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Social Club => Blah-Blah Bar => Topic started by: LP on April 16, 2019, 08:11:25 am

Title: Notre-Dame
Post by: LP on April 16, 2019, 08:11:25 am
FMD, survived 700 years, then killed by 21st century cost cutting bureaucracy!

(https://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/intelligencer/2019/04/15/15-notre-dame-fire-3.w1200.h1200.jpg)

I wonder how many brown envelopes passed under the table for those contracts!

Do like the revolution, bring out old choppy!
Title: Re: Notre-Dame
Post by: Lods on April 16, 2019, 08:27:32 am
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Has anyone seen this bloke. Is he OK?

Title: Re: Notre-Dame
Post by: cookie2 on April 16, 2019, 02:18:32 pm
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Has anyone seen this bloke. Is he OK?

"The bells, the bells!"
Title: Re: Notre-Dame
Post by: LP on April 16, 2019, 02:38:40 pm
ProfE is very quiet on this matter, I'd have thought for him the bells would toll!
Title: Re: Notre-Dame
Post by: flyboy77 on April 16, 2019, 03:47:23 pm
I see a French $$$$ guy, who's married to Salma Hayek (always a favourite  ;D ), has pledged EUR 100 million to the rebuild.

Maybe it was a stunt by the French government to boost the economy!
Title: Re: Notre-Dame
Post by: LP on April 16, 2019, 03:59:20 pm
I see a French $$$$ guy, who's married to Salma Hayek (always a favourite  ;D ), has pledged EUR 100 million to the rebuild.

Maybe it was a stunt by the French government to boost the economy!

Very generous, I wonder how long it will take, I suspect he'll be dead before that is ever completed!

Knowing the French bureaucracy it'll probably be 10 years before they even start!
Title: Re: Notre-Dame
Post by: Professer E on April 16, 2019, 09:13:31 pm
I married a French girl so yeah,  it's been a sombre day at home.

When I saw the steeple collapse it reminded me of the plane flying into the WTC.  It was a shocking image.  To see something that has been there seemingly forever come down it's difficult to comprehend.

When you think of Paris there are many building that are cultural icons,  but for many French people of faith the cathedral really epitomised old Paris,  more so than the glamourous landmarks.

Hope all the ER people are OK,  looked a bad fire.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame
Post by: flyboy77 on April 16, 2019, 09:17:02 pm
Very generous, I wonder how long it will take, I suspect he'll be dead before that is ever completed!

Knowing the French bureaucracy it'll probably be 10 years before they even start!

Some other equally (or more) rich French dude has now added EUR 200m to the total.....should be fixed before Christmas?  ;)

A truly sad day in French history, but they'll get the rebuild done.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame
Post by: Jack Burton on April 17, 2019, 06:50:57 pm
I was really saddened by this. I'm not religious, but I love Paris, have been there many times and lived there for a few months a couple of years ago. Notre Dame is one of the most beautiful buildings I've ever been in, and so rich in symbolism and history. Yes they'll rebuild it, but will it be the same?
Title: Re: Notre-Dame
Post by: Professer E on April 18, 2019, 08:52:57 am
Knowing the French and modern architects,  they'll probably replace it with something like a stylised crystal "tree of life" or an ankh or rainbow unicorn or something else wildly inappropriate that will, in a bizarre manner, work like the pyramid in front of the Louvre.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame
Post by: LP on April 18, 2019, 10:00:42 am
Knowing the French and modern architects,  they'll probably replace it with something like a stylised crystal "tree of life" or an ankh or rainbow unicorn or something else wildly inappropriate that will, in a bizarre manner, work like the pyramid in front of the Louvre.

My tip is an anti-glass pyramid, otherwise known as a black pit of despair!
Title: Re: Notre-Dame
Post by: flyboy77 on April 18, 2019, 10:03:08 am
Unfortunately the Vatican has spent its yearly budget on defending Georgie P. and his ilk....
Title: Re: Notre-Dame
Post by: cookie2 on April 18, 2019, 10:04:28 am
Knowing the French and modern architects,  they'll probably replace it with something like a stylised crystal "tree of life" or an ankh or rainbow unicorn or something else wildly inappropriate that will, in a bizarre manner, work like the pyramid in front of the Louvre.

