Carlton Supporters Club

The main part of our ladder position that can be attributed to Kreuzer are the wins!

He's 75 now. Not sure I want a politician that old, however much I like him. Yes I know its ageist.

He's had ruck rotations at stoppages in every game I watched in the last few weeks, only limited center bounce stuff in the last two weeks. But enough stoppage ruck to see the benefits he brings.

If he brings that level of effort, he is more than useful whether it be ten times a game or fifty!

If Phillips is rucking Kreuzer should rotate with Cripps, they are equally good at ground level.

Phillips was better, but last weekend was the first he's actually held some marks. Prior to that he was very ordinary, I think he is dead lucky that Jones got injured! Jones has been losing the taps but winning the clearances.

It's not the 50 taps a ruckmen gets that matters, it's what the midfielders do with them that counts!

I can't believe we keep having this debate, especially given we finally cleared our list of Warnock are we saying we were better off with him than Kreuzer, no way!

I think our big problem remains Casboult, a lot of attention on Kreuzer relative to Sandilands just lets 200cm Casboult's awful game last weekend slip through the cracks. It takes a special talent to kick 2 goals and still have a negative impact! Casboult is like an illicit drug, addictive for all the wrong reasons. At 27 I'm well and truly over the "Gee, if only he could.....!", yet I just know if he leaves he'll come good!

Jee, my memory must be horrible these days....I could have sworn i saw Phillips take a few good strong marks forward last year & kick the goals.....same as he did in the Northern game last weekend.

but I must have been mistaken.

How is Sumner even in contention?? Polson should be considered ahead of him.

Hmm. I reckon we need 3 more good mids irrespective of how we play. And whilst we're shopping :

- 3 mids (as you suggest) - 1 to be like Cripps, and 2 Dylan Shiel types,
- 1 KPF
- 2 small forwards - like Puopolo, who can kick a goal, has pace, and can lock the ball in F50, something which has completely eluded us thus far.

AA squad pace? " tell him he's dreaming"

Pole still has some way to go to be in that sort of thinking. Slow start to the year where he was just going.played a good patch against, Essendon, Collingwood and perhaps the saints. A

Easily Williamson this week for poise and his movement through traffic.

I don't know what the opposite of a green shoot is but this week it was Plowman.

I suppose so. Freo may not be world beaters, but they have developed into a gutsy, scrapping team. We are not exactly formidable opposition, but their ability to fight back and graft out some close victories would have to instill some kind of confidence.

I understand where Bolts is coming from to a degree - limiting the blow outs limits the "damage" to the players, but gives less opportunities to win, versus win at all costs by playing the in vogue game style, which may give more chances of victory, but also more spankings. He does at least have a plan that he's sticking to. But i still worry. Losing culture is hard to break. The longer we lose more than we win, the longer it takes to get up off the canvas. I'm not sure that the movement up the ladder is linear and simplistic. There's still enormous amounts of work to do, and lots of decisions that need we need to get right. And some luck, and the umps, and.............

One could also use the argument that playing like this betrays the coach's lack of confidence in his players, which may hurt them than it helps. Lots of ifs, buts and maybes.