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Re: Will it stand up?

Reply #135 –
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Quote from: PassIt2Carrots on
Interesting Andrew Walker said on SEN this morning that after the Melbourne game they all got together and agreed they play their best football when they take the game on and vowed to do so from now on. So there is the change I guess.

Thats not a change in the game plan, that is a change in the execution of it. Which is essentially the players pulling their fingers out and having a go.

Mick never said, take it slow. The players were low on confidence and didn't want to make mistakes, so they didn't take any risks and tried playing it safe.

The moment they got on the same page and ran to make position, the easier it got for them to take the game on.

Why would they think like that in the first place?  ;)

"The beatings will contiue until morale improves"

Unknown
Excuses year 1, blame year 2, contract extention year 3........

Re: Will it stand up?

Reply #136 –
Quote from: Goat on
Quote from: kruddler on
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Interesting Andrew Walker said on SEN this morning that after the Melbourne game they all got together and agreed they play their best football when they take the game on and vowed to do so from now on. So there is the change I guess.

Thats not a change in the game plan, that is a change in the execution of it. Which is essentially the players pulling their fingers out and having a go.

Mick never said, take it slow. The players were low on confidence and didn't want to make mistakes, so they didn't take any risks and tried playing it safe.

The moment they got on the same page and ran to make position, the easier it got for them to take the game on.

Why would they think like that in the first place?  ;)

"The beatings will contiue until morale improves"

Unknown

22 players having surgery and limited pre-season as a result may have had something to do with it. All it takes is 1 loss and things start heading downhill. An embarrassing 1.8 in the last against the tigers compounded the problem.

Re: Will it stand up?

Reply #137 –
Quote from: PassIt2Carrots on
You don't know what Mick said. From my perspective he was holding them back, he gave them some leeway and look at the results. Well done to Mick.

Ironic really, that i usually take the side which defends Mick, now you are pumping him up and i disagree.

My opinion is that the players were lacking previously. As just mentioned, low on confidence, and low on fitness together with some embarrassing efforts really put them under the pump.

They suffered and copped many a whack from the media and didn't like it. They took it upon themselves to pull their finger out and put in.

Same thing happened under Pagan. We'd lose by 10+ goals, Pagan would throw his hands up the air and say i don't know what to do so this week the players are in charge of their own preperation etc....they'd win. Made Pagan look like a fool on one hand because he steps back, and the players win. On the other hand, he produced the win BY stepping back. Problem he had was that it usually only worked for one week.

Reason for that is, under Pagan, the players had little respect for him. Under Mick, they give him more respect, they've just been through a rough patch, rather than rough years.

Re: Will it stand up?

Reply #138 –
Quote from: kruddler on
Quote from: Goat on
Quote from: kruddler on
Quote from: PassIt2Carrots on
Interesting Andrew Walker said on SEN this morning that after the Melbourne game they all got together and agreed they play their best football when they take the game on and vowed to do so from now on. So there is the change I guess.

Thats not a change in the game plan, that is a change in the execution of it. Which is essentially the players pulling their fingers out and having a go.

Mick never said, take it slow. The players were low on confidence and didn't want to make mistakes, so they didn't take any risks and tried playing it safe.

The moment they got on the same page and ran to make position, the easier it got for them to take the game on.

Why would they think like that in the first place?  ;)

"The beatings will contiue until morale improves"

Unknown

22 players having surgery and limited pre-season as a result may have had something to do with it. All it takes is 1 loss and things start heading downhill. An embarrassing 1.8 in the last against the tigers compounded the problem.

22 players had surgery - you still believe that  :-\
Excuses year 1, blame year 2, contract extention year 3........

Re: Will it stand up?

Reply #140 –
Quote from: Goat on
Quote from: kruddler on
Quote from: Goat on
Quote from: kruddler on
Quote from: PassIt2Carrots on
Interesting Andrew Walker said on SEN this morning that after the Melbourne game they all got together and agreed they play their best football when they take the game on and vowed to do so from now on. So there is the change I guess.

