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Quote from: Lods on April 25, 2014, 11:21:27 am

Quote from: kruddler on April 25, 2014, 10:43:46 am

At the same time, how many disciplinary acts can you recall Ratten dishing out? SFA by my count.

I'm not sure how you can know that Kruds?
Do you know that for sure?

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The only players that have question marks over how they were treated under Ratten could clearly be put down to a dose of sour grapes after realising their careers were essentially over.

....and wouldn't  the Laidler situation pretty much parallel the  Thornton, Russell, Bower ones. The Russell one at least.

1. You can tell that by the ins and outs as much as anything Lods. How many times was Waite dropped under Ratts? Waite has a history of doing dumb things (especially against Richmond) and certainly isn't known for his consistency. Mick dropped him, forced him to play in the 2's. Did Ratts ever do that? I honestly can't recall Ratts dropping anyone that was clearly best 22 (as Waite is/was).

2. Yes, Laidler is the same, but you're missing the point i believe. The ONLY players Ratten 'treated badly' are players whose career was over. So sure, they might have cracked it with Ratts, but what has followed shows Ratts was right and their inability to accept that is why there is/was a rift between player and coach.

As for Laidler, same could be said for him, if his career turns out to be over. However, i reckon he probably still has a little bit of footy in him. Even so, that just goes back to what i said earlier, i expect to lose the odd player because 'Mick was too harsh' in what he demanded. So if Laidler is the only player, bonus.

We were always known as a pack of front runners, down hill skiers, flat track bullies who couldn't match it with the top sides. We had our moments and close calls, but we never really made it into the top echelon. Mainly, IMO because we were not disciplined enough to do the hard running...and that means both ways. If Mick is to turn that mentality around, i expect there to be a few casualties along the way. Someone like Gibbs for instance who looks good with time, space and a nice haircut, often goes missing in the engine room when the heat is on. I expect Micks style to make him look elsewhere and test FA. Which is fine, we want committed players. Some, i have my doubts over, Gibbs is one. Yarran, despite being one of my favourites, was always one i had question marks on. To his credit though he has really taken it up a level this year, i'm impressed.

Hardly inexperienced compared to Voss or Hird, both who coached zero actual games before being appointed coaches!

Are you letting your bias colour the facts?

Warnock was actually around 10m out e should have won that game.

Quote from: PassIt2Carrots on April 26, 2014, 10:42:35 pm

Warnock was actually around 10m out e should have won that game.

IIRC, that was the game he copped a heavy whack on the scone. Nevertheless, that kick was beyond terrible. Wonder if the boys give him a gentle reminder from time to time.

It's true the Cats player (I think it may have been Corey) realised he could get nowhere near the ball to spoil so just whacked him in the face. Warnock being the big dufuss he is wanted to play hero and take the kick. Betts was next in line, he would've eaten that shot for breakfast.

Quote from: PassIt2Carrots on April 26, 2014, 10:42:35 pm

Warnock was actually around 10m out e should have won that game.

IIRC, that was the game he copped a heavy whack on the scone. Nevertheless, that kick was beyond terrible. .

Quote from: PaulP on April 26, 2014, 11:02:25 pm

Quote from: PassIt2Carrots on April 26, 2014, 10:42:35 pm

Warnock was actually around 10m out e should have won that game.

IIRC, that was the game he copped a heavy whack on the scone. Nevertheless, that kick was beyond terrible. .

Recent evidence suggests the whack to the head probably had little to do with the miss.

Interesting Andrew Walker said on SEN this morning that after the Melbourne game they all got together and agreed they play their best football when they take the game on and vowed to do so from now on. So there is the change I guess.