingdom
Post by: cookie2 on January 26, 2016, 09:31:46 pm
Just watched Ep 1 of The Last Kingdom. So far so good!
Title: Re: The Last Kingdom
Post by: DJC on January 26, 2016, 10:11:38 pm
Well this thread escalated quickly. :P

As Uhtred of Bebbanburg said in the Pagan Lord:

“The art of war,” I told him, “is to make the enemy do your bidding.”