Thats not a change in the game plan, that is a change in the execution of it. Which is essentially the players pulling their fingers out and having a go.

Mick never said, take it slow. The players were low on confidence and didn't want to make mistakes, so they didn't take any risks and tried playing it safe.

The moment they got on the same page and ran to make position, the easier it got for them to take the game on.

Why would they think like that in the first place?  ;)

"The beatings will contiue until morale improves"

Unknown

22 players having surgery and limited pre-season as a result may have had something to do with it. All it takes is 1 loss and things start heading downhill. An embarrassing 1.8 in the last against the tigers compounded the problem.

22 players had surgery - you still believe that  :-\

The question is why is it that you do not.
It has been reported by everyone in the media, both in print and on tv. Including backed up by our president.

Sure Mick said something like there was only 6....i believe he was talking about players who played that game he was questioned about.

Re: Will it stand up?

Reply #141 –
Is 22 players a lot? If they are back in training before Xmas does it matter?

The number alone tells us nothing.

Re: Will it stand up?

Reply #142 –
Quote from: ItsOurTime on
Is 22 players a lot? If they are back in training before Xmas does it matter?

The number alone tells us nothing.

Yes it's a lot, it's a whole team who have an interrupted preseason.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

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Reply #143 –
Quote from: madbluboy on
Quote from: ItsOurTime on
Is 22 players a lot? If they are back in training before Xmas does it matter?

The number alone tells us nothing.

Yes it's a lot, it's a whole team who have an interrupted preseason.

What do other teams have? What have we and others had in the past?  How long were the players out and when?

Re: Will it stand up?

Reply #144 –
Quote from: ItsOurTime on
Is 22 players a lot? If they are back in training before Xmas does it matter?

The number alone tells us nothing.
It's a huge amount, when you refer to MINOR surgery, of ingrown toe nail, laser hair removal,  :P
Excuses year 1, blame year 2, contract extention year 3........

Re: Will it stand up?

Reply #145 –
Quote from: Goat on
Quote from: ItsOurTime on
Is 22 players a lot? If they are back in training before Xmas does it matter?

The number alone tells us nothing.
It's a huge amount, when you refer to MINOR surgery, of ingrown toe nail, laser hair removal,  :P

You guys would still argue even if you were presented with each player's medical record.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: Will it stand up?

Reply #146 –
Quote from: madbluboy on
Quote from: Goat on
Quote from: ItsOurTime on
Is 22 players a lot? If they are back in training before Xmas does it matter?

The number alone tells us nothing.
It's a huge amount, when you refer to MINOR surgery, of ingrown toe nail, laser hair removal,  :P

You guys would still argue even if you were presented with each player's medical record.

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2013-11-12/blues-heading-back-to-flagstaff. 34 players fit and ready for Flagstaff

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2013-11-18/blues-hit-the-track 16 1-4 year players ready for preseason

So all the post season surgery which causes interruptions to preseason must be >4 year players.

Can understand your faith but we are not all that naive to believe what the club says verbatim.  It's not like they don't history.


Excuses year 1, blame year 2, contract extention year 3........

Re: Will it stand up?

Reply #147 –
20+ players had surgery, what's so hard to understand?
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: Will it stand up?

Reply #149 –
Quote from: Goat on
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2013-11-12/blues-heading-back-to-flagstaff. 34 players fit and ready for Flagstaff

We have a list of 45 players, so if that is true, 11 players were not 'fit and ready'. So immediately that shows almost double the amount that Mick said in an interview which you hold as gospel.

So the only bit of 'evidence' you have has been disproven.

Does it take into account the players that DID have surgery but came along as well? What about players that may have had surgery AFTER that trip?

17, 22, 45 players...whatever. We have had more players than the norm have surgery in the off-season. Fact.