Let's just hope that this beautiful and important piece of European history is not lost. Vivre la France!
Title: Re: Notre-Dame
Post by: LP on April 18, 2019, 10:06:00 am
Unfortunately the Vatican has spent its yearly budget on defending Georgie P. and his ilk....

There is some irony in the Catholic Church needing donations, and calling for volunteers, to help fund the rebuild.

Like the organization that is richer than some countries is short of cash! :o
Title: Re: Notre-Dame
Post by: flyboy77 on April 18, 2019, 10:09:23 am
There is some irony in the Catholic Church needing donations, and calling for volunteers, to help fund the rebuild.

Like the organization that is richer than some countries is short of cash! :o

They'll just pump up the tithe from 10% to 20% for 6 months.....
Title: Re: Notre-Dame
Post by: LP on April 18, 2019, 10:11:29 am
They'll just pump up the tithe from 10% to 20% for 6 months.....

I think too much interest in tithes has been a problem for a long time! ;D
Title: Re: Notre-Dame
Post by: dodge on April 18, 2019, 01:39:19 pm
It is an interesting position.  The French Government owns Notre Dame, not the Catholic Church.  The works and church are insured - although would need to see the outcome of the Insurance process.  $1b to renovate a church?  Seems like a lot.  I would imagine there will be caveats on the donations (the big ones).

It was/is an amazing building.  It will also be interesting to see if they rebuild to what it was, or build something modern instead.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame
Post by: flyboy77 on April 19, 2019, 08:12:17 am
It is an interesting position.  The French Government owns Notre Dame, not the Catholic Church.  The works and church are insured - although would need to see the outcome of the Insurance process.  $1b to renovate a church?  Seems like a lot.  I would imagine there will be caveats on the donations (the big ones).

It was/is an amazing building.  It will also be interesting to see if they rebuild to what it was, or build something modern instead.

Hardly relevant in answering how much has the Vatican chipped in....
Title: Re: Notre-Dame
Post by: DJC on April 19, 2019, 08:19:36 am
It is an interesting position.  The French Government owns Notre Dame, not the Catholic Church.  The works and church are insured - although would need to see the outcome of the Insurance process.  $1b to renovate a church?  Seems like a lot.  I would imagine there will be caveats on the donations (the big ones).

It was/is an amazing building.  It will also be interesting to see if they rebuild to what it was, or build something modern instead.

I heard an architect talking about repairing historical cathedrals after war damage, fire, etc and the examples he mentioned used modern/different materials to achieve a similar appearance.  He thought that it would be crazy to rebuild with timber. 

Title: Re: Notre-Dame
Post by: dodge on April 19, 2019, 08:40:03 am
Quite relevant,  Fly.  If it is insured properly no one needs to put in a (Euro) cent.

If it isn't insured,  sure, let them chip in like everyone else.  Would  the amount need to be publicised? If so why?
Title: Re: Notre-Dame
Post by: cookie2 on April 19, 2019, 08:57:56 am
Watching a report yesterday and it was saying that the some of the secrets of how the structure was really built are revealed for the first time and the rebuild will need careful consideration as to how modern techniques may be incorporated.
Title: Re: Notre-Dame
Post by: Lods on April 19, 2019, 10:00:03 am
Watching a report yesterday and it was saying that the some of the secrets of how the structure was really built are revealed for the first time and the rebuild will need careful consideration as to how modern techniques may be incorporated.

Are we still talking about Notre Dame or the Carlton Football Club ;D
Title: Re: Notre-Dame
Post by: cookie2 on April 19, 2019, 10:36:32 am
Are we still talking about Notre Dame or the Carlton Football Club ;D

 :))

Take your pick!
Title: Re: Notre-Dame
Post by: DJC on April 19, 2019, 12:00:46 pm
It seems that the cause of the fire isn't as clear cut as was first thought:

(https://i.postimg.cc/G9wT2VxB/IMG-0267.jpg)

Too soon?

I don't think so  